Female sports reporters having their harassing tweets read to their faces

[TMF Jeff]

You're like that guy David Futrelle from "We Hunted The Mammoth"

Who the fuck is David Futrelle? You really need to break out of this crazy, self-reinforcing bubble that you live in, because you are constantly referencing things that only someone as MRA-obsessed as you can identify without consulting google.

 

[Wolf]

Yeah. I just went and read the thread in full and saw it go way off the rails. My entire post regarding Twitter usage is actually irrelevant to this apparent conversation about how beta women are (as posed by one user.) Fuck all that noise. People with that mentality are for the majority stuck with that mentality. The potential of swaying their views or even having them able to say, "You know what? That makes sense. I agree with that." is akin to watching snails fuck. I'm not sure how exactly, but definitely akin to watching snails fuck.

I think I'd find snails fucking to be less slimy than some of the arguments we've seen in this thread.

 

[Wolf]

Ha! Boom. Mic drop. I've missed your one-liners, Wolf. : )

Aw, shucks. I'm always a sucker for validation.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

What I don't get is, who came up with the awful idea of making these random guys read other guys' Twitter posts? Were they paid to do this? It almost seems as if the producers of this clip are thinking, "well we can't humiliate the guys who said these things in the first place, so we'll just humiliate these other random guys as proxy."

 

[shad0w]

I don't think the intention was to humiliate the readers at all. I think it was more about the statement that people generally wouldn't say these things to the face of the one they're saying it to on the internet, and to encourage people to consider that anonymity doesn't mean the people who use the internet aren't real, and what people say here matters. However There's likely several better ways to tweak that idea and intent into something that better conveys that I think.

 

[Wolf]

I don't think the intention was to humiliate the readers at all. I think it was more about the statement that people generally wouldn't say these things to the face of the one they're saying it to on the internet, and to encourage people to consider that anonymity doesn't mean the people who use the internet aren't real, and what people say here matters. However There's likely several better ways to tweak that idea and intent into something that better conveys that I think.

Yeah...I guess we had a brief respite, but now, we're back to talking about what's really important in this issue of female sportscasters dealing with personalized harassment and threats of rape from people who know who they are:
What about the men's feelings in all of this?
I really don't know if these sentiments are because they really are such self-absorbed, whiny manbabies, or if they just get off not caring about women being victimized.
Maybe a little from column A, a little from column B...

 

[TMF Jeff]

Ya, this is one of those "Couldn't it be both?" situations.

Maybe a little from column A, a little from column B...

 

[Wolf]

Ya, this is one of those "Couldn't it be both?" situations.

True. The level of contortionism it takes to adopt the two poses of "I'm a manly man Alpha Male and women are all stupid and emotional and if you care about their feelings, you're a sissy Beta Male who only wants to get laid!" and, "Waaaah! Womenz are mean and use their feminine privilege of sex to rule the world over us poor menz!" at the same time would make the acrobats at Cirque Du Soliel absolutely chartreuse with envy.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

Guys, get a room, already!

Seriously, instead of ridiculing those with whom you disagree, why don't you guys try some reasonable discussion? I was serious when I asked the question of whose idea this was. Okay, so you hate the idea of talking about the guys in the films being humiliated. No opportunities to show your "sensitivity." I get that.

So let's talk about the women. Do you really think that it did these sports women good to sit there and endure those comments being read to them? Comments they had already read before and are now hearing them read to them in front of an audience?? That seems to me to be a really long way to go to make a point, especially one that has little to no chance of making an impact on those who tweet such things.

 

[TMF Jeff]

So let's talk about the women. Do you really think that it did these sports women good to sit there and endure those comments being read to them? Comments they had already read before and are now hearing them read to them in front of an audience?? That seems to me to be a really long way to go to make a point, especially one that has little to no chance of making an impact on those who tweet such things.

Obviously I do think it did them some good. So do they and so do the people who produced the video.

The people who make the tweets can't be reached, you'd have to kill them to change them, which frankly if I were in charge, might be exactly what happens. I despise bullies, and I particularly despise people who pick on someone more vulnerable than them.

The goal of the clip is to raise awareness among people who do have consciences. It makes me, and other non-sociopaths, more informed when I need to explain what the facts are to some poorly-informed men's rights loon who thinks women can't be charged with rape, or someone who thinks rape is an inherent male behavior.

The more people become informed about this, the more marginalized the harassers become, and the more obviously outside of the social norm their behavior is made to seem. In the long run, the hope is that it will have some kind of effect on the tone of things.

This is a pretty new thing, social media and its impact, and if you ignore this and tacitly accept it as the norm in social behavior, we're going to be stuck with it. People are going to have to learn online, just like they have in reality, that if you act out you become a pariah. We're not there yet, but the more awareness there is, the more discussion there is, the more social media platforms will build it into their system like facebook has.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

I respect your opinion as much as I can, but I think you are over-reacting. We're talking about words on a screen which you seem to find as damaging as an ass-kicking. I find this to be gross exaggeration. Words only hurt you as much as you let them. I'm convinced this kind of coddling is wussifying millennials and not doing anybody any favors. I long for the days when people had thicker skin and didn't run crying to lawyers or the media (or to hit closer to home - the moderators) whenever somebody's words made them uncomfortable. To such individuals my message would be, "Grow a pair and suck it up!"

 

[shad0w]

THAT. That is exactly why this production was made. That constant false reinforcement that what people say doesn't matter. It does matter. There isn't a reason for anyone to act out like that, and I hardly think asking people to be conscientious of others is "wussifying" anyone. Having feelings is not a weakness, and the mentality of suck it up has done more damage to people on an individual level than talking things out ever will.

Things were not better in the past, there is no "good old days." The only difference between then and now is everyone bottled it all up and pretended like things weren't an issue. That isn't a healthy way to live. "grow a pair" is no different than saying "Be a man." Aka, shut down and pretend it doesn't bother you. Being male isn't a surefire sign of strength.

 

[Wolf]

Or, assholes who get their rocks off by taking out their repressed anger, creepy attitudes about women, and social inferiority on innocent strangers and expect them to "grow a pair" could just, you know, stop taking out their repressed anger, creepy attitudes about women, and social inferiority on innocent strangers.

Nah.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

THAT. That is exactly why this production was made. That constant false reinforcement that what people say doesn't matter. It does matter.

It only matters if you let it matter. By saying it does matter, you are playing right into the hands of these trollish tweeters, giving them the power they crave. The only way to take away that power is to not care what they say, and ignore them. You've heard the saying, "Don't feed the trolls?" There's wisdom behind that. When you give credence to what they say, you empower them. And don't think for a minute that you're not giving them credence. By assigning any importance or significance to what they say, you are giving them credence.

There isn't a reason for anyone to act out like that, and I hardly think asking people to be conscientious of others is "wussifying" anyone. Having feelings is not a weakness, and the mentality of suck it up has done more damage to people on an individual level than talking things out ever will.

There IS a reason for people to act out like that. It's because they know they won't be ignored and that even people who aren't even remotely connected to the targets of their words will get their panties all in a bunch over it. And you, along with those who made this ridiculous clip are proving them right. They are probably high fiving each other watching this video.

Children need to be protected from harshness from adults. But as they grow, they need to be gradually exposed to more negativity along with the positive. They need to be occasionally insulted, called names, and forced to stand up for themselves. It's a valuable lesson to be learned. When a child doesn't experience this while growing up, and never has to deal with any harsh words, he doesn't develop that thick skinned attitude or the ability to hand the BS right back to their detractors. Instead, they become cry-babies, wailing that they've been picked on, and they look for somebody else to stand up to their detractors instead of doing it themselves.

Things were not better in the past, there is no "good old days." The only difference between then and now is everyone bottled it all up and pretended like things weren't an issue. That isn't a healthy way to live. "grow a pair" is no different than saying "Be a man." Aka, shut down and pretend it doesn't bother you. Being male isn't a surefire sign of strength.

I don't know how old you are, but I'm in my 50s, and as someone who was actually there to see it, I can assure you that it was MUCH better in the past. Granted, we didn't have all this cool technology, but at least we weren't such a bunch of sniveling whiners, crying for a "safe space."

 

[The_Darkweb]

Kinda seeing a pattern, here....it really is all about getting laid to you, isn't it? If someone disagrees with your bitter, self-pitying, hopelessly twisted view of women, they must be doing it to get laid. So it must be a HUGE issue to you. Well, that, and your Mom.

Youre not a veteran, by any chance, are you? 'Cause I am, and I don't remember anything in the Oath of Enlistment about "being sacrificed to capitulate to female needs"; I doubt any of the women I served with remember that, either.

No, I'm not a Vet, but I have a great deal of respect for people who serve in the forces. There are many ways men serve society where they die other then the military. Construction workers, factory workers, and truck drivers are all mostly men, and doing those jobs makes life better for everyone. Since women don't generally do that work men have too. Therefore they are benefiting from male sacrifice.

From the sinking of the Titanic to shootings in Aurora Colorado men have died to preserve female life, and it is never apreciated. If a guy dies protecting a woman he might be acknowledgedthe paper for a day, but men who mistreat women have documentory movies made about the. Simply because it makes more money, gets better ratings sells more books and news papers when the victim is female.

The truth is this story both exploits these women as victims while ignoring males having the same issues. I said it earlier in this thread, if you want to discuss abuse then go ahead, but be all inclusive. Somehow wanting men & women seen as equals on this topic makes me a misogynist. So when accused of this I reacted with "you're a beta male desprit to get laid". I've had sex, it's great. Sometimes it was in a relationship, sometime it was a business transaction, but I never kissed anybodies ass for it (during but never for it).

I was attacked for expressing an opinion, I never attacked anybody, I never said what happened to those women was exceptable conduct. I simply stated it would not have been news worthy if the victims were men, and that is the truth. That is sexism, that is a social double standard, and that is wrong.

Look into your heart, and you'll know in to be true.

 

[The_Darkweb]

So let's talk about the women. Do you really think that it did these sports women good to sit there and endure those comments being read to them? Comments they had already read before and are now hearing them read to them in front of an audience?? That seems to me to be a really long way to go to make a point, especially one that has little to no chance of making an impact on those who tweet such things.

I don't see how it did anybody any good except the coffers of the TV studio. It exploited those women, and shamed/humiliated those men for no reason. Simply put, good people exploited for money period.

 

[Wolf]

No, I'm not a Vet, but I have a great deal of respect for people who serve in the forces. Their are many ways men serve society where they die other then the military. Construction workers, factory workers, and truck drivers are all mostly men, and doing those jobs makes life better for everyone. Since women don't generally don't do that work men have too. Therefore they are benefiting from more from male sacrifice.
From the sinking of the Titanic to shootings in Aurora Colorado men have died to preserve female life, and it is never apreciated. If a guy dies protecting a woman he's in the paper for a day, but men who kill women have documentory movie made about the. Cause it makes more money, gets better raiting sells more books and news papers when the victim is female.
The truth is this story both exploits these women as victims while ignoring males having the same issue. I said it earlier in this thread, if you want to discuss abuse then go ahead, but be all inclusive. Somehow wanting men & women seen as equals on this topic makes me a misogynist. So when accused of this I reacted with "your a beta male desprit to get laid". I've had sex, it's great. Sometimes it was in a relationship, sometime it was a business transaction, but I never kissed anybodies ass for it (during but never for it).
I was attacked for expressing an opinion, I never attacked anybody, I never said what happened to those women was exceptable conduct. I simply state it would not have been news worthy if the victims were men, and that is the truth. That is sexism, that is a social double standard, and that is wrong.
Look into your heart, and you'll know in to be true.

So...you want credit, as a male, for the "sacrifices" other men have made? How does that work, exactly? Is there a punch card, where you get to be a creep to a woman X amount of times, without any reprisals, and then another guy has to die in order for you to get a new card? And, I hate to break it to you, but most men don't consider their work to be "sacrificing for women"...we just call it work.
Aside from someone directly giving their life for another, how do you decide who's dying for women, and not for another man, or society in general? And how do you determine who's dying for whom?
Even if I were to accept this "logic"...What do women owe you for the sacrifices of others? And how would you like to collect?

 

[Wolf]

THAT. That is exactly why this production was made. That constant false reinforcement that what people say doesn't matter. It does matter. There isn't a reason for anyone to act out like that, and I hardly think asking people to be conscientious of others is "wussifying" anyone. Having feelings is not a weakness, and the mentality of suck it up has done more damage to people on an individual level than talking things out ever will.
Things were not better in the past, there is no "good old days." The only difference between then and now is everyone bottled it all up and pretended like things weren't an issue. That isn't a healthy way to live. "grow a pair" is no different than saying "Be a man." Aka, shut down and pretend it doesn't bother you. Being male isn't a surefire sign of strength.

You mean those "good old days" when women, gays, minorities, and anyone who wasn't a white male knew their place, and had to take shit just because they weren't in charge?
Yeah...I can see why some people would be nostalgic for that, and why they're crying so hard, now that it's going away. It's tough, when you don't have anything else to offer.

 

[shad0w]

It only matters if you let it matter. By saying it does matter, you are playing right into the hands of these trollish tweeters, giving them the power they crave. The only way to take away that power is to not care what they say, and ignore them. You've heard the saying, "Don't feed the trolls?" There's wisdom behind that. When you give credence to what they say, you empower them. And don't think for a minute that you're not giving them credence. By assigning any importance or significance to what they say, you are giving them credence.

Maybe, but teaching people not to abuse others is far better than telling the abused "sorry, you just have to deal with it." That's just not an acceptable solution for anyone who is under constant fire for no reason at all.

And no one needs to be abused. That's about as ridiculous as anything else I'd seen thus far in this subject. Please don't treat kids you spawn that way. That's how the world goes to shit.

 

[shad0w]

That is sexism.

Prejudice.

 

[chicago]

Lol "Grow a pair." "Have some balls." "Don't be a pussy"

The rhetoric that furthers the idea that women are weak and men are strong is so inherent in some folk there's no way they could ever even stop to notice how they sound. Its their normal, as sad and gross as that is.

"Why do people say "grow some balls"? Balls are weak and sensitive. If you wanna be tough, grow a vagina. That thing can take a pounding." -Betty White

 

[The_Darkweb]

Lol "Grow a pair." "Have some balls." "Don't be a pussy"

The rhetoric that furthers the idea that women are weak and men are strong is so inherent in some folk there's no way they could ever even stop to notice how they sound. Its their normal, as sad and gross as that is.

"Why do people say "grow some balls"? Balls are weak and sensitive. If you wanna be tough, grow a vagina. That thing can take a pounding." -Betty White

Betty White is a wise woman.

 

[The_Darkweb]

So...you want credit, as a male, for the "sacrifices" other men have made? How does that work, exactly? Is there a punch card, where you get to be a creep to a woman X amount of times, without any reprisals, and then another guy has to die in order for you to get a new card? And, I hate to break it to you, but most men don't consider their work to be "sacrificing for women"...we just call it work.
Aside from someone directly giving their life for another, how do you decide who's dying for women, and not for another man, or society in general? And how do you determine who's dying for whom?
Even if I were to accept this "logic"...What do women owe you for the sacrifices of others? And how would you like to collect?

You are a lost cause. I give you the most straight forward explanation and you respond with jibberish. Nothing you said in the above quote made any sense r in anyway related to what I said. So I really have nothing else to say in responce.

D.W.

 

[Wolf]

You are a lost cause. I give you the most straight forward explanation and you respond with jibberish. Nothing you said in the above quote made any sense r in anyway related to what I said. So I really have nothing else to say in responce.
D.W.

I merely asked you to explain your own logic. I'm not surprised that doesn't make sense to you.

 

[The_Darkweb]

I merely asked you to explain your own logic. I'm not surprised that doesn't make sense to you.

The fact that you need me to explain something so straight forward is part of why you are a lost cause. It's not my job or responsibility to explain mysef to a white knight who preaches equaity but in actuality lives to rescue the very people he claims are his equal. You talk a good game but if you really meant it you would actually be on my side, or at the very least more to the center. Unfortunately you only find your sense of self worth in rescuing women, while ignoring/Denying the fact that men have probems of equil importants because of a misguided sense of chivalry.