How would you react if you recognised somebody in a fetish vid?

[BellaRisa]

..of why someone would not want to do a fetish video, even a causal couple of minute's worth; Somebody's going to bring it up and use it against you.

So much for discretion, respect, and the old "What happens at NEST stays at NEST" philosophy, huh?

Classy.

Wolf, there's nothing wrong with what Papi said, plenty of folks were aware of that clip and Annie was hardly ashamed of it. Go figure. Furthermore, if she wants to publicly put down what so many of us have proudly done, including people she considers friends, her own dabble in the activity may be publicly referenced. That whole Glass Houses thing is a bitch but it has merit, and once you start throwing around phrases like "exploiting your body for sick bastards to beat their cocks into submission over" the notion of 'respect' may come into question. Or perhaps there's a double standard for writers of which I'm not aware 😈

 

[Wolf]

I disagree.

Wolf, there's nothing wrong with what Papi said, plenty of folks were aware of that clip and Annie was hardly ashamed of it. Go figure. Furthermore, if she wants to publicly put down what so many of us have proudly done, including people she considers friends, her own dabble in the activity may be publicly referenced. That whole Glass Houses thing is a bitch but it has merit, and once you start throwing around phrases like "exploiting your body for sick bastards to beat their cocks into submission over" the notion of 'respect' may come into question. Or perhaps there's a double standard for writers of which I'm not aware 😈

As she stated, she didn't know it was being recorded. Just because she decided to be okay with it, doesn't make her a hypocrite.

 

[BellaRisa]

Thanks for clarifying. Appreciated. 🙂

Ditto. I know you, it doesn't make sense that you'd suddenly start being so mean-spirited to so many people around here, so I'm going to assume I misunderstood and drop it. And if you did mean to be like that, please don't tell me, I'd rather not know

 

[chicago]

I don't see how someone could say there's no difference in erotica and actual video. Do I think they're both considered pornographic? Yes I do. But writing about something and actually doing it are two different things.

Again, do I consider those video/audio clips of mine to be porn? No, because as I stated, I define porn by it's intent. If it was made with the intent to arouse the viewers/listeners, I would definitely say it was porn. Since it wasn't, I don't think it is.

PS. "beating their cocks into submission" is a phrase I use quite often about some of the less than gentelman-ly people on this website. It also was not meant to offend.

PPS. If you think I'm being mean-spirited for one reason or another, whether it be my hijacking of a Harry Potter thread, my disagreement with Shemp Day, or my opinion on what is porn, you can definitely talk to me about it rather than allude to it in a public thread.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

but it's not porn because those movies were not made with the intent to get people off.

And what if I went into the video experience not with an intent to get someone off, but to have fun?

 

[BellaRisa]

As she stated, she didn't know it was being recorded. Just because she decided to be okay with it, doesn't make her a hypocrite.

I disagree, and the "I didn't know" victim angle doesn't fly. Having said that, let's agree to disagree 🙂

 

[chicago]

And what if I went into the video experience not with an intent to get someone off, but to have fun?

Again, people define pornography in different ways, but since that clip as a whole was sold as a means of arousal, I define that as porn. The experience itself may have been a playful one, even if you were tickling Cassi's nipples. That's just how I perceive and define pornography. It's not how everyone sees it and I mean no offense by what I say, it's just my perception.

 

[chicago]

I disagree, and the "I didn't know" victim angle doesn't fly. Having said that, let's agree to disagree 🙂

Who said I was a victim? I don't remember saying that. All I'm saying is those little clips were not intended to be sold here, on Clipsforsale, or anywhere else. They were not meant to cater to people as masturbatory fodder. They were meant to be shared with friends who went to NEST or who knew me on the forums as something light-hearted and funny. You can disagree with me all you want, but don't start throwing words around like "victim."

 

[Wolf]

No...let's not.

I disagree, and the "I didn't know" victim angle doesn't fly. Having said that, let's agree to disagree 🙂

'Victim angle'? Seriously?

How about we agree that some people can be awfully nasty to anyone who doesn't fully support celebrate their own position, and can justify any attack against them, once they've had the audacity to disagree.

And I find the diplomatic "let's agree to disagree" sentiment to be downright disingenuous, if you're slagging someone right before you say it.

 

[BellaRisa]

I don't see how someone could say there's no difference in erotica and actual video. Do I think they're both considered pornographic? Yes I do. But writing about something and actually doing it are two different things.

Again, do I consider those video/audio clips of mine to be porn? No, because as I stated, I define porn by it's intent. If it was made with the intent to arouse the viewers/listeners, I would definitely say it was porn. Since it wasn't, I don't think it is.

PS. "beating their cocks into submission" is a phrase I use quite often about some of the less than gentelman-ly people on this website. It also was not meant to offend.

PPS. If you think I'm being mean-spirited for one reason or another, whether it be my hijacking of a Harry Potter thread, my disagreement with Shemp Day, or my opinion on what is porn, you can definitely talk to me about it rather than allude to it in a public thread.

This post is so full of topics on which we'll really have to agree to disagree that I don't even know where to begin, I prefer to just leave you to your interesting points of view. As for "alluding", I don't have to allude to a thing, I was pretty damn clear. If you feel the need to approach me privately go right ahead; personally, while I'm no fan of thread hijacking in this case frankly I'm fine right out where others affected by your posts can see.

 

[meangry]

This post is so full of topics on which we'll really have to agree to disagree that I don't even know where to begin, I prefer to just leave you to your interesting points of view. As for "alluding", I don't have to allude to a thing, I was pretty damn clear. If you feel the need to approach me privately go right ahead; personally, while I'm no fan of thread hijacking in this case frankly I'm fine right out where others affected by your posts can see.

How you can be a mod fucking befuddles me every single day you post with this tripe line of horse shit thinly veiled harassment.

 

[chicago]

Being clear would have been defining what you meant by "mean-spirited". Thus, it's "alluding to" right now. Harry Potter is so not even a valid issue and Shemp day is over and I am over it. But to say that I'm being mean-spirited for having my own definition of what porn is, is fucking ridiculous. If people can't disagree on this damn site, no matter who it is they are disagreeing with or how many damn posts they have, without getting jumped all over and called a victim and a hypocrite, that's just really sad.

I may have worded things harshly in my first post, but it was not meant to offend in any way.

 

[BellaRisa]

How you can be a mod fucking befuddles me every single day you post with this tripe line of horse shit thinly veiled harassment.

I'm sure there's no end to what befuddles you. If you have an issue with how I moderate speak to Jeff or Myriads, I'm sure they'll be happy to help. You have a nice day now 🙂

 

[meangry]

I'm sure there's no end to what befuddles you. If you have an issue with how I moderate speak to Jeff or Myriads, I'm sure they'll be happy to help. You have a nice day now 🙂

I'm sure absolutely nothing will be done about it. It wouldn't be a problem if you didn't have power to lock posts and ban folk, but you have those abilities. As far as it goes with you, most of the shit you say befuddles because you are a walking contradiction of self posturing horseshit. Every other mod here? Good. Do they job. They don't act like lightning rods. You don't have that luxury.

Now, you have a nice day now.

 

[SilverTickle]

I would beat the crap out of them for not inviting me.
No, just kidding.
Probably laugh, and if I talk to them again in the future I might mention seeing them.

 

[ImNotDave]

I would beat the crap out of them for not inviting me.
No, just kidding.
Probably laugh, and if I talk to them again in the future I might mention seeing them.

Ha 🙂

I suppose depending on how closely I knew the person would depend on me mentioning it or not.
But then again, if they've chosen not to bring it up, it'd probably be best not to bring it up.

 

[Babyshambles]

Ha 🙂

I suppose depending on how closely I knew the person would depend on me mentioning it or not.
But then again, if they've chosen not to bring it up, it'd probably be best not to bring it up.

Sure, bring it up I say.

What harm can be done if you go about it the right way?

 

[ImNotDave]

"Ive seen all your movies, Im a huge fan"

😀

 

[Wolf]

reasonable enough

Ha 🙂

I suppose depending on how closely I knew the person would depend on me mentioning it or not.
But then again, if they've chosen not to bring it up, it'd probably be best not to bring it up.

Most people who would make a fetish video would have to at least consider the possibility that someone they know would eventually see it. That's only reasonable. Ask Cameron Diaz.

 

[rhiannon]

I would probably ask the person about it, but seriously - I wouldn't watch it to the end. Nothing disturbs me more than seing someone I know in a fetish video! 🙂

 

[playgirl]

first, i think it's important to note that there are different types of producers creating a wide range of content. that being said, i actively recruit my friends and acquaintances for foot tickling videos for a producer who i respect as a person and producer, respect the work he does and who i know respects the women he videos. when i looked at his work, prior to recruiting people i know, i saw the respect he shows the models down to the composition of his videos, such as what parts of the body he shows and in what ways. i would not recruit my friends for many producers whose video clips i've seen. i especially have a problem with producers/lers who are unwilling to show their face when the models are often at least topless. even if you just want the model's face to be visible, you should be proud enough of your work that you don't have to hide behind a mask.

to be clear, just because i wouldn't recruit my friends for nude or sexual tickling videos doesn't mean i don't think they have their place. i do enjoy watching some of them.

i had two friends over just last night, one who is anxious to shoot a video and another who may be interested in doing a shoot, especially after showing her a sample clip of how this producer operates. she was under the mistaken assumption that the videos would be smarmy and pornographic.

 

[dvnc]

Alright, who invoked mods?

Oh, it's you folks.

Okay, kids, let's first understand that mods DO involve in conversation, ESPECIALLY where they have experience. Many of us do. Means we've got views. We get to express them so long as we remain well inside GR bounds.

Clearly, this discussion contains opposition. I consider both "sides" to have friends of mine on such.

Observation 1 - this thread got derailed. Who did this? Hmm... Topic was "How would you react if you recognised somebody in a fetish vid?" Why is it now about what's porn versus what's erotica.

Someone stated writing was not porn. Someone forgot that written erotica is still proclaimed porn, largely by the same groups that proclaim the video pornographic. If folks masturbate to it, there's apparently some reason to be concerned.

Calling video pornographic is fair. So is calling writing pornographic.

It's just neither civil to those doing such video (and many of us have contributed to the video production in this community), nor is it constructive to this thread's original focus.

Writer, deride the video and you deride your creation. People masturbate to what arouses them. If you write well about tickling, you ARE creating masturbatory content. If that's porn, then you're guilty, too. If that's erotica, then so is some of the video. Where's the line? It deserves it's own thread. Define this magic line and you may avoid insulting friends, and friends of friends. That, or at least you'll have insulted folks with a clearer definition, and created the lines that divide you more clearly.

Video, get used to people trying to proclaim you're worse than they are. That's you, Bella. That's also Jeff, who owns this forum. It's Ann and Drew (yes, they did video, once upon a time). Cassi and Jo and Lee and Amanda...

It's also me. I worked within that genre back in the 90s, for several companies, creating web videos for them, websites advertising their work, etc.

While I understand where this derailed, I am surprised at both the hijacking and the taking of sides. If any further discussion of the "video is porn but writing isn't" is necessary, take it to another thread.

 

[Libertine]

But it got me wondering, how you I/you react if you were watching a sample video or look at some pictures on the TMF and you knew the person in the video?
Would you ever confront them? Or just leave it?

Well, in our case I simply ask her if she'd like some tea, for instance. Or whether it's time to do the laundry.

 

[dvnc]

The times that this has happened, I didn't have tea handy (America's weak that way 😉 ). Just talked to 'em. Nice folk, every one.

Mind you, these days, some are friends, these crazy video folk. 🙂

 

[chicago]

Again, I apologize. I worded my opinion harshly and expressed myself in a way I shouldn't have. I've been upset by a lot of things lately, and it's no excuse for the way I've been acting. Sorry again.