I'm done with buying clips.

[SoleMates]

If the model doesn't want to show face then I would pay them significantly less than if they did show face.

Works for me. Cheaper models = greater profit margin.

Tickling a model topless, or with a forced orgasm sells. That's why companies do it. The companies who do do it could care less of the small percent of people who don't like it, at the end of the day, they'll still make money.

True, but at the same time if every clip looks the same then there's really no point in having a bunch of different vendors, is there? There's no way to stand out from the pack when everyone's videos look the same.

 

[Aboundtime]

Works for me. Cheaper models = greater profit margin.

Doesn't necessarily translates to sales though. I could pay $50 for a girl to not show her face, but if the clip doesn't sell then $50 is wasted. It's a huge gamble.

True, but at the same time if every clip looks the same then there's really no point in having a bunch of different vendors, is there? There's no way to stand out from the pack when everyone's videos look the same.

Why do you think I shy away from it? I want to get to the top without having to go the cheap route of forced orgasms. May our dues SoleMates.

 

[C.A.B.]

It may pass the time to roll a joint, crack a beer, throw on a clip and jerk.

Multitasking is an art-form.

 

[SoleMates]

Doesn't necessarily translates to sales though. I could pay $50 for a girl to not show her face, but if the clip doesn't sell then $50 is wasted. It's a huge gamble.

True. Admittedly I'm still new enough that I'm gathering data on what my customers like. So far my top sellers are interviews and tickling. I didn't expect the interviews to sell at all, but there you go.

Why do you think I shy away from it? I want to get to the top without having to go the cheap route of forced orgasms. May our dues SoleMates.

Right on.

 

[PiedPiper]

Multitasking is an art-form.

LOL. So's cooking, but I'd rather make a great dinner than watch Emeril. Glad someone got something from that post, though,.... heh heh.

 

[ScorpionKing]

Ok, first and foremost, I am a foot guy, I could care less about upper body tickling, I just skip through it when I watch clips, same thing when the lee is wearing nylons (yes sorry guys, bot a nylon fan either) but it's the same thing every video now and it's getting really boring. and every producer is guilty of one or more of these reasons now. They have really nice models, then they tickle nice. Feet are beautiful, then comes the oil. then when the oil dries up, more oil comes, and repeat. Then we have licking feet, out of left field. Then some clips, we have male lers that don't shut the hell up. But it's come to a point now where it feels like oil and licking is mandatory. I already made a thread about what we're tired of seeing in tickling videos, but now i'm just out right done. I really have not seen a video in months that is straight up, no oil, no male ler talking, no licking, barefoot tickling. I used to have alot of favorite producers like tickle abuse, tickle torture in boston (my heartfelt condolences about what happened there) and quite a few others, and they all use oil and or lick the feet in EVERY clip. I mean is it really that good? Is it really that necessary? It's used so much that i'm surprised that there is no video about a girl's feet stocked and tickled in a glass container of oil. Like I said, i'm done with buying clips.

I'm surprised you didnt say anything about hairbrushes being used in videos and how the lers use the brush like they are trying to get spilled kool-aid off the carpet. I dont mind the oil but I agree the licking can be too much at times. You ever tried czech tickled feet or tickle intensive? They may have what you like.

I'll never understand you feet only people.

we dont care if you do. I've been a member here for years now and it seems like admitting you're a feet only guy will only draw criticism.

 

[Bdsmtickler]

Okay,... I'm sort of morbidly (and cynically) curious about some of the sentiments being expressed in this thread. Why?

I recall an old episode of the TV show MASH,.. in which Boston Brahmin Major Winchester inquires of B. J. Hunnicutt,.... "Why does Pierce have this preoccupation with sex?" To which B. J. replies, "Lack of occupation with sex."

Now I'm not complaining about clips serving as a substitute for that "lack of occupation," with your favorite pastime,.. Hell, I've done it, too, during times of deprivation. But I have yet to view a clip which truly took the place of actual experience,... and further, I just don't feel that actual experience is that tough to arrange. In fact, watching a clip always left the bitter under taste of deprivation,.. a rotten reminder that circumstances were unacceptable. Somehow I could hear a doddering Charles Boyer doing, "Pardon me, Miss, but I've never done this with a real, live girl."

Is that how it is? Because IF that's how it is, then it would be wise to consider the possibility that those free-flowing clips are also a de-motivating factor. It may pass the time to roll a joint, crack a beer, throw on a clip and jerk. But if that's just making it more bearable for you NOT to have the life you want, then maybe it's time to review. I've worked my butt off at this and it has definitely been worth it,.. however I have always aimed for the lasting relationship. Shallow and piecemeal is a hard way to go.

Just a thought. Nobody needs to tell me I'm an asshole - I'm already aware of that. But for God's sake, don't let this pass you by.

I agree with your comments on clips as substitution, but i dont see how the remarks in this thread lead you to think that whatching clips (or photos, or read stories) etc actualy IS substitutuion for the feal thing.

Many people with a fetish like to pratice or cuktivate their fetish in many ways, in addition to practising it. The fact tbat you are on this forum, seem to suggest that you too like to do tickle related stuff other than actual tickling. Unless ofcourse your only aim is to provoke someone to call you asshole, in which case you are the one who needs to review.

And some of us like to sometime watch clips, and enjoy to discuss at great length our tastes (which, i beleive, also reflects our taste in actual tickling). I dont see how that would make you jump to the conclusion that clip watching is done as substituion.

 

[PiedPiper]

I agree with your comments on clips as substitution, but i dont see how the remarks in this thread lead you to think that whatching clips (or photos, or read stories) etc actualy IS substitutuion for the feal thing.

Many people with a fetish like to pratice or cuktivate their fetish in many ways, in addition to practising it. The fact tbat you are on this forum, seem to suggest that you too like to do tickle related stuff other than actual tickling. Unless ofcourse your only aim is to provoke someone to call you asshole, in which case you are the one who needs to review.

And some of us like to sometime watch clips, and enjoy to discuss at great length our tastes (which, i beleive, also reflects our taste in actual tickling). I dont see how that would make you jump to the conclusion that clip watching is done as substituion.

Bravely spoken, and I accept the rebuke. I enjoy a good vid, too,... but there are far too few of them which address my own tastes in this fetish. And it isn't just the remarks in this thread,... it's remarks I've been reading for well over ten years. And yes, I've been cultivating my interest in this stuff for more than thirty years. I've written movies, done photo-shoots, magazine articles, interviews and a bunch of short stories, and my personal involvement with my companions hasn't been too shabby....... which is to say that I have not been passive about it. When I'm watching a clip,... unless it is truly exceptional, then I'm thinking about how I would have done it, instead. But the chances are slim that I would even be watching it when I had a beautiful and willing accomplice right there finishing up dessert and asking for another glass of wine.

My post was not meant as a criticism, but as an encouragement for folks to take a little more active hand in how they cope with this whole business. Watching clips isn't "always" a substitute for the real thing,.. but it would be naive of you to suggest that the substitute angle does not exist prominently in the clips business.

 

[TicklesXXX]

Disagree, licking is very nice! Keep the licking!

 

[SoleMates]

My post was not meant as a criticism, but as an encouragement for folks to take a little more active hand in how they cope with this whole business. Watching clips isn't "always" a substitute for the real thing,.. but it would be naive of you to suggest that the substitute angle does not exist prominently in the clips business.

I think people vastly overestimate how easy it is to find someone, especially if they themselves don't seem to have much problem with it. Fact is, you can be a perfectly normal, decent person and still have trouble meeting partners. Sure, some of the folks in question are socially retarded but that's not always the case. So yes, videos are probably being used as a substitute because in a lot of cases it's someone's only option.

 

[PiedPiper]

I think people vastly overestimate how easy it is to find someone, especially if they themselves don't seem to have much problem with it. Fact is, you can be a perfectly normal, decent person and still have trouble meeting partners. Sure, some of the folks in question are socially retarded but that's not always the case. So yes, videos are probably being used as a substitute because in a lot of cases it's someone's only option.

This is a fair assessment,.. thoughtfully written, and I appreciate it. The only part I'd prefer not to accept is the part about my "vastly overestimating" the logistics of "finding someone." I do, however, accept your admonition that perfectly decent, normal people can have a problem with it. But that is a problem which can be dealt with, unless you're Quasimodo...... It's all in having an improved view of the situation,... and a plan.

#1 - If you're sitting at home with no one in your life,... watching TK vids,.. then you cannot really say that you are addressing the problem. Maybe the symptom,... but I'm not so sure of that, either.

#2 - If you're hitting the clubs and singles bars, exclusively looking for someone you can take home and tickle,... that night,... then you have ensured your long term failure. Just relying on the prevailing gender stuff going on here,... any guy doing that deserves to fail. You have to have a "whole" life going on,.... grocery store, volunteer organizations, the library, cocktail parties,... maybe even politics. And you have to meet women unselfishly,.. show some goddamned patience,.. let some time go by...do something nice for them before you go for the hoop. You mentioned social retardation. Well the hallmarks of that may include poor breeding,... but selfishness, impatience and lack of long term vision play a larger part.

You know something? You would be profoundly astonished at how much I have been able to experience in this fetish business,.... just because I always had a good job.

 

[ticklebrowse26]

PiedPiper... how about throwing the people a bone and writing us another story? They're fantastic.

 

[SoleMates]

You have to have a "whole" life going on,.... grocery store, volunteer organizations, the library, cocktail parties,... maybe even politics. And you have to meet women unselfishly,.. show some goddamned patience,.. let some time go by...do something nice for them before you go for the hoop.

It's possible to do all of this and still fail, TBH. I guess that's a bit rarer than the social retards shooting themselves in the foot, but it still happens. I suppose I just bristle at such pat answers as the situation is usually a lot more complex than most people like to give it credit for. It's just easier to assume the guy in question is an idiot and leave it at that.

You're right, though; sitting at home with your dick in your hands whacking off to tickle porn isn't going to magically find you a girl. Then again, neither is not doing that. You stand a better chance of it happening if you don't, but still.

 

[Bdsmtickler]

But the chances are slim that I would even be watching it when I had a beautiful and willing accomplice right there finishing up dessert and asking for another glass of wine.

Good one! Agree, chances would be very slim indeed!

My post was not meant as a criticism, but as an encouragement for folks to take a little more active hand in how they cope with this whole business. Watching clips isn't "always" a substitute for the real thing,.. but it would be naive of you to suggest that the substitute angle does not exist prominently in the clips business.

It would indeed, and I admit I downplayed that side for rhetorical reasons ;-) I too have had periods where too few people was involved in my sex life. It's a vicious circle, because you become more and more withdrawn and thus lowering your chances to appeal to anybody. Once you break out, or even make an honest effort to do so, it is surprising how many women starts smiling at you. Must be some sixth sense they have! And an honest, and accomplishable, effort could be to give the harddrive a rest.

 

[PiedPiper]

PiedPiper... how about throwing the people a bone and writing us another story? They're fantastic.

Thank you, ticklebrowse,....... I'm actually working on it. The "down spell" concerned some personal changes and challenges. Lost focus,.... But look for something in a week or so.

And to SoleMates and BDSMtickler,....... this has been a great exchange. I hope somebody notices. Thank you, both.

 

[socalpunkrock]

Personally I feel the EXACT opposite. From first hand experience I see why using a brush and lubricant such as oil is incredibly effective, as is other methods all to varying degrees. Simply knowing how effective the other methods can be is a HUGE selling point for me. Although I wouldn't refuse to buy or view just because a trend might come up where they aren't using alternative methods and tools.

Obviously stuff is being used for a reason, in this case it's likely a combo of realism(those tools are usually more effective than fingers alone, whether you prefer it or not) and also popularity. For example, Tommy from tickle abuse has said before that m/m is simply in much higher demand for him and he sells a lot of it. I'm not into m/m at all, and I actually love f/m, and a lot of vocal people feel the same way. But he's the one looking at the numbers, not me. I'm sure the use of oil, or tools, or whatever is also dictated by those trends.

I think it's easy for us on the outside to forget that some of our opinions might be in the minority, even when they are echoed by a few or several like minded people.

Just my two cents, I have my reservations about certain things too that I see in videos.

 

[ElFewja]

Well, since Tommy was brought up, I think he does a nice job of cultivating to all audiences. Czech and UK as well, actually.

Yeah, a lot of Tommy's clips have the brush and oil but it's not the entire clip, usually. But I guess people who don't want it don't want to pay x for what they value as half of x's worth.

As a counter to pied:

For those of us that would potentially be in the 2 category, just looking for a woman as an object with which to fulfill our desires... I'd actually rather just watch clips. Like, it's not right for me to take advantage of someone, just start dating them or whatever, because I want to tickle them and that's about it. I get that. I'm not against a meaningful relationship by any means but it's just not my cup of tea, and even if a large amount of people -- both men and women -- just use each other for their own selfish desires... well, I don't want to do that to someone, you know? So I'm perfectly ok with being that person who just watches clips or whatever. Might not be the healthiest option but it's certainly healthier, in my opinion.

But I also recognize that I'm probably in a minority in the whole women as objects thing and, of that minority, a further minority in that I don't want to treat people like that so I step out. Maybe? I think.

I really don't think women are objects and that's why I don't pursue relationships? That sounds a lot more bizarre, lol.

 

[SoleMates]

Elfewja;

I can see your point. I've been single for a long time, and while I'd personally like to be in a relationship with someone who shares my fetish there are also times when I'd just like to go play with an attractive partner for an evening, maybe even on a regular basis with no commitment. I guess the argument could be made that you're objectifying the person in the second case but if you're both on the same page I don't really see the problem.

Which is not really what you said, but still. I think it's kind of unfortunate that a lot of times it doesn't seem possible unless lots of money changes hands...

 

[ElFewja]

I'm not necessarily against paying for it either, though I guess a lot of people are. I look at it as I want something and here's something that you want, you know? I feel way, way less bad about objectifying in that case because I feel like the other person is also getting something they want out of it. Mutual exchange, mostly.

And that's not to say it wouldn't happen in a relationship either. Er, not paying to tickle your partner, but complex relationships and sharing things, tickling being one of them. I just don't want to think I'm taking advantage of someone, mostly. I guess.

 

[TheTickleMonster]

Oh you foot only people. In my opinion, you're the boring ones, not the video clips.

If you're a snob and only like bare feet tickling, no oil, no nylons, no nothing but foot tickling, and no licking, (Personally I'm with you there, I hate feet and seeing them licked makes me want to throw up.. no offense) there are only so many different ways you can tickle them... You're the one that limits yourself by only liking feet.

 

[ElFewja]

I think I speak for everyone here: Hey, you can like or dislike what you want but please don't come in and directly or indirectly insult people just because you don't like something (in this case feet).

I say you're being insulting specifically because of your tone and word choice.

Thanks.

 

[PiedPiper]

Like it or not, folks,.. the TMF is a de facto foot fetish site which happens to append to the tickling fetish,..... it is inescapable.

 

[C.A.B.]

Like it or not, folks,.. the TMF is a de facto foot fetish site which happens to append to the tickling fetish,..... it is inescapable.

Where one finds opinion, one finds difference.

 

[PhilipRJ_UK]

I think I speak for everyone here: Hey, you can like or dislike what you want.

The voice of reason. Thank you for bringing some sense to the conversation

 

[dashboard]

I kind of agree with the OP. There's way too many "bells and whistles" when it comes to tickling videos these days. For me, less is more when it comes to tickling. All I ask for when it comes to tickling clips is a girl who's legitimately ticklish and nothing more.