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Why does Europe hate the Jews?

I do agree that not every citizen of Europe is Anti-Semitic, but it has been a disproportionately popular sentiment there, enough to make a lot of headlines. Bear that in mind as you read what might appear to be a Generalist statement when I don't have the patience to keep re-typing all the legal disclaimers.

I found a fascinating article in the Weekly Standard about about why the Arab World hates America, but it also contains relevant passages about the motives for European hatred of Jews.

Among the Bourgeoisophobes

Among the Bourgeoisophobes
Why the Europeans and Arabs, each in their own way, hate America and Israel.
by David Brooks
04/15/2002, Volume 007, Issue 30


AROUND 1830, a group of French artists and intellectuals looked around and noticed that people who were their spiritual inferiors were running the world. Suddenly a large crowd of merchants, managers, and traders were making lots of money, living in the big houses, and holding the key posts. They had none of the high style of the aristocracy, or even the earthy integrity of the peasants. Instead, they were gross. They were vulgar materialists, shallow conformists, and self-absorbed philistines, who half the time failed even to acknowledge their moral and spiritual inferiority to the artists and intellectuals. What's more, it was their very mediocrity that accounted for their success. Through some screw-up in the great scheme of the universe, their narrow-minded greed had brought them vast wealth, unstoppable power, and growing social prestige.

Naturally, the artists and intellectuals were outraged. Hatred of the bourgeoisie became the official emotion of the French intelligentsia. Stendhal said traders and merchants made him want to "weep and vomit at the same time." Flaubert thought they were "plodding and avaricious." Hatred of the bourgeoisie, he wrote, "is the beginning of all virtue." He signed his letters "Bourgeoisophobus" to show how much he despised "stupid grocers and their ilk."

Of all the great creeds of the 19th century, pretty much the only one still thriving is this one, bourgeoisophobia. Marxism is dead. Freudianism is dead. Social Darwinism is dead, along with all those theories about racial purity that grew up around it. But the emotions and reactions that Flaubert, Stendhal, and all the others articulated in the 1830s are still with us, bigger than ever. In fact, bourgeoisophobia, which has flowered variously and spread to places as diverse as Baghdad, Ramallah, and Beijing, is the major reactionary creed of our age.

This is because today, in much of the world's eyes, two peoples--the Americans and the Jews--have emerged as the great exemplars of undeserved success. Americans and Israelis, in this view, are the money-mad molochs of the earth, the vulgarizers of morals, corrupters of culture, and proselytizers of idolatrous values. These two nations, it is said, practice conquest capitalism, overrunning poorer nations and exploiting weaker neighbors in their endless desire for more and more. These two peoples, the Americans and the Jews, in the view of the bourgeoisophobes, thrive precisely because they are spiritually stunted. It is their obliviousness to the holy things in life, their feverish energy, their injustice, their shallow pursuit of power and gain, that allow them to build fortunes, construct weapons, and play the role of hyperpower.

And so just as the French intellectuals of the 1830s rose up to despise the traders and bankers, certain people today rise up to shock, humiliate, and dream of destroying America and Israel. Today's bourgeoisophobes burn with the same sense of unjust inferiority. They experience the same humiliation because there is nothing they can do to thwart the growing might of their enemies. They rage and rage. Only today's bourgeoisophobes are not just artists and intellectuals. They are as likely to be terrorists and suicide bombers. They teach in madrassas, where they are careful not to instruct their students in the sort of practical knowledge that dominates bourgeois schools. They are Muslim clerics who incite hatred and violence. They are erudite Europeans who burn with humiliation because they know, deep down, that both America and Israel possess a vitality and heroism that their nations once had but no longer do.

Today the battle lines are forming. The dispute over Palestine, which was once a local conflict about land, has been transformed into a great cultural showdown. The vast array of bourgeoisophobes--Yasser Arafat's guerrilla socialists, Hamas's Islamic fundamentalists, Jose Bove's anti-globalist leftists, America's anti-colonial multiculturalists, and the BBC's Oxbridge mediacrats--focus their diverse rages and resentments on this one conflict.

The bourgeoisophobes have no politburo. There is no bourgeoisophobe central command. They have no plausible strategy for victory. They have only their nihilistic rage, their envy mixed with snobbery, their snide remarks, their newspaper distortions, their conspiracy theories, their suicide bombs and terror attacks--and above all, a burning sense that the rising, vibrant, and powerful peoples of America and Israel must be humiliated and brought low.

BOURGEOISOPHOBIA is really a hatred of success. It is a hatred held by people who feel they are spiritually superior but who find themselves economically, politically, and socially outranked. They conclude that the world is diseased, that it rewards the wrong values, the wrong people, and the wrong abilities. They become cynical if they are soft inside, violent if they are hard. In the bourgeoisophobe's mind, the people and nations that do succeed are not just slightly vulgar, not just over-compensated, not just undeservedly lucky. They are monsters, non-human beasts who, in extreme cases, can be blamelessly killed. This Manichaean divide between the successful, who are hideous, and the bourgeoisophobes, who are spiritually pristine, was established early in the emergence of the creed. The early 19th-century German poet Holderlin couldn't just ignore the merchant bourgeoisie; he had to declare the middle classes "deeply incapable of every divine emotion." In other words, scarcely human.

Holderlin's countryman Werner Sombart later wrote a quintessential bourgeoisophobe text called "Traders and Heroes," in which he argued that there are two basic human types: "The trader approaches life with the question, what can you give me? . . . The hero approaches life with the question what can I give you?" The trader, then, is the selfish capitalist who lives a meager, artificial life amidst "pocket-watches, newspapers, umbrellas, books, sewage disposal, politics." The hero is the total man, who is selfless, vital, spiritual, and free. An honest person might ascribe another's success to a superior work ethic, self-discipline, or luck--just being in the right place at the right time and possessing the right skills. A normal person might look at a rich and powerful country and try to locate the source of its vitality, to measure its human and natural resources, its freedom, its institutions and social norms. But for the bourgeoisophobe, other people's success is never legitimate or deserved. To him, success comes to those who worship the golden calf, the idol, the Satanic corrupter, gold.

When bourgeoisophobes describe their enemies, they almost always portray them as money-mad, as crazed commercialists. And this vulgar materialism, in their view, has not only corrupted the soul of the bourgeoisie, but through them threatens to debase civilization itself and the whole world. It threatens, in the words of the supreme bourgeoisophobe, Karl Marx, to take all that is holy and make it profane.

And once the bourgeoisophobes had experienced the basic spasm of reaction, they soon settled on the Americans and Jews as two of the chief objects of their ire. Because, as Henry Steele Commager once noted, no country in the world ever succeeded like America, and everybody knew it. And no people in the European experience ever achieved such sustained success as the Jews.

So the Jews were quickly established in the bourgeoisophobe imagination as the ultimate commercial people. They were the bankers, the traders, the soulless and sharp dealmakers who crawled through the cellars of honest and noble cultures and infected them with their habits and practices. The 19th-century Teutonic philosopher Houston Chamberlain said of the Jews that "their existence is a crime against the holy laws of life." The Jewish religion, he said, is "rigid," "scanty," and "sterile."

There's a great deal more, quite fascinating stuff, and I recommend following the link to the complete article.
 
I think prejudice is a tricky thing Hal. Everyone tends to think of it in terms of the extremes that you are either totally unbiased or some extreme "klan like" monster bent on hurting and killing people. The truth is we are all biased is some way or another, it is just the extent. I think most people in the world are good people, but not perfect. I have had to work on my own personal biases and I think I am a better person for it. Thats not to say I was a bad person before, but just not the best person I could be. I think if everyone did that, including people in Europe, the world would be a much better place. Thats why I think blanket terms like Anti-semetic and racist are almost useless in a way because it is difficult to measure how much a person likes or dislikes a group of people in any quantitative way without taking a very long time to know them. I certainly would not to use blanket terms like Anti-semetic against everyone in Europe because I have some good friends in Europe and as I have said I think such terms are misleading.

On the subject of Israel I support them in their fight to live without fear or terror. In all the demonstrations I see, even in the US, I see almost none in favor of them. To me this is sad, very sad. I have known a lot of people of the jewish faith and they do not deserve the bad reputation the press is giving them over this conflict. Maybe this is a personal thing for me because there were times in my life as I stated before where the only people who were willing to be my friend, to support me, in spite of my craziness were jewish. I feel it is only right for me to support Israel in its time of need now, even if not many others are willing to do so. Just my humble opinion though. Take care.
 
Dear Hal,

I appreciate your careful attempt to address our differences.

Let my say a couple of things: First, on one level, I really hope what you are saying is true! If there has been some kind of fundamental transformation of European culture since WWII, that would be fantastic. My problem is that everything I do hear coming out of Europe sounds so one-sided and hostile. Now that may certainly be connected to the severe limitations of the world media, but you'd think SOME of the good stuff would get through. Perhaps not.

Now--about "condolences". Here is my position: In general, Europeans seem to be very, very comfortable MOURNING the Jews. Feeling bad for the suffering of Jews is easy--it is much harder for their former masters to affirm Jewish power, Jewish strength and Jewish self-defense. It is as if much of "Europe" says this: We want our Jews wandering and weak, homeless and humble. If Israel was on the verge of destruction (God forbid), I believe Europe would NOT step forth to help save her, but they WOULD be willing to take in survivors and build displaced persons camps.

Let me say that my perception is that Germany has responded somewhat differently than many other European countries regarding relations with Israel, probably out of a sense of responsibility for the Holocaust. This is a good thing. Frankly, Germany as a nation is morally obligated to do all it reasonably can for the Jewish people until the end of time. This is the most basic matter of living up to the consequences of one's actions. In fact, this is true for most of Europe with a couple notable exceptions.

Our biggest disagreement is this: You feel Israel "uses" the charge of antisemitism to fend off criticism. I feel Israel is constantly judged by harsh and unfair standards in Europe because of underlying antisemitism. This does not mean I believe every "European" is antisemitic.

Let me give one key example of why I stand by my views here. In 1981 Israel blew up the one and only Iraqi nuclear reactor and was subjected to massive criticism, especially in Europe (note: a small number of French technicians were killed in the attack. France was helping them build it). Instead of cheering the moral courage, the military cunning and the strategic wisdom of the Israeli people, Europeans condemned her. This had nothing to do with the so-called "West Bank". Just imagine where things would now stand in the world if Israel had not taken this step. No--don't simply imagine it, be afraid of it, be very afraid.

dig dug dog
 
hi hal. your post was very good. i believe you, and many germans, and other europeans are not anti-jewish.

a couple things though; i am not suprised you didn't meet many anti-semetics on a trip to isreal. i'm suprised you met any at all!

maybe you haven't heard about all the anti-jewish violence going on in europe daily, especially in france?

i've met many german soldiers and former wermacht soldiers. the vast majority were not anti-jew. but there were a rabid few. now this could be that the rest were smart enough to keep their mouths shut, lol. but i don't think so. i believe they don't hate the jews, and they didn't know why anyone did.
steve
 
Quoting ddd:
"Frankly, Germany as a nation is morally obligated to do all it reasonably can for the Jewish people until the end of time. This is the most basic matter of living up to the consequences of one's actions."

Nonsense. Germans of Hal's generation and younger have no more responsibility for the Holocaust than living White Americans have for slavery. If you're looking for the guilty parties, you're looking for someone much older. In fact, seems to me that the Germans have done a much better job than most other Europeans of confronting and dealing with racism.

Quoting Hal:
"Strelnikov, you're constantly mixing up Nazi times with nowaday's Europe."

The statement was made in connection with my post on French anti-semitism.

You will recall that the Vichy Head of State, Marshal Petain, was prosecuted and imprisoned at the end of WW-II for collaborating with the Germans. The French took a dim view and acted quickly and decisively.

OTOH, a Vichy police official (in Lyon, I think) collaborated with the Gestapo's roundup of French Jews, and it took the French authorities more than 50 years to get around to prosecuting him. During his trial, some Frenchmen argued that he was too old and frail to stand trial. After his conviction, the same people argued that he was too old and frail to go to prison. (Old, frail Jews, of course, got a whiff of Zyklon-B.) From this side of the ocean, it looks to me like the French didn't think this man's crimes were worth prosecuting. They did so only because of bad publicity. Then they tried to let him off.

Distorted views? I think not. I stand by my earlier post.

Strelnikov
 
Dear Strelnikov,

We have now arrived at another very important moral issue. I do, in fact, believe that America has a unique, deep, and abiding responsibility toward the Black, African-American community as well as toward the Indian, Native-American community.

You did not pay careful attention to my wording. I said (as you quoted) "Germany as a nation is morally obligated...". The point is not whether certain individual Germans were old enough to have been part of the Holocaust. Every nation is a collective, corporate entity which has a set of particular challenges and responsibilities emerging from its own historical experience. For Germany, one of those responsibilities is to bear the burden of its horrendous deeds against the Jewish people and to engage in an ongoing process of introspection, repentence and repair.

America has a similar burden with respect to the above named groups.

Your approach to the issue is inadequate because it is too individualistic. Because human beings exist as integral parts of nations and communities, their human duties devolve from those communities, and not merely from their individual actions in day-to-day life. Unless we say this, there is no cohesive meaning to the term "American," "German," "Catholic," or "Jew". Just as we take pride and benefit from our nation's past achievements, we must mourn and correct its errors and failures.

This duty is collective and communal--it's not that 18 year old Franz the German, as an individual, is specially obligated toward the Jews, but the German nation, as a commonwealth, is.

"O say can you see, by the dawn's early light, what so proudly WE hailed...."

dig dug dog
 
ddd

Actually, I've asked this question before, ddd, and got no answer: For how many generations do we have to pay for our ancestor's sins? This applies to Germans as well as to the English, the French, the Americans. And I think it's an important question at what time forgiveness is due. I'm not talking about 'forget', but 'forgive'. :cool:
 
Dear Hal,

First of all, cool logo/pic!

I agree that it is an important and difficult question you ask. It probably depends on the nature of the deeds involved. There are very few events in all of history comparable to the Nazi Holocaust. Unfortunately, this does impose a heavy moral responsibility on Germany (and it's collaborators).

Hitler was striving for a 1,000 Reich. Is a thousand years too long as a period of repentence--measure for measure? How about one year for every 1,000 Jews murdered (= 6,000 years)? Too long? How about one year for every 1,000 Jewish children murdered (= 1,500 years)?

I can tell you one thing with certainty. The forces of anti-Jewish hatred are very much alive and well and living in many places across the globe. As long as those forces remain a potent threat, Germany must be at the forefront of efforts to combat Nazism in all its forms--including and especially its anti-Israel variety.

dig dug dog
 
can we jews forgive?

hal you asked a very good question; when can germany stop paying for the sins od it's ancestors? you also asked if the jews can forgive?

i was not in a victim of the death camps, neither were my parent, or grandparents. but my mothers aunts, uncles, cousins, everyone in europe died in those camps. these are people from germany, holland, france. they are all gone, dozens of them. can you imagine the hole that leaves? honestly, i don't blame you. as a child my best friend was a boy who's father was in the german airforce during ww2. the man was great! a true gentleman. my parents met, and liked him.
i'm sorry, but the truth is i will never forgive germany as a country, for the loss of all those Von Os(german) VanDerHack(dutch) Dubrien?(french) people that i never will meet. it hurts to even think about the ways they died.

hal no jew in their right mind would blame you, or your parents. but we will take a long time to get beyond this mourning.

steve
 
To forgive someone is a special gift that you give someone. It is a gift that I think is given too easily these days and not truly appreciated even when it is given. It is up to a person or party involved to give this gift, for example, me forgiving Germany for its past deeds means nothing for I nor any of my family were victims of the Holocaust.

Yet at the proper point in time it is a gift that must be given I think. For it is a way of moving forward from the past to a brighter future. I am not saying that this is an easy process but it must happen at some point. We as a civilization will never survive if we can not move on. Perhaps it is just my Chrisitan upbringing that makes me feel this way. All I can say is when I have seen someone forgive someone who is truly repentant it is a truly beautiful thing.

The Holocaust will always remain to me as the single most evil act in human history. I will always have a great deal of respect for the jewish people and their faith and I have always been a strong supporter of Israel. At some point though I feel there must be forgiveness over the past. It is a gift that only those of the jewish faith can give to Germany. If it does happen it will be a monumentous event for I feel it will allow the human race to move on, to help us be closer to one another.
 
From what I have gathered,Jenin is a refugee camp/village that the Israelis entered and some shooting took place(imagine that in the middle east).Some say that the Israelis were blowing the hell out of the place,committing massacres,etc.

Looking at the logistical and strategic sides,it's bull.If the Israelis wanted to tear the place apart,they would not send troops in looking house to house for a certain select few and trying to defend them selves from all sides.It would have been safer and easier to line the tanks up on the outskirts and flatten the place wholesale.
This obviously has not been happening,and they are getting soldiers killed in the process.
 
Slight tangent here

While we have been discussing Europe and the Jews,the liability of the German people has been brought up.If the same death rate is in existence there as in the US,the majority of current German citizens have no personal recollection of WW2.

I see no reason to demand reparation from them,of any kind,for things they weren't even alive to see.

Currently,suits are being prepared in the US for reparations for slavery.SO FAR,the targets are certain businesses.Today,there is not 1 person in the US who was,or is,legally held as a slave in the US,and the vast majority of US residents never even met one.

The statute of limitations aside,how can anyone today be responsible for actions taken over a century ago?Even if you accept that these businesses existed and profitted from slavery,it was a legal activity at the time and has since been abolished.That's alot like making this forum illegal today and arresting Psycho for having been a part of it.

If you belive in this type of reparation,you better get used to one hell of a clogged court system.A few might cave and figure it's better to pay off the claim....others won't.Ultimately,the biggest benefactors will be the attorneys.
 
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