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He will be back, in about 12 hours, and he will confirm that he was, in fact, looking for support. I kind of thought it was clear with title being "looking for emotional support" and phrases such as "I've made my decision" and "I'm not confused, just emotional," as did many others, but whatev. He'll come in and say his piece, and few if any of the people who were wrong will say, "Sorry we misunderstood." Instead they'll say he should have been more clear, or it doesn't change their opinion, or whatever, which is fine. To each their own. He got what he was looking for from the people he needed it from. Everyone else...(insert mod-friendly version of "fuck off").

I don't agree with people getting crazy in that thread. But I think those who responded have a right to express themselves in ways other than "ily x 200000" When you post your personal life on a public forum, you automatically open the topic up for discussion. Free speech and all that, as long as it's not violating the rules of the forum. If he only wanted people to assure him that everything would be ok or that they had his back, he should have kept his story to PMs or a private blog.

There really is nothing wrong with people stating their opinion as long as they can be civil about it.

It's just weird how many people are speaking on behalf of Knot, and so vehemently.
 
I don't agree with people getting crazy in that thread. But I think those who responded have a right to express themselves in ways other than "ily x 200000" When you post your personal life on a public forum, you automatically open the topic up for discussion. Free speech and all that, as long as it's not violating the rules of the forum. If he only wanted people to assure him that everything would be ok or that they had his back, he should have kept his story to PMs or a private blog.

There really is nothing wrong with people stating their opinion as long as they can be civil about it.

It's just weird how many people are speaking on behalf of Knot, and so vehemently.
Again, just because something isn't breaking the rules doesn't make it appropriate for that specific moment.

What's weird about it?
 
Again, just because something isn't breaking the rules doesn't make it appropriate for that specific moment.

What's weird about it?

I think people giving their genuine advice and opinion to that thread without nasty comments is completely appropriate.

It's weird because what Knot wanted in terms of responses to his thread was obviously unclear (or there wouldn't be two ridiculously long threads debating this right now) because he said nothing specific in his OP about "I only want support" or even what he meant by "support" and yet there are a bunch of people who are posting as if they are the authority on what Knot meant to say.
 
* trying so hard to resist …*
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* no use in trying to resist …*


ILY so hard right now AnnieHall :bubbleheart:
 

I think people giving their genuine advice and opinion to that thread without nasty comments is completely appropriate.

It's weird because what Knot wanted in terms of responses to his thread was obviously unclear (or there wouldn't be two ridiculously long threads debating this right now) because he said nothing specific in his OP about "I only want support" or even what he meant by "support" and yet there are a bunch of people who are posting as if they are the authority on what Knot meant to say.

It was made very clear, several times what he wanted. I happen to know exactly what he wanted because I've spoken to him at length about this thread before, during and after he posted it.

This is not a question of some people being confused. It's people who like the sound of their own voice so to speak. There are only about half a dozen people on that side of things, so apparently his OP wasn't as unclear as some have suggested.

And even if you DO want to argue that it was unclear that he didn't want advice or opinions, fine. Rob, Ray and Jo all gave opinions and advice and nobody jumped on them. Do you know why? They understand the concept of tact and presented their opinions and advice in a respectful way. The people who were assholes are the people who said, "Welcome to real world" and "you're ridiculous for choosing a forum over your family" and suggested that he will be absent from his daughter's life because of this.

It's been made abundantly clear that this is not a family vs forum issue. The TMF is but ONE example of a much bigger issue. But because people are quicker to post than they are to read, not everyone understands that.

Just because this is the only issue being presented here does not mean it's the only issue that exists.
 
It was made very clear, several times what he wanted. I happen to know exactly what he wanted because I've spoken to him at length about this thread before, during and after he posted it.

This is not a question of some people being confused. It's people who like the sound of their own voice so to speak. There are only about half a dozen people on that side of things, so apparently his OP wasn't as unclear as some have suggested.

And even if you DO want to argue that it was unclear that he didn't want advice or opinions, fine. Rob, Ray and Jo all gave opinions and advice and nobody jumped on them. Do you know why? They understand the concept of tact and presented their opinions and advice in a respectful way. The people who were assholes are the people who said, "Welcome to real world" and "you're ridiculous for choosing a forum over your family" and suggested that he will be absent from his daughter's life because of this.

It's been made abundantly clear that this is not a family vs forum issue. The TMF is but ONE example of a much bigger issue. But because people are quicker to post than they are to read, not everyone understands that.

Just because this is the only issue being presented here does not mean it's the only issue that exists.

That may be true, though I think most would rather hear Knots intentions and feelings from himself, rather than a bunch of other people because I mean, how many people can really speak on his marital issues aside from his family?

I am confused by all of this actually. I don't see how people expressing their opinions and giving advice in a civil matter is a problem. Actually, if it was, I think there'd be more mods involved at this point. Like I said, people being assholes about it isn't something I agree with, but you can't censor what people can and can't say (as long as it doesn't violate rules) once you post a thread on a public forum.
 
That may be true, though I think most would rather hear Knots intentions and feelings from himself, rather than a bunch of other people because I mean, how many people can really speak on his marital issues aside from his family?

I am confused by all of this actually. I don't see how people expressing their opinions and giving advice in a civil matter is a problem. Actually, if it was, I think there'd be more mods involved at this point. Like I said, people being assholes about it isn't something I agree with, but you can't censor what people can and can't say (as long as it doesn't violate rules) once you post a thread on a public forum.
People giving advice and opinions in a civil manner is not the problem. Like I said, the people who did that were never addressed about it, because it was never an issue.

People can absolutely be assholes without requiring mod intervention. It happens here aaaaaaall the time.

Knot WILL weigh in on this when he comes back online. He doesn't come on the TMF on weekends because that is time that he spends with his wife. As he stated, he only uses the forum when she's not around so as not to take away from his time with her.

And you're right - you can't censor what people say - you shouldn't have to. As a forum full of adults, we should be able to do that for ourselves, and most of us can. There are just a few who seem to lack that ability, and it's those few who start shitstorms like this.
 
People giving advice and opinions in a civil manner is not the problem. Like I said, the people who did that were never addressed about it, because it was never an issue.

People can absolutely be assholes without requiring mod intervention. It happens here aaaaaaall the time.

Knot WILL weigh in on this when he comes back online. He doesn't come on the TMF on weekends because that is time that he spends with his wife. As he stated, he only uses the forum when she's not around so as not to take away from his time with her.


There were definitely some off color posts there, especially TicklesFemales one and probably some of TonyInMyThroat's as well.

Though I think part of the problem with this argument is people being a bit too defensive on Knot's part since he's away and can't post himself at the moment.

Some people being assholes in a thread are easily ignored, but because of people arguing semantics, those assholes' responses are now highlighted.
 
There were definitely some off color posts there, especially TicklesFemales one and probably some of TonyInMyThroat's as well.

Though I think part of the problem with this argument is people being a bit too defensive on Knot's part since he's away and can't post himself at the moment.

Some people being assholes in a thread are easily ignored, but because of people arguing semantics, those assholes' responses are now highlighted.
I don't think anyone would have had a reason to get defensive if people had just been polite in the first place - not blindly agreeing, but polite. It's not too much to ask.

I think this is about where we're going to have end up agreeing to disagree.
 
It's nice to know that an entire community of literally thousands is supposed to know what you and your friend talked about as being the linchpin. Especially when said person didn't explicitly state it when they went public.

Just another reason why he should have kept his marital problems between him and his friends rather than an entire community. We wouldn't even be here talking about this if it were the case.
 
And yes, that’s my opinion; are you prepared to tell me I’m not entitled to that (though I doubt I’m alone)?

Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and most of them stink. Although everyone is entitled to there own opinion, its all a matter of what you do or don't do with it.
 
There were definitely some off color posts there, especially TicklesFemales one and probably some of TonyInMyThroat's as well.

Though I think part of the problem with this argument is people being a bit too defensive on Knot's part since he's away and can't post himself at the moment.

Some people being assholes in a thread are easily ignored, but because of people arguing semantics, those assholes' responses are now highlighted.
Don’t make me retract that ILY post!
 
It's nice to know that an entire community of literally thousands is supposed to know what you and your friend talked about as being the linchpin. Especially when said person didn't explicitly state it when they went public.

Just another reason why he should have kept his marital problems between him and his friends rather than an entire community. We wouldn't even be here talking about this if it were the case.
We also wouldn't be here if people would spend a little more time reading and a little less time trying to sound smart. It was stated several times what he wanted and didn't want, and that there was more to the situation than what was in the OP.
 
This thread only served to further the drama, which is unfortunate, because I think the guy has enough.
 
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and most of them stink. Although everyone is entitled to there own opinion, its all a matter of what you do or don't do with it.
Thanks for the support Homer, but I’m not really sure this warrants an “ILY so hard” post.
 
We also wouldn't be here if people would spend a little more time reading and a little less time trying to sound smart. It was stated several times what he wanted and didn't want, and that there was more to the situation than what was in the OP.

No, we wouldn't be here unless people like you hadn't made it a point to get super defensive and try to shout above everyone else. Gang mentality is a bitch when it goes both ways, but some people were actually provoked into problems with people not even really related to the situation.

The biggest problem isn't the situation now. It's a group of select people who were so willing to make anyone who even became remotely quizzical about his choice sound as though they were the biggest assholes in the known universe. And then, some of those same people buried another member of this forum with eight pages of GR violations. Sketch wasn't right, but the fact is, he got torpedoed by the same people who tried to act as though they were just gentle lambs in another thread. As if they somehow have to beat back this impending rush from a foreign horde to defend their brother.

If this is supposed to be the loving, all consuming community people join so they don't feel harassed, it would be nice if some of the same principle players would adhere to their own schtick. MTP Jeff said that Drew70 loved the old west style of former forums, but couldn't operate under those lines in the TMF. Well, it would be nice to know that other members would, you know, not operate in this place as if they were bootleggers during Prohibition.
 
Just another reason why he should have kept his marital problems between him and his friends rather than an entire community. We wouldn't even be here talking about this if it were the case.

So you were forced to post?? Because Knott decided to post publicly meant you had to put in your opinion or even had to read it?
 
The biggest problem isn't the situation now. It's a group of select people who were so willing to make anyone who even became remotely quizzical about his choice sound as though they were the biggest assholes in the known universe. And then, some of those same people buried another member of this forum with eight pages of GR violations. Sketch wasn't right, but the fact is, he got torpedoed by the same people who tried to act as though they were just gentle lambs in another thread. As if they somehow have to beat back this impending rush from a foreign horde to defend their brother.

Right. Here we go.

I've said earlier in this thread and I'll say it again; Some things people say affect people differently, so they respond. -- Maybe you do need to take Lyz's advice and start reading what people are writing a little better.

Since you've subtly taken to calling me out right here: Those situations were entirely different and don't even come close to merging at all. They each warranted different forms of response. -- By my own form, nothing got hostile for me until the mention and perceived BS about a rape scenario was presented.

You couldn't just leave this thread alone and also were dissatisfied with my level of response away from forum that you took to calling me a hypocrite and then running off, so now you're here trying to cause shit to come down... why?

Since when do you even care about the majority of this forum population? The only thing that is keeping you coming back to post in here is because it has a potential to be blown up.
 
So you were forced to post?? Because Knott decided to post publicly meant you had to put in your opinion or even had to read it?

Were you forced to respond the post I just made?

You still seemed to do it anyway though...
 
Right. Here we go.

I've said earlier in this thread and I'll say it again; Some things people say affect people differently, so they respond. -- Maybe you do need to take Lyz's advice and start reading what people are writing a little better.

Since you've subtly taken to calling me out right here: Those situations were entirely different and don't even come close to merging at all. They each warranted different forms of response. -- By my own form, nothing got hostile for me until the mention and perceived BS about a rape scenario was presented.

You couldn't just leave this thread alone and also were dissatisfied with my level of response away from forum that you took to calling me a hypocrite and then running off, so now you're here trying to cause shit to come down... why?

Since when do you even care about the majority of this forum population? The only thing that is keeping you coming back to post in here is because it has a potential to be blown up.

What I pointed out to you is simple: you tell me I need to read closer here because, in doing so, I will somehow understand the inherent emotional response she has and maybe, just maybe, I will agree with it. However, when people looked at his post, you're the first to tell people not to look at it close enough as to pick it apart.

I pointed out that response not as a personal attack on you, but rather, to illustrate the point. To continue to show that when there is a record of what people are saying, they should be held accountable for it. Don't get it crosswise though; this isn't a majority of people who frequent this forum. It's a group of maybe twelve who has this built in superiority complex because they go out and meet each other at gatherings. You can see the distinction made by Lyz herself when she says this:

I think it's important to make the distinction between logging onto an internet forum to get your rocks off and wanting to be part of a community, create friendships and maintain those friendships.

The vast majority of people who come here come here to read stories, watch clips, cyber, tickle-flirt and the like. Then there are those who come here to create real-life bonds, and that is what this particular situation is about. A man wants to have friends - his wife doesn't want him to have these friends. The entire situation is deeper and more detailed than how it appears in the OP.

Now if not for those stories, arts, and clips, guess what? This community would be less than five hundred people. You have a small grouping of people who post in one cross section of the forum and, bottom line, they act like they run the thing. That they are the reason TMF exists. Whatever a group of people wants to do, or wishes to do, is for them to decide. Knot made a personal situation into something of the public record. He didn't explicitly state what he needed in his thread. Instead, it's from the mouths of others. Even if it IS what he wanted and he comes on here and says it, it wasn't there to begin with. So acting as though the topic somehow veered off topic because some people came around stomping their feet about what a terrible decision he was making (something NOBODY did, by the way) is completely and utterly asinine.

And on the personal anecdote line, I wouldn't call it so much as running away as putting you on my block list. I wasn't going to get stuck in a circular argument with someone I, at one time, expected better from. You are a hypocrite in this. Either you can accept that or make yourself believe you are not. That choice is on you.
 
Really????

I've been off the TMF now for almost two months, I come onto the GD, and the first topic is this??

Really???

Sad.

Through harsh realities of life, and the gaining of life experience, hearing what you don't want to hear from a faceless stranger is not the most damaging thing in the world.

Grow some ballz.
 
However, when people looked at his post, you're the first to tell people not to look at it close enough as to pick it apart.


As much as I appreciate the power you feel this weird need to place upon me, I do not have the power to sway someone's opinion.

And, it seems to me that you're the first one to do that, if you want to play that game.



I pointed out that response not as a personal attack on you, but rather, to illustrate the point. To continue to show that when there is a record of what people are saying, they should be held accountable for it. Don't get it crosswise though; this isn't a majority of people who frequent this forum. It's a group of maybe twelve who has this built in superiority complex because they go out and meet each other at gatherings. You can see the distinction made by Lyz herself when she says this:


Just like the same superiority complex that keeps you coming into threads and making sure we're well aware that you have an English Degree? You're really not one to sit here and talk about complexes or GR violators or even hypocrites.

What about the numerous hiatuses you were supposed to take? What about the apologies that you made that were proven false and fraudulent shortly after? What about those?

I was speaking in two different contexts towards two different situations. If that makes me a hypocrite, then so be it. But you are the last person to be throwing around titles such as that.
 
Really????

I've been off the TMF now for almost two months, I come onto the GD, and the first topic is this??
Wow! Has it been that long already? Were you on a Walkabout?

No worries though, you haven't missed anything of significance.
 
Girlfriend was evicted. I decided to move out of home, we've both been in and out of the scummiest emergency accomiodation for the last month and a half, but now we have moved into our own place. Phew.

Anywayz, that's off topic...back to the topic...staying on topic...
 
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