With respect, I don't think anything like this is reason not to go to a gathering. But perception is reality to a lot of people. If you're somebody who is of the opinion that you won't fit in at such an event, wrong as that may be, something like this may well reinforce that.
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Amnesiac's NEST PHOTOS (Finally)
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With respect, I don't think anything like this is reason not to go to a gathering. But perception is reality to a lot of people. If you're somebody who is of the opinion that you won't fit in at such an event, wrong as that may be, something like this may well reinforce that.
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Chill out? Where exactly did this get heated? My interpretation of the discussion so far is that it's been fairly relaxed. But I'm not going to get into a debate about the debate at hand.
I do find it fairly ironic that, unprovoked, you single me out and accuse me of picking fights...🙄
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Hey just to let everyone know...
Skip and I are friends.. all this is is a silly difference of opinion. She has as much right to be wrong ( kidding ) as I do to be always right ( not kidding ) ( Kidding.. maybe )
Skip and I are friends.. all this is is a silly difference of opinion. She has as much right to be wrong ( kidding ) as I do to be always right ( not kidding ) ( Kidding.. maybe )
I can honestly say....
I have never f**ked Underdog.... Miss or MR... though there was those fantasies of Sweet Polly Purbread
LOL I fucking love Underdog!!!
I have never f**ked Underdog.... Miss or MR... though there was those fantasies of Sweet Polly Purbread
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WOAH....
Not so fast missy... I am NEVER FIXED....
That was Jewish thing when I was born
Not so fast missy... I am NEVER FIXED....
That was Jewish thing when I was bornSkipadeedoodah
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LOLNot so fast missy... I am NEVER FIXED....
Let us end this hijack, hm? Yahoo FTW 😉
WHOA WHOA WHOA EVERYBODY CHILL THE FUCK OUT!
You mind giving me a chance to EXPLAIN before we start a goddamn flame war over this?! I was out till 6 this morning with nerds, I've been asleep until now, so hold on!
Now...
I. Paragraph I
For the past week and a half I've been under a lot of pressure to post my collection of pics by everybody who went to NEST. UNLIKE most of those people, I was taking pictures all weekend and as such, I was bound by a much stricter code of confidence than the others...and since this code of privacy is based on the honor system and not actual enforcement by NEST team, I have to hold myself in check: I have to be even more careful with my photo collection that others.
The intro paragraph that you read was designed to antagonize people who WENT to NEST, not people who DIDN'T because they've been the ones who've been PMing and IMing me "Pics plz NAO" for a week. It was designed to get them excited so the 1 photo joke would irritate THEM, not anybody else. Apparently that backfired.
II. The PICTURE
Now I do agree in principle that some of the pics should have been at least visible to the forum and my original plan was to pic the safest photos with some of the most visible people here: people who make no attempt at all to conceal their faces (LeeAllure, Mondy, Euphoricy and Skipadeedoodah for instance)...and I did in fact post some of those, but before signing off for the night I conferred with a high-ranking member of the NEST administrative council to go over the post and make a ruling. This person stated politely but in no uncertain terms that any posts of ANY NEST photos would be in violation of the heretofore privacy agreement and that they should not be here period. The photo above was approved because there were no faces in it. Considering that it was a good-hearted jab at Natural Tickler as well as a visual joke, I thought it worked.
But my original plans were overridden by NEST administration in the interests of security. Sorry, but as I'm sure Myriads can appreciate...I gave my word to NEST team so I have to stick to it.
III. The LAST PARAGRAPH
Now, apparently I'm not as well known here as I thought because anybody who knows me knows that if there's anything mean-spirited about me, it gets vented in the General Discussion forum (usually when me and kis 123 go at it) and is not manifested in pranks on people anywhere else.
Now NEST receives a lot of flack every year because its size and population are such that it creates an sense of exclusion and cliquishness to the people who don't make it, and this is probably what fttickler thought I was doing. I've never done it before and I still haven't done it now; I don't play that "neener neener neener" crap with people.
Thanks for defending me Skippy, you are right about my intent, but fttickler and Myriads are right about the tone: it comes off wrong and gives the wrong impression. The last paragraph was a combination of my contribution and the insistence of the aforementioned NEST administration member...
...I was informed to make it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that only NEST attendees were allowed to view the photos at all, regardless of the safety of their content, in order to preserve the strict privacy and confidentiality of the people who went. I didn't agree with the STRINGENCY of it, but had to comply because of my commitment. That line about having to be a NEST attendee to see the photos was added later and forced me to change my approach to finishing the post.
But because the opening paragraph had already set up the NEST attendees, I tried to make the final paragraph fit the "BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHA" tone of the first...I did this because the goal was to antagonize the people who WENT to NEST who'd been bugging me for pictures, NOT the people who were NOT in attendance.
I thought that people on both sides would be able to follow this and interpret the tone correctly, but I miscalculated. So I'm sorry about all the bad blood this provoked, but I thought that everybody knew what page I was on, and would understand that the privacy issues were greater than I originally imagined and had an effect on what was seen. I tried to turn it into an in-joke, but it instead turned into a more broad spectrum antagonism. That wasn't what I had planned.
So, in the end, the pictures have been ruled off-limits to non-NEST attendees, this thread derailed in a horrible fashion but nowhere near as bad as it could have been had I posted actual pictures here, and ultimately no one is going to be happy with how this turned out. The only consolation I can offer is that it was all unexpected and accidental.
And other than that, I don't know what else to say except to PLEASE put the flame war out before it starts and chalk it up to another case of Altamont Syndrome.
You mind giving me a chance to EXPLAIN before we start a goddamn flame war over this?! I was out till 6 this morning with nerds, I've been asleep until now, so hold on!
Now...
I. Paragraph I
For the past week and a half I've been under a lot of pressure to post my collection of pics by everybody who went to NEST. UNLIKE most of those people, I was taking pictures all weekend and as such, I was bound by a much stricter code of confidence than the others...and since this code of privacy is based on the honor system and not actual enforcement by NEST team, I have to hold myself in check: I have to be even more careful with my photo collection that others.
The intro paragraph that you read was designed to antagonize people who WENT to NEST, not people who DIDN'T because they've been the ones who've been PMing and IMing me "Pics plz NAO" for a week. It was designed to get them excited so the 1 photo joke would irritate THEM, not anybody else. Apparently that backfired.
II. The PICTURE
Now I do agree in principle that some of the pics should have been at least visible to the forum and my original plan was to pic the safest photos with some of the most visible people here: people who make no attempt at all to conceal their faces (LeeAllure, Mondy, Euphoricy and Skipadeedoodah for instance)...and I did in fact post some of those, but before signing off for the night I conferred with a high-ranking member of the NEST administrative council to go over the post and make a ruling. This person stated politely but in no uncertain terms that any posts of ANY NEST photos would be in violation of the heretofore privacy agreement and that they should not be here period. The photo above was approved because there were no faces in it. Considering that it was a good-hearted jab at Natural Tickler as well as a visual joke, I thought it worked.
But my original plans were overridden by NEST administration in the interests of security. Sorry, but as I'm sure Myriads can appreciate...I gave my word to NEST team so I have to stick to it.
III. The LAST PARAGRAPH
Now, apparently I'm not as well known here as I thought because anybody who knows me knows that if there's anything mean-spirited about me, it gets vented in the General Discussion forum (usually when me and kis 123 go at it) and is not manifested in pranks on people anywhere else.
Now NEST receives a lot of flack every year because its size and population are such that it creates an sense of exclusion and cliquishness to the people who don't make it, and this is probably what fttickler thought I was doing. I've never done it before and I still haven't done it now; I don't play that "neener neener neener" crap with people.
Thanks for defending me Skippy, you are right about my intent, but fttickler and Myriads are right about the tone: it comes off wrong and gives the wrong impression. The last paragraph was a combination of my contribution and the insistence of the aforementioned NEST administration member...
...I was informed to make it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that only NEST attendees were allowed to view the photos at all, regardless of the safety of their content, in order to preserve the strict privacy and confidentiality of the people who went. I didn't agree with the STRINGENCY of it, but had to comply because of my commitment. That line about having to be a NEST attendee to see the photos was added later and forced me to change my approach to finishing the post.
But because the opening paragraph had already set up the NEST attendees, I tried to make the final paragraph fit the "BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHA" tone of the first...I did this because the goal was to antagonize the people who WENT to NEST who'd been bugging me for pictures, NOT the people who were NOT in attendance.
I thought that people on both sides would be able to follow this and interpret the tone correctly, but I miscalculated. So I'm sorry about all the bad blood this provoked, but I thought that everybody knew what page I was on, and would understand that the privacy issues were greater than I originally imagined and had an effect on what was seen. I tried to turn it into an in-joke, but it instead turned into a more broad spectrum antagonism. That wasn't what I had planned.
So, in the end, the pictures have been ruled off-limits to non-NEST attendees, this thread derailed in a horrible fashion but nowhere near as bad as it could have been had I posted actual pictures here, and ultimately no one is going to be happy with how this turned out. The only consolation I can offer is that it was all unexpected and accidental.
And other than that, I don't know what else to say except to PLEASE put the flame war out before it starts and chalk it up to another case of Altamont Syndrome.
I appreciate you logging in an explaining your intentions, but one thing that still bugs me is the "too bad, you should have" comment. If you're not trying to antagonize those who didn't go, you shouldn't have said that. Sorry man, that's just the way I feel.
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😕 What exactly is your goal with this post?? To get him to explain why he said what he said? Check. To point out that the wording could have been better? Check. I don't quite get it.
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You're right, he shouldn't have. He was trying to be funny, at 1am when he was tired, he didn't mean to hurt anyone. We've all said things we later regretted with no intention of harm, can you find it in your heart to forgive him?
My apologies to those who found my last comment to be needless. I initially missed the part where he offered his explanation for that comment. It seems rather buried in what is a very lengthy post. In any case, I'm not going to hold a grudge so there's really no need for me to say anything more about it.
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Seriously, is it a big deal? We all know Ted, he has a reputation in keeping his word especially when it comes to displaying photos. I've experienced 3 gatherings with the man, and never seen him do anything of the sort. It was just a joke, which is common in his cause. I have never seen so many sour puss' about NEST ever until this year.
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I don't think many can disagree with the fact there IS a clique on this site when it comes to NEST. If you look through the NEST threads, those who attend them communicate with each other through in-jokes that mean nothing to anyone not within this in-crowd reading the thread. That being said, camaraderie's a fine thing. Nothing wrong with it. We have a little thing in this country called freedom of assembly. Everyone who commented on this thread essentially is correct. The NESTs appear to be a universal hit with those who attend, and it's likely that most who don't attend are like me: We wish we could, but didn't, and we have no ill will toward those who did. However, because many of us already feel marginalized by society with our respective foot and tickling fetishes, it may simply be that it's a sore spot to see what can be interpreted as an exclusive club on a site that aims to unite those who already feel excluded from the mainstream. My suggestion to Myriads and the forum brass: A new NEST section, like the "Tickling Discussion" thread. Those who want to read about NEST can read it. Those who don't need not.
As for the photo tease, I did get a twinge of "Sucks to be you" after reading it, but I wasn't offended, just slightly annoyed.
As for the photo tease, I did get a twinge of "Sucks to be you" after reading it, but I wasn't offended, just slightly annoyed.
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what kills me if you all make it sound like NEST is the only gathering, there's GLAT, there's the gatherings in Michigan, gatherings in LA that DVNC hosts, Bellarisa's gatherings, okay theres a lot of gatherings, so I think it's bullshit that NEST is the only gathering that is smashed in the face with a baseball bat..... And you know we all do the same thing with the contribute threads of all the gatherings, so seriously grow up. I have never seen a problem with that until this year. Ya'll are a bunch of sour puss'.
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Its not the only gathering. but NEST is the biggest, especially in terms of the exposure it gets on the TMF. In the weeks leading up to and after NEST the forum has tons of threads about it, so its wide open to potential criticism.
Its easy to look at this two ways. The flaming wouldnt have been nearly as bad if it wasnt for the fact that myriads was the first to respond and condemned the way the Amnesiacs post was written, that effectively made it open season to flame.
However the thread was vague and hinted that non attendees could have seen the photos, now before someone says it, its been posted here that there was rules on privacy on the nest pics, and that none were to be posted without permission, But unless you attended or have been up to date with the NEST threads etc. You wouldnt have known this.
That then leads to the point, why was this posted in the Tickling Discussion? It should really have been posted in the NEST Forum, where it would have been seen by all the relevant people, and probably would have avoided this altogether.
Instead all the old clique stuff is being dragged up. Yet again.
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I think this thread can be summed up very simply.
Let's move on to life's next abomination.
Let's move on to life's next abomination.
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Following our the logic a little further, I suppose it would be inappropriate to post any descriptions or reminiscences of NEST. After all, if folks wonder what it's like, they can damn well attend it.
So let's keep it as secret as possible.
"Keep what secret?"
"Gee, I forget."
-- LenJo
So let's keep it as secret as possible.
"Keep what secret?"
"Gee, I forget."
-- LenJo
