Any Kilt-Fanciers?

[LindyHopper]

Trust me, they noticed. I can almost hear the whispering, "Psst. Look at that guy, he's wearing a skirt!" "*snicker*...Shhh! They'll hear you!" And so forth. Of course nobody reacted visibly. They just wait till your backs are turned, and shake their heads, laughing.

I figured you'd probably say that, but I think you're incorrect (and basically just projecting your own opinions onto everyone else). You see, I have the experience of walking around a local farmers' market in heels, hot pants, false eyelashes, etc. (it was a photo shoot for my friend's HotChixDig website). In my experience, people are not too polite to point. And stare. And giggle, stopping conversations in mid-sentence. They hardly even bother to whisper. People's reactions are really obvious when they see something that out of the ordinary. This tells me that a kilt at a shopping mall stands out a lot less than hot pants and heels at a farmers' market, which makes sense. A kilt just isn't wild-and-crazy enough to draw that kind of attention.

Riiight. So hot that until you realized my stance on kilts, you refused to allow Icy to wear his kilt in public with you. 😉

Yes, and once you showed me (thank you!) how irrational and old-lady-finger-wagging such a stance really is, I revisited my own. In the two years since this thread was started, I've seen plenty of hot men in kilts, observed that they attract a good deal of positive attention at parties, and seen that even in a vanilla public place, the average person takes little or no notice. Isn't it nice to see that at least one of us has learned something over the past two years? 😛

"New Drew" was nice while it lasted, but the old habits seem to die hard. How much more of your time is it worth to argue against arguments that refute themselves?

You're right. This is dumb. I like to give people a chance, but I think I've performed my due diligence as far as that goes. Huzzah for the ignore list! 😀

 

[drew70]

I figured you'd probably say that, but I think you're incorrect (and basically just projecting your own opinions onto everyone else). You see, I have the experience of walking around a local farmers' market in heels, hot pants, false eyelashes, etc. (it was a photo shoot for my friend's HotChixDig website). In my experience, people are not too polite to point. And stare. And giggle, stopping conversations in mid-sentence. They hardly even bother to whisper. People's reactions are really obvious when they see something that out of the ordinary. This tells me that a kilt at a shopping mall stands out a lot less than hot pants and heels at a farmers' market, which makes sense. A kilt just isn't wild-and-crazy enough to draw that kind of attention.

Maybe they thought the farmer was marketing something besides produce. 😉 Seriously though, it's not the same. You and your "hot" girlfriends were parading around, deliberately provoking attention, like clowns at a carnival. The people didn't hide their reactions because they weren't afraid of hurting your feelings or pissing off a psycho. A guy wearing a kilt at a mall and acting as if it's the most normal thing in the world is going to throw up some red flags to the average bystander. They'll either be thinking, "Oh man, the poor guy...somebody really should tell him," or perhaps something like, "OMG this dude's not playing with a full deck....just look away and pray to God he didn't notice you staring."

Yes, and once you showed me (thank you!) how irrational and old-lady-finger-wagging such a stance really is, I revisited my own. In the two years since this thread was started, I've seen plenty of hot men in kilts, observed that they attract a good deal of positive attention at parties, and seen that even in a vanilla public place, the average person takes little or no notice. Isn't it nice to see that at least one of us has learned something over the past two years? 😛

So, all it took for you to "see the light" was the realization that you shared the same opinion as yours truly. Oh the horror! I'm sorry to have to say it, but it just doesn't get any more high school than that.

You're right. This is dumb. I like to give people a chance, but I think I've performed my due diligence as far as that goes. Huzzah for the ignore list! 😀

Holy shit, now we've regressed from high school back to elementary school. "I'm not going to listen to YOU any more, so NYEAH!!" Hey Lindy, if the ignore button doesn't work, just put your fingers in your ears and sing loudly, "LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOUUU..."

 

[ticklishscribe]

The Clan Clark and the Clan Cameron here...

I Can wear all three Cameron Tartans plus the Clark Tartan and the Clergy Tartan. Yay Scotland the Brave!!!​

 

[QBWeaver]

As Terorizer said.... DVNC regularly wears a kilt during his RenFaire activities.

This past weekend I was at Sebring for the 12 Hours race. During the pre-race festivities we have the bagpipes marching down the Start/Finish Straight. The classic Irish tunes always warm my heart being 1/4 Irish thanks to my red-headed Grandfather. A proud Irishman he was indeed!

And today - St. Patrick's day was my mother's feast day since her name was Patricia. Happy Feast Day Mom!

I love the kilts and I love the bagpipes!

 

[nostradamas]

It's one thing...

to wear a kilt on St. Patty's Day or even a renfaire (that's stretching it), but to wear it to a mall like your Axle fuckin' Rose, and pretend it's just normal, is...well, pretty abnormal.

It's a costume for chrissake. Traditional dress. Get it?

It's like wearing lederhosen to church.
It screams "attention *****."

George Costanza and the Institute come to mind ... except that was funny.

 

[Redmage]

to wear a kilt on St. Patty's Day or even a renfaire (that's stretching it), but to wear it to a mall like your Axle fuckin' Rose, and pretend it's just normal, is...well, pretty abnormal.

It's funny how two words can have roughly similar meanings but such different connotations. Take "abnormal" and "unusual" for example.

It's sort of odd to see people on a fetish forum fussing about the unusual.

 

[Cave In]

Being scottish....and being a kilt wearer several times I can safely say that wearing a kilt makes people feel just as manly as they do in a suit, I wouldnt wear a kilt just to go out normally because people would think i was stupid and thats in scotland. But for a special occasion i usually always wear a kilt i do it because i feel scottish wearing it and proud to be one, Not because i want to get laid....the accent however tends to be a different story since the females love a good scottish and also irish accent

 

[Redmage]

Being scottish....and being a kilt wearer several times I can safely say that wearing a kilt makes people feel just as manly as they do in a suit, I wouldnt wear a kilt just to go out normally because people would think i was stupid and thats in scotland. But for a special occasion i usually always wear a kilt i do it because i feel scottish wearing it and proud to be one, Not because i want to get laid....the accent however tends to be a different story since the females love a good scottish and also irish accent

Out of curiosity, would a kilt without a tartan carry different connotations than a tartan kilt and all the fixin's (sporran, skean dubh, etc)?

 

[AffectionateDan]

Out of curiosity, would a kilt without a tartan carry different connotations than a tartan kilt and all the fixin's (sporran, skean dubh, etc)?

This is a fantastic question that I'd love more information on... when I invest in an authentic kilt, I'm going to have done my homework on geneology and know what my ancestral clan's tartans were.

 

[drew70]

to wear a kilt on St. Patty's Day or even a renfaire (that's stretching it), but to wear it to a mall like your Axle fuckin' Rose, and pretend it's just normal, is...well, pretty abnormal.

I wouldnt wear a kilt just to go out normally because people would think i was stupid and thats in scotland.

Thanks, guys. This is exactly what I'm getting at. I'm not dissing Scotish tradition and culture. I think it's great for Scotsmen like Cave In to wear them on special occasions that call for them.

What I find bizarre are the proponents of these Utilikilts desperately trying (but failing miserably) to assert the kilt as an trendy style of everyday clothing. Guys, they don't even do that in Scotland, where kilts originated. I watched at least 4 or 5 of those Utilikilt suckumercials and in every one of them the guy wearing the kilt looked absolutely ridiculous while the other actors and actresses around him fawn like crazy. What's really amazing are the people that are actually falling for this age-old Madison Avenue gimmick.

 

[nostradamas]

Paul Lind Muchacho

Drew: Hey, I could walk out in the middle of Times Square in a lavender tutu singing "Everything's Coming Up Roses" and my masculinity would not be threatened, though I doubt the same could be said about my reputation.


But could you sing it in your dead-on Paul Lind "im - presssh- innn", with said "rep - u - tah - shhhon" intact ?!??!?

 

[ticklishscribe]

ROTFLMAO "You're priceless"​

Hey, I could walk out in the middle of Times Square in a lavender tutu singing "Everything's Coming Up Roses" and my masculinity would not be threatened, though I doubt the same could be said about my reputation.


But could you sing it in your dead-on Paul Lind voice, with said reputation intact?!

 

[nostradamas]

It's funny how two words can have roughly similar meanings but such different connotations. Take "abnormal" and "unusual" for example.

It's sort of odd to see people on a fetish forum fussing about the unusual.

I hate to break it to you, but this is ... the general discussion forum. Hello?

Leave your, ahem... "fetish" for another platform.

For some of us, it's not all-encompassing.

And BTW, just what does your comment have to do with the current discussion... other than to divert ?


hint: this is a rhetorical question, i.e. it doesn't need answering.

 

[Redmage]

I hate to break it to you, but this is ... the general discussion forum. Hello?

Yep - the general discussion forum of a fetish website. Folks here have a mutual - and unusual (some might even say "abnormal") - interest regardless of anything else. That doesn't change just because they click on "General Discussion," whether they discuss it here or not.

And BTW, just what does your comment have to do with the current discussion... other than to divert ?

Unless your own comment about "abnormality" was a diversion mine was bang on-topic, since it followed directly from yours and pointed out the oddity of someone on a fetish forum fussing about the unusual.

All caught up now?

 

[Dussicar]

I'd still feel better walking down a busy street wearing a kilt than a black trenchcoat, wraparound sunglasses and two pistols.

Now that's the epitome of dorkimus maximi.

 

[dvnc]

Kilts? D'you mean the modern, stay-pressed zip-and-button variety or the proper great kilt of ages past? Oh, the modern ones? They're still worn. More ceremonially, in several countries INCLUDING the US, but they're work in Scotland still. Point of pride.

Can't wear your skean dubh in public in many places, mind ya. Blade that long makes folks nervous.

Gotta wear a sporran, though. Looks silly otherwise. Yeah, that's funny if you find kilts funny already. Culturally, though, it's part of what a man wears when wearin' a kilt.

Kilts DO draw attention. As QBWeaver and Terorizer mentioned, I've worn kilts in public. OUTSIDE of ren. faires I worked, I wore 'em. Hadda leave the blades behind to go to dinner, but folks are remarkably cool about such in the central valley in CA. They see such every year, mind, and we look far less silly, apparently, than the costuming of English nobility that likewise show in town to feed. THEM kids change before goin' t'dinner. Sissies. 😉

Again, though, mine's a great kilt. Means it's a proper kilt. The whole 9 yards. That's where the phrase originates. If you fold your own (a patience effort that makes ya LOVE pants), you find that you NEED 8 to 9 yards of fabric to make a proper covering. Ya belt it after, then you add your sporran and you're laughin'.

What do you wear under your kilt? Two answers.

Pride.

And boots.

Some don't wear boots.

It's a matter of desired clothing. The original kilts had more than one purpose, and were quite easy and utilitarian for their wearers. Folded right, you had full coverage for weather in Scotland.

Oh, and the tartan-being-familial thing was a later occurrence. Initially, you got what the weaver made, and thus families had similar tartans. Royals, like them rascal Stewarts (*poke*) had fancier color and pattern 'cause they could afford the better dyed wool and such. MacGregors had a simple red-and-black. Not much finance back then for 'em. Now everyone's clan had such-and-such since the dawn of Scotland. *shrug*

Now can we keep this thread on the rails? It's been derailed too much.

 

[Cave In]

Out of curiosity, would a kilt without a tartan carry different connotations than a tartan kilt and all the fixin's (sporran, skean dubh, etc)?

without the sporran and tartan it resembles more a skirt, The sporran is an essential part of the outfit, the tartan doesnt matter as much but if its not tartan its more of a designer thing and i dont like them. Most people however dont wear there family tartan as most of the time they are hired and so just where a random tartan. The full kilt outfit to buy costs upwards of £300 or 600$ so most people go with hired the main reason being that other than weddings or graduations there is little other reason to wear one, if i wore a kilt more id buy one but its just a waste if you only wear it maybe once a year if that.

I personally try to go with the same tartan when i can which is flower of scotland but generally im not overally fussed. The skean dubh's over here now are fake since its illegal to carry a blade with you so now its just plastic which is a pity since they looked alot better.

 

[Redmage]

without the sporran and tartan it resembles more a skirt, The sporran is an essential part of the outfit, the tartan doesnt matter as much but if its not tartan its more of a designer thing and i dont like them. Most people however dont wear there family tartan as most of the time they are hired and so just where a random tartan. The full kilt outfit to buy costs upwards of £300 or 600$ so most people go with hired the main reason being that other than weddings or graduations there is little other reason to wear one, if i wore a kilt more id buy one but its just a waste if you only wear it maybe once a year if that.

Yep, that's what I figured. I asked because I suspected that you were thinking of the kilt as a very specific kind of formal dress - which is what it mainly is in Scotland. You have it filed in your mind with a collection of rules similar to those that go with wearing a tuxedo - it has to be done in certain ways, with certain accessories, for certain occasions, or it's just not being done right and it strikes you oddly.

My suggestion is that a kilt can be worn in other circumstances, just as a business suit can be worn when it wouldn't be proper or necessary to wear full formal attire. You wouldn't want to wear a tartan kilt with all accessories then, though, just as you wouldn't want to wear a tux for a business suit. Different occasions, different rules, and different (but recognizably similar) garments. It might not work in Scotland, though, if the association of the kilt with formalwear is just too strong to overcome there.

 

[Redmage]

What do you wear under your kilt? Two answers.

Pride.

And boots.

Some don't wear boots.

My top two answers to that question are "Tradition" and "Lipstick." 😉

 

[Cave In]

Yep, that's what I figured. I asked because I suspected that you were thinking of the kilt as a very specific kind of formal dress - which is what it mainly is in Scotland. You have it filed in your mind with a collection of rules similar to those that go with wearing a tuxedo - it has to be done in certain ways, with certain accessories, for certain occasions, or it's just not being done right and it strikes you oddly.

My suggestion is that a kilt can be worn in other circumstances, just as a business suit can be worn when it wouldn't be proper or necessary to wear full formal attire. You wouldn't want to wear a tartan kilt with all accessories then, though, just as you wouldn't want to wear a tux for a business suit. Different occasions, different rules, and different (but recognizably similar) garments. It might not work in Scotland, though, if the association of the kilt with formalwear is just too strong to overcome there.

Actually your right i have been thinking of it in the formal sense. But its fairly normal to wear it football matches involving scotland. The tartan army as we're called have alot of diehards who make point of wearing kilts on there own way it certainly makes us stand out. the main emphasis with wearing a kilt is pride and an identification with scotland and its important for football because foreign countries become aware of us and learn that we're bloody brilliant

Also there is only one way to properly wear a kilt and thats "true scotsman" which needless to say means the kilt is the only clothing you wear on your lower body anything more and its not worth the bother

 

[dvnc]

My top two answers to that question are "Tradition" and "Lipstick." 😉

ROFL! Never COULD use the lipstick line at faire. Not a lotta lipstick-wearin' women in my guild, nor the guilds we gigged with. 🙂 Damned fine answer, though.

They're actually comfy, even in the summer. I just prefer the old great kilts to the prefolded variety that's used now. Mind ya, it's just 'cause that's what I learned to fold and wear. The modern stuff is FAR easier.

 

[Icycle]

I personally try to go with the same tartan when i can which is flower of scotland but generally im not overally fussed. The skean dubh's over here now are fake since its illegal to carry a blade with you so now its just plastic which is a pity since they looked alot better.

Should I ever get a tartan kilt, I think I'll try to get the MacEwen tartan. I am a direct descendant of the MacEwen clan, but my Scottish ancestors came over to America in the 1700s, before clan tartans were standardized, so they may never have actually worn it. Even so, I like the modern MacEwen tartan, and I appreciate at least the symbolic link to my Scottish heritage.

 

[drew70]

Yep - the general discussion forum of a fetish website. Folks here have a mutual - and unusual (some might even say "abnormal") - interest regardless of anything else. That doesn't change just because they click on "General Discussion," whether they discuss it here or not.

I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you there, Redmage. Interests often change from moment to moment. People click on General Discussion when their interest in tickling wanes. As Nostradamas rightly said, for some, it's not all-encompassing.

Unless your own comment about "abnormality" was a diversion mine was bang on-topic, since it followed directly from yours and pointed out the oddity of someone on a fetish forum fussing about the unusual.

LOL. Well if he was "fussing" as you say, than it's double on you, because you were fussing about his fussing. So in short, his "fussing" was on topic. Your fussing was off-topic.

All caught up now?

Hah. I don't know about "caught UP" but I think he's definitely caught ON to your tactics, as I have long ago. One such tactic you seem to employ frequently is that whenever you disagree with any particular criticism, you often suggest that anybody into tickling has no right to criticize behavior of any kind as abnormal. Then the condescending starts, the labeling, the innuendo, until people are browbeaten into submission. When those like myself and a few other prove to be immune to these tactics, you make a loud announcement of putting us on your ignore list, as if that somehow makes you better than us. In reality, it's actually an announcement of concession as well as an admission of the inability to handle the current discussion.

Now before somebody accuses me of going off topic here, let me bring this back to the subject of fancying kilts. I have to agree with Nostradamas, that wearing kilts as a fashion statement is definitely abnormal. Not unusual, atypical, nor different, but abnormal. The gist of all the justification for wearing them seems to be that "chix dig 'em." I've asked my wife, all three sisters, two female neighbors, and some lady friends at the office what they think of guys wearing kilts outside of a Scotish ceremony or a theme party. None of them had ever seen anybody wearing a kilt as casual wear. Many of them laughed at the idea. And finally, when asked, not one of them thought there was anything particularly attractive about a guy in a kilt.

But having said that, if a guy really wants to wear one, for whatever reason, there's no law to stop him from doing so. However if he only wears tradition and lipstick underneath, he risks indecent exposure, particularly on a windy day. If you do wear a kilt, expect people to whisper about it and to wonder if you're rowing with both oars in the water, because I'm here to tell you, that is some weird, abnormal shit there.

 

[dvnc]

I'll contest the generalization of abnormal. It's costuming, plain and simple, Drew. It's not common, so uncommon is uncontestable. In specific to your perspective, I'll agree it's not normal. Nostradamus' perspective, too.

On this continent alone, though, there's not only cops and military that wear such, but Scots who marry in such, ren. faire folk who act in such, etc.

You simply disagree with the wearing of such. This I understand from your posts.

Props to you, though, for remaining within bounds in your contention. I appreciate that, even where we clearly disagree.

 

[nostradamas]

I'll contest the generalization of abnormal. It's costuming, plain and simple, Drew. It's not common, so uncommon is uncontestable. In specific to your perspective, I'll agree it's not normal. Nostradamus' perspective, too.

On this continent alone, though, there's not only cops and military that wear such, but Scots who marry in such, ren. faire folk who act in such, etc.

You simply disagree with the wearing of such. This I understand from your posts.

Props to you, though, for remaining within bounds in your contention. I appreciate that, even where we clearly disagree.

Hey DVNC,
It's nice to see a well-thoughtout post on this appearantly volital subject.
Scottish stuff, Renfaire...like I said earlier, it's all good.

I don't really think anyone has "disagree with the wearing of such" at all.
Just kinda, chuckling, chortling, and *snort*ling, a little.

I'm willing to offer a truce:

I'll wear a kilt w/o underwear, and "hang" wit you fellas if it's gonna get me some lipstick between my boots and kilt.

We'll quaffe a few pints and sing ol' songs of yore.

We could even start a little group-within-a-group o' kilt wearin' breathren.

And I'm willin' ta bet me ox 'n plow that Drew would follow suite, or, i mean, kilt, ta reap said benefits.

Let's stop da feudin' and raise da glasses! Skoal Kilt Warriors!

ps. Until I can afford ta buy me a real one, I'm gonna make me one outta a plaid blanket 'n a stout leather belt. So no peakin' - ya cheeky monkey!