###DAMN PRODUCERS

[ZenTickling]

This really pisses me off. We all know that tickling content on youtube doesn't stay up for long, but nobody is sure why. Some stuff stays up, other clips are taken down within a few hours. Well now I know why. Producers trying to 'sabotage' the competition.

My FREE interview clip with Roxy and Amber York was reported to youtube as a violation of somebody's copyright.. by none other than the T.I.W.! That's right, Tickling-Post reported my content as a copyright violation. I don't care how much I loved his earlier work, the guy is an ass. 😡

ATTENTION

We have received copyright complaint(s) regarding material you posted, as follows:

* from Tickling-Post about Zen Tickling Interview - zenticklingprod
Video ID: W9Cj4NTNnaQ

Please Note: Accounts determined to be repeat infringers will be terminated. Please delete any videos for which you do not own the necessary rights, and refrain from uploading infringing videos.

 

[cabalist]

As an atheist, I've seen complaints from atheists posting on youtube that their videos have been pulled most likely as a result of "flagging" by rabid religious fanatics. Apparently it's purely a matter of the number of users who have "flagged" the content, regardless of how well-justified the complaint.

I also know of at least one well-known (and much-despised by some) "skeptic" whose entire "channel" was suspended because of a copyright complaint regarding a very small portion of a single one of his many videos, but awaiting resolution of this issue left all of his many videos unviewable for several days, at least, until the copyright issue over this one single video was finally resolved.

Unfortunately, in general, youtube/google seems to have a mindless "shoot now, ask questions later" attitude toward such allegations, justified or not. I assume there is some mechanism for challenging such allegations, since the above-mentioned skeptic eventually did get his channel "restored", although never having dealt with it personally, I don't know the particular "protocol" involved. But even though I've personally never bought any of your videos (or anyone else's either), for what it's worth, I sympathize with your having to deal with youtube's seemingly anything-but-fair way of dealing with such issues, although as far as I know they may not legally have any real choice.

(Otherwise, I remain as unconvinced as ever that the "broken link theory" which seems so popular here has any direct bearing on which clips are removed from youtube.)

 

[ZenTickling]

In order to dispute this I have to mail in a letter swearing that the material I posted belongs to me. Besides being a major hassle, everything would be sent to Tickling-Post.. including all my person information such as name, phone number, address, etc.

GRRRRRRR

 

[ZenTickling]

As an atheist, I've seen complaints from atheists posting on youtube that their videos have been pulled most likely as a result of "flagging" by rabid religious fanatics. Apparently it's purely a matter of the number of users who have "flagged" the content, regardless of how well-justified the complaint.

I also know of at least one well-known (and much-despised by some) "skeptic" whose entire "channel" was suspended because of a copyright complaint regarding a very small portion of a single one of his many videos, but awaiting resolution of this issue left all of his many videos unviewable for several days, at least, until the copyright issue over this one single video was finally resolved.

Unfortunately, in general, youtube/google seems to have a mindless "shoot now, ask questions later" attitude toward such allegations, justified or not. I assume there is some mechanism for yo to challenge such allegations, although never having dealt with it personally, I don't know the particular "protocol" involved. But even though I've personally never bought any of your videos (or anyone else's either), for what it's worth, I sympathize with your having to deal with youtube's seemingly anything-but-fair way of dealing with such issues, although as far as I know they may not legally have any real choice.

(Otherwise, I remain as unconvinced as ever that the "broken link theory" which seems so popular here has any direct bearing on which clips are removed from youtube.)

Did you read what I wrote? It was another producer who reported my clip, saying that it violated his copyright. The TIB, TIW, or whatever. Read for yourself: http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=W9Cj4NTNnaQ

 

[badreligion]

How the hell can it be a copywrite violation if its your clip ? !

 

[cabalist]

Did you read what I wrote? It was another producer who reported my clip, saying that it violated his copyright. The TIB, TIW, or whatever. Read for yourself: http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=W9Cj4NTNnaQ

Of course I read it. Did you read what I wrote? 😉 I realize that my observations offer little consolation or help for the situation, but I was merely acknowledging that it's fairly simple for anyone to pull that kind of thing, and probably much more difficult to get it resolved when such false allegations are made. But it seems to be the way its done. But there may be nothing preventing you from "returning the favor" later, should you consider turnabout fair play.

 

[Casey_Fairfax]

I believe the same thing happened to me on youtube last year (until someone turned me onto another site that allows uploads - I think it was Revver or similar). Every time I would try to upload a preview or free clip, a particular individual that runs a super site - or a crony of his - would pull the same garbage re: copyright, even though it's MY OWN privately filmed stuff lol. Makes you almost *not* even want to try posting free material or previews etc.

Sorry to hear that. 🙁

Casey

 

[cabalist]

While, again, it might be little consolation, I have read in the TOS or other "official" policy of some other site that such allegations which later prove false, if such appear to have been "abusive" (or whatever) on the part of the accuser, he/she would be "dealt with accordingly". While I don't know youtube's policies in this regard, for what it's worth, repeated false allegations might eventually backfire on the perpetrator, if he/she become known as a "false accuser", a la the "boy who cried wolf."

 

[Thdunne]

no doubt tiw is scared of competition

 

[herts tickler]

o dear how annoying is that??

 

[ZenTickling]

no doubt tiw is scared of competition

Apparently. His old stuff was my favorite but I now have lost all respect for him.

 

[MrInc]

No contact from him regarding this? Odd.

Did he think the claim would show up as being filed anonymously?

 

[Angel77]

Aw this sucks. Sorry to hear of this. Again, it doesn't seem fair/right for someone to claim a copyright violation on your own work?? Hopefully it gets worked out soon!!!

 

[ZenTickling]

No contact from him regarding this? Odd.

Did he think the claim would show up as being filed anonymously?

Nope. He did the same thing to two other preview clips that were posted by other youtube users.. one with Amber and the other with Nae. He's claiming both are his content.

Probably didn't think his name would show up. Now we (or at least I) know what an ### he is.

 

[TklDuo-Ann]

Keep in mind that this is not the same TIB that we all used to know and love. Someone else took things over and continued using the handle. The original TIB is a good guy who I can't imagine ever pulling that kind of BS.

 

[mabus]

Well...can anything even be DONE about this?

I used to be a big TIB supporter, his store forged new ground and had great quality, and I even supported him when the whole e-mail/forged thread thing started WAY back when, when everyone turned on him and he sold his RealTickling to Jessie and faded away...instead of just...apologizing.

Then he became TIW, started his new store which was good, but the same old same old over and over again....and then the thread bumping started. He'd bump old threads from a year ago.
Then he did it again...and again...and again....
Offering nothing new, just "Hey, aren't her feet nice?" or other meaningless drivel just to bump an old clip and get more business.

No other producer did, or has yet to use, this tactic. No one. Yaqi, Tickle Haven, Francois, Jessie.

In fact, I think some of the people who agree with his little bumps are just him by another username. You're telling me someone with a few comments, JUST discovered, out of ALL the clips posted here for the last 10 years, that they just HAPPENED to discover, ONLY HIS CLIPS, out of the scores of tickle stores, FROM, LIKE, 3 YEARS AGO?!!! They never "JUST DISCOVER" Tickle Haven's clips, or Francois, or Casey's, or the Czech clips.....Just TIW's clips? Yeah, right!

And whenever people called him out on this, the moderators would delete their posts.

This started to get on my nerves, and I realized that this guy was a damn asshole.
It broke my heart, because I had supported him all this time, I was late seeing the truth.
It also made me feel bad for all those I disagreed with way back when.
When someone has your back, you usually push them out of the way and say "I'll take it from here, thanks for the support," not run away, and come back and not acknowledge people asking if you're the same dude....
Anyone who brought the thread bumping...in a round about way, because if we acknowledged directly that it was TIW's threads, we'd be deleted...but then they were attacked and pushed aside....

I know many folks here, and the moderators, have fond memories of RealTickling. I do. But things change.

I listed his site as a dead site. I got no reaction.

He still bumps his threads.
It's a dead site.

He still hasn't apologized, after all this time, to the whole e-mail thing started YEARS ago! ...or for the thread bumping....or obviously reporting criticism to the moderators. Poeple criticize me in the political forum and in other places. Folks, my critics, I have never, nor will ever report it. I respect your freedom of speech, even if I disagree with it.

And now this crap. HE'S the one who gets all those clips banned for violations, and giving all of us a bad name.
Moderators, folks, something has to be done. Enough.
I know he was the big stuff in the old days, but now Tickle Haven, Francois, Turtleboy, Charlee, etc., etc. have created a new tickling video world and done a damn good job.
The old days of ONE company making quality stuff is gone, and on top of that...IT'S A DEAD SITE.

He can always, at any time, make this right, and stop being a jerk. He can apologize for the e-mail forgery thing from years ago. He can apologize for the thread bumping. He can actually MAKE NEW CLIPS, post them once, and let legitimate fans bump them if they wish.

EVERY other producer is working hard out there, and are too polite to resort to these absurd tactics.
Tickle Haven's Elizabeth clips kicked ass up and down the wall - you don't see him bumping her threads from two years ago every week....

 

[ZenTickling]

Keep in mind that this is not the same TIB that we all used to know and love. Someone else took things over and continued using the handle. The original TIB is a good guy who I can't imagine ever pulling that kind of BS.

The same guy that used to be the TIB is now running Tickling-Post, and he's the guy that pulled this crap.

 

[The Last Laugh]

Why do you say "Damn producers"? Plural, I mean. You're complaining about one producer in particular (quite possibly with good reason), but your original post and the title of this thread suggest that this is something several producers do. As far as I can tell, that is not the case. Why are you dumping us all in the same category?

I don't care one bit if other producers post their free previews on YouTube. I don't feel threatened by that sort of thing. Frankly, I don't even want my own free previews on YouTube or other mainstream video sites. That's because I prefer to respect the models' privacy than get a little bit more exposure (which, from past experience, doesn't really make much of a difference anyway). I regularly have to contact people to ask them to remove the clips they've posted, and it's a pain in the ass. Hell, I wish people would make them disappear for me.

 

[cabalist]

While I'm not a producer, so I can't speak from experience, my own "gut instinct" is that I wouldn't expect to generate that much business for a minority fetish in a "mainstream" venue such as youtube. Nor am I sure that I would want to advertise a fetish business there regardless, even if my work wasn't highly "adult" in nature, since it's certainly the kind of thing that appeals to "adult interests" for many, and youtube is supposed to be a "family-oriented" web site, I think. So, personally, I'm not sure that posting "fetish" clips there is really all that different than would be posting such material with children in it here.

 

[The Last Laugh]

my own "gut instinct" is that I wouldn't expect to generate that much business for a minority fetish in a "mainstream" venue such as youtube. Nor am I sure that I would want to advertise a fetish business there regardless

I have to agree with that. Some time ago I did post a number of my previews on YouTube for a while, but I didn't notice the slightest increase in sales. I also didn't appreciate all those comments by people who found such material offensive, or who were completely clueless about what it was all about, finding it silly and/or stupid. Some even thought the models were being mistreated. That's not counting the high number of thoroughly inappropriate sexual comments by people from our own community. That alone was enough to make me remove my clips, though that wasn't my only reason.

Obviously, ticklephiles are a very tiny minority on YouTube, and I would think a lot of them (possibly even most of them) are already aware of tickling sites, forums and stores. So I don't see the point of posting tickling fetish previews on mainstream video sites like YouTube, where anyone can see them, including people who really have no business watching that stuff. Frankly, I feel that fetish material doesn't belong on such sites at all.

That's in addition to the other reason I mentioned earlier, which is that I prefer to limit the exposure my models get on non-fetish sites as much as possible. I mean, obviously, when they agree to do a video they're fine with their footage appearing on relevant sites, like my own site, my C4S stores, as well as other fetish sites. But popular mainstream sites that have nothing to do with fetishes? Where anyone can see them? I think some of the models might not be too thrilled about that, even though they do understand that it's a possibility. Unfortunately, I may not want my previews on YouTube, but there isn't much I can do to prevent others from posting them. What's sad is that most people who do mean absolutely no harm by it, and some are actually trying to help, thinking they're promoting my work. I can understand that, but free previews or not, I really wish they would ask for my permission first. I mean, I wouldn't give it to them, but I would appreciate the gesture. I feel it's only basic courtesy. Besides, if I wanted my previews on YouTube, I would post them myself so as to have more control over them and to be able to present them exactly the way I want. Why on earth would I ever want a total stranger to do it for me?

 

[dusttick11]

I can totally see were "Last Laugh" is coming from. If I ran a tickling
company or fetish company for that fact, I don't think I'd want my material
posted on a mainstream site. People that are into kink will figure out
were to find the kink that interests them without it being posted on
a mainstream site like youtube.


Now back onto the topic of this thread. Let me see if I have this
straight. Tickling-Post said your material (Zen Tickling) was their
material and that you posted it without permission and violated
copyright? Is that correct?

Man that's crazy and messed up. I didn't even think
TIB/TIW was still producing material. I haven't seen anything new posted
by him in a long time. Wow, I wonder why he would do such a thing, he
always seemed like really cool guy.

 

[Oblesklk]

This really pisses me off. We all know that tickling content on youtube doesn't stay up for long, but nobody is sure why. Some stuff stays up, other clips are taken down within a few hours. Well now I know why. Producers trying to 'sabotage' the competition.

My FREE interview clip with Roxy and Amber York was reported to youtube as a violation of somebody's copyright.. by none other than the T.I.W.! That's right, Tickling-Post reported my content as a copyright violation. I don't care how much I loved his earlier work, the guy is an ass. 😡

Man that sucks lol. I'm not laughing at you, we had the same thing happen a few weeks ago. We have about the most innocuous material out there, and yet after a couple weeks everything got pulled. I imagine it was a fellow producer as well. It happens. I've seen far, far worse over the years, hard to get too worked up about it.

If this were me...if I had evidence that a third party was trying to claim copyright privilege over material I legally owned, it would be worth a phone call to my attorney. There could be a civil case to be made. Or it may not be worth anyone's time. As I understand it, asserting false copyrights is no joke if you're not acting in good faith. For these matters, youtube should maintain detailed information on the party making the copyright infringement case (they have to keep a paper trail on these matters).

Consider: what some would see as a hassle, others may view as an opportunity.

 

[Deusxlionxx]

Of course I read it. Did you read what I wrote? 😉 I realize that my observations offer little consolation or help for the situation, but I was merely acknowledging that it's fairly simple for anyone to pull that kind of thing, and probably much more difficult to get it resolved when such false allegations are made. But it seems to be the way its done. But there may be nothing preventing you from "returning the favor" later, should you consider turnabout fair play.

Im sorry, I disagree with this entirely. "An Eye for An Eye" hasn't been the relative standard since Hammurabi's time, which was way the fuck back in Ancient Mesopatamia. The fact that someone very obviously connected within our community is pulling this makes the flagging deal a little more personal, rather than just an "Im offended by this material" moment.

I used to be such a fan... though before my ultimate judgement is passed, is Tickling-Post actually here to defend himself?

 

[ZenTickling]

Why do you say "Damn producers"? Plural, I mean. You're complaining about one producer in particular (quite possibly with good reason), but your original post and the title of this thread suggest that this is something several producers do. As far as I can tell, that is not the case. Why are you dumping us all in the same category?

I don't care one bit if other producers post their free previews on YouTube. I don't feel threatened by that sort of thing. Frankly, I don't even want my own free previews on YouTube or other mainstream video sites. That's because I prefer to respect the models' privacy than get a little bit more exposure (which, from past experience, doesn't really make much of a difference anyway). I regularly have to contact people to ask them to remove the clips they've posted, and it's a pain in the ass. Hell, I wish people would make them disappear for me.

Didn't mean to lump everybody together.. I just didn't want to name one producer in the title of the thread.

As far as youtube being a 'family oriented' website, I think that's quite wrong. Within 20 seconds I found this video while doing a search for tickling : http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=4h7HD1Lt0bw

Youtube, unlike TicklingTV, reaches a more mainstream audience who may not have thought of tickling as 'sexy' before seeing a video. It does bring in quite a bit of traffic.

Im sorry, I disagree with this entirely. "An Eye for An Eye" hasn't been the relative standard since Hammurabi's time, which was way the fuck back in Ancient Mesopatamia. The fact that someone very obviously connected within our community is pulling this makes the flagging deal a little more personal, rather than just an "Im offended by this material" moment.

I used to be such a fan... though before my ultimate judgement is passed, is Tickling-Post actually here to defend himself?

I'm not going to stoop down to his level. You're right, this does seem personal. However, I don't know why he would single me out for such an attack. He's here under TickleVideoSpa, and I can't wait to see how he responds to this.. if he ever does.

 

[rhiannon]

As far as youtube being a 'family oriented' website, I think that's quite wrong.

Last time I checked it was not allowed to post any adult contect on Youtube....and tickling fetish clips ARE adult content, even though it might not be obvious at first glance.

That is the main reason why most tickling videos disappear from there pretty quickly! Youtube is indeed a family oriented website and kids can look at clips on there without restriction!

I am with "The Last Laugh" here....if I ever decided to do a tickling clip, I would not want to see that clip on Youtube where virtually everybody, my colleagues, my boss, my family, could find it, even if they don't search explicitely for "tickling'!