How do tickling video producers recruit models these days?

[Strannixx]

I agree. And I'm glad that the community condemns it just like me. Apparently, someone is scared to death to say to the model’s face that he (or she) is a fetishist and filming something like this, I can still understand that. Or probably it is not filmed for sale, just for themselves.
But of course this does not justify the lies in the ads.
Guess the only way to find out is probably to call and ask directly what they are filming lol

 

[Jezebel Lee]

I agree. And I'm glad that the community condemns it just like me. Apparently, someone is scared to death to say to the model’s face that he (or she) is a fetishist and filming something like this, I can still understand that. Or probably it is not filmed for sale, just for themselves.
But of course this does not justify the lies in the ads.
Guess the only way to find out is probably to call and ask directly what they are filming lol

Oh. Plot twist!

 

[Sussur]

I’d recommend suicidegirls.com, most of models have link on instagram

 

[The Last Laugh]

Apparently, someone is scared to death to say to the model’s face that he (or she) is a fetishist and filming something like this

If that's the case, they really shouldn't be doing this, and not just for ethical reasons. Even if they manage to fool some models, other candidates are bound to realize something's fishy. Even the models who end up participating without being fully informed may eventually start questioning what it was all about (especially if they share their experience with other people), look more deeply into it, and eventually get the "producer" in trouble. Why would anyone put themselves in such a situation? I can't imagine deliberately creating this awful sword of Damocles over my own head. So stressful. And stupid.

Interestingly enough, the models I work with almost never ask me if I have a tickling fetish. I guess most of them just assume it's the case (for obvious reasons) and don't feel like there's any point in asking. Or they feel it's too personal/awkward a question. Either way, as long as they're well aware what the videos are for and are comfortable participating, it really doesn't matter.

Those few times when a model does ask me the question I'm perfectly happy to admit that I do find tickling appealing. It's really not a big deal. If a model ever reacted poorly to this, well, you'd have to wonder what she was expecting and why she even considered participating.

Of course, I realize that the issue isn't just being shy about admitting to having a fetish. It's also about trying to trick people into doing something under false pretense, as they might not be willing to participate otherwise. And that's just gross.

 

[ticklemates]

I struggled with finding models as well. Tried instagram cold messages but it is too time consuming and got me no results (and almost lead to an account ban due to constant dms).

Managed to find a way to get next door type girls through a controversial instagram method i figured out. My instagram method involves spending some money, although not much but it got me pretty good results with minimal work on my part. I just had to vet the girls to pick the right ones. (Right now testing a similar method for tiktok too).

If any producer is interested i could explain the method privately. PM me for any request

 

[kingmaker]

Golden advice :
The reality is that you need to show some artistic work.

Take pictures/videos (regular ones) of some friends, then you will be able to do same with models.

Then when you have something to show that you have some skill, you will be able to contact any girl, and if they see your portfolio you will look legit.

I'm not telling you to deceive people into thinking they will shoot a portrait and then you tied them up, of course.
I'm just saying that you need a profile showing something that you put things out there, that you have skills, etc ...

Skill attract people, if they admire your work, they will want to work with you, and even for low pay.

Just ask yourself why 90 % of the producers have a background as a photographer
And then ask yourself why most of the fetish models have a regular modeling background, lol.

Fetish models don't come from the sky, especially pre pandemic, no one was coming and be like "hey I want to have my feet tickled for money".
Producers are the ones creating the models in this fetish economy.

 

[vackor58]

In the facebook there are lots of model groupes.

 

[TickleSlaveinTn]

I found and still find models from a regular modeling website. I also happened to find someone willing on Instagram, but Instagram deleted my ticklish accounts and I stopped looking for models there and writing to them. Of the 20 models I will write to regarding the session, potentially 8 are interested. It often happens that out of the number of people willing, 2-3 models will change their mind and they will not want to perform. The main problem in this fetish industry is touching, which scares most models, and the fact that many girls consider making tickling clips to be just porn. It all depends mainly on the approach of a given model. Another issue is remuneration. Many of my models receive PLN 1,000 ($250) for their performance.

Polish Tickling Producer

Polskie Å‚askotanie
https://www.clips4sale.com/studio/122933/
https://genuinetickling.com/vendor/polishtickling/
https://www.loyalfans.com/polishfeetandtickling
https://www.instagram.com/polishticklingstudio_ /

$250 is good money. I'm assuming that's for 30 minutes? They should be glad to come back and do more

 

[TickleSlaveinTn]

Hello everyone,

I haven't done any shoots in a long time, in part due to the pandemic, but I'm thinking of starting again. However, I'm aware that the modeling world has evolved and that the old methods of recruitment may not be as effective as they used to be.

When I got started over 20 years ago I mostly posted ads on billboards on the nearby campus (where I went to college myself). Potentially interested people would tear bits of paper with contact info. It worked well enough for a while. But it's been an eternity since I've used that method, and consideing how things are nowadays it seems like a really bad idea now. Hell, even back then, after a few years I eventually got a call from campus security who got a number complaints from people who found the ads suspicious/inappropriate. They asked me to stop, and that was it. Somewhat understandable, but considering the fact that the vast majority of people on campus were technically adults I wish they had allowed the students to make up their own minds. Oh well.

Later I placed a few ads in newspapers, but this also doesn't sound very wise anymore (or even possible?), and I was never very successful with that method anyway.

I also did some direct approach work from time to time. That is, spotting potentially interesting candidates and approaching them under circumstances that I felt were as harmless and non-intimidating as possible. Parks were my main "hunting grounds". This method had the advantage of allowing me to actively select people that I thought looked nice, had pretty/interesting feet and/or seemed to have a pleasant/playful attitude. Unfortunately, it can also be more awkward and intrusive than less direct methods. I didn't have much success with it anyway. It was tricky back then, even a bit risky, and I can only imagine that it's a lot worse nowadays.

I dabbled with personal ad sites like Craiglist, but a few people used them to do horrible things, ruining it for everyone. As I understand it, personal ads for such gigs were banned years ago.

For a long time my main source of models was a model-photographer site called Model Mayhem. It goes without saying that most models didn't become members to do commercial fetish work. It's not ideal for this purpose, and my success rate wasn't very good. In fact, most didn't bother to reply at all (which I found somewhat unprofessional, to be honest), despite what I think was a very transparent, polite and professional approach on my part. But it was simple and convenient, and I was able to send offers to enough models that I eventually managed to hire enough of them for my needs.

Model Mayhem still exists, but it seems almost dead now compared to how it used to be. It seems barely any new models join the site anymore, and most of those that still have accounts hardly ever bother checking them. I understand that this is to be expected. Sites like OnlyFans allow models to do their own thing. Models that are still interested in working with photographers/videographers use social networks for communication. And people tend to be more careful these days, which limits their willingness to work with people they don't already know.

I very recently tried sending a large batch of gig offers to a bunch of models on Model Mayhem, just like in the old days. Back in the day I was already used to not hearing back from a lot of them and having many more politely decline my offers. But it is so much worse now. Out of about 30 offers sent over a couple of days I only heard back from 2 or 3.

All of these factors are perfectly understandable. But they do make it significantly more challenging for me to find new models. Now, to be perfectly honest, I don't intend to change my methods in a major way. I don't think I'll be doing this for much longer anyway, so I don't feel the need to "get with the times" that much. Especially considering that I already have a lot of unreleased footage.

That being said, I am very curious to know how other tickling producers recruit models for their videos in these social network, post #MeToo days. Have they adapted to new methods and are having a decent level of success, or are they struggling to find models?

I'd like to mention that I did give social networks a bit of a try recently. In particular, I contacted a few models on Instagram. They're all people I've been in touch with before, or even worked with before, and as far as I know I'm on good terms with all of them. Despite that, none of them even replied at all. I can't imagine it will be any easier with models that don't even know me. Maybe I just got unlucky, but I don't find it encouraging at all.

Also, I find it challenging to figure out if a person on Instagram, Facebook/Meta, etc. is 1) local, and 2) interested in working as a model. Some make it more obvious than others, but I have to do a lot of research for very few results. How hard (or easy) is this process for other producers? I guess some have managed to build a solid enough network that it's easy for them by now.

I remember when you first started. Always liked your stuff. The stocks where the girls were laying on their back was pretty unique.

 

[Szerli1987]

$250 is good money. I'm assuming that's for 30 minutes? They should be glad to come back and do more

No. PLN 1,000 is for a 4-5 hour session

 

[Szerli1987]

I mean… tricking people into starring in wank material, without them knowing exactly what they’re getting into, isn’t cool. Informed consent is key.

This is another option that I did not touch on, why in Poland (Bangladesh/Mexico Europe) girls do not want to appear in such clips. The ones that have occurred to me know that guys will get aroused by the sight of them and their reactions to tickling.

 

[kingmaker]

No. PLN 1,000 is for a 4-5 hour session

That's the issue I think ... usually I get models for 2 hours, if they are 2 it will be 3 hours.

250 USD for me ... The model has to do topless at this rate ... (and foot worship)

There is something that will help you, as I did it also this year :

• take all your sales and cost data since the beggining
• Make a spreadsheet per clip and per session, and update it frequently.

- then you will have a very clear picture about what sells or does not (which models, positions, etc ...)

When I did it (6 years after starting ... ) I was shocked. But most importantly, it gives me data when I negotiate with a model.

For example, we are discussing a second session with a model, I have some idea what she will sell.

She says she is ok for topless ? I look at all my topless clip sales, cross reference with her sales, and I calculate the benefits/ risk balance.

It's exactly thinking like a producer in Hollywood :

You want to make a movie about cowboys, with these actors and this budget ? Let me check the box office of the last 10 years ...

I went crazy with a few shoots this year, but I am glad I did because it gives me data about things I did not do before, so I know how much I can spend on a similar shoot in the future.

Note :
Should all your hiring decisions be data driven ? No. But they should be data aware.
When I take valuable time with a model to do something with "dirty feet", I know it will not sell very well because none of these clips made much revenue, but it's fun for both me and the model and that's valuable to me.

 

[Szerli1987]

That's the issue I think ... usually I get models for 2 hours, if they are 2 it will be 3 hours.

250 USD for me ... The model has to do topless at this rate ... (and foot worship)

There is something that will help you, as I did it also this year :

• take all your sales and cost data since the beggining
• Make a spreadsheet per clip and per session, and update it frequently.

- then you will have a very clear picture about what sells or does not (which models, positions, etc ...)

When I did it (6 years after starting ... ) I was shocked. But most importantly, it gives me data when I negotiate with a model.

For example, we are discussing a second session with a model, I have some idea what she will sell.

She says she is ok for topless ? I look at all my topless clip sales, cross reference with her sales, and I calculate the benefits/ risk balance.

It's exactly thinking like a producer in Hollywood :

You want to make a movie about cowboys, with these actors and this budget ? Let me check the box office of the last 10 years ...

I went crazy with a few shoots this year, but I am glad I did because it gives me data about things I did not do before, so I know how much I can spend on a similar shoot in the future.

Note :
Should all your hiring decisions be data driven ? No. But they should be data aware.
When I take valuable time with a model to do something with "dirty feet", I know it will not sell very well because none of these clips made much revenue, but it's fun for both me and the model and that's valuable to me.

Thanks for the advice. I'll definitely check it out. 2 hours is definitely not enough to shoot a few clips. I usually need 4-5 hours max, because I also have to prepare and sign a contract (consent form), a break (for a cigarette or a visit to the toilet), a change of frames, and immobilizing the girl.

 

[kingmaker]

Considering what you shoot I don't know how you can be so slow. Plus You have only 1 camera and a massage table. How many scenes you do in 4/5 hours ?

First : they must take their break when you do setting up. if you shoot 2 models at the same time you can have one tickler (resting) and one ticklee alternate.
Second : Use easy straps, prepare in advance and have a timed plan. When you see you took too long for a scene, you can adapt by combining some
Third : Contracts and payment should not even be included in the time. It takes 5 minutes.

I'm not saying you need to rush, but some models they like to do it quickly.
If you tell them it will last a whole afternoon, of course they will think it's a hassle and ask you more money. You are missing on a lot of models that want to do easy money (2 hours of my time only for just geting tickled ? easy)

Last thing you should consider :

Long shoots are tiring : You will make mistakes, the models will get less sensitive, and even bored. Focus on quality. It's best to have 2/3 good clips than 5 mediocre ones.

And if it's a model that is easily available, keep ideas for next shoots. If you get like an american model and it's a once in a lifetime opportunity : ok, shoot as much as you can.