Concerning Kujman + TMF probs

[quinn65]

Life goes on

Who cares whether anyone's with him or against him personally?

He's an interesting guy who has done some interesting stuff, and he has strong opinions. Clearly from Sandman's post he takes this stuff *way* seriously. It's not just a diversion for him as it is for most of us.

Like many interesting people who are accomplished in a field, he also has a big ego and a condescending attitude. That doesn't make him a bad person, it's just a not-uncommon part of the standard "interesting" package. I've lurked -- and many others have participated -- in incarnations of this community for many many years. We've seen this happen with Kuj before.

That all makes him an absolutely great community member, and a complete train wreck as a moderator. Myriads made a good choice.

There's a lot of benefit for all of us if he chooses to continue participating. If he doesn't, both sides will go on a little more impoverished. But on we'll go.

 

[unitkl]

As far as Kujman's involvement in the WTC disaster, I have always held that in the highest esteem. But to bring it up again and again (and not just by you, TG, I mean everyone who's using that as a way to defend the latest problems.

i'll have to humbly agree here. i cant count on my fingers how many times tickle gal and people like mikeM (whos sudden posts are very suspicious) bring up the subject of the WTC. those were horrible tragedies. the worst. but please stop trying to slip it in every time kujman is having personality problems. and to be honest id like to ask where did the original story of his heroism originate? who told it first? who actually saw it happen? did the person inflate what really happened into a emotional search and rescue story? i dont know. i really dont. thats why im asking. but please at least let up on the 'kuj going to the hospital' stories and the 'kuj is a war hero' stories when discussing other issues. please don't intertwine the two. thanks for listening.

 

[MN Tikl]

To MikeM

I must disagree with you on your main point: "I formally protest and request that you reinstate kujman, or the TMF loses it's greatest asset."

Your comment pre-supposes that Kujman will have nothing to do with TMF unless he is a moderator. Why should this be the case? Aren't you, in a sense, proving the point of those that agree with Myriad's decision? If Kujman refuses to participate, unless he has the power to control everybody else's posts, then that says a lot about Kujman.

I am intrigued by your comment "You will never measure up to kujman's ability or history. Neither will I or anyone." Are you saying that, because Kujman has done more for the tickling community than anybody else (a point I will concede for purposes of this argument), his treatment of others -- which borders on disdain for those who have a life apart from "the scene" -- should be BEYOND SCRUTINY?

That's not a healthy environment for the TMF. Don't you agree?

 

[qjakal]

Maze of strange tales....

And yet we keep forgetting who instigated the flames that were received....not the flamers, but the original post of Kujman, spraying the responders of that question with venom and aspersions upon their character, personality and general tolerance as people. You can keep talking about the "aftermath" and debating the fine points of history and TMF behavior all you like, but don't lose sight of the original incident that provoked all this uproar. I have (had) no axe to grind with Kujman for the most part, although I haven't cared for his tone on most posts in the past. But, that's part of the diversity of a forum, and wasn't my business to comment upon...wish the same respect had been shown to all other posters. Q

 

[MikeM]

Boy I was waiting for someone to make an asinine remark like that. Just like AMT. If you agree with a person, you ARE the person. Right?

I've been posting a long time fella. But I believe in this one guy because he's proven himself. We're all still waiting for others posting here to do the same.

As for the other twisted minds posting negatively for no reason at all and making up stories like "kujman told me to post for him" and blabity blah blah-- I don't believe a word of it and it comes out now BEHIND kj's back. Wow. What a surprise. All these rats climb out of the gutter now when it's safe to take bites. That's what suspicious. This really is AMT and not the TMF now.

Everyone knows that above all others kujman never needed anyone to speak his mind. He does so quite clearly and loudly. The reason others who side with KJ don't post is this. The TMF harbors you guys instead. The more I read your BS the more I understand what the TMF has "become".

You guys need some new twisted views. They don't hold up, really. As we used to say in Vegas, you're trying to make your point the hard way. Nothing you say makes sense or is true and everyone knows that. And I bet you're still using KJ's pictures to get excitement at the same time. So who are you trying to convince? Yourselves maybe? All you do is come across as jaded and jealous.

It takes some really great mods to allow people like kujman to be bashed behind their backs on a suppossed flame free forum. That part of the TMF name is now a joke.

To answer another remark- why does he need defending? Because duh! He's just like one of the best celebrities in our tickling world. A status he earned and others who are jealous love to destroy. As dramatic as it sounds, it happens. I don't mean the few twisted ones here posting their ongoing tired unsubstantiated BS, but I mean all over. Howard Stern, Madonna, Michael Jackson, you name the name and someone is out there trying to get them or bashing them. That's not paranoia. That's life with A-holes in it.

So dudes-- this question has yet to be answered by any of you. Which one of you smart guys posting on this thread with all your talk is now going to step up to the plate and offer what KJ did? Enough of your BS and talk talk talk. Let's see some action, some scene input, some pictures, some experience. Post that instead if you are as fantasic as you claim to be. KJ could always back up what ever he claimed. So I'm sure from your talk you can do much better.

Since you're putting him down in order to make yourself appear better than he, here's your chance to really show us all something and eliminate KJ once and for all.


Mike

 

[Ultratickler]

I've been posting a long time fella. But I believe in this one guy because he's proven himself. We're all still waiting for others posting here to do the same.

Who's "we", and what have you proven?

Anyway, Mr. MikeM, I think it's time to get off your knees and stop being such a drama queen. It seems like you're having the most fun in taking this way out of proportion.

Have a nice day 🙂

 

[Dave2112]

Are we about finished with this? I'm not even dignifying Mike's remarks with a response, but as always I support his right to say them.

As for the other stuff, we can like Kuj and still function without him as a Mod. Hey, I like Peyton Manning, but I don't want him in Congress, you know?

And as far as ANYONE being the Almighty One and Only Sole Originator of Tickling, let's get real. There are a lot of people who contribute, some more and in different ways than others. The tickling community as a whole and the fetish in particular are bigger than the sum of their parts, and will always go on.

(By the way, I'm not saying that Kujman ever claimed to be something special, that's not what I meant by that. So let's not jump on the short guy, ok?)😎

And I for one am finished.

 

[quinn65]

Changing the subject (I hope...)

I actually think Peyton Manning would do just fine in Congress. But I'd just as soon keep him as our QB, at least for a little while. 🙂

 

[Dave2112]

Fellow Colts fan, Quinn?

(Saints, Vikes, Eagles and Seahwaks here as well)

 

[QBWeaver]

"I actually think Peyton Manning would do just fine in Congress. But I'd just as soon keep him as our QB, at least for a little while."


Now I KNOW you aren't refering to me! LOL

 

[Dave2112]

Not unless you can thread one through double-coverage to a reciver on a fade route...😎

 

[Prime]

Mike..you may make a good politician some day. as for sending a quarterback to congress..i nominate chris chandler....lets only hope that he doesnt get hurt and spend 3 weeks on the congress dl.

 

[QBWeaver]

Well Dave... Those guys tower over this little lady so I ain't even gonna try that. Besides... My QB doesn't stand for Quarterback. LOL

 

[kyle]

Typical. . .

This is all too typical with online communities. I have seen it happen a thousand times. A large contributor to that community gets his feelings hurt or gets upset so he leaves. This is the biggest forum to express/share your thoughts/opinions in the tickling world. I think Kujman has let us all down and shown what type of person he really is.

 

[tklr5150]

Let's be reasonable here people.

If we're gonna send a QB to Congress it has to be either Terry Bradshaw or Jim McMahon.

Who gives a hoot about their legislative abilities, it'd make CSPN a pretty damn entertaining watch, don'tcha think? Bradshaw letting loose an amicable tirade about collect calling legislation! McMahon mooning Strom Thurmond!

And don't even get me started on The Awesome Force That Is Doug Flutie.

 

[Prime]

ok..the bradshaw idea is a good one..but as for flutie...does'nt congress have a height limit?

 

[Dave2112]

::igniting lightsaber::

Hey, let's watch it with the short jokes.....🙄

 

[Prime]

it wasnt me..it was my keyboard....its evil..it will be dealt with accordingly.

 

[dodger]

::igniting lightsaber::

Hey, let's watch it with the short jokes.....🙄

Ok, that raises an important question. Why did Darth Vadar's light saber make Obiwan totally dissappear to nothing but his clothes laying on the floor? But Obiwan's light saber chopped off peoples arms like a blade would do? And later Vadar's saber "only" cut off Lukes hand, not make him dissapear? You wanna answer that one, you who is igniting your lightsaber?

 

[quinn65]

Finally we're getting to the real issues here. I've always wondered about that lightsaber thing myself.

And you bet I'm a Peyton Manning fan (check my location!) One of the classiest guys in football, imho. I think the cosmic balance is restoring itself here in Indy from the Jeff George years.

I'm also a QB fan, but that's another matter. 😉

 

[Prime]

jeff george was the quarterback in atlanta for a while...im afraid you never truely recover from it..lol...j/k...

 

[Dave2112]

Seeing as how this is not really a tickling question anymore, I'm going to answer that in the General Discussion Forum. Check it out.😀

 

[CurtWild]

i haven`t been on since the 29th....what the hell happened here?

 

[quinn65]

Well, you see, it all started when . . . urk

::fooosh::

Sorry, all the life was just sucked out of me.


(Seriously, most of the relevant threads are still near the top of the Tickling Discussion forum. Look for stuff on m/m tickling, censorship, and Kuj).

 

[nontkl]

Scanning quickly this thread, I have to put in my measly two cents.

1.) I think no one should be made to feel bad about their sexual preferences as it is something we have very little (if any) control over. I think this board has completely surpassed all expectations from when it began (I was here when it started so I'm talking from that perspective). We have a female contingent (which is growing)....and who would have ever thought that way back when? Most boards of this nature are usually hetrosexual males.....but if someone has an interest in m/m tickling and wants to post about it, who am I to stand in their way? I have found that the more the merrier, even if our interests don't always intersect exactly! Which brings me to....

2.) Kujman, who has been a true pioneer in the tickling community since as long as I have been online, has from time to time written some really REALLY offensive, snotty, condescending posts that have enraged me enough to furiously type out angry responses, only to then delete them because I knew this wasn't a place for flames. I never saw the posts in question but I don't have to stretch my mind very far to know that he is capable of being flat out nasty, which I do not appreciate, I don't care who the fuck he is. I happen to agree with him that posting about m/m tickling is completely fine....but I also have seen him look down his nose on other areas of tickling, belittling them and other people for being interested in areas of tickling that don't seem to interest him. One thing I know was regarding mainstream material.....he made some snide comments about that which I took major offense to. Especially since I'm not into itching powder one bit, nor do I care about the art of bondage, the girl can be completely free as far as I'm concerned, I like them both, but I'm not fetishistic about ropes and knots. But hey! Who am I to squash someone elses fun?

So let's not think ONE MINUTE that Kujman wasn't capable of being intolerant of other's proclivities.......I've seen it with my very own eyes, and have even gotten so majorly pissed off about it that I actually stayed away from the Forum for a little while. More than once!!! Totally soured my experience on an otherwise friendly (though admittedly, growing a bit bitchier and immature by the day!) message board. I also think that the idea that Kujman was "the best moderator this forum ever had" (which is pretty funny since the forum is not even that old!) is ridiculous. Jeff has gone above and beyond the call of duty many a time. Mia has organized the few females on the board and have really met the needs of that very specific community (I hope it continues to grow, flourish and take on it's own, unique character!). I can go on but you get the idea. Kujman was a great fountain of info, etc etc....but I could really do without the attitude, I don't care how long you've been around and I know people who know him personally have nothing but nice things to say about him, but when it comes to writing it down and posting it, that just doesn't come through.....I mean, next to my name it says TMF Master or something......but it means absolutely nothing to me as far as being some source of personal pride! I don't think that gives me any special rights or anything!!!! "Listen to me, little people! I am Nontkl, TMF Master!!!" I SHOULD be thrown off the board if I put on airs like that!

and let's not be quick to jump to gaybashing and homophobia or even "er....when I came on the board, I thought this was for straights only....I don't want a gay man to drink out of my cup and I don't want him on my TMF either!". Just go to another post! There's plenty of stuff on this board and all you new people,all you've got to do is keep going back to the beginning of the board to catch up on all the posts you missed! You've got hours of great stuff to go through without ever having to subject your sensitive little eyes to m/m material! I mean,we don't seem to care if ladies tickle ladies or if ladies tickle guys (more of a minority, sure, but still there...), if some guy wants to tickle another guy, be he straight or gay, I don't see what the big deal is....especially when I can always skip the post if I'm not too into it (everyone marks their posts usually anyway....and what's the worse that can happen? I happen to glance and see something about a man tickling another guy? I start to question my own sexuality? I start thinking evil thoughts? I go crosseyed with lust? I mean....really! Come on! Let's be adults in the real world!)

Enough from me....no hard feelings Kujman.....I'm sure I'll get some seething email soon from you...perhaps containing a virus!