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Mephistopheles said:
I still don't get why people who don't know him post in that thread. I didn't do so because i don't know him really and the words of a complete stranger don't pack any punch. Saying "Whoopteedoo, I just rode a donkey in the hullaballoo" would have as much meaning in my opinion as telling him I care. If you don't know the person it's like caring about the poor starving children in Africa.

So, to summarize, just join my new clique.
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That's an interesting point. I didn't feel qualified to post as I haven't met knot. I did feel some kind of responsibility to offer my opinion on what was happening to the thread though, and while doing that mentioned that it was a very sad situation, that I've heard nothing but good things about him, and that I wish him well.

At the end of the day if I were to make a similar post in this public forum, I would appreciate comments like that from people even if I hadn't met them. We're still a community even if we haven't actually met.
 
I hadn't been thinking of this before. But now that I have gone back, guess what? You want to talk about off topic? You want to talk about how things are all so clearly stated?

Knot Amewzed said:
I can't help, but to feel heartbroken over the recent events in my life. I have been a part of the TMF community since 2001-02, under several names. My wife, then girlfriend, knew of my fetish and she was in somewhat of an acceptance to it. I took a few years off of serious activity and just continued to lurk the forum. We have met a few couples and a few people before we got married, leading me to believe that she was starting to get into it. With her permission, I posted many videos of me tickling her under the names Jason Diaz and Jenn Sevarino in the video clip section. This further increased my hopes that she was evolving into compatibility of my tickling fetish.

We got married in September of 2007. We continued to make a few videos, but decided to take some time off; as well as I from the TMF. In October of 2008, we decided to host a small gathering where 10 people showed up. I feel that we all had a great time, but couldn't help noticing that my wife kept removing herself from the environment. Subsequently, she interrogated me on my enjoyment of the party. She kept asking me why I didn't throw the girls off of me when they were tickling me. She also drilled me on my participation with the other couples. Long and the short, she seemed to be distancing herself from the fetish and showing less support for my involvement.

My daughter was born in April of this year. I spent nearly 6 months away from the TMF to prepare for the baby and show my allegiance to my wife. Last month I started becoming active again. My wife saw me on the forum a few weeks ago and stated, "You are getting into that shit again?". I was speechless and told her that I was never away from it; just inactive. Since then, I have been given an ultimatum. Either I leave the TMF or she leaves me. She has threatened to tell my entire family of my fetish; stating that they will disown me. In addition, she states that her friends and family think that I am wrong for being a part of a fetish community. I expressed to her that I am who I am and I cannot change that. This has been extremely emotional for me; I am not confused, just emotional. I know that someone who wants me to change is not out for my best interests.

I would never cheat on her, never intend to hurt her, and will never forget her for she was my best friend and the mother of my child. I will love her to death and seeing myself without her brings me to tears. I have made my decision to stick around and continue to be a part of the TMF. I need you guys more than ever right now. Thank you all for your support.
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Reading comprehension skills are extremely important. I saw crystal, venray, and how many others just lambasting people for giving advice, using this crutch that the guy WASN'T looking for advice. That he's looking for emotional support. That he has lined out for posters what kinds of posts he wants to see.

He explains his situation for the audience. He doesn't tell you to only post him in support of his decision. He doesn't say "I don't want to hear your advice" He says nothing of this sort IN his original post. Had more people actually gone back and read this, they might not have gotten on this bent about this "WELL THIS IS WHAT HE WANTS" deal.

Here are the original poster's other messages.

Knot Amewzed said:
Everyone - Thank you so much for your support...I sincerely appreciate it all.

Perhaps, I should supplement my original post some.

These issues started before she became pregnant, so postpartum depression is most likely not the cause for her retaliation and disapproval. Furthermore, the only time that I am active in the forum is when we are apart (i.e. work etc..THAT IS IT). When we are together, my wife and my daughter receive 100% of my attention. If you want to check my posting history, you will find that I do not post past 6:30 PM and very very rarely post on the weekends. I do all of the cooking, I am the only one that cleans the house, and I take on more than my share of responsibility to run a household; none of the abovementioned should be in question.

Like mentioned, I am here to build friendships and maintain the one's already established. She wants me to give up my friends claiming that they are all "fictional". She never wants me to see anyone from the forum ever again stating that "this is cheating". I love her with all of my soul, but please tell me how it is acceptable for someone to give another human being an ultimatum regarding friendships?
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Knot Amewzed said:
That is what is making this so emotional for me.
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We have one post where he actually actively questions people to reason out their responses to his situation. So, I suppose going in this direction isn't necessarily all that much in poor form because he put the wheels in motion to do so.

The thing is, Knot didn't ask to get treated with kid gloves. And the reality is, I don't think that people in that thread had axes to grind with him. It is this mentality from a close group of people who tried to turn what was actually a very intriguing thread into either a place to put the screws to people, or silence this fearful dissenting opinion. Had people actually read what the OP put up, people would realize that this exacting ability that people want to clutch to is a complete fabrication. A construction in their mind.

And the sad part is, people took it wholesale. I don't even know if it matters because of thought processes like this:

CrystalLight said:
I don't really think this is a fucking debate. The guy's looking for support, not posts broken down to the very last sentence and then picked apart.

C'mon.
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You know what? Part of reading what is before you is breaking down what you see. The reason is so that people can understand what they are reading. Because, if you aren't breaking down what is being written by someone, then you certainly stand to have people come in and try to decipher what exactly it is you are supposed to be seeing.

The entire thread somehow became a hardlined "those supporting need only apply" thread around the midway point, when his friends started seeing that people were very puzzled by what they saw.

We have another thread which was closed which actually gave explicit instructions to the audience as to how he wanted to see responses. Guess what? There was an overwhelming feeling of "he got what he deserved". Within twenty-four hours, no less.

You want to make this thread and somehow make this effort to champion the good and just of moderation in a public domain forum, be my guess. At the very least, don't do what so many people here seem to do and make their actions look so two-faced and self serving to a minority.
 
I think when you post a thread, not a blog or private PM, about something happening in your private life on a public forum, you're going to get feedback no matter what. People are going to post their opinion, advice they feel like sharing, and so on. I think people have that right to do so.

Until posts become insulting and GR violations, I don't see the problem.

I find it funny that everyone BUT Knot has decided what Knot was trying to say in that thread and the direction that HE wanted it to go in, while he has yet to chime in.
 
Why is it when someone finally has their actions broken down to them, suddenly it because a situation where people get all "RUN AWAY THIS THREAD IS TOO HOT TO HANDLE"?
 
meangry said:
Why is it when someone finally has their actions broken down to them, suddenly it because a situation where people get all "RUN AWAY THIS THREAD IS TOO HOT TO HANDLE"?
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Who's running?
 
Rofl I havent "lambasted" anyone in years.....

not even a real lamb...
 
Actually I take that back as I pretty much "lambasted" Mitch in the P & R forum earlier....


Sorry Mitch....
 
AnnieHall said:
I think when you post a thread, not a blog or private PM, about something happening in your private life on a public forum, you're going to get feedback no matter what. People are going to post their opinion, advice they feel like sharing, and so on. I think people have that right to do so.

Until posts become insulting and GR violations, I don't see the problem.

I find it funny that everyone BUT Knot has decided what Knot was trying to say in that thread and the direction that HE wanted it to go in, while he has yet to chime in.
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word. Knot's away for the weekend. When he gets back and sheds some light on what he specifically means by support (if he has the time and mind after what a derailment that thread turned into), hopefully we can put this debate to bed?
 
Radiohead 7140 said:
word. Knot's away for the weekend. When he gets back and sheds some light on what he specifically means by support (if he has the time and mind after what a derailment that thread turned into), hopefully we can put this debate to bed?
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If everyone was to go back and read the original post of that thread, they would see that he never says "I only want support" or "The purpose of this thread is support only" or anything like that. In fact, what he says is "I need you guys more than ever now, thanks for the support."

I saw the thread as being open for opinion and advice moreso than just people repeatedly saying "You'll be in my thoughts," or whathaveyou. Of course, when Knot comes back, if he comes back, he can explain the intended purpose of that thread to everyone.
 
Discussions occasionally go off topic; never let it be said a discussion is a straight and narrow path to be strictly followed. Sometimes, this expansion of the topic is beneficial, for adding new ideas and insights to a discussion often brings good to the topic.

That being said, let us not forget that threads are made for the purpose of discussing a particular topic, not just any topic. To drive discussion off into the rough is not constructive and, above all else, this forum and the discussions within it exist to be constructive.

Take this thread. Why this perpetuation with the very sort of tangential budding it sought to address? To illustrate a point? To inflate the ego? To feel important or proud of knocking down and detracting from a worthwhile topic? Such a waste. Better served is the time spent making constructive posts and comments that further a topic. To seek extraneous expansion or, worse, to provide for it only invites moderation and bitterness with time. No one is served, least of all those behind the aimless branching.

In the end, I suppose, this manner of active derailment and intentional divergence makes for nothing more than
A tale
Told by an idiot,
Full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
 
AnnieHall said:
when Knot comes back, if he comes back, he can explain the intended purpose of that thread to everyone.
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He will be back, in about 12 hours, and he will confirm that he was, in fact, looking for support. I kind of thought it was clear with title being "looking for emotional support" and phrases such as "I've made my decision" and "I'm not confused, just emotional," as did many others, but whatev. He'll come in and say his piece, and few if any of the people who were wrong will say, "Sorry we misunderstood." Instead they'll say he should have been more clear, or it doesn't change their opinion, or whatever, which is fine. To each their own. He got what he was looking for from the people he needed it from. Everyone else...(insert mod-friendly version of "fuck off").
 
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