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Actually thought provoking... (maybe)

Journia said:
Entertaining story Vladislaus....um Midnight Circus....it was my opinion And that was yours....do not state it as fact....

Please do not dismiss my statement as merely "opinion" simply because you do not agree with it. Perhaps I misunderstood, but from the post, it seemed as though you define "moderation" as a lack of two very important aspects which put us above the animals: the ability to consciously love (love) and the ability to consciously hate (vice). Without those, what are we but animals in pants and skirts?

we are only human beings....who knows what is possible....that is fact....

As I said, perhaps I misunderstood...but abandoning all vice and all love would make us nothing but machines when taken to the next logical level. We might as well be Daleks.
 
I didn't mean no vice, no love. I just put thast in for an ending.
 
I can tickle someone without it leading to sex. I think of tickling as a playfully and non-sexual activity.
 
Midnight Circus said:
lol Clever, Kalamos. 😛
😉

...

A friend of mine was nuts over it.
I put the blame on him.

😀
 
Kalamos said:
😉

...

A friend of mine was nuts over it.
I put the blame on him.

😀

That's like blaming whomever invented the Polio vaccine. Why blame someone for spreading the greatness? 😀
 
Midnight Circus said:
That's like blaming whomever invented the Polio vaccine. Why blame someone for spreading the greatness? 😀
Oh, so you are going to pick a fight and run huh? *Pulls out sniper rifle and shoots Circus in the Foot.*
That is why I kicked Bello off the stage!
 
Kalamos, a witty, passive man....*Pulls out rifle and snipes him in the back.*
 
"I love how Kalamos WON'T RP with you, but he'll make you still able to RP on him."

*Points and laughs at Journia*
 
The usefulness of a cup comes from it's emptiness

Hmm...allow the accursed athiest to interject something here.

First of all, I was born a Catholic...and then later lost the faith. I will not go into detail, but I have my own reasons why this occured and why I have no interest in finding it again. In fact the closest thing I have to a religion right now is the philosophy of Bruce Lee.

Now, that being said, human beings (as we've so labeled ourselves) are animals. We are not so different from the others that inhabit the earth. We have a fairly evolved, primate brain and opposable thumbs, but beyond that, humans are not really all that evolved (or as evolved and special as we would like to believe). We even still have useless appendages on us that still haven't evolved out yet (apendix, tailbone, etc.). Therefore, we still have quite a bit of animalistic tendencies and insticts about us. We're just very good at hiding/denying them by covering them with veneers such as "civilization", or "religion". Sometimes people run into problems with their inherent animalistic nature when they try too hard to pretend like they aren't there. Remember, in order to properly deal with something, you must first acknowlege it's existence. To me, the most healthy people in the world are the ones that acknowledge ALL parts of themselves...pleasent and unpleasent. Only then can you deal with them and move on through life as a "well adjusted member of modern society". Granted, it's all a facade, but for the moment, it's all we have.
Now, all of that being said, sexuality, fetishes, etc are all very animalistic parts of us. Animals are driven by an instinctual need to procreate (thus promoting the survival of the species) and are ruled by a pain/pleasure paradox. If you forget civilization and morality for a moment, the basic goal of every animal on the face of this earth is to procreate and experience more pleasure than pain (unless, of course, pain is pleasurable to them). For us, tickling is highly pleasurable and for some of us it gives us sexual gratification. Sex and pleasure...we are therefore fulfilling two of the most basic wants/needs of any cognizant creature, and remember, the willful denying of either of these is a human fabrication (and you can thank the gnostics for that).
Now calm down, I'm not saying that religion is bad or anything of the sort. In fact if it weren't for religion and civilization we wouldn't have accomplished as much as we have today. So, in one respect, the denying of our inherent nature has allowed us to prosper. However, whether we like it or not, every once in a while, someone comes along that reminds us of just how much like the rest of the animal kingdom we still are.
Anyway...
What an organized religion's take on Tickling was would be anyone's guess. However, I would be careful of any institution that did it's best to convince you that something you enjoyed, which was inherently harmless to yourself and others, was wrong.
For the record though, Tickling does have the approval of ONE preist in Philly who, after witnessing a rather intense tickling scene in the hotel lobby at NEST, walked by and said "I'm next." 😀
 
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Interesting take on this ALCHEMY....By the way Chameleon...RP? Never heard of it. *Snipes you in the back of the head, then throws a plasma grenade on you.*
 
*is invulnerable to damage*

"Man oh man... I love being a creature who's eyes rotate independantly... as I saw you coming a mile away, Journia... and luckily, blending in with the environment has its advantages..."

*Becomes one with the floor.*
 
Vladislaus Dracula said:
I don't know what part of that post to correct first. LOL

Procreation and fetishes are not the same thing, so no. Thats like comparing masturbation to intercourse and exclaiming that they are exactly the same thing.

A common misconception people have about God is that He is more concerned about the manner in which you arrive at sexual copulation than copulation itself. As long as you are using your sexual powers and faculties legitimately and for the right reasons, and will take responsibility, the means to which you arrive to coitus is not His concern in a loving relationship.

Sex is a gift from God to us. We know what He intended it to be used for, but let us not forget that He also designed it to be pleasurable and fulfilling. God created pure passion. He made every part of the female and male body in such a way that it could/would be inticing and pleasing to the other. To enchance sexual union by untraditional means is neither a sin nor a crime so long as the union is not morally devalued or corrupted because of the acts or the sex act is purely sinful.

If your concern is whether or not having a fetish matters, it most certainly does not in the greater scheme of your destiny. He doesn't care about your quirk or including it in sex as long as it doesn't lead you to sinful debauchery and other negative vices. Then He starts to care because He knows it will lead you down the wrong path eventually.

The Church is not going to question what you do in the bedroom either unless you broadcast it. LOL

If anything, people who have fetishes have them so they can better discipline themselves and grow and learn from them and the experiences, good and bad, that they have because of them.


that's... not 100% true...

in the bible, it does state that, if a man should pleasure himself, he must cleanse himself in water and will remain "unclean" for a day. Should a woman help him in a manner other than thru sex, she too will be unclean for a day. Should another man help him, or a woman help a woman, both must attend church and profess their sin, partake of the holy sacrement of communion, and they will be cleansed a week from that day.

I'll try and find the verse... it's kinda oddly worded.

Personally, though, I think God tires sometimes of watching us all whine moan and generally bitch about the life he gave us XD and so he lets us to our own devices so long as we don't go hog head evil.

alchemy made a very poignent point... I myself am not mainstream christian, but am somewhat modified... if anyone cares to know, I'll try to explain in a PM but said convo will remain there

edit

oh, and

*comes thru in a scorpian and blasts you all, finding you by using Mad Eye Moody's magical eye*

bwahaha
 
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TheChameleon said:
*is invulnerable to damage*

"Man oh man... I love being a creature who's eyes rotate independantly... as I saw you coming a mile away, Journia... and luckily, blending in with the environment has its advantages..."

*Becomes one with the floor.*
*Washes blending paint and snipes you again and again.*
 
i heard god says if you kill and rape and steal and confess in church and pretend you are now religious the next minute you will go to heaven and still be able to rock out with the good churchians because those lives you took were meant to die anyway from darwi--WAIT WHAT THE FUCK
 
I believe most of the hocus pocus around sex from religion, and society, and any ideology, is for practical reasons. You have a [nubile but at least 18] daughter in a tribe of 100 people or so. There are 15 boys her age in your neighborhood. Left to her own devices, she will have sex. She will conceive. The father will be nowhere to be found. Guaranteed.
So what is your best option?
a) reason with her and explain rationally why it's best to wait until she's in her 20s and married;
b) wait a few centuries for the pill or latex condoms to be invented;
c) mutilate her; or
d) scare her into thinking she will burn for eternity if she so much as shows her ankles to a man.

Well people have tried all those things. Perhaps D was the worst choice, because the followers of that line of thinking seem to have multiplied to populate the world, implying their children had lots of sex.

Inquisitors were known to tickle victims. But I'd have to say if there were a god it would not be happy with any sexual activity involving restraining or immobilizing a person. That energy would be better used harvesting crops or building barns or hunting mammoths.
 
alchemy said:
Hmm...allow the accursed athiest to interject something here.

First of all, I was born a Catholic...and then later lost the faith. I will not go into detail, but I have my own reasons why this occured and why I have no interest in finding it again. In fact the closest thing I have to a religion right now is the philosophy of Bruce Lee.

Now, that being said, human beings (as we've so labeled ourselves) are animals. We are not so different from the others that inhabit the earth. We have a fairly evolved, primate brain and opposable thumbs, but beyond that, humans are not really all that evolved (or as evolved and special as we would like to believe). We even still have useless appendages on us that still haven't evolved out yet (apendix, tailbone, etc.). Therefore, we still have quite a bit of animalistic tendencies and insticts about us. We're just very good at hiding/denying them by covering them with veneers such as "civilization", or "religion". Sometimes people run into problems with their inherent animalistic nature when they try too hard to pretend like they aren't there. Remember, in order to properly deal with something, you must first acknowlege it's existence. To me, the most healthy people in the world are the ones that acknowledge ALL parts of themselves...pleasent and unpleasent. Only then can you deal with them and move on through life as a "well adjusted member of modern society". Granted, it's all a facade, but for the moment, it's all we have.
Now, all of that being said, sexuality, fetishes, etc are all very animalistic parts of us. Animals are driven by an instinctual need to procreate (thus promoting the survival of the species) and are ruled by a pain/pleasure paradox. If you forget civilization and morality for a moment, the basic goal of every animal on the face of this earth is to procreate and experience more pleasure than pain (unless, of course, pain is pleasurable to them). For us, tickling is highly pleasurable and for some of us it gives us sexual gratification. Sex and pleasure...we are therefore fulfilling two of the most basic wants/needs of any cognizant creature, and remember, the willful denying of either of these is a human fabrication (and you can thank the gnostics for that).
Now calm down, I'm not saying that religion is bad or anything of the sort. In fact if it weren't for religion and civilization we wouldn't have accomplished as much as we have today. So, in one respect, the denying of our inherent nature has allowed us to prosper. However, whether we like it or not, every once in a while, someone comes along that reminds us of just how much like the rest of the animal kingdom we still are.
Anyway...
What an organized religion's take on Tickling was would be anyone's guess. However, I would be careful of any institution that did it's best to convince you that something you enjoyed, which was inherently harmless to yourself and others, was wrong.
For the record though, Tickling does have the approval of ONE preist in Philly who, after witnessing a rather intense tickling scene in the hotel lobby at NEST, walked by and said "I'm next." 😀

Well-said, Alchemy.

We are all little Dr. Jeckylls, posting on this forum under Mr. Hyde aliases. 'Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde' is actually a truly awesome book, on exactly what you're talking about.

Another great story dealing with the same subject is Nathaniel Hawthorne's 'Young Goodman Brown':
http://www.online-literature.com/hawthorne/158/
One of the most astute statements on human nature I've come across. After going to the woods to make a deal with the devil, and seeing the entire village there in an orgiastic ritual, including his new wife, he leaves and spends the rest of his life isolated and distrustful of everyone, a miserable, uptight man. The devil wins through Brown's piety. Almost like if everyone on here discovered their coworkers, clergy, doctors, teachers, parents, etc. were fellow posters.

I myself tend to get more excited by tickling and bondage when I'm under a lot of stress and continue to be polite to everyone. No coincidence. For some people that outlet is football or action movies or being Republican. For me it's tickling.
 
Betchass said:
Well-said, Alchemy.

We are all little Dr. Jeckylls, posting on this forum under Mr. Hyde aliases. 'Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde' is actually a truly awesome book, on exactly what you're talking about.

Another great story dealing with the same subject is Nathaniel Hawthorne's 'Young Goodman Brown':
http://www.online-literature.com/hawthorne/158/
One of the most astute statements on human nature I've come across. After going to the woods to make a deal with the devil, and seeing the entire village there in an orgiastic ritual, including his new wife, he leaves and spends the rest of his life isolated and distrustful of everyone, a miserable, uptight man. The devil wins through Brown's piety. Almost like if everyone on here discovered their coworkers, clergy, doctors, teachers, parents, etc. were fellow posters.

I myself tend to get more excited by tickling and bondage when I'm under a lot of stress and continue to be polite to everyone. No coincidence. For some people that outlet is football or action movies or being Republican. For me it's tickling.

Exactly. Literature is full of those types of conflicts. Dr. Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde IS a wonderful book on the subject and Young Goodman Brown is a perfect example of that sort of thing from a religious angle. My three main subjects of study in college were Art history, Greek History, and Geology. All three of these constantly bring into question man's internal conflict of morality vs. nature, fabrication vs. realization, and religous thought vs. science fact.
 
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