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Hulk movie? BIG SMASH!

IT SUCKED! SUCKED!! SUCKED!!! SUCKED!!!! SUCKED ASS SUCKED!!!!! SUCKED TO INFINITY!!!!! IT SUCKED SO BAD I HAD TO INSPECT MYSELF FOR HICKIES AFTER THE DAMN THING WAS OVER!!!!!! IT SUCKED MORE THAN AN OREC VACUMME!!!!!! LET ME COUNT THE WAYS ON HOW MUCH IT SUCKED!!!!!!! ONE ONE-MILLION WAYS, TWO ONE MILLION WAY, THREE ONE MILLIONS WAYS IT SUCKED!!!!!!!! 50 WAYS THIS MOVIE SUCKED!!!!!!!!! IT SUCKS MORE THAN THE IRS ON TAX DAY!!!!!!!!!
 
A little Hulk history

The first time I ever saw The Hulk was on TV about 1968 or so, when I was in elementary school. It was a cartoon called The Marvel Comics Super Heros, and along with The Hulk it included The Mighty Thor, Captain America, Iron Man, and even The Sub-Mariner. Spider-man of course had his own half-hour cartoon with the cool opening theme-song that everybody seems to remember. But we had just gotten our first color TV, and the Hulk was very green. I remember a girl in my 5th grade class telling me that on her TV set, the Hulk was purple. In my young mind, I had a hard time figuring out if The Hulk was a "good guy" or a "bad guy." Because back then, if you had any super powers, you were either one or the other. He seemed like a monster to me, yet here he was grouped with Captain America and the other heros. Very confusing.

Since then, I've kept an eye on Dr Banner and his nemesis, General "Thunderbolt" Ross. One thing I noticed about the Hulk throughout the seventies, was that his intellect and dialogue could never be enough to sustain the series. He could never "solve" crimes, or even be patriotic. The writers therefore had to employ a lot of situational imagination--Place The Hulk in different scenarios to see how others dealt with him (or were dealt by him.)

One of the more interesting of these occurred in a Marvel/DC crossover (a rare treat). This particular one was actually a Superman/Spider-Man crossover, with a cameo appearance by The Hulk who of course takes on Supes himself. Neither of them win or lose, it ends when Superman discovers what was driving the Hulk's rage at that time, an electronic device from Doctor Doom. Once destroyed, the Hulk loses interest, gets sleepy, enter Bruce Banner.

The late seventies TV show wasn't bad. I've always liked Bill Bixby from his earlier performances in My Favorite Martian, The Courtship of Eddie's Father, and The Magician. Lou Ferrigno does a good job of playing the Hulk but I used to wonder why he never spoke. My only criticism was that they changed "Bruce Banner" to "David Banner." My guess at the time was that the producers felt the name "David" was more masculine and heterosexual than "Bruce." I'm not sure why, but the name "Bruce" had somehow become the token name for any gay character in a story, during the seventies.

By the mid-eighties though, the comic writers had a tough time coming up with new and original situations. The Hulk had already faced and fought most of the known villains, as well as heros. He still talked like an angry toddler, always referring to himself in the third person. "Hulk smash puny humans"...etc. They started making some bold new changes. Banner somehow manages to gain control of his change into The Hulk, and even retain his own mind and personality while big and green. That ultimately got boring, so they went to the other extreme. The Hulk became totally mute, just a raging monster, but trapped in some inter-dimensional crossroads where his only companion was an ethereal entity referred to simply as The Puffball Collective. Awful stuff, really.

But then toward the late eighties they actually had a good idea for how to make The Hulk interesting. They took a nostalgic approach and made him like he was when he first came on the scene in the early sixties: Banner's change into The Hulk was not triggered by anger, but rather by the setting of the sun. The Hulk was not green, but rather grey, and capable of coherent thought and conversation, if a little irritable. At one point the grey Hulk starts wearing high-dollar pin-stripe suits and becomes like a mafia hitman called "Joe Fixit."

I haven't picked up an issue of The Incredible Hulk in about 15 years, but I did manage to see this latest movie. I thought Sam Elliot did a decent job of playing General Ross. It was interesting that they incorporated both David and Bruce Banner. I liked what they did with (Major) Glenn Talbot. Instead of being a Major under General Ross he was more of his own entity, making him a more effective villain. Jennifer Connely did a fair job as the pretty Betty Ross. The CGI Hulk I thought looked and acted pretty good, but I agree some of the scenes were a little too dark to see what was going on. Unlike Spider-Man, The Hulk was at times presented more like a comic strip, often splitting the screen into multiple panels of action.

All in all, a good flick.
 
All I can say is don't see this movie CAUSE IT SUCKED IT SUCKED ASS SO BAD I NEED TO GET A PROCTOLOGICAL EXAM!
 
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The movie had no ending.

It seemed to head along in one direction, come to a conclusion (or what should have been a conclusion), then veer off on another tangent. and it did that several times. The boxes weren't so bad, if taken in context as a comic book (my date had to explain what they were supposed to be, I'm too young to get comics, I guess). It was just the over-all storyline. It was getting painful to see what they would do next, once I realized they intended to never end the darn thing.

I don't quite know why I didn't fall asleep, as it was certainly boring enough for that. I think it was that car accident/train wreck kind of thing. You simply had to keep watching to see what would happen next.
 
Yeah, I too had "issues" with the CG Hulk. It's kind of like the problem with Dick Tracy back in 1990. You see these creatures which don't, can't, exsist in real life, yet here they are, made as real as possible, but they're so odd looking that you don't really know if that's what something like that would look like if it was indeed brought into reality.

I was hoping the first transforamtion would be more dramatic and be caused by something more emotional happening to Banner. Sitting here, I can't even remeber what triggered it!

I DID like the wiggly transitions fron scene to scene... but then they didn't stop. They just kept coming. They became their own character. They will probably have their own sequel! It became... distracting.

Same with the "spilt screen" effects made to look like comic book panles. Nice to see occasionally - but enough was enough!

A mad scientist as a character was a good idea. But he was a little too mad. Oddly chaotic, just exsisting to make people miserable, didn't really have a drive or focus, other than just to destroy "them". And his son. And his girlfriend. And whatever else. Hey, Rasputin - pick ONE obssession and fixate on it already! Near the end a little sublety rather than a state-the-obvious rant could have worked better, also. Didn't Nick Nolte's character look EXACTLY like the photo taken of him when he was arrested????

I was waiting for something really dramatic to happen behind the door of Bruce's childhood home, it was built up so damn much. What did happen was kind of a let down. That's it? Tramatic, but not scary freaky Hulk tramatic.

What exactly was that bomb going off in the desert? And why did it seem to have nothing to do with anything? And what was that bomb they dropped on the Banners near the end? What was that????

But Banner's father becoming... well, not to ruin it too much, what happened to him - THAT was cool! All he needed was that ball & chain from the comic....... (the nerds will know what I mean)

Ultimately, I think X2 was better. League Of Extrodinary Gentlemen has me worried, though. Too many changes & dumbing down it looks like.
 
Just got back from it a little while ago!

Very well done! Easily as good as Spidey and Daredevil. Lotta nice touches, too... cameos, etc. And "The Line". Outstanding film. Of course, they had to take a little creative license with the story, but when to they NOT when making a movie out of a story? I for one enjoyed it thoroughly, and will be owning it once it's on video. Good stuff!
 
Frankly? I thought it sucked. It wasn't as bad as the Matrix Reloaded, though.
 
Krokus said:
It wasn't as bad as the Matrix Reloaded, though.

I heard that!!! A bunch of unhappy people talking in the dark, then they do a bunch of magic tricks they more or less did in the 1st one. And I'm supposed to buy into a 3rd one? HAH, say I!
 
On the other hand, I loved Terminator 3. In my opinion, it was everything that Hulk SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

Fun!
 
Can someone e-mail me a spoiler of Terminator 3 please?
 
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was really good. It had a story, and it had the feel of an older movie where they cared about character development and plot. There were one or two surprises in the movie that even I didn't see coming. Actually a few more. But after reading the critics reviews of League (which the Critics hated it) and the Hulk (which the Critics all loved) and then you read the public reviews of both movies and everyone pretty much loved “League”, or thought it was decent, and most describe The Hulk as “pure and utter torture to watch”. I seriously think that since so much bad press came out about the movie from bootleg that was sold on the street weeks before release; and the comments from people who saw that bootleg thought The Hulk was the piece of crap it is, that Universal paid off Critics to give it a good review. There have been rumors from insiders in the industry that this sort of thing has happened before. I used to trust Roger Ebert, but no more. My God, "Attack of the Clones" was light-years more entertaining than The Hulk, even with the bad love scene dialogue, and the very same critics panned it. It's a conspiracy I tell you!

As far as the comic book panels in it, you know …that is used ion comic books because they are motionless, and the only way to further the story along is to draw a next panel and then a next one. But motion pictures have motion. They move at 24 frames per second. That is why they are called “motion” pictures. There is no need for comic book panels. And I still can’t get over that bad guy dying and the frame stopping and it becoming a big circle, and then the bold line goes around him with the animated effect. I mean most of the audience I saw it with was yelling at the screen when that happened. And this was at the best theater in town.

I still don’t understand why the paid for the two effects battle segments between The Hulk and the dogs and his dad so dark. They might have well just rendered 10 minutes of black and gotten the same effects. And they paid millions for those scenes. I can see in a year or two the talk will hit the street of what the Universal Executives really thought of the movie like it had come out about the 2000 movie “swordfish” where Warner execs started screaming at each other “who green lighted this piece of sh*t!” And the best fix they could come up with was talking Hallie Berry into doing that nudity scene and paid her all that money to get her to do it. There will be no sequel to The Hulk, as it has not made the amount it cost to make. For a big blockbuster movie to be successful it has to at least make double what it cost in domestic release. The Hulk will never make 220 million, and Universal will never make a sequel for the same reason there is no sequel to 1998’s GODZILLA, which actually made over 2 times what it cost to make. Why no sequel. The movie stunk so bad that people won’t give a sequel a chance, and Sony pictures knows it. That is why there is no Alien 5. Cause Alien 4 really stunk and they know they tarnished viewer willingness to see a 5. Batman and robin ruined the batman franchise and that is why there is no Batman 6 done yet. If they do make a sequel to The Hulk, I can guarantee that Ang won’t be on board, neither will screenwriter Schamus (or whatever his name is) and they will try to fix what the screwed up with this one and make a normal movie. And the Hulk Dogs? A hulk poodle? Now right there, that should have got the Studio heads thinking, “rewrite”. But the people who made it put as much thought into this movie as the people who made “MEGAFORCE” or ‘GREASE 2”.
 
All I can say is.........


BBBBBBBLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And there was me thinking I had low standards!!! :disgust: What an absoloute stinking pile of shit! Ang Lee, where the Jumping Jesus Christ did you get that godamn, piece of shit abortion of an idea for that film?????

Okay okay, let's make a few concessions here.
It was supposed to have a more cartoony feel to it, because it was based on the original characters, and not the more swerious and infinitely more verisimillitude-filled TV series. Things like the gamma dogs, Bruce's dad etc were supposed to be more fantasy oriented.

Okay, enough compliments. Now for the things that bothered me just a little bit.

1/ Even for a Hulk based on the comic version, he was too big and too strong. The comic book version was 7 or 8 feet tall, not fucking 16! Jumping great distances and chucking tanks about I can handle, but doing an 80,000 foot cannonball into San Fransisco Harbour??? C'mon Ang, you're losing the &*#@ing plot and FAST! I don't remember the comic Hulk being completely bulletproof either, but maybe someone who knows something about that will correct me here? Myriads? Dave?

2/ A script that sounds like it was written by a 5 year old.

3/ The Hulk's appearance. His head was too large and too square. Ditto for his body. He looked like 10 pounds of shit, poured into a 5 pound bag. :sowrong: The comic book version was bigger than the TV version, but things weren't so drastically out of proportion as this!

4/ What the hell was that with David Banner? Comic plots are always a bit far-fetched, but that plot went galloping down Lunacy Drive and into Dipshit-For-Brains Boulevarde. The Incredible Absorbing Man? Sorry Ang, James Cameron already did that with the malfunctioning T-1000. The film (which was already suffering badly) completely lost any credibility or believability at that point.

5/ PANELS!!!!!!!! We DO NOT need constant reminding that this film comes from a comic book character! We know it already! Splitting the screen up so often with badly constructed lighting effects only serves to piss me off and make me angry. Very angry. And you wouldn't like me when I'm angry! It reminds me of that f*#@ing twat who directs the Lynda La Plante series and keeps insisting on splitting the screen into two panels to show things happening in the same places at the same time. Cock!

This sack of shite of a film has spelled the death knell for a series that I truly hoped was going to run to 2,3, or even 4 movies. But Ang Lee's utter moronic, degraded, pile of shit, badly lighted, badly drawn, abortion of a movie has killed it stone dead. I'd be surprised if this thing breaks even worldwide, let alone domestically.

Oddly enough I'll probably still get this on DVD, but that's just because I love the Hulk in whatever way, shape or form. I'm just so bitterly disappointed he's been treated so badly. I can't believe anyone who's ever like the comics, TV series or anything else Hulk-related, will like this effort. Quite possibly the most gutting, disappointing waste of millions of dollars, since Bill Clinton's last publicity campaign to prove to the world that he was honest.
 
forgive my ebonics, but DAMN! you trippin' for an englandian. maybe it's because your televisions are very small (see bobbins).

these acidic reviews have sapped any willingness i originally harboured to see the Hulk. it must have appealed to the young people, though, which explains why they thought it was deep and meaningful. but keep your hands off the matrix reloaded. it was seriously not that crapulent. i think i will take the Hulk off my "too see" list, although i may watch the DVD. i am a casual fan of the comic book, which is quite compelling. so i do not think i shall sodomize my fandom. although nothing compells viewing like a movie labelled "shite".
 
Don't do that mate. Go and see it! Then at least you can see why we think it's so goddamn awful. :disgust:
 
Nope mate, I can't. 🙂

It's heart-breakingly sad, because it could have something really good. Sadly Ang Lee commited the greatest crime against any comic book hero of all time, and brought out a pile of shit even a dog wouldn't eat.
 
Here's a telling point.

The Hulk movie ran for two weeks here in the UK. Two weeks! Not 2-4 months as is usual, but 2 weeks! The reason? Normal sized audiences for 2 days and then dwindling for the remainder of the week to microscopic. During the second week it was playing to empty cinemas all over the country. Cinema managers took the very wise step of dropping it faster than a judge dropping a rape case against George Bush.

Ang Lee, hang your damn head in shame and go and live in a cave somewhere. Don't EVER make the mistake of thinking your worthless, talentless ass can ever make another movie in your miserable life! 😡 You blew a golden opportunity and destroyed one of the most loved hero characters of all time with that most pathetic, irretrievable, gutter-trash, pile of shit! And if you ever DREAM about making the scheduled two sequels and further grind the Hulk into the mud, you'd better wake up and apologise!
 
I've seldom if ever felt about any movie as vehemently negative as some feel about this one. It seems that for some, a movie is either totally freakin awesome, or it sucks abysmally. This is no in-between.

I can certainly add criticism about the movie, but over all I enjoyed it. It didn't blow me away, but it was cool. I would buy the DVD in a heartbeat. One thing I'd have to say is that I don't think Jennifer Connelly is all that fine. I find her moderately attractive at best. Something about those eyebrows. I hope they do make a sequel, and I hope Ang produces it. 'Nuff said?
 
I knew that you would feel that way mate...any true fan of the Hulk comics feels the same way....as for the tv show...it had it's place much like Batman did.....😉


Ven
 
drew70 said:
I've seldom if ever felt about any movie as vehemently negative as some feel about this one. It seems that for some, a movie is either totally freakin awesome, or it sucks abysmally. This is no in-between.

Personally, I've never felt about any movie as vehemently negative as I felt about this one.

I've had all kinds of different reactions to all kinds of different movies. I've given movies 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10 stars.

But this particular movie...

HATED IT.

:shock:
 
venray1 said:
I knew that you would feel that way mate...any true fan of the Hulk comics feels the same way....as for the tv show...it had it's place much like Batman did.....😉


Ven

BATMAN!?!?!?!?!?!?!!? Raymond, please tell me you are yanking my gamma irradiated chain here? 😱
 
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