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Pet Peeves about videos

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Im not sure if this kind of thread has been posted before, but Im just wondering if anyone has any pet peeves about certain ways producers shoot their videos.

I just bought a video where the guy explores the girls body trying to find her most ticklish spot, and eventually when he finds it on her knees the guy shooting the video decides to zoom in on her knee. ARGHH, I want to see the girls reaction not a someones knee caps!!! I see it happen in other videos too and it annoys me so much.

Anyone agree? Or does anyone have other pet peeves about the way certain videos are shot?
 
Yes, this kind of thread has been posted many many times before.
If you don't like them, don't buy them. There are plenty of producers out there now to choose from. No need to complain, it's all out there.
 
Yeah there are dozens of threads like this. I started one myself not too long ago. I wonder if the answer is to have a "sticky" at the top of the forum with one permanent thread on "suggestions for producers" or whatever. I know the producers seem to get irritated whenever these threads come up, but the only way to stop them from coming up is to either delete them entirely, or consolidate them into one super thread on this very topic.
 
Yes, this kind of thread has been posted many many times before.
If you don't like them, don't buy them. There are plenty of producers out there now to choose from. No need to complain, it's all out there.

This is kind of a ridiculous thing to say. We dont know theyre gonna do that until we actually buy their clips. Unless they post their entire video as a preview, were never gonna know if theyll do something we dont like.

Second of all, i get that producers wouldnt like it if we post these threads, but since when was stifling any kind of criticism for producers a good thing? Telling them what we dont like about videos allows them to adjust for their next videos. Youd think that theyd welcome constructive criticism.
 
It's just all the bellyaching about it. Camera pans to the knee caps and you have a tantrum. Life doesn't always go the way we'd like, and my guess that would extend to video clips as well. I've bought dozens of clips over the years, and I've been happy. I buy a turkey, I'm just more cautious about that producer after that, is all. Bellyaching here just raises the blood pressure. It's just not worth it.
 
It's just all the bellyaching about it. Camera pans to the knee caps and you have a tantrum. Life doesn't always go the way we'd like, and my guess that would extend to video clips as well. I've bought dozens of clips over the years, and I've been happy. I buy a turkey, I'm just more cautious about that producer after that, is all. Bellyaching here just raises the blood pressure. It's just not worth it.
Thats the problem. Youre so sensitive about this kind of criticism that you see my post as me having a "tantrum" or "bellyaching". I might have used some slihgtly exaggerated language, but thats just how I type for online forums. Im not posting a long winded rant or an essay about it. Im just talking about pet peeves, slight annoyances. I wrote a couple sentences about my gripes and youre treating me like Im overreacting. It honestly sounds like youre the one having the tantrum, not me.
 
Oh great, I get to unload a whole smegload of bile. :D Life don't get any better...

1/ Acting. Tickling models can't fucking do it. Ever.

2/ Plots. Tickling producers can't fucking write them. Ever.

3/ Moronic tickle talk. Paradise Vision has been the greatest offender with regard to this, in my experience. I mean fucking "gootchie gootchie"?!?!?!?! Come the fuck on. It's childish, it's irritating, it's pointless. Laughter is Beautiful is also a somewhat more minor offender with the "shshshshshshshshshhhhh!"noises the guy makes every time he's threatening to tickling the model. Monumentally fucking irritating. I'm not against using tickle talk to get inside the head of the lee and feck 'em up well and truly (I do it myself as a matter of fact) but the childish, brainless way I see it done in tickling videos really winds me up.

4/ (More a foot worship video thing - sometimes an issue with lickling.) The amount of noise the worshipper makes. Sounds like someone unblocking a fucking sink and makes me feel sick.

5/ Begging. Believe it or not, the constant begging you might expect a lee to do if you've never actually tickled one for a prolonged period of time doesn't ever happen. Hearing the lee model going "No, no, no, please stop" from the moment contact is made is beyond fake and winds me the FUCK UP!!!!! *breathes slowly* Kind of ties into 1/, but so irritating on its own it gets its own category.
 
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My pet peeve about videos is that they never feature exactly what I want. There is always at least one bit I would have done differently and 99% of the time I'm sure I would have done a better job of the tickling as I am an experienced (three different ladies) and skilled (can use both hands at the same time) tickler.

Despite there being lots to threads like this, to my knowledge not one producer has yet submitted the screenplay for a forthcoming video to the assembled collective on here for scrutiny. This is common practice in the motion picture industry so you don't risk going to see a film based on a short trailer and actually find you don't like the film when you see it in its entirety.

Producers - you have been warned!
 
1/ Acting. Tickling models can't fucking do it. Ever.

I'll go with this as well. I don't even watch clips that much anymore because they all kind of seem the same but this has always been something I didn't get.

Although I'm going to bet that most folks buying clips aren't really caring about the acting anyways...

And I'll never understand when a 'ler hits a hot spot, he'll move past it and of course, go for the feet. I get it that most folks on here (seems that way anyways) are into feet but this is a tickling site too - I'm sure there are folks here that would love to see someone get tickled where they're actually ticklish (and more than for just five seconds). :shrug:
 
Cheesy themes/plots and, most of all, FAKE laughter. I can notice fake laughter the second it starts.
 
Oh boy, another thread where we get to rant at the people providing a service to our community because they're not doing it exactly the way we fucking want it in the guise of "trying to make a better product". Never seen one of those before. Brill idea, really. And that's despite the fact that Jim is a hilarious mudderflucker and made me roffle.

I think at this point that it's simply better to PM a producer with any feedback, or post it to the thread of the clip in question. Threads like this just turn into a giant bitchfest that goes on for pages and annoys everyone, and it seems like we get one every other day. Not to mention they all eventually wind up just repeating the same two or three points that producers either ignore anyway or already do. If the clips are that fucking bad, stop fucking buying them.

fucking.

P

PS - the OP should not take my opinion personally, as it wasn't directed at him.

PPS - what BigJim said. roffle.
 
About two thirds of the complaints on all of these threads seem to be due to the models not being ticklish enough, or not being willing to allow their hot spots to be tickled extensively. Check it out:

Bad acting in tickling videos? This goes away if the lees are super ticklish and if the lers attack their most ticklish spots. That's because the lees' reactions will be genuine, and the lee won't have to beg in a super-fake manner to be released, nor will the ler have to cover up the lack of laughter with "cootchie coo" nonsense.

No plot? No one will care if the lee is super ticklish and is being tickled in the most intense way.

People feeling cheated because a 10 minute clip includes 4 minutes of breaks while the lers banter with each other or whatever? This goes away too under the above scenario.

Now, I'm sure every producer realizes that as far as lees go, the more ticklish, the better, and I'm sure every producer wants every second of his clips to be chalked full of genuine, intense tickly reactions from the lee. So the fact that this isn't happening tells me that it's simply not always possible to find lees ticklish enough to create a video that will make everyone happy, and even when those uber-ticklish lees are found, many of them probably can't take being tickled in certain hot spots extensively or being tickled without breaks. One solution might be to pay the best lees more money, but then the prices of the clips would go up and everyone would complain about that.
 
Oh boy, another thread where we get to rant at the people providing a service to our community because they're not doing it exactly the way we fucking want it in the guise of "trying to make a better product". Never seen one of those before. Brill idea, really. And that's despite the fact that Jim is a hilarious mudderflucker and made me roffle.

I think at this point that it's simply better to PM a producer with any feedback, or post it to the thread of the clip in question. Threads like this just turn into a giant bitchfest that goes on for pages and annoys everyone, and it seems like we get one every other day. Not to mention they all eventually wind up just repeating the same two or three points that producers either ignore anyway or already do. If the clips are that fucking bad, stop fucking buying them.

fucking.

P

PS - the OP should not take my opinion personally, as it wasn't directed at him.

PPS - what BigJim said. roffle.

Phin dah-ling, you're incredibly suave for a man with no fucking trousers on. :p

I'll be honest here, until this year or late last year, I had not found one single producer who hit every hot button my partialism possessed. The ones who looked girl-next-doory had the most boring looking tickling (Magic Touch); the ones that looked most daring, had ticklers with 70's porn star facial hair and stomachs that must have tipped the scales at four hundred pounds (the bloke who paid for tickle sessions in a club with mind-numbing music blasting through the whole thing) - I mean, I don't get off on the appearance of a male lee, but if he is a morbidly obese, ugly bastard with wanky facial hair, he blots out the girl - sadly he couldn't tickle to save his life either; virtually no-one did oral tickling (or lickling as it seems to have become known in my absence); the few who did had monumentally shit dialogue and about 90% of film time doing fuck all (FM Concepts).

Realtickling/TC/Femfeet.com were great for a number of years, but then for about five years they produced nothing but formulaic sausage factory stuff on a pink mat with a black background. Then Brian changed his black mask for a white one and did another two or three years of the same, eye-hurting stuff. That pissed me off. Realtickling had a shitload of originality and spontaneity in the early days, but once Priscilla James vanished, most of their stuff was way below par. and as they made the awful mistake of releasing most of their early (best) stuff under a three year arrangement, as time went by the dross was all that was for sale. Cierra Baynes, Toni Summers, most of Priscilla James and Tori Spears were lost to the sands of temporal legality. :dropatear

And talking of TIB..... he invented the tickling gimmick of wearing a mask. Mostly because he wanted to keep his anonymity, but he made a character thing out of it. Good for him. But then everyone did it and it became the flagship of wank tickling production.

Paradise Vision/Tickling Paradise did some good stuff I liked, but they were too obsessed with plots, acting and the tickling saying gormless, stupid fucking things. ("Gootchie gootchie" being top of the list.)

Last Laugh opened with a bang. Francois's Last Laugh Alpha was a gorgeous piece of tickling cinematography. But it was the last one he did that I really liked. Most of the things that turned me off are things François himself bemoans, like models who just aren't ticklish enough. Certainly I don't think things were down to a lack of effort on his part.

If I could have had a company who had the appearance and style of Magic Touch or Last Laugh; the ambition, scope and and flair of Paradise Vision; the sultry, sexy and purely fucking brutal viciousness of Realtickling...

Well the one who came closest to that would probably have been Silver Cherry. But it was a poor match. It didn't fit the bill totally.... Frenchtickling comes close too, to be honest. Shame about facial hair being such a distraction though.

And then....

It came.... (Oo-er missus, titter ye not!)

Out of the darkness came a juggernaut of tickling that had girls who looked girl next door (sometimes), who were spearheaded by a female ler who a) wasn't doing it for the money, because she fucking loved it, b) was so fucking fucking fucking fucking good at it that she made Priscilla James look second rate and c) who specialised in lickling more than anything else… And the tickle! Oh man… it was vicious, fast, deep kneading, light skittering torture. My own particular style, but done with more grace and more finesse than I’d ever managed.

It was a gestalt of all the best aspects of a tickling operation and as of now I own more than four times as many clips from this company as I do any other.

That company is Tickle Abuse. TA is probably a company that shows the ler does matter just as much as the lee. Brooke has a style and preference very similar to “the tickler” from Frenchtickling, but she is slick, sensual and downright evil, whereas he is a fat bloke, with a crap beard, and downright evil. When he sucks a girl’s toe, it looks like a particularly large nest of cuckoos eating Wormzilla. I don’t have a preference for f/f over m/f, in fact I always thought the latter was my preference. But I think it’s a lot easier for a male ler giving free reign to his inclination to look like a slobbering mess than an extremely fit lady like Brooke, who somehow always manages to make the temperature go up.

The irony is that like Priscilla James, I am not at all attracted to Brooke. (Which has her sobbing her heart out, I’m sure. Not!) I don’t have any clips of her being the lee and she isn’t someone I would ask out on the purely shallow and misogynist grounds of appearance. But she is a tickling fucking panther! (Especially when tickling Diane, who goes from jerking and screaming like a loon to gasping with appears to be genuine arousal during her torture at Brooke’s hands.)

The only failing Tickling Abuse has, and it’s only a failure to me I’m sure, is that they’re too heavily loaded with underwear and bikini tickling. I’d like to see more clothed stuff.

But they are the sexiest, sleekest, most torturous and howl-inducing outfit on the market. If they started doing bastinado clips too that were as genuine and unfeigned as the Brooke/Diana tickling/worship stuff, I’d never go anywhere else.
 
Last Laugh opened with a bang. Francois's Last Laugh Alpha was a gorgeous piece of tickling cinematography. But it was the last one he did that I really liked. Most of the things that turned me off are things François himself bemoans, like models who just aren't ticklish enough. Certainly I don't think things were down to a lack of effort on his part.

So you liked my very first video from all the way back in 2002 but not the 50+ that followed? Ouch. Good thing other people feel differently, otherwise I wouldn't have survived. But that's ok of course, you're entitled to your own tastes.

What I don't understand, though, is that while I can't honestly say that, on average, my models are as ticklish as those from some other producers (how can I possibly match, say, Tickle Abuse for instance?), I have worked with a number of models who were clearly as ticklish or more so than Marie and Isabelle from Alpha. So if ticklishness is your main concern, why did Alpha work for you but not other videos with models who reacted at least as intensely as the Alpha models?

I should point out that Last Laugh Alpha wasn't even a proper shoot. It was meant to be a filmed audition session that lasted way longer than was necessary due to my lack of experience. Good thing it lasted that long, though, since the girls weren't able to come back for a real shoot. I was able to salvage the situation by making a deal with the girls allowing me to release the audition footage (i.e. Last Laugh Alpha). Maybe what you liked about it is how rough and unstructured it is?
 
Anyone who I know of who is truly ticklish cannot stand being tickled, especially in there hot spot, for too long. What many of you are asking for is nearly impossible. It may as well be an unscripted spanking with a whip as far as some ticklee's are concerned. I am not big on breaks during clips I purchase, but how many would be able to put up with sadistic style torture for more than a few minutes at a time. You want the models to come back don't you?

Maybe the best approach is to find girl next door types and essentially trick them into a serious tickle torture and pray they don't sue you. That's about the best shot some of you have to getting what you want every time. I will concede that the points about the previews showing one thing and the clip being another is a serious deal breaker.

I recall TIB talking about how he couldn't get Sarah Lee again unless they faked the tickling because it was so torturous to her. Face it these producer's, some of them anyway, are doing what they can. This isn't a pass though, some people like the tickler in the shot others do not. I envision something like Laughing Gas productions or other niche style players. Maybe an underarm, tummy, navel, licking, whatever style only producer would be able to get some love. Problem there is you've shrunk your customer base substantially by specializing.

I think what would most likely work is something I noticed Addie has started to do which is a webcam style. Seems like a logical next step to me. That way the member could have a more personal experience. I'd envision a scenario were PAYING members could schedule time to have their very own webcam experience somewhere between 5-20 minutes, time could be based on consecutive months of membership. Maybe you book it like an appointment so you can tell the performer what it is you want to see. Just a thought, and a clearly half-baked one at that. But between access to clip libraries, outtakes and the feature mentioned previously, I'm sure that would keep the member base satisfied.

Course, there is only one Lily Haze and she also does other things besides videos, but it is an interesting thought. How I want to get my ticking fingers on her, but I digress how did I end up in this direction. Depending on the responses to this, maybe I'll break my no thread posting rule to refine this idea. If it sucks well, carry on.
 
Anyone who I know of who is truly ticklish cannot stand being tickled, especially in there hot spot, for too long. What many of you are asking for is nearly impossible.

Well, obviously this isn't the case for all super ticklish people, since there are producers who regularly put out new material with awesome ticklees. But generally speaking I agree with you that most people who are seriously ticklish aren't too keen on getting tickled for any amount of time, let alone several minutes at a time, even for money. Very unfortunate from a tickling video producer's point of view, but understandable.

I wish it weren't an issue, though. It's hard enough to find suitable models without having those who are just perfect for the job decline a shoot offer because they're afraid they couldn't take it. As I search for models I get tons of people who decline because they're not ticklish or because they're not comfortable with the context (especially the commercial distribution aspect). But I find it even more disappointing when a candidate declines because she feels she's just too ticklish. Basically, this is a case of the best qualified candidates declining because, well, they're just too qualified. Very frustrating.

Maybe the best approach is to find girl next door types and essentially trick them into a serious tickle torture and pray they don't sue you.

Of course, that's something no one should ever do. Not only would it be a really rotten thing to do to someone, I also don't see how any producer with more than two brain cells would take such an incredibly stupid risk. Even if the producer didn't get sued, word-of-mouth could easily kill his/her business, as well as his/her reputation both as a producer and as a person.
 
Anyone who I know of who is truly ticklish cannot stand being tickled, especially in there hot spot, for too long. What many of you are asking for is nearly impossible. It may as well be an unscripted spanking with a whip as far as some ticklee's are concerned. I am not big on breaks during clips I purchase, but how many would be able to put up with sadistic style torture for more than a few minutes at a time. You want the models to come back don't you?

Maybe the best approach is to find girl next door types and essentially trick them into a serious tickle torture and pray they don't sue you. That's about the best shot some of you have to getting what you want every time. I will concede that the points about the previews showing one thing and the clip being another is a serious deal breaker.

All good points. Interestingly, this is why some of the best tickling "clips" saved on my computer are YouTube finds of random people tickling their friends, significant others, etc. In those situations, which are largely spontaneous or at the very least unscripted, there has been no prior agreement about safewords, or length of time, or staying away from certain hotspots, and the result can often be very fulfilling from a tickle fetishist's point of view. And of course no lawsuits because who's going to sue their friend or girlfriend for tickling them for five minutes? You of course have to weed through the scores of crappy homemade videos on YouTube in order to find a real gem, but it's worth it when you do.
 
...webcam style. Seems like a logical next step to me. That way the member could have a more personal experience. ...

I have had a lot of fun on webcam sites over the years! You are right it is a lot less passive and second only to hands on, as it were ...but especially good for a spontaneous late night tickle fix :D

Pick a major webcam site and there's always opportunities for tickling; private shows or for tips :)
 
Apart from the perrenial bugbear of models who are obviously not ticklish despite the producers over inflated claims . The thing that really puts me off is lers that dont know when to shut the fuck up. I dont want a running commentary . childish coochie coo nonsense Or the very worst turn off ,the schoolboy sniggering which unfortunately one of the best LOOKING companies is guilty of .
 
So you liked my very first video from all the way back in 2002 but not the 50+ that followed? Ouch. Good thing other people feel differently, otherwise I wouldn't have survived. But that's ok of course, you're entitled to your own tastes.

What I don't understand, though, is that while I can't honestly say that, on average, my models are as ticklish as those from some other producers (how can I possibly match, say, Tickle Abuse for instance?), I have worked with a number of models who were clearly as ticklish or more so than Marie and Isabelle from Alpha. So if ticklishness is your main concern, why did Alpha work for you but not other videos with models who reacted at least as intensely as the Alpha models?

I should point out that Last Laugh Alpha wasn't even a proper shoot. It was meant to be a filmed audition session that lasted way longer than was necessary due to my lack of experience. Good thing it lasted that long, though, since the girls weren't able to come back for a real shoot. I was able to salvage the situation by making a deal with the girls allowing me to release the audition footage (i.e. Last Laugh Alpha). Maybe what you liked about it is how rough and unstructured it is?

For what it's worth François, I'm glad you've survived. I prefer operations like yours to the big companies. With what you've got and what you haven't, you've shown incredible stamina and perseverance. You're also a logical, reasonable and pleasant person. On these boards at least. You might be a proper bastard in real life, for all I know. :p

To specifics...

Yes, the home quality feel of alpha appealed to me. You are almost certainly bang on with that one. I'm certain it affected the performances of the models too, making them more natural and less self-conscious. I should mention of course that I haven't actually seen most of the rest of your videos, but I have selectively bought clips of them from your C4S store, basing my choices on what looked like the juiciest stills.

Why didn't I like them as much as Alpha? Alpha's models reacted more and Alpha's models made heavier contact. A lot of videos you've done have models who do more damage to the skin of a banana when they peel it when they're doing the lickling. Those two, to their immortal credit, really went for it! The natiive American girl in particular was actually licking between the other one's toes! That's something you don't even often see in Tickle Abuse clips. Also, their pacing is much more to my taste. Slow, languorous tickling/lickling, even if it makes the lee laugh, is boring to watch.

The only other one who came close was the elder of the two sisters you shot with about three vids later (Caro, I think you called her?) and there is something very NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..... *takes deep breath*............OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO about seeing sisters sucking each other's toes. It's like seeing Luke getting his face snogged off by Leia (Cue: lots of Britslang dictionary referencing) and then finding out they're brother and sister one movie later. lol

Alpha's models are also probably among your most photogenic and they are both very natural (again, probably down to it being just an audition). I don't consider myself a misogynist really, nor a chauvinist, but I've never bought a video or a clip that had models I thought were munters. (Cue: yet more referencing) Not that most of your models are, although one or two were. I'm generalising of course and I'm definitely not making statements about character. It is totally a superficial thing.

Please don't feel insulted François, there is none intended. As you say, it's just personal choice and I'm probably a picky wanker. You're still in business and you're made dozens of very eccentrically titled videos with no end in sight. That's what's important.
 
Of course, that's something no one should ever do. Not only would it be a really rotten thing to do to someone, I also don't see how any producer with more than two brain cells would take such an incredibly stupid risk. Even if the producer didn't get sued, word-of-mouth could easily kill his/her business, as well as his/her reputation both as a producer and as a person.

Didn't harm TIB any. Of course you always believed it was kayfabe, but it was always presented as legit.
 
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