'Bush's Illegal War' Questionnaire

[BritneySpears]

Some interesting points...


'Bush's Illegal War' Questionnaire


Please answer as many of the following questions as you can, and as many with a straight face as possible. Please answer quickly as you already have all of the answers.


1. Since George W. Bush is evil, and thought by some to be far more dangerous than Saddam Hussein, could you please list the instances you are aware of where George W. Bush has ordered the murder, torture and rape of American citizens, like yourself, who oppose his presidency.

2. Could you list any sites of mass graves of American citizens ordered to be killed by the Bush administration?

3. Further, could you please list the instances you are aware of when George W. Bush has ordered the murder of members of his own family.

4. Do you feel that Saddam Hussein possessed no weapons he was specifically forbidden to have by the UN; for example, the Scud missiles he fired into Kuwait during the first two weeks of the war?

5. How do you think Saddam was able to fire weapons that he didn't have?

6. Are inspectors inspectors, or are inspectors detectives?

7. How many more months would you have given Saddam Hussein to comply with the 17 UN resolutions, passed over 12 years?

8. If you owned an apartment building, for how many months would you allow a tenant to defy you to kick him out for not paying the rent he owes?

9. If the UN, and the previous administration, were convinced Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and used that as a basis for their actions against Iraq, how do those reasons evaporate when applied by the Bush administration?

10. If the Bush administration, led by the evil GWB, lied about weapons of mass destruction in order to go to war, why haven't we found any WMD secretly planted by the Bush administration?

11. If you feel it would be too difficult to plant WMD in Iraq, because there are too many people watching, such that no one can do anything sneaky in Iraq, then why can't we find Saddam?

12. Do you disagree with the statement..."The weapons of mass destruction used in the 9/11 attacks were box-cutters"?

13. Do you think finding an airplane fuselage in a terrorist training camp in northern Iraq means terrorists were practicing hijackings? If not, for what purpose do you think they were using the airplane?

14. Knowing what little you may know about spy satellites, what do you think Iraq was hiding using the tunnel-digging equipment they bought from the French some 5 years ago?

15. Why do you think Iraq had a 'Higher Committee for Monitoring the Inspection Teams' headed by Hussein's Vice-President, and son, Qusay?

16. The fact that Iraq trained experts to foil UN weapons inspectors is documented not just by U.S. intelligence organizations, but by those of many other countries. Why do you think Iraq needed to use these tactics, if George W. Bush is lying?

17. In 1995, Iraq admitted it had biological weapons. They declared they had, for example, 8500 liters of anthrax. Where did they all go? If Iraq destroyed them, why would there be any need for more UN resolutions after that?

18. When do you think Iraq abandoned their existing Weapons of Mass Destruction program? What do you think was their motivation for abandoning it- the 17th time the UN said 'pretty please', or the fact that it was spending too much money that could used for social programs to improve the lives of Iraqi citizens?

19. Do you think the bio-weapons lab vehicles found in Iraq were being used as lunch wagons, or as mobile auto detail trucks?

20. If a terrorist organization attacked America tomorrow by spraying anthrax over a large city, would you blame George W. Bush for not doing enough?

21. Would Hillary?

22. How many minutes after the attack do you think it would take for Hillary to appear on CNN?

23. If an illegal U.S. president declares an illegal war, wouldn't the two cancel each other out?

Bonus Question: Do you think O.J. killed Ron and Nicole, or was he the victim of a massive conspiracy to plant evidence by many separate divisions of the LAPD?

 

[Haltickling]

An excellent example for the pre-war and still ongoing neo-con “PR-campaign” (=brainwashing). Let me try to answer these questions from my POV. But demagogic questions deserve demagogic answers, so beware:

1. Since George W. Bush is evil, and thought by some to be far more dangerous than Saddam Hussein, could you please list the instances you are aware of where George W. Bush has ordered the murder, torture and rape of American citizens, like yourself, who oppose his presidency.
GWB is not dangerous in that kind of way. He himself is merely a puppet, manipulated by the neo-con brains, and by the “interest groups” like oil and weapon industry. He has ordered the murder of Iraqi civilians, and he is to a large part responsible for the death of American soldiers in Iraq. His highly questionable “pre-emptive war doctrine” is a threat to world peace, setting a dangerous precedent for other nations.

2. Could you list any sites of mass graves of American citizens ordered to be killed by the Bush administration?
see 1

3. Further, could you please list the instances you are aware of when George W. Bush has ordered the murder of members of his own family.
Nobody has accused him of that. Irrelevant question. The US didn’t invade Iraq because of that issue.

4. Do you feel that Saddam Hussein possessed no weapons he was specifically forbidden to have by the UN; for example, the Scud missiles he fired into Kuwait during the first two weeks of the war?
He had Scud missiles with a range of a few miles above an arbitrarily set limit. Does that justify an invasion and prolonged occupation?

5. How do you think Saddam was able to fire weapons that he didn't have?
same question as 4, same answer as 4.

6. Are inspectors inspectors, or are inspectors detectives?
The UN inspectors are specialists for technical and scientific areas, like nuclear/chemical/biological warfare, industrial missile production etc. They are qualified for their task, and if the CIA had provided them with accurate information, they would have been more successful. The CIA was unable or unwilling to provide substantial information on WMDs, so if these weapons had really existed, the USA had sabotaged the UN mission from the very beginning. And if there were no WMDs in 2002/3, the US had lied to the world.

Let me ask a counter-question: Are US soldiers trained as detectives? Did the US intelligence agents find anything?

7. How many more months would you have given Saddam Hussein to comply with the 17 UN resolutions, passed over 12 years?
If the UN resolutions were not complied with, it would have been the UN’s place to decide over further measures. They would have done so, if the US had provided some real evidence for WMDs. But almost the whole world smelled the lies when no real evidence came forward. In no case does a UN member country have the right to start a unilateral invasion without the UN’s approval.

8. If you owned an apartment building, for how many months would you allow a tenant to defy you to kick him out for not paying the rent he owes?
A cynical question which clearly reveals the neo-cons’ world view: The USA own the world, and all other sovereign nations are just tenants in US-owned estates?

9. If the UN, and the previous administration, were convinced Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and used that as a basis for their actions against Iraq, how do those reasons evaporate when applied by the Bush administration?
I’m not sure to what time-frame you’re pointing. Are you referring to the first Gulf War which had UN-backing? In that case, Iraq may have possessed WMDs then, but not now. If you are referring to a hypothetical scenario for this year’s war, the difference is the same as between lynch justice and a death sentence issued by a court.

10. If the Bush administration, led by the evil GWB, lied about weapons of mass destruction in order to go to war, why haven't we found any WMD secretly planted by the Bush administration?
Interesting question. Maybe these ominous WMDs are needed in limbo, to justify another war against Iran or Syria to where they were allegedly smuggled by Saddam. Have you thought about that?

11. If you feel it would be too difficult to plant WMD in Iraq, because there are too many people watching, such that no one can do anything sneaky in Iraq, then why can't we find Saddam?
Referring to a wrongly premeditated answer to #10; does not apply to my answer.

12. Do you disagree with the statement..."The weapons of mass destruction used in the 9/11 attacks were box-cutters"?
The weapons of mass destruction used in the 9/11 attacks were civilian planes. I have no access to information as to what was used to hijack those planes.

13. Do you think finding an airplane fuselage in a terrorist training camp in northern Iraq means terrorists were practicing hijackings? If not, for what purpose do you think they were using the airplane?
Plane hijacking has been used before 9/11, and we have no information where the fuselage came from or what it was used for, or by whom.

14. Knowing what little you may know about spy satellites, what do you think Iraq was hiding using the tunnel-digging equipment they bought from the French some 5 years ago?
Underground shelters for planes or ammunition perhaps? Hideaways for the republican guard? A tickle-torture chamber for one of the sons? How come those spy satellites have never found WHERE the equipment was used or what was transported there?

15. Why do you think Iraq had a 'Higher Committee for Monitoring the Inspection Teams' headed by Hussein's Vice-President, and son, Qusay?
Perhaps because the UN already had expelled several US-spies in the Inspection Teams before. Anyway, the inspected party (still a sovereign state!) has a right to be present during the inspection, mainly to prevent the falsification of evidence.

16. The fact that Iraq trained experts to foil UN weapons inspectors is documented not just by U.S. intelligence organizations, but by those of many other countries. Why do you think Iraq needed to use these tactics, if George W. Bush is lying?
Misinformation and deception belong to the standard training in all intelligence services of this world, even more so in absolutistic regimes.

17. In 1995, Iraq admitted it had biological weapons. They declared they had, for example, 8500 liters of anthrax. Where did they all go? If Iraq destroyed them, why would there be any need for more UN resolutions after that?
I have no idea for how long anthrax bacteria can survive. Do you? If they were destroyed by an accident (e.g. failing air condition), would the UN have believed Iraq? If they were sold to other 3rd world countries, Iraq would never admit that. A million of possibilities, if one doesn’t restrict oneself to one explanation only.

18. When do you think Iraq abandoned their existing Weapons of Mass Destruction program? What do you think was their motivation for abandoning it- the 17th time the UN said 'pretty please', or the fact that it was spending too much money that could used for social programs to improve the lives of Iraqi citizens?
I sincerely doubt that Iraq really had an efficient WMD program after the first Gulf war. Most biological and chemical weapons were sold to Iraq by the USA anyway.

19. Do you think the bio-weapons lab vehicles found in Iraq were being used as lunch wagons, or as mobile auto detail trucks?
Another cynical question. Those lab trucks have already been proved to be unfit for the production of chemical/biological weapons, and the US media admitted that. One idea for you to ponder: Germany doesn’t have any WMDs, but we have WMD detection tanks (“Fuchs”). Maybe Iraq had WMD detection lab trucks to protect themselves from the world’s biggest WMD producer?

20. If a terrorist organization attacked America tomorrow by spraying anthrax over a large city, would you blame George W. Bush for not doing enough?
If my grandmother had had wheels, she would have been a bus… 🙄

21. Would Hillary?
see 20

22. How many minutes after the attack do you think it would take for Hillary to appear on CNN?
see 20

23. If an illegal U.S. president declares an illegal war, wouldn't the two cancel each other out?
Since when do two wrongs make anything right?

Bonus Question: Do you think O.J. killed Ron and Nicole, or was he the victim of a massive conspiracy to plant evidence by many separate divisions of the LAPD?
Counter-question: Who cooked up all those stupid questions?

If you’re really interested in more background reading about Iraq, you should read these posts:
http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34892
http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34077
http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34537

… and of course the various threads from the first few months of this year.

 

[milagros317]

Well done, BritneySpears. 🙂

 

[BigJim]

Ironic that the originator of this thread should have the initials 'B-S'.

If you think that George Bush is such a wonderful human being BS, then perhaps some required reading is in order.

The wonderful world of politics and the lovely human beings who reside there...........

The plot thickens........... It can't be true... can it?

AAARRRRRRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone who comes from a background like this and who's family qualifies as being the biggest cartel of drug barons on the North American continent qualifies as being pretty ducking fangerous in my humble opinion!

As Hal has already sucessfully ripped any other aspect of your 'logic' to shreds, I'll let the case for the prosecution rest.

Nice tone of humour though! 😀 You could go far with humour like that. Maybe you should get an agent? What about a travel agent? 😀 😛

 

[BigJim]

*late edit*

Sorry Hal, just realised that you posted a link to noe of my threads anyway. 🙂

Ta.

 

[ShiningIce]

Well done Hal. 🙂

 

[Roseblossom]

Thanks, Hal

after reading the initial post, I could do nothing but laugh in disbelief (which admittedly is better than gibbering and tearing my hair in frustration).

An excellent example for the pre-war and still ongoing neo-con “PR-campaign” (=brainwashing)."

Yet another example of the "patriotic" trance.

"Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should just support that." - Britney Spears

 

[primetime]

here's a thought to consider. i spoke with a friend who just returned from Iraq and what he told me, boggles the mind actually. he served with the Marine battalion who stormed Baghdad first. he was in that very first battalion that reached Baghdad. he told me some stories of war and i'm glad i didnt participate. but he said that there was one thing he and his battalion were upset about. they had found weapons of mass destruction and he wonders WHY the United States administration has NOT told the world they found some weapons. he says he was at the launching site where they had a truckload of missles, armed with biological weapons, armed and set to fire. he said the CIA came in, videotaped everything, took notes, briefed everyone and left.

the question is why hasnt the US government told the world about this find? i would wave this evidence in front of all the naysayers and say "i told you so!!". this is really interesting. it could be that the US government is waiting to find the "motherlode", but c'mon, they found something. anyone else have theories?

as for the weapons of mass destruction. this is for the people who doubts there are weapons of mass destruction and wonders why the US hasnt found any, i think ol' warhound himself Rumsfeld said, "we havent found Saddam or Bin Laden, but we know they exist....."

 

[Moses25]

Well done, Hal, as usual. 🙂

...they had found weapons of mass destruction and he wonders WHY the United States administration has NOT told the world they found some weapons...

Has it occurred to you that these may very well be the same weapons that the US sold to Iraq during the mid-80's?

How would that look?

"Yeah, we found a bunch of WMD's but...ah, um, they're ours."

Cheers.😀

 

[His Divine Shadow]

Hal hit the nail(s) on the head. Well done.🙂 Oh, and in response to Moses' comment, let's take Israel. (Note: I have nothing against Israel, I have nothing against anybody actually, they just happen to fit here.) Israel is practically known to posses nuclear weapons, and I am pretty sure they are not supposed to. Now, who gave them those? Answer: the USA. What if they turn out like Saddam, gone from friend to foe? Is this present destined to repeat itself? Not likely, since Israel isn't really likely to do what Saddam did. But, maybe this should be a wake-up call to the Intel sector, (No, not the computer chip maker.😀 ) that they need to stop meddling in the affairs of other coutries in such a fashon, before more of their schemes come back to burn them.

 

[primetime]

Moses, i highly doubt the weapons that were found were made by the US. you dont think the Marine battalion that found the weapons could tell if they were U.S. made or not? no my friend, these werent U.S. made missiles. if that were the case, the U.S. would have planted missiles a long time ago and "discovered" them. no, there is something more that is going on than any of us citizens will ever know.

i do find it amazing that there are doubters that Saddam possesed WMD's. think about it. why would he keep expelling UN inspectors repeatedly over the years? Iraq is a BIG country. Saddam was no fool. he hid those weapons quite well. like Rumsfeld said, "we havent found Saddam or Bin Laden, but we know they exist." why doubt if there are WMD's or not? i dont have an opinion if the US should have invaded or not, but we all damn well know Hussein had WMDs. otherwise, we would never see Hussein kick out the inspectors over the last decade, EVER. dont be fooled and think there are none.

 

[Haltickling]

here's a thought to consider. i spoke with a friend who just returned from Iraq and what he told me, boggles the mind actually. he served with the Marine battalion who stormed Baghdad first. he was in that very first battalion that reached Baghdad. he told me some stories of war and i'm glad i didnt participate. but he said that there was one thing he and his battalion were upset about. they had found weapons of mass destruction and he wonders WHY the United States administration has NOT told the world they found some weapons. he says he was at the launching site where they had a truckload of missles, armed with biological weapons, armed and set to fire. he said the CIA came in, videotaped everything, took notes, briefed everyone and left.

the question is why hasnt the US government told the world about this find? i would wave this evidence in front of all the naysayers and say "i told you so!!". this is really interesting. it could be that the US government is waiting to find the "motherlode", but c'mon, they found something. anyone else have theories?

primetime, you know I hold you in high esteem, so I have to apologize in advance for my theory on that matter, because it may offend you:

Every war creates its own legends (something like urban legends). Rumors of what the soldiers want to believe become told over and over, the details grow in monstrosity and if the story gets retold often enough, one believes that you have seen that “monster” with your own eyes. That’s nothing to be condemned, it’s a well-known fact in psychology. Nobody lies intentionally, it’s more like a mass psychosis.

That’s the psychological theory, for me a quite possible explanation of what happened. What other reasons could the CIA/government have to hide such a fact, instead of shoving it straight into the face of every disbeliever?

Okay, there is one other explanation I can think of. I mentioned it in my answer to question #10: “Maybe these ominous WMDs are needed in limbo, to justify another war against Iran or Syria to where they were allegedly smuggled by Saddam.” That’s the political theory, and I find this one rather scary.

As to the question in your second post: Why would Saddam repeatedly shove out the UN inspectors if he had nothing to hide? Well, he DID have a lot to hide. Torture chambers, mass graves, all the pomp he lives in while his people are starving.

But playing for time is an old Arabian tactic, too. Negotiate, delay, renegotiate, throw the inspectors out, let them come back reluctantly with more delay. The enemy’s alliance may crumble, the US throws out billions of dollars to stay on location, new allies may come to his (Saddam’s) side. Only Allah knows what the future brings, and He will be on the Muslim side, not with the imperialist infidels. Ask anybody who’s in business with Arabs, that’s their way of dealing with any problems. Ask them what IBM means in Arabic: Insha’allah (if Allah wishes it), Bukra (tomorrow, much wider than the Latin “mãnana”), and Ma’alesh (what can one do about it).

And of course, any sovereign state deeply resents outside interference. Imagine the public howl if the UN would demand to inspect the US production of nuclear/chemical/biological weapons!

Just my 0.02 €…

 

[BigJim]

the question is why hasnt the US government told the world about this find? i would wave this evidence in front of all the naysayers and say "i told you so!!". this is really interesting.

Possibly because it had "MADE IN THE U.S.A." written on the side? 😀


Sorry, but of bad, satirical humour there.

 

[primetime]

hey Hal, i too hold you in high regards, so this isnt a debate or anything. trust me, politics dont offend me, because hell, i'm not a politician and i dont keep up with politics. to me, it's all the same. there will always be things that EVERY government does that the general public will never know about. the US isnt above shady things, much like France, Britian, Germany, Russia, Iraq, Nigeria, Mongolia, Bangladesh, etc.....

the thing about my friend's story though is that at my job, a co-worker had a friend in the Army Rangers that was in Baghdad. without me telling him my Marine friend's story, he told me the Ranger told him about finding WMDs and the CIA coming in and filming. that's when i told him about my Marine friend's story. it was the same story. it had to take place. now the question as to why the US government hasnt told anyone, who knows? maybe it was only a small stash. if the US came out and said "we found 5 missiles!!" and nothing else, would that be a justifiable reason to attack? 5 missiles? i think the US is waiting to find a lot more. it's like gathering evidence in a trial. you want a LOT of evidence, not just a small finding. was that ever considered? plus, i think the Marines and Rangers could tell if the weapons were made from the US or not.

but for the sake of bringing up points, let's say they were made in the US. the US has said Hussein has WMDs. they never necessarily said Hussein produced ALL of the WMDs in Iraq. so, since people like to point out that the US gave Hussein WMDs during the 80's, doesnt that make the US correct in saying that Hussein is in possession of WMDs? the US armed Iraq, why cant we disarm them, knowing Hussein will use those same "US made" weapons against the US and its allies? wasnt that the point for the US invading? after all, Russia gave Iraq Scud missiles, so should we blame Russia for giving Hussein weapons that he has actually used? whether the US gave Husseing weapons or not is besides the point. so what is it? some people say Iraq doesnt have weapons, but then contradict themselves by saying the weapons were made in the US. either he has them or he doesnt. which is it?

 

[Iggy pop]

Good job Hal.

 

[Deleted member 2452]

i know 3 different people who are presently in iraq

and i've talked to them, and received e-mail from them. all are saying many of the same things, and don't know about the others who are say it.
so hal, et.al., i resent your saying they are lying, and spreading urban legend! you are so full of hate for the u.s. that you are blind to the truth!
your moto must be "my minds made up don't confuse me with the facts".
untill you are there, or know someone un-impeachable that tells you other wise, just shut the hell up! you sound like a fool.
steve

 

[Knox The Hatter]

Thanks, Hal. Much needed. I read it while my flag flapped in the autumn breeze on my front porch.
By the way...in regards to the following...

20. If a terrorist organization attacked America tomorrow by spraying anthrax over a large city, would you blame George W. Bush for not doing enough?
If my grandmother had had wheels, she would have been a bus…

Bravo! However, where I grew up the analogy was earthier: "If your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle!"

 

[Haltickling]

Thanks, Knox, that version is quite good, too! 😛

areenactor, once again you've disqualified yourself for all serious discussions. Just let me get a few things straight:

1) I don't hate the US at all, whereas you seem to hate everybody with an opinion that differs from yours. Saying I hate the US is a blatant lie.

2) Please don't confuse your own mindset with mine. I presented my explanation as a mere theory, whereas you're presenting hearsay as a proven fact. Not for the first time, you seem to make it a point to misread and twist posts you don't like.

3) Being called a fool by you is actually a compliment for me; it shows me that I'm on the right path.

Now, if you'd please get off my back, I've got more interesting things to do than to read your insults.

 

[BigJim]

the US isnt above shady things, much like France, Britian, Germany, Russia, Iraq, Nigeria, Mongolia, Bangladesh, etc.....

This brings up a good point, that I'd like to comment on. A lot of people may have construed me as anti-American from my recent posts about 9/11. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am anti-George Bush and his asssciates certainly, but that they're American is coincidence. As far as I'm concerned America isn't George Bush. It's the spirit of going out into the world and creating what you want to be in your life. It's the spirit of grabbing life by the hampton and winning. It's the spirit that made the TMF and the community itself, come into being.

Whenever anyone reads any of my comments and thinks I'm insulting them as Americans, please remember that. (In light of the request I made of you, this especially applies to you Steve.)

 

[Deleted member 2452]

Thanks, Knox, that version is quite good, too! 😛

areenactor, once again you've disqualified yourself for all serious discussions. Just let me get a few things straight:

1) I don't hate the US at all, whereas you seem to hate everybody with an opinion that differs from yours. Saying I hate the US is a blatant lie.

2) Please don't confuse your own mindset with mine. I presented my explanation as a mere theory, whereas you're presenting hearsay as a proven fact. Not for the first time, you seem to make it a point to misread and twist posts you don't like.

3) Being called a fool by you is actually a compliment for me; it shows me that I'm on the right path.

Now, if you'd please get off my back, I've got more interesting things to do than to read your insults.

dear sir, how have i disqualified myself in this "serious discussion"? by knowing and trusting people who are there, and you don't? somehow in your warped opinion that makes my statments less believeable, and yours (with no other backing than your opinions) more valuable. that is comical.

i don't hate everyone, but i don't feel i have to love everyone either. you claime not to hate the u.s., but i have never seen you say anything to praise this country. that's not twisting, or misreading, that's stating what i have seen.

if being called a fool by anyone is a complment, then you must be a court jester in your vast amount of spare time!

i don't feel i have been on your back, but since you do, i'll just sugjest you get out of the kitchen, since you can't stand the heat.
steve

 

[venray]

Gentlemen....Discussion is one thing and personal grievances another...PLEASE keep the personal stuff between yourselves and not in posts here..I do not wish to have to delete or edit every post made because they go from discussion to name calling...It's really quite silly when intelligent men can't tell the difference between the two....


Ven

 

[Deleted member 2452]

Gentlemen....Discussion is one thing and personal grievances another...PLEASE keep the personal stuff between yourselves and not in posts here..I do not wish to have to delete or edit every post made because they go from discussion to name calling...It's really quite silly when intelligent men can't tell the difference between the two....


Ven

thank you venray. i shall now pull in my horns, and avoid further discussion with hal along these lines.

steve

 

[Moses25]

Quiet, you.

$.02

Cheers.😀

 

[Deleted member 2452]

Quiet, you.

$.02

Cheers.😀

i'll figure(notice i didn't say assume) this was ment to me. to which i'll answer, lmao!
thanks moses.
steve

 

[BigJim]

Me too. 😀


*ducks to avoid bricks hurled by annoyed Mods*