How would you react if you recognised somebody in a fetish vid?

[Oddjob0226]

Because you're not exploiting your body for sick bastards to beat their cocks into submission over.

Unbelivable, I know, but some people do it because they enjoy doing it, rather than exploiting themselves, money involved or no. Reading Romeo & Julet is art but watching it performed on stage is sick? Stuff and nonsense.

And beating cocks - as well as stroking clits - that's not sick, that's stress relief. That's safe sex. That's someone exploring a fantasy one cannot explore personally at that time and place despite the desire being there (safe in the knowledge that someone, somewhere, at some level, "gets" him/her).

That's not sick - that's life on planet earth... It's sick if it's done in the pizza buffet line.

And it takes talent to make a video watchable.

If I recognized someone, I'd want to contact them. But I'd leave it alone. That's their biz. If we did conenct somehow it would have to be naturally, through the coursings of the river of life.

 

[Amnesiac]

One of the reasons the topic is contentious is because there's still the stigma and practice of porn/sexually-charged material being substandard in quality to mainstream work.

AnnieHall's right, that writing worth a damn requires talent, but the same CAN be said of video material...it's just that efforts are few and far between. Writing only requires a medium, a stylus and time to be rendered; film requires at least 100x more work than that, and as the work increases, so does the COST. That's why a lot of porn sucks, because they're trying to get it done fast and cheap and so they don't put a lot of work into it. Bella and Natural, and me and Slacker had this discussion at NEST about production values, and inevitably the topic got drawn off to whether titillating material could even be capable of higher standards and whether it was worth it.

Well I look at the porn world today and see movies like Upload, Pirates I & II, Nurses and I think "yes." It's just that it's difficult to establish a standard when money is in flux. Also, audience attitudes are a huge factor as well...a big-budget pron might not make as much money as a cheap one because the audience might not want to view a porn with plot...but is that because people don't WANT it or because people aren't USED to it? The jury is still out.

Ultimately the trick is the same: make the porn and the non-porn segments equally entertaining and you might set a new precedent. That's analogous to writing because you're putting equal amounts of effort into all factors instead of just half of it.

After all, method actors can generate amazing performances based on authentic reactions and feelings, so why couldn't a fetish model be both a good actor and an authentically ticklish person? I think both could happen, but it would not be an easily reproducible scenario.

 

[Skipadeedoodah]

I'm far too lazy to quote all the things I'm replying to, so here's just a few short points I want to make.

1.) I do understand where you guys are coming from, worrying that your job isn't a job because it doesn't feel like work, but I don't think you need to suffer or hate your job in order for it to be something you can proud of. I love my job, and although every day isn't peaches and cream, I enjoy it immensely even on the bad days. I would vehemently disagree with anyone who tried to tell me that what I'm doing is any less noble because I enjoy doing it.

2.) I have to agree with Bella that while any shmuck can make porn, any shmuck can write a story, too. It takes the talented ones to make a product that the audience will appreciate. And both audiences are have members who will be just as pleased with a shitty product (fake laughter/HHHHHHHHAAAAAAAA) as they would be with a well-done product, so neither can really say that one audience is less demanding than the other. (I don't think anyone said that here, though.)

3.) To bring it all the way back around the OP, something a liiiittle bit like this happened to me. I used to go to the sex ads on craigslist all the time for our nightly entertainment, and once I found a man who was not only a friend of my sister's, but also an adjunct professor at my college!!! He had an ad up for a good time with a few good men I laughed hysterically and showed it to Michael (who was sitting right next to me), but other than that I kept it to myself. No use embarrassing the guy.

 

[ViperGTS]

I'd look her up and ask her if she wants to do a video with me, too.

 

[chicago]

If I felt my stories here would negatively affect my career, I would most certainly have them taken down. And when I express my opinion here, it's my opinion and reflects how I feel, not others or how they feel. I believe there's a difference between writing erotica and fetish videos. I don't think I'm alone in that opinion. Either way, it doesn't really matter.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

wtf is going on with you lately, man.

I don't feel that I exploited any ounce of myself when I did the video with Bella, Viper, Cassi and Sapphire. I don't think anyone did.

Noone was naked or licking snatch or sucking titties, ect. -- It was a room full of friends tickling friends while someone video-taped. Whatever.

 

[chicago]

Again, I was stating my opinion. If you feel differently, that's great. I shouldn't affect your opinion or decisions on the matter. I just know, it's not something I could do for a number of different reasons and I know even if I felt like it was a good idea at the time, I would regret it in the future. I also know if I were to find out that someone in my family that I care about were in a fetish / porn video, I would be saddened by it. And that's it. I think we can all still get along despite my disagreeing with peoples' chosen professions, hobbies, or whatever you want to call it.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

Again, I was stating my opinion. If you feel differently, that's great. I shouldn't affect your opinion or decisions on the matter. I just know, it's not something I could do for a number of different reasons and I know even if I felt like it was a good idea at the time, I would regret it in the future. I also know if I were to find out that someone in my family that I care about were in a fetish / porn video, I would be saddened by it. And that's it. I think we can all still get along despite my disagreeing with peoples' chosen professions, hobbies, or whatever you want to call it.

It's one thing to have an opinion, but it really seemed as if you were directing an insult towards people who have done them. Thus causing some to feel like they need to defend themselves.

Everything about the experience I had with the video was positive. And I don't regret it, personally. I even got to spend the money on a gift for my son that I wouldn't have been able to afford alone at that time. (slightly ironic in a twisted way, I know.)

But I don't compare my experience in the video as one of porn. Porn seems to imply something directly sexual, with direct physical action applied to cause a result/orgasm/ect.

If people wanked to it, then meh. But it's not like I got splooged on during the making of the video or anything like that.

 

[Oddjob0226]

Opinions don't matter? That's a new development at the TMF.

I was collecting checks in collage for pocket money from Bill Majors at B&D Pleasures when some of the more recent newbies weren't even born. Shockingly, it was through B&D Pleasures' publications that I met a lot of tickling folks, pre-internet - including some of the 'bigger names', shall we say, in the commmunity. And they weren't there for the similies and onimonipia.

The stories were decently written AND erotic. Meant to not be stupid and hopefully get people off, both males and females. Or not. Whichever. It was fun for me, it was my truth, and it made me some dough. If people enjoyed it for it's artsictic merit, its j.o. factor or both I was fine with it. It wasn't "Oliver Twist"; nor was it without some honest effort to be better than, yeah, the porn that it was.

But I'll take porn, if that's all it was. I'm cool with that. In its proper place, porn is not "less than".

Videos ain't no different. The needs to be no pride or shame in adults creating entertainment for other adults.

(Sorry, Goth and Saeria - back to prickville!)

 

[chicago]

It's one thing to have an opinion, but it really seemed as if you were directing an insult towards people who have done them. Thus causing some to feel like they need to defend themselves.

Everything about the experience I had with the video was positive. And I don't regret it, personally. I even got to spend the money on a gift for my son that I wouldn't have been able to afford alone at that time. (slightly ironic in a twisted way, I know.)

But I don't compare my experience in the video as one of porn. Porn seems to imply something directly sexual, with direct physical action applied to cause a result/orgasm/ect.

If people wanked to it, then meh. But it's not like I got splooged on during the making of the video or anything like that.

We all define porn differently. That doesn't make the definition negative or positive in anyway. It means something different to all of us as well.

How my original post was intended to come across and how it was clearly perceived are two different things. No insults were meant.

 

[ImNotDave]

Goodness me Ive created quite a debate here!

 

[Artoo]

Unbelivable, I know, but some people do it because they enjoy doing it, rather than exploiting themselves, money involved or no. Reading Romeo & Julet is art but watching it performed on stage is sick? Stuff and nonsense.

And beating cocks - as well as stroking clits - that's not sick, that's stress relief. That's safe sex. That's someone exploring a fantasy one cannot explore personally at that time and place despite the desire being there (safe in the knowledge that someone, somewhere, at some level, "gets" him/her).

That's not sick - that's life on planet earth... It's sick if it's done in the pizza buffet line.

This. 🙂

Back on topic (though not quite on topic), a bunch of my friends found out about my video with Bella when I told a friend of mine while we were drunk (I think it was the day I got back to the UK) and he brought it up in group conversation the next day.
When everyone looked at me for clarification I couldn't do anything but grin and say, "Yeah, I was in a fetish porn." The reactions were pretty much all the same; pats on the back, cries of "That's fucking awesome!", and "Where do I find it? I'll have a wank to it!"

Ah yes. Friends will be friends. 😎

 

[ViperGTS]

I think the biggest reason that other people might make fun of someone because of being in a fetish video is because the person is embarassed by it. If Artoo is a good example, just play it off - "Yeah, I was in fetish porn. It's was fun too!" and laugh about it. It works! Trust me.

Because you're not exploiting your body for sick bastards to beat their cocks into submission over.

But writing a story for sick bastards to beat their cocks into submission over is different? 🙄 No one is going to say that it DOESN'T take talent to write a good story - I'd know, I've done some writing - but, in my opinion, to think the two are much different morality-wise is just naieve.

 

[Babyshambles]

You see.

This is how I would react if someone I knew was in a tickling video.

Big grins, big pats on back and I would champion the person as soe sort of folk hero 🙂

That being said, I feel that it would be difficult to justify being in a tickling video (as tickler or ticklee) or being a producer etc. unless it paid big big money, which for the most part, I don't believe it does.

I think writing is not very different. But at least you can write under a pseudonym with a level of anonymity not afforded to someone who is in a tickling video.

A certain type pf person will have big issues appearing in a video (i.e. me) and another certain type of person will have no issues appearing in a video (i.e. artoo).

My concern is with the rest of society and always has been. They are an intolerant bunch on the whole towards issues like this i find.

But maybe I am wrong and maybe times will change.

This. 🙂

Back on topic (though not quite on topic), a bunch of my friends found out about my video with Bella when I told a friend of mine while we were drunk (I think it was the day I got back to the UK) and he brought it up in group conversation the next day.
When everyone looked at me for clarification I couldn't do anything but grin and say, "Yeah, I was in a fetish porn." The reactions were pretty much all the same; pats on the back, cries of "That's fucking awesome!", and "Where do I find it? I'll have a wank to it!"

Ah yes. Friends will be friends. 😎

 

[The Last Laugh]

Because you're not exploiting your body for sick bastards to beat their cocks into submission over.

Wow, you have a really high opinion of the people who hang around this site.

 

[P[a]pi]

Doing porn (writing it is an exception) ain't something I would want for myself or kid sisters just to make money.

So that 1 to 2 minute clip (maybe it was shorter) of you being tickled on your foot at NEST a couple years ago, you consider that porn?

Or do you not consider it porn because it was free?

Or do you not consider it porn because there was no bondage?

Either way somebody could have jacked off to it. If anything that can be jacked off to is porn, then a lot of shit is porn. Like the movie 9 1/2 Weeks, or the Charlie's Angels movies, etc.

 

[Babyshambles]

Wow, you have a really high opinion of the people who hang around this site.

I don't think that is necessarily true.

But let's assume that you or I were bombarded with multiple sexual private messages every day asking all manner of personal questions about our bodies, feet and ticklishness.

It is fair to say that we would recognise an undercurrent of "sick bastards" on this forum too.

Sure we know they exist. Clearly that does not include everyone.

Sometimes this forum gets carried away with itself. Try not to read too much into throw-away comments hidden in the middle of threads.

I'm not defending anyone here, but I don't think it's fair for everyone to get up in arms every time someone expresses an opinion with which we disagree.

 

[Babyshambles]

If anything that can be jacked off to is porn, then a lot of shit is porn. Like the movie 9 1/2 Weeks, or the Charlie's Angels movies, etc.

Uh huh!

That's what you're into is it 🙂

 

[P[a]pi]

Uh huh!

That's what you're into is it 🙂

I don't know what this means. If you're implying that I've jacked off to these movies, no I haven't, but I'm sure plenty of guys have.

My point is a guy jacking off to something does not magically turn it into porn.

I'm sure some chick some where vibes herself to all of Johnny Depp's movies. That doesn't make his movies porn.

 

[Babyshambles]

I don't know what this means. If you're implying that I've jacked off to these movies, no I haven't, but I'm sure plenty of guys have.

My point is a guy jacking off to something does not magically turn it into porn.

I'm sure some chick some where vibes herself to all of Johnny Depp's movies. That doesn't make his movies porn.

Agreed.

But Tickling videos can hardly be considered family entertainment can they?

Tickling videos are porn for tickling fetishists. They are marketed for and sold to tickling fetishists as sexually-arousing videos.

Therefore tickling videos are porn.

Perhaps some tickling videos are made by non-fetishists for a mainstream audience, in which case these would not be porn.

But I think we can all agree that tickling videos are porn? Is this not true?

 

[Deleted member 66627]

How my original post was intended to come across and how it was clearly perceived are two different things. No insults were meant.

Thanks for clarifying. Appreciated. 🙂

 

[chicago]

So that 1 to 2 minute clip (maybe it was shorter) of you being tickled on your foot at NEST a couple years ago, you consider that porn?

Or do you not consider it porn because it was free?

Or do you not consider it porn because there was no bondage?

Either way somebody could have jacked off to it. If anything that can be jacked off to is porn, then a lot of shit is porn. Like the movie 9 1/2 Weeks, or the Charlie's Angels movies, etc.

I don't consider it porn because 1. I didn't know it was being taped and 2. the context of it was playful, not videotaped with the intent to be arousing material.

 

[Wolf]

What a perfect example..

So that 1 to 2 minute clip (maybe it was shorter) of you being tickled on your foot at NEST a couple years ago, you consider that porn?

Or do you not consider it porn because it was free?

Or do you not consider it porn because there was no bondage?

Either way somebody could have jacked off to it. If anything that can be jacked off to is porn, then a lot of shit is porn. Like the movie 9 1/2 Weeks, or the Charlie's Angels movies, etc.

..of why someone would not want to do a fetish video, even a causal couple of minute's worth; Somebody's going to bring it up and use it against you.

So much for discretion, respect, and the old "What happens at NEST stays at NEST" philosophy, huh?

Classy.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

2. the context of it was playful, not videotaped with the intent to be arousing material.

Because I seek not to argue, this is purely discussional:

What about videos where the direct context is to be playful?

And I don't mean this as an insult at all, but what if people wanked to your audio clip? Some folks derive more pleasure from a clear audio sample then a video.

Does that make it porn, or merely an exception to the 'rule' ?

 

[chicago]

I think if something is made with the intent to arouse people, be it fetish videos, writing (hell, even the stories and comics I've done could be considered porn, albeit maybe a more mild version) then it is considered porn. The recording(s) of me were taped for the people that were there, it was something playful, and then added to the forum as an afterthought. No one there meant to create the clips as a means to get people off. That was not their purpose. Whether someone jacks off to it or not is not something I worry about. Like someone else stated, there are probably women who flick the bean to Johnny Dep movies, but it's not porn because those movies were not made with the intent to get people off.