Girl Flips Off Judge.. Gets 30 Days..

[Mitchell]

I just read a story from Florida where an 18 year old girl was in court on a charge of.. Posessing Xanax. OMG, big crime. Apparently, there was an exchange between the judge, and the girl, both Hispanics, of a couple of "Adioses". The girl's Adios rubbed the judge the wrong way, and caused him to double his original order of the amount of her bail. Then, as the girl was leaving the court room, she gave the judge the middle finger, and he jailed her for 30 days.

Supposedly, after all of this, the girl appeared before the judge again, and he said that he would drop her jail sentence, if she completes a drug treatment program.

Did anyone else hear about this? I saw a video of it posted.

 

[The pear]

Yes, I heard about this from a video on YouTube. It also showed the actual video tape footage of the incident.

I fully agree with the decision actually, she got arrested for drug possession, and she clearly still hadn't learnt her lesson, or she wouldn't have been such a dumb bitch in the courtroom, and to flip off a judge is just ignorant and frankly, idiotic.

I hope she learns a valuable lesson in jail.

 

[Bothersome]

Haha. This was on the news tonight.

She should serve some time in jail. Maybe that'd set her spoiled ass straight.

 

[Dandy Jack]

I saw it on CNN...

She is just young...

We all have done dumb shit...

He who has not

has yet to be born!!!

Patience

Dandy Jack!

 

[Bothersome]

I saw it on CNN...

She is just young...

We all have done dumb shit...

He who has not

has yet to be born!!!

Patience

Dandy Jack!

Well, this isn't like a parent scolding a child for smoking pot when said parent was a total weed junkie way back when.

I have never flipped off a judge. In fact, the number of times I've brazenly disrespected someone of authority can be counted on one hand, and even those never amounted to anything more than a sarcastic remark.

I can judge this girl. She did something that goes above and beyond what is expected from the young and naive. While she had the decency to at least apologize for the action, I suspect that this was more due to her lawyer urging her to save herself some jail-time than actual regret at the action.

 

[Dandy Jack]

Well Maybe you can Judge Her...

But I myself

Have done all kinds of dumb shit...

Example...

I have wrecked a lot of cars...

A young man with a sports car is dangerous...

So I understand...

When she gets older

she will understand

And when she does

Then she will be able to snatch the pebble from the master's hand!!!

It is at that time she will know perhaps the lessons you already know!!!

She may learn through pain and suffering...

Whatever the process

We all learn

Dandy Jack!

 

[rhiannon]

In Germany you will be fined for flipping off anybody, leave alone a judge! Insult is illegal here.

 

[Mitchell]

What the girl did was stupid.

I've been before judges before, at my parents divorce trial/hearings. At least one of them shot his mouth off, telling my mom she "might have to have a comedown in lifestyle" without even hearing the evidence. Simply put, I felt like I wanted to smack the son of a bitch, because he was more acting like my dad's lawyer, than an impartial judge. I waited until he was finished speaking, and then respectfully approached him, and said "Your honor, with respect, I ask that you please hear the evidence, before making such a statement". His balliff looked like he wanted to come after me. The judge looked up at me, and said "You'll be heard". I then retreated, and quickly left the courtroom. My mom was afraid the judge was going to hold me in contempt, just for saying that, but luckily, he let me go.

Unfortunately, judges have very wide discretion. Many of them ARE on power trips. It's often dangerous to even question a judge, as one doesnt know what they are going to do. The girl asked for her own trouble, and if he had held to his sentence, I really wouldnt have felt sorry for her.

 

[The pear]

The fact that this was overturned is outrageous, anyone in a right mind knows not to flip off a judge, it's a blatant disregard for someone of great authority.
Now that all she has to do is pay $5000, her parents will probably pay the bail, she'll get off scot-free and continue to be a spoilt little bitch and end up right back in the same place with a worse charge.
Horrible decision, jail would have taught her a lesson.

 

[Mitchell]

I just watched the whole video again.

When the girl said "Adios", and the judge doubled her bail to 10k from 5k, I think that may have been an overreaction on the judge's part. The girl and the judge are both Hispanic, and "Adios" is simply Goodbye in Spanish.

However, she could have tried to reason with him to get him to lower her bail again, or requested another hearing at a later date. When she gave the judge the bird, that is blatant disrespect., Even though it was later overturned, she should have gotten at least some jail time for that, a week or two.

I've never seen a case like this before. The girl was very lucky.

 

[The pear]

I just watched the whole video again.

When the girl said "Adios", and the judge doubled her bail to 10k from 5k, I think that may have been an overreaction on the judge's part. The girl and the judge are both Hispanic, and "Adios" is simply Goodbye in Spanish.

However, she could have tried to reason with him to get him to lower her bail again, or requested another hearing at a later date. When she gave the judge the bird, that is blatant disrespect., Even though it was later overturned, she should have gotten at least some jail time for that, a week or two.

I've never seen a case like this before. The girl was very lucky.

I think it was more the way she said "Adios", she said it in an extremely disrespectful and sarcastic way, I agree with the decision from the judge, she acted as though she didn't want to be there throughout the whole thing, clearly disrespecting where she was, what she was there for, and who she was speaking to.

She could have been diplomatic and just accepted the original fine, but she decided to be a complete bitch about it... She'll probably be back in a court room very soon to be honest.

 

[voided9]

Well, if you're going to that stupid and blatantly disrespectful, it's going to have consequences. Hopefully she learns from this.

 

[WorkInProgress]

When you're in court, if you give the judge the finger, all bets are off. In fact, I can see how saying "Adios" was a bad move, for the simple reason that it represents familiarity, acting equal and casual with the judge rather than deferential. (Same principle if she'd said "Bye-bye" in English.) When you're in court, you defer to the judge, and that means honoring a host of rituals and protocols consistent with that deference. You may not know all those protocols, and you may make some forgivable mistakes in the process, but flipping the bird is the ultimate extreme of something you just don't do.

 

[Mitchell]

I just watched a Youtube clip of Stuart Varney's talk show from earlier this week.

Mr Varney had a guy who was a former judge on as part of a panel. According to this judge, Mr Napolitanio, the judge in this case went overboard. Mr Napoitanio felt that the judge should not have doubled the girl';s bail just for the "Adios", which, in his view, as I've said, is simply "Goodbye" in Spanish. Mr Napolitanio felt that the judge overreacted, and was on a power trip. Mr Varney felt that the girl showed blatant disrespect for the judge she was before, but, according to Mr Napolitano, the judge brought on his own problems, and this whole thing, by overreacting. I happen to agree with his view.

 

[WorkInProgress]

I can see that point, but let me say this: If you're ever in court, and a judge misconstrues something you said and unjustly punishes you for it, making a quiet exit and sending the judge a respectful note explaining your intentions and apologizing for any hint of disrespect which may have been perceived is at least a little bit more likely to get good results than flipping the judge the bird.

 

[Mitchell]

If I was in the girl's positiion, I would have left the court room quietly, even if the judge doubled my bail for the Adios, and then probably gone home, found out who the judge's superior was, and contacted them about the whole issue. if one feels they are wronged by a courthouse or judge,. there are other ways to deal with it as opposed to getting yourself into further trouble at a hearing.

 

[Bothersome]

Well, being brazenly disrespectful to someone of authority and then expecting there not to be consequences is simply irresponsible. It's life planning like that that'll prevent you from holding a job for more than a month, let alone starting a career.

If anything, that Judge was doing her a favor; trying to squash out a bad habit before she actually got out into the real world.

 

[The pear]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPdAnj16Vj8

Pretty much sums up my opinions on this.

 

[kis123]

I just want to know where in the LAW does it state that if a young girl says "adios" that it's okay to double her fine? I would also like to know in the law where it's okay to excessively punish someone who "disrespects" a so-called judge after he blatantly bullied her in open court?

Now if anyone can show me the LAW that backs him up, then I'll back him up. Otherwise he's just another black-robed coward and bully to me. If he was right, why did he back down and take the sentence away? Why?? Because he was wrong and he's the one who didn't exercise control in his own courtroom. He let a high twentysomething aggravate him to the point he used his position of power excessively, plain and simple.

Judge Napolitano was absolutely on point.

Was she stupid? Yes. Should she have flipped off the judge? No, I wouldn't say it was one of her good ideas. But she wouldn't have done it if he didn't get pissy over the word "adios." Yes she was looking for some familiarity and I might have too if in her situation (with her situation being young, stupid, and high in front of a judge and a room full of people). But he reacted like a sandbox toddler in a black robe IMO and I see these people in courtrooms do it every day. He's supposed to know better........the black robed thugs running things in my city have made a complete mockery of the law and don't deserve the respect of a dog, let alone another human being.

And they should've waited for her to sober up before she was brought before the judge in the first place. Plenty of mistakes for everyone that day, not just the woman in question.

 

[jhop220]

I just want to know where in the LAW does it state that if a young girl says "adios" that it's okay to double her fine? I would also like to know in the law where it's okay to excessively punish someone who "disrespects" a so-called judge after he blatantly bullied her in open court?

Now if anyone can show me the LAW that backs him up, then I'll back him up. Otherwise he's just another black-robed coward and bully to me. If he was right, why did he back down and take the sentence away? Why?? Because he was wrong and he's the one who didn't exercise control in his own courtroom. He let a high twentysomething aggravate him to the point he used his position of power excessively, plain and simple.

Judge Napolitano was absolutely on point.

Was she stupid? Yes. Should she have flipped off the judge? No, I wouldn't say it was one of her good ideas. But she wouldn't have done it if he didn't get pissy over the word "adios." Yes she was looking for some familiarity and I might have too if in her situation (with her situation being young, stupid, and high in front of a judge and a room full of people). But he reacted like a sandbox toddler in a black robe IMO and I see these people in courtrooms do it every day. He's supposed to know better........the black robed thugs running things in my city have made a complete mockery of the law and don't deserve the respect of a dog, let alone another human being.

And they should've waited for her to sober up before she was brought before the judge in the first place. Plenty of mistakes for everyone that day, not just the woman in question.

It may have been the way she said "adios" along with the laughter. She deserve contempt of court for the gesture. You can't do that kind of stuff. Doubling the bail was a bit much though I agree.

From what I understand....she had the bond reduced after another hearing where she agreed to attend drug rehab.

 

[kis123]

It may have been the way she said "adios" along with the laughter. She deserve contempt of court for the gesture. You can't do that kind of stuff. Doubling the bail was a bit much though I agree.

From what I understand....she had the bond reduced after another hearing where she agreed to attend drug rehab.

She needs drug rehab.......not 30 days in jail because she flipped off a judge that aggravated her while still high. They never should've brought her in front of a judge and she wasn't sober.

She is young, high, and dumb........what is his excuse??

 

[Bothersome]

She needs drug rehab.......not 30 days in jail because she flipped off a judge that aggravated her while still high. They never should've brought her in front of a judge and she wasn't sober.

She is young, high, and dumb........what is his excuse??

No, she shouldn't have gotten arrested for being high.
The rest is a direct result of her being irresponsible.

You can't just give someone a free pass with the excuse of 'oh, they're just young'. No. That has to end. It's perpetuating this self-entitled mindset in this last generation of kids that they can get away with whatever the hell they want because of their age.

As far as I'm concerned, the day you turn 18, you're officially accountable. I'd even argue for younger. Anything you do past that date is done with you as a knowledgeable, consenting adult.

The judge showed a fairly large lapse in judgement by overreacting like that, but that doesn't mean his actions were unwarranted; just too extreme. Personally, I think a hefty serving of community service would have been much more appropriate.

 

[kis123]

No, she shouldn't have gotten arrested for being high.
The rest is a direct result of her being irresponsible.

You can't just give someone a free pass with the excuse of 'oh, they're just young'. No. That has to end. It's perpetuating this self-entitled mindset in this last generation of kids that they can get away with whatever the hell they want because of their age.

As far as I'm concerned, the day you turn 18, you're officially accountable. I'd even argue for younger. Anything you do past that date is done with you as a knowledgeable, consenting adult.

The judge showed a fairly large lapse in judgement by overreacting like that, but that doesn't mean his actions were unwarranted; just too extreme. Personally, I think a hefty serving of community service would have been much more appropriate.

I didn't say she shouldn't have gotten arrested; I said she shouldn't have been before the judge and a room full of people and still high. How can she really give a plea under the influence and it be taken seriously or legitimately? No reason why they couldn't have waited for her to sober up before going before the judge.

His actions were excessive abuses of power over the bench and I'm glad someone called him on it before he stood to catch a case of his own. That would've been a slam dunk on appeal to any lawyer asking the same questions in the LAW that I did earlier. It's common sense knowledge not to piss off a judge, but it's NOT against the law.

 

[Bothersome]

I didn't say she shouldn't have gotten arrested; I said she shouldn't have been before the judge and a room full of people and still high. How can she really give a plea under the influence and it be taken seriously or legitimately? No reason why they couldn't have waited for her to sober up before going before the judge.

His actions were excessive abuses of power over the bench and I'm glad someone called him on it before he stood to catch a case of his own. That would've been a slam dunk on appeal to any lawyer asking the same questions in the LAW that I did earlier. It's common sense knowledge not to piss off a judge, but it's NOT against the law.

I agree that they should have let her sober up before going into a courtroom. I also agree that the judge abused his power.

However, where we disagree is where the blame is being laid here. While the judge DID overreact, that girl needs to learn respect. Respect is a fundamental part of living in our society. The judge overreacted, but I don't fully blame him. That doesn't excuse it, as he should have a better temper than that, but that doesn't mean that it was something surprising or shocking, given the girl's attitude.

It's not illegal for a kid to mouth off to a teacher, but that doesn't mean that the teacher can't send the kid's ass to detention for it. The girl was in the judge's courtroom, which is the legal equivalent of a teacher's classroom. His house, his rules. A certain amount of respect for someone of significantly greater authority and social standing is expected, and there are consequences for those who fail to present that respect.

 

[kis123]

I agree that they should have let her sober up before going into a courtroom. I also agree that the judge abused his power.

However, where we disagree is where the blame is being laid here. While the judge DID overreact, that girl needs to learn respect. Respect is a fundamental part of living in our society. The judge overreacted, but I don't fully blame him. That doesn't excuse it, as he should have a better temper than that, but that doesn't mean that it was something surprising or shocking, given the girl's attitude.

It's not illegal for a kid to mouth off to a teacher, but that doesn't mean that the teacher can't send the kid's ass to detention for it. The girl was in the judge's courtroom, which is the legal equivalent of a teacher's classroom. His house, his rules. A certain amount of respect for someone of significantly greater authority and social standing is expected, and there are consequences for those who fail to present that respect.

It's neither his court or his rules; it is supposed to be a court of law and the rules of law are the only ones that should be considered. He is an appointed official and nothing else. He is to apply the rules of law to the situation and NOTHING is supposed to be taken personally. If he cannot operate under those rules, he needs another job.

I am not in agreement with what she did, not at all. If it were my daughter, I probably would've caught my own case for slapping her upside the head for being stupid! However, I'm looking at this from a different perspective; the judge did not have the right to abuse his power over the bench at the actions of a snotty kid. He was just as immature as her except he is about 30+ years her senior in a position of power and authority. He gets no free pass from me at all.

You say you are tired of youth being used as an excuse; you'll appreciate that statement in another 20 years when you look back at some of the dumb things you did simply because you were young and knew no better. I am tired of perceived authority abusing power because they can. In the last three years I've seen magistrates and judges behave like sandbox toddlers when they don't get their way. I've watched a judge rule in favor of the plaintiff because he didn't like the defendant's counsel. The law clearly stated what was the correct way to rule, but he ruled based on his personal feelings and not by the law. The same thing happened to the woman in the video; it got personal and he used his power on the bench to harass her. He should be as ashamed of himself as she should be.

I don't want to turn this into a dead horse argument, but just because he/she wears a black robe and sits on a bench doesn't give rights of ownership. Judges are to apply the rules of law to a situation and it's supposed to be done with no respecter of persons. That clearly didn't happen in this incident.