Is this (banned) advert in bad taste?

[c7_assassin]

I will say this, though...

It's weird that if the World Wildlife Fund uses 9/11 to make a point about the environment and the consequences of disrespecting our planet, it's totally tasteless and obscene.

But if the President uses 9/11 to con America into supporting a war in which many more Americans will die than did on 9/11, that's...not tasteless and obscene?

 

[badreligion]

I will say this, though...

It's weird that if the World Wildlife Fund uses 9/11 to make a point about the environment and the consequences of disrespecting our planet, it's totally tasteless and obscene.

But if the President uses 9/11 to con America into supporting a war in which many more Americans will die than did on 9/11, that's...not tasteless and obscene?

Go figure huh ?

 

[Goodieluver]

Eh its message is flawed
"nature is powerful, respect it"

Whats that even supposed to mean or suggest? That we are causing powerful storms with "global warming" or something along those conservation lines?

But it does raise the point that nobody cares unless something out of the ordinary happens death wise. Storm comes and floods, thats nature, its not controllable. The towers fall due to an attack, everyone pays attention

 

[vladtickleman22]

I will say this, though...

It's weird that if the World Wildlife Fund uses 9/11 to make a point about the environment and the consequences of disrespecting our planet, it's totally tasteless and obscene.

But if the President uses 9/11 to con America into supporting a war in which many more Americans will die than did on 9/11, that's...not tasteless and obscene?

Just need clarification. Are you talking about Afghanistan or Iraq?

 

[c7_assassin]

Just need clarification. Are you talking about Afghanistan or Iraq?

I meant Iraq.

So if we're talking about what's in good taste or bad taste, it's just helpful to remember that the most shameful, destructive manipulation of public feelings about 9/11 that could ever happen has already happened.

 

[Eyeshine]

I will say this, though...

It's weird that if the World Wildlife Fund uses 9/11 to make a point about the environment and the consequences of disrespecting our planet, it's totally tasteless and obscene.

But if the President uses 9/11 to con America into supporting a war in which many more Americans will die than did on 9/11, that's...not tasteless and obscene?

As apposed to not having a war and potentially facing even more awful tragedies? It was a perfect example as to why we NEEDED to go to war, to DEFEND our country. It was not a "con" as you put it.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

I dont see other countries rushing to send a 10'th of the aid that we Americans provide to the rest of the world when disasters such as these occur...

I don;t know...I thought i remember quiet a bit of aid was offered to the US during Katrina. Which in turn was put on hold, burned or just dismissed/ignored Although some was indeed accepted.

 

[Goodieluver]

I don;t know...I thought i remember quiet a bit of aid was offered to the US during Katrina. Which in turn was put on hold, burned or just dismissed/ignored Although some was indeed accepted.

It should be noted the United States govt officially requested the aid from the EU a week after. It wasn't necessarily just given out of goodwill/no prompting and im pretty sure the only aid rejected by the govt was from Cuba.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

It should be noted the United States govt officially requested the aid from the EU a week after. It wasn't necessarily just given out of goodwill/no prompting and im pretty sure the only aid rejected by the govt was from Cuba.

You do have a point there about asking a week later. I do like to give the benefit of the doubt though. Here is a list of countries that offered support.

According to the European Commission, one week after the disaster, on September 4th, 2005, the United States officially asked the European Union for emergency help, asking for blankets, emergency medical kits, water and 500,000 food rations for victims. Help proposed by EU member states was coordinated through their crisis center. The British presidency of the EU functioned as contact with the USA.

Other countries not on this list also offered aid, but the State Department mentioned that they (the State Department) had not been asked. Later, the US State Department said all offers were being examined.[1][2]


[edit] Pledges and donations from countries
Below is a list of countries who offered aid. Some of these efforts were not formally accepted by the U.S. government (see "Actual Funds Used" below).

Afghanistan
Donated $100,000 to the hurricane victims.[3]
Albania
Donated $300,000.[4]
Argentina
Made offers of help and assistance. Argentina also dispatched an elite team of bilingual mental health professionals.[5]
Armenia
Pledged $200,000 and made offers of help and assistance. [6]
Australia
AUD 10 million (approximately USD 8-9 Million), and a team of 20 emergency response officers immediately. Donated AUD 10 million to American Red Cross. [7]
Austria
140 specialists of the AFDRU were put on stand-by. Their focus was to have been on providing clean water with portable water-treatment plants. Within the EU Emergency Assistance for Katrina, Austria set up a communication network using IT and communication equipment for assistance/support, provided 10 sets petrol driven dirty water pumps, 500 pieces tarps/plastic sheeting and 300 camp beds.[8]
Azerbaijan
Donated $500,000.[9]
The Bahamas
Pledged $50,000.
Bahrain
Donated $5 million.[10]
Bangladesh
Donated humanitarian aid worth $1 million and said it would send 160 disaster management experts, including doctors, nurses, engineers and others.
Belarus
Made offers of help and assistance.
Belgium
Offered 3 Medical teams of 31 personnel, logistic team of 10 personnel, coordination team of 4 personnel, civil engineering team of 10 personnel, diving team, and also balloon-lamps, low and high capacity pumps and small generators.[8]
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Made offers of help and assistance.
Brunei
Donated $1 million.[11]
Cambodia
The king donated $20,000 to match the $20,000 Cambodian government donation.
Canada
Main article: Canadian response to Hurricane Katrina
September 5, 35 military divers were poised to depart by air Sunday from Halifax and Esquimalt, B.C., for the New Orleans area.September 4, On the request from U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Canada sent thousands of beds, blankets, surgical gloves and dressings and other medical supplies. On September 2 the Government of Canada announced it was sending three warships along with a Coast Guard vessel, and three Sea King helicopters to the area. Over 1,000 personnel are involved in the operation, including engineers and navy divers. The Canadian Heavy Urban Search and Rescue out of Vancouver was in Louisiana from September 1, due to security they started their mission on Sept 3. Ontario Hydro, Hydro-Québec, and Manitoba Hydro, along with other electrical utilities, had crews set to go to the affected areas. On September 2 Air Canada participated along with U.S. member airlines of the Air Transport Association, in a voluntary airline industry initiative to support rescue and relief operations. Money donations although where very high, the province of Alberta alone threw in 5 million dollars alone. Although it is hard to put an exact number on Canadian cash donations because of some Canadians donating directly to the American agencies, but it is thought to be one of the highest international donors nation.
Chile
Made offers of help and assistance.
People's Republic of China
On September 2, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that it will offer $5 million along with emergency supplies, including 1,000 tents, 600 generators, bed sheets, immediately for disaster relief. China also offered to send medical care and rescue workers if they were needed.[12] This aid package consisting of 104 tons of supplies later arrived in Little Rock, Arkansas.[13] A chartered plane carrying the supplies arrived on September 7.[14]
Colombia
Made offers of help and assistance.
Cuba
One of the first countries to offer aid, Cuba offered to send 1,586 doctors and 26 tons of medicine. This aid was rejected by the State Department. [15]
Cyprus
Offered $50,000.
Czech Republic
Offered rescue teams, field hospital and pumps and water processing equipment.
Denmark
Offered Water purification units.[8]
Djibouti
Offered $50,000.[2]
Dominica
Offered police to monitor hard-hit areas.
Dominican Republic
Offered rescue workers, doctors and nurses.
Ecuador
Made offers of help and assistance.
Egypt
Sent 2 C-130 planes loaded with blankets, medical equipment, and canned food.
El Salvador
Offered to send troops to help keep order in New Orleans.
Equatorial Guinea
Pledged $500,000.
Finland
Sent Finn Rescue Force—the group consists of 30 firemen and three Red Cross logistics experts.. Additionally Finland offered 300 tents, a water purification unit, sterile gloves, bed sheets, pillow covers, tarps and first aid kits.
France
Main article: French response to Hurricane Katrina
Concrete help was refused by the US government initially, however on September 2, Condoleezza Rice said that the US authorities would assess the situation and contact French authorities accordingly. On September 4, US authorities formally requested French assistance. France offered disaster relief stocks prepositioned in Martinique (600 tents, around 1000 beds, 60 electrogenic groups, 3 pumps, 3 water purification stations, 1000 folding jerricanes and other material). A 35-person team of the Sécurité civile (Civil defence) from Guadeloupe and Martinique were made ready, and a 60-man "catastrophe intervention" aeromobile detachment were prepared to be ferried from mainland in a short time. The Ministry of Defence offered 2 planes already in the zone and 6 more from mainland France, and two ships of the French Navy (probably the BATRAL Francis Garnier or Champlain, and the frigate Ventôse) and a 20-person team of emergency medical specialists. The non-governmental organisation Télécoms sans frontières and the company Véolia environnement offered aid in communications and water management, respectively. On September 7, the Ministry for Foreign Affairs stated that an Airbus Beluga from Toulouse with 12,7 tonnes of supplies flew to Mobile, Alabama, after a brief stop in the UK to load more food.[16] Two Casa airplanes from Martinique landed in Little Rock, Arkansas, ferrying tents, covers and 1000 rations of food for 24 hours.[8][17][18]
Gabon
Pledged $500,000.[2]
Georgia
Made offers of help and assistance.
Germany
Two German Army Airbus planes landed in Florida with about 25 tonnes of food rations to be transported to the disaster area. Further planes were prepared. Germany offered airlifting, vaccination, water purification, medical supplies including German air force hospital planes, emergency electrical power and pumping services. The aid was ready to go on German air force and chartered planes. A team of specialists from THW (German federal agency for technical relief) were planning technical measures and logistics in close contact with local authorities. A team of 89 flood fighting specialists and 5 medical personnel were dispatched from Ramstein Air Base to Louisiana by the United States Air Force. They brought 15 high performance pumps (10 pumps with a capacity of 15,000 litres per minute and 5 pumps with a capacity of 5,000 litres per minute) and 28 vehicles.[19] On Saturday, September 10 at 4:30 p.m., the THW started the first 15,000 litre pump at pumping-station No. 19. Three other 15,000 litres pumps followed. The drainage of New Orleans would have taken much more time if these pumps and the THW specialists had not been provided.[20]
The Minister-President of the federal state of Rhineland-Palatinate addressed a letter to the commanders of the American forces stationed in his state offering financial support to those affected by the flooding.
Another German Air Force cargo plane carrying several thousand military rations (MRE) was denied entry into US airspace since, according to US authorities, they were not certified BSE-free. This was disputed by German authorities, pointing out that they were BSE-free according to NATO rules, that US soldiers would eat them regularly during joint operations (e.g. Afghanistan) and that these meals fully complied to UN rules.[21]
Greece
Two cruise ships to house those left homeless, a rescue team, and supplies.
Guatemala
Made offers of help and assistance.
Guyana
Made offers of help and assistance and is organizing a telethon to raise money for victims.
Honduras
Offered 135 flooding and sanitation experts.
Hungary
Pledged $5,000 and offered to send a Special Search and Rescue Team, and also five doctors.
Iceland
Has offered $500,000.
India
India offered to contribute $5 million to the United States Red Cross for relief and rehabilitation of the victims. They also offered to donate medicines and large water purification systems for use in households and small communities in the stricken areas, where potable water was a key concern.[22] India sent tarps, blankets and hygiene kits. An Indian Air Force IL-76 aircraft delivered 25 tonnes of relief supplies for the Hurricane Katrina victims at the Little Rock Air Force Base, Arkansas on September 13, 2005.[23]
Indonesia
Offered to send 45 doctors and 155 other medical staffers and 10,000 blankets to help survivors.
Iran
Offered to send humanitarian aid and 20 million barrels (3,200,000 m3) of crude oil.[18][24]
Iraq
Pledged $1 million to the Red Cross via the Red Crescent.
Republic of Ireland
Offered to send 30 members of the Irish Defence Forces. The Irish army would have supplied thousands of ready meals, tents, blankets, water purification services and medical aid, including first aid kits, crutches and wheelchairs. The group would have included about ten experts in stress debriefing. Six of the troops would have operated two water purification plants. The Irish Government also announced it is to provide initial funding of EUR 1.2 million for the victims.
Israel
Offered field hospitals and hundreds of doctors, nurses, technicians and other experts in trauma, natural disasters and public health.[25]
An Israeli airlift arrived in Little Rock, Arkansas with an eighty-ton shipment of humanitarian aid, including baby food, diapers, water, ready-to-eat meals, clothes, tents, blankets, mattresses, stretchers, first aid kits, wheelchairs, and other medical supplies.
The Magen David Adom began "United Brotherhood Operation," which sent a plane-load of supplies and financial assistance.
IsraAid sent a delegation of medical personnel, psychologists, and experienced search-and-rescue divers. The 18-member team — which included physicians, mental health professionals, trauma specialists, logistics experts and a special unit of Israeli police divers — arrived in St. Bernard Parish and Plaquemines Parish on Sept. 10 and spent a week and a half assisting fire department search-and-rescue squads and sitting in on daily planning meetings that included local leadership and a complement of FEMA, police, military and fire representativesmedical team.[26]
Five universities in Israel welcomed displaced American students from the affected areas and invited both undergraduate and graduate students to continue their studies in Israel.[27] In particular, medical students unable to attend the Tulane University in New Orleans can attend Tel Aviv University's Sackler School of Medicine.[28]
Italy
Italy offered to send two Hercules C130 cargo aircraft fitted with emergency aids, including 300 Adult camp beds, 300 blankets, 600 sheets, 1 suction pump, 6 lifecrafts, 11.200 chlorine tablets, 5 units of large first aid kits, baby food formula pumps, tents and power generators. Italy also offered to send some experts of the Protezione Civile to help coordinating relief efforts in the damaged area.[8]
Jamaica
Made offers of help and assistance.
Japan
The Japanese Foreign Ministry said that it would provide $200,000 to the American Red Cross to assist victims of Hurricane Katrina. Japan also identified needs in affected regions via the U.S. government and provided up to $300,000 in emergency supplies such as tents, blankets and power generators if they receive requests from the U.S. for such assistance. One Japanese individual, Takashi Endo, donated USD 1 million from his personal funds to Katrina relief efforts.[14]
Jordan
Made offers of help and assistance.
Kenya
Offered $100,000.[2] There were also early reports of $400 million in petroleum products being donated from Kenya, though these later proved to be erroneous.[29]
Korea, South
Offered $ 30 million and dispatched a rescue team.[14]
Kuwait
Parliament approved $500 million for aid in oil and other humanitarian aid.
Latvia
Offered a disaster relief team.
Lithuania
Made offers of help and assistance.
Luxembourg
Team of five persons, 1000 camp beds and 2000 blankets.[8]
Malaysia
Pledged $1 million to American Red Cross.
Maldives
Sent $25,000 to American Red Cross.
Mauritania
Promised $200,000 to American Red Cross.
Malta
Made offers of help and assistance.[8]
Mexico
Main article: Mexican response to Hurricane Katrina
Kelly Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas received almost 196 Mexican troops, 14 truckloads of water, a mobile surgical unit, 45 military vehicles, 3 tons of purified water, and more than 250 tons of food, bottled water, canned food, disposable diapers and medical supplies. The Mexican Government sent $1 million through the Mexican Red Cross which collected an additional million, as well as 200 tons of food delivered in five airplanes from the Mexican Air Force by another Mexican Government body. The Mexican Navy sent two ships, 385 troopers, eight all-terrain vehicles, seven amphibious vehicles, two tankers, two helicopters, radio communication equipment, medical personnel and 296 tons of food as well. The state of Jalisco also sent four experts in disaster, while the Federal government offered to send expert teams in epidemiology and to cover the costs of returning any Mexican national back to Mexico.
Mongolia
Pledged $50,000.
Nepal
Pledged $25,000.[30]
The Netherlands
Royal Netherlands Navy Frigate Hr. Ms. Van Amstel arrived from the Netherlands Antilles. The frigate was filled with supplies and had helicopters on board that can be used in rescue actions. Further, The Netherlands sent experts on the subject of water containment and dikes, identification teams and pumps to deliver clean drinking water, F-16s with sophisticated infra red or thermography camera pods (to look for weaknesses in the levees, corpses and hidden survivors) and divers from the Royal Netherlands Marine Corps. On September 7 The U.S. government announced that it would take up the Dutch government's offer to send water pumps, and also five water management experts.
New Zealand
Main article: New Zealand response to Hurricane Katrina
Pledged $2 million though the Red Cross. This contribution was in addition to the offers the government has already made to send an Urban Search and Rescue Team, a Disaster Victim Identification team or post disaster recovery personnel.[31]
Nicaragua
Made offers of help and assistance.
Nigeria
Pledged $1 million to hurricane disaster relief.
Norway
Made offers of help and assistance. An amount of NOK 10 million was given through the Norwegian Red Cross and the UN. In addition, Norway offered divers and medicines.
Oman
Pledged $15 million.
Pakistan
On September 4 Pakistan offered to send a team of doctors and paramedics to support the relief agencies. Pakistan also pledged $1 million through the Red Cross.
Palau
Pledged $50,000.
Papua New Guinea
Promised $10,000 to American Red Cross.
Paraguay
Made offers of help and assistance.
Peru
Offered to send 80-100 doctors to help survivors.
the Philippines
Offered to send a 25-member team of aid workers. The Philippines Red Cross donated $25,000.
Poland
Made offers of help and assistance.
Portugal
Offered tents, mattresses, blankets, hygiene kits. Portugal lent 2% of its strategic oil reserve, equivalent to 500,000 barrels (79,000 m3) of oil.[citation needed]
Qatar
Pledged $100 million to the victims.[32]
Romania
Offered 2 Teams of medical experts.[8]
Russia
Was one of the first countries to offer assistance. Up to four jets were placed on standby at the Ramenskoe airport near Moscow as early as August 30, including heavy Ilyushin Il-76-TDs with special evacuation equipment, medical equipment, a water-cleansing system, a rescue helicopter BK-117 and two special cars; and a passenger IL-62, which brought 10 coordinators and 50 rescuers, as well as 6 tons of drinking water. On September 6, the Bush administration gave its approval.[33]
Saudi Arabia
Saudi Refining, a Houston-based subsidiary of state oil firm Saudi Aramco, donated $5 million to the American Red Cross, as well as $250,000 from AGFUND.
Singapore
Main article: Singaporean response to Hurricane Katrina
Three Singaporean CH-47 Chinook helicopters and thirty-eight RSAF personnel from a training detachment based in Grand Prairie, Texas assisted in relief operations from 1 September. They had so far ferried about 700 evacuees and hauled tons of supplies in 39 sorties on 4 September. One more CH-47 Chinook helicopter was sent to aid in relief efforts.[34]
Slovakia
Promised blankets, beds, first aid kits.
Slovenia
$120,000 worth of cots, mattresses, blankets, temporary shelters and first-aid kits. [35]
Spain
Spain sent 2.1 million barrels (330,000 m3) of crude oil from its strategic reserves (the 1.75% of the Spanish reserves) for a 30 day period.[36] On September 7 two Hercules cargo aircraft took off with 15 tonnes of food rations, electrical generators and batteries, medical equipment and other humanitarian assistance collected by the Agencia Española de Cooperación Internacional (AECI). A second envoy was sent a few days later.[37]
Sri Lanka
Pleged $25,000 for relief efforts.[38]
Sweden
Main article: Swedish response to Hurricane Katrina
Sweden offered to send medical and technical aid, and a Hercules cargo aircraft filled with three complete GSM systems, first aid kits, blankets, Ready-to-eat meals, generators, 2 heavy water purification plants, as well as water sanitation experts. On September 4 the U.S. State Department declined the aid, saying it was currently unable to accept foreign aid packages. On September 12 the Hercules plane left the Gothenburg-Landvetter Airport, carrying a cargo of three Ericsson GSM network systems. A team of technical consultants to help with the aid package was also provided.[39]
Switzerland
Switzerland offered specialised personnel and material to the USA and the World Health Organisation (WHO). In accordance with US requirements, 50 tonnes of rescue equipment were ready to be sent, along with two logisticians of the Direction du développement et de la coopération (DDC, "Swiss Agency for Development and Cooperation") to help coordinate distributions. Four physicians and two water specialists were also put to the disposal of the WHO.
Republic of China (Taiwan)
Pledged more than $3 million to the relief effort, plus supplies.[18]
Thailand
Sent at least 60 doctors and nurses along with rice.
Tunisia
Sent two C-130s with relief supplies.
Turkey
Promised $2.5 million in cash and aid.
Uganda
Offered $200,000.[2]
United Arab Emirates
Pledged $100 million.
United Kingdom
The United Kingdom dispatched 500,000 ration packs worth EUR 3 million, to the region. However, many of the ration packs did not reach victims due to laws regarding mad cow disease[40]. It also offered medical experts, Urban Search and Rescue equipment, Marine engineers and high-volume pumps, skilled personnel including engineers who could support recovery efforts for installations and systems, technicians, staff trained in disaster management and emergency response activities. It also pledged to release an extra 2.2 million barrels (350,000 m3) of oil.[8][41]
Venezuela
President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela offered one million barrels of oil and 5 million dollars in aid to the United States. This aid was rejected by the State Department.[42] State-owned Petróleos de Venezuela, the parent company of Citgo Petroleum Corporation, has also pledged a $2 million donation for hurricane aid.[43] Two mobile hospital units were also offered, but were declined, according to Jesse Jackson.[44]
Vietnam
Pledged $100,000.
Yemen
Pledged $100,000 through the Red Cross.

[edit] Pledges from International Organizations
Below is a list of international governmental organizations offering aid to the people of the United States.

European Union
Any help and assistance that is requested, also agreed to provide oil reserves to the U.S. The U.S. only accepted first aid kits, blankets, water trucks, and 500,000 Ready-to-eat meals.[citation needed]
Habitat for Humanity International
Pledged to help Habitat families and other low-income families in the affected areas recover and rebuild.[45]
International Energy Agency
The Paris-based International Energy Agency agreed to make 60 million barrels (9,500,000 m3) of product available "to help the United States weather the economic problems caused by Hurricane Katrina. The product, crude oil or gasoline, will go to the marketplace over the next month at the rate of 2 million barrels per day (320,000 m³/d)."[46]
IFRC (Red Cross and Red Crescent)
Sent more than 80 disaster experts. The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies launched the largest mobilisation of resources for a single natural disaster, including the recruitment of 1,900 staff and volunteers. All available resources were moved to safe areas so relief efforts could begin immediately after the storm passed. More than 250 emergency response vehicles (ERVs) and countless other Red Cross resources were sent to provide hot meals, snacks, bottled water and distribute other much-needed relief supplies. The Red Cross opened shelters in support of the massive evacuations in all affected states. As of Monday, 29 August, some 230 Red Cross shelters had been opened in Mississippi, Louisiana and Texas, housing over 40,000 people. In coordination with the Southern Baptists, preparations have been made to provide more than 500,000 hot meals each day.[47]
International Medical Corps
deployed a rapid response team to affected areas in Louisiana and Mississippi to determine the needs in impacted communities, provided medical, technical, and financial assistance. From September through December, IMC provided volunteer physicians and nurses to run mobile clinics serving displaced communities in Louisiana, serving more than 13,000 patients. An IMC psychosocial support program provided tools and strategies to school-based staff and volunteers to enable them to cope with their own grief and loss and to address the needs of affected students. IMC also provided structured psychosocial activities for children, adolescents, and their families at a FEMA-established temporary trailer parks.[48]
NATO
Made offers of help and assistance. As of September 4, NATO provided humanitarian aid, such as food, medical supplies, and wheelchairs. NATO was prepared to send troops, but the U.S. government has not issued a request for personnel.
OPEC
Made offers of help and assistance.
Organization of American States
Donated $25,000 to the American Red Cross.
United Nations
The United Nations said it was ready to send supply water storage tanks, water purification tablets, high-energy biscuits, generators, planes, tents and other emergency supplies along with experienced staff members. The UN set up an inter-agency task force composed of representatives from the United Nations Children's Fund, the World Health Organization, the Food and Agriculture Organization, the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees' office and the World Food Program, chaired by the Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) to determine resources available to assist U.S. relief efforts in anticipation of a possible request from the U.S. government.
United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
Made, as an independent agency, offers of help and assistance.
World Health Organization
Made, as an independent agency, offers of help and assistance.

[edit] Actual Funds Used
An article in the April 29, 2007 Washington Post claimed that of the $854 million offered by foreign countries, whom the article dubs "allies," to the US Government, only $40 million of the funds had been spent "for disaster victims or reconstruction" as of the date of publication (less than 5%).[49]

Additionally, a large portion of the $854 million in aid offered went uncollected, including over $400 million in oil (almost 50%).[50]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_response_to_Hurricane_Katrina

 

[Deleted member 66627]

But thats the beauty of it Venray! 9/11 is to the Americans the biggest disaster they will ever witness. This advert says if we don't stop abusing our planet the result will be like hundreds of 9/11s. Its a hard hitting well thought through ad.

edit: i reason from a graphic designers mind set... 🙂

I don't get this. 9/11 wasn't a natural disaster. I see no correlation at all. They'd be better off using something from Katrina.

 

[vladtickleman22]

I don't get this. 9/11 wasn't a natural disaster. I see no correlation at all. They'd be better off using something from Katrina.

Point blank it's just a slap in the face of americans. Basically saying we think 9/11 was the worst thing to happen ever in the entire history of the world. That we are self absorbed bastards and there are much worse things that have happen. Things which killed a lot more people. Such as the tsunami.

 

[Radiohead 7140]

there are very few threads i won't touch, but --

 

[Raytheon]

rofl vladtickleman22 blunt but true. CrystalLight also true!
If you look at advertising the most memorable ads are the wrong ones. Everyone remembers this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgOqZUwuaGs
VW ads are infamous lol but everyone remembers them.

You will remember the 9/11 advert for years and its message. At the end of the day that is the point of advertising.

 

[milagros317]

Note of interest: This wasn't actually an official advert - it was made by a Brazillian advertising company for a competition, and WWF immediately rejected it.

I find it interesting though (not the advert itself particularly, moreso the intent behind it), as it shows a fair amount of disparity as to how the rest of the world views 9/11, and how US citizens view it.

Tasteless, disgusting, and extremely offensive. I'm speaking as a resident of New York City who smelled the stench of the burning towers and breathed it in.

How would you like it if a video of your mother being murdered was shown in an ad to make a point? That's the best analogy I can make.

I believe in freedom of speech. They are free to make such a video. I am free to hate their fucking guts.

 

[kis123]

I will say this, though...

It's weird that if the World Wildlife Fund uses 9/11 to make a point about the environment and the consequences of disrespecting our planet, it's totally tasteless and obscene.

But if the President uses 9/11 to con America into supporting a war in which many more Americans will die than did on 9/11, that's...not tasteless and obscene?

Actually it's tasteless, obscene, and despicable.

And I have to agree with those who feel that comparing natural disasters than cannot be controlled with 9/11 where none of it had to happen at all is beyond ridiculous and basically tacky way to prove a point.

Although many Americans (I won't lump all in the same category) are shortsighted to what goes on in the world, that doesn't make them selfish or uncaring. When the Tsunami occured, I gave money I should've been spending on my family's needs to the aid efforts. I wonder how many foreign countries were contributing when hurricane Katrina took out an entire city?

People can take the shots, jabs, and backhanded lobs to criticize Americans and the way we live, but should remember this lovely video the next time they need a handout from the US, especially Brazil. Even with the negative history in the US, we have historically been the ones to come to when a country needs help. Now that we're finally trying to help ourselves, I wonder where this "brilliant" video is really all about.....

As Venray said......apples to kumquats.

 

[..Glamorous..]

Tasteless, disgusting, and extremely offensive. I'm speaking as a resident of New York City who smelled the stench of the burning towers and breathed it in.

How would you like it if a video of your mother being murdered was shown in an ad to make a point? That's the best analogy I can make.

I believe in freedom of speech. They are free to make such a video. I am free to hate their fucking guts.

This is EXACTLY how I feel about it!

 

[Mister Scruff]

Tasteless, disgusting, and extremely offensive. I'm speaking as a resident of New York City who smelled the stench of the burning towers and breathed it in.

How would you like it if a video of your mother being murdered was shown in an ad to make a point? That's the best analogy I can make.

And it's a shitty, manipulative one.

I believe in freedom of speech. They are free to make such a video. I am free to hate their fucking guts.

As long as they're still free to make such videos it's all good.

 

[kis123]

As apposed to not having a war and potentially facing even more awful tragedies? It was a perfect example as to why we NEEDED to go to war, to DEFEND our country. It was not a "con" as you put it.

To defend our country from what exactly?

WMD--that never existed

From that so called "connection" between Hussein and Bin Laden (that never existed)?

From exactly what are we defending our country from?

If Bush would've said, "we're going to Afganistan and turning over every cave until we find Bin Laden", I might have gone for it. But no WMD, no proven connection to Bin Laden?? Just a bunch of rhetoric to get the "patriots" rumbling and we're off to a war we can't manage to get ourselves out of.

Oh yeah, we're fighting for democracy in Iraq!! That's right, I forgot that old "axis of evil" nonsense. More rhetoric, more lies; he was going to war whether we wanted to or not. Now he's out of office and so much damage has been done to US soldiers and I won't even discuss how many Iraqi citizens may have gotten in the cross hairs.

Simply put, just like 9/11, this is something that never had to happen.

 

[kis123]

And it's a shitty, manipulative one.

No more manipulative than creating an "advertisement" such as the one described in the OP. When was the last time Brazil was attacked by terrorists? And so close to the 9/11 "anniversary"? Can someone please tell me what this has to do with the Tsunami? That's not manipulative to you?

I simply find your calling someone manipulative who had to smell burning flesh and breathe in jet fuel, ashes, and God knows what else New Yorkers had to (and probably still) endure........well.......I honestly don't understand the thought process behind it.

I have to agree with vlad; no more than a cold hard slap to Americans minimizing one of the worst attacks against our nation during my lifetime anyway. I only wonder if this situation was in reverse, how happy Brazilians would be about it??

As long as they're still free to make such videos it's all good.

Oh yes, they are free to make all the tasteless, tacky, manipulative videos they want. They can even make them at Americans' expense under the guise of freedom of speech and expression.

 

[Mister Scruff]

No more manipulative than creating an "advertisement" such as the one described in the OP.

Depending on your perspective it is, at best, the same non-logic. From where I'm sitting, as a person whose mother wasn't murdered in the WTC attacks, it's shitty and manipulative.

When was the last time Brazil was attacked by terrorists?

Is this the Brazil where 10 year olds carry guns, the police execute restrained, unarmed suspects in the street, leprosy is still a problem, and prison consists of 60 men, one room, and a bucket? I'd say they have enough problems without terrorism.

Don't believe the Snoop Dogg/ Justin Timberlake videos of sparkly girls and golden beaches; Brazil is a fucking shithole.

And so close to the 9/11 "anniversary"?

I'd be very surprised if they made it to coincide with the anniversary, or indeed the anniversary even occurred to them. September 11th in Brazil is most likely a day when the national media outlets make some mention of the WTC attacks whilst everyone just goes on with their lives.

Same as it is in the UK.

Can someone please tell me what this has to do with the Tsunami? That's not manipulative to you?

Tangental, yes; but I don't see how comparing a natural disaster to a terrorist attack is the same as comparing a natural disaster to watching a video of my mother being murdered.

I simply find your calling someone manipulative who had to smell burning flesh and breathe in jet fuel, ashes, and God knows what else New Yorkers had to (and probably still) endure........well.......I honestly don't understand the thought process behind it.

Because you can have lived through something like that, and STILL make manipulative comparisons. He was attempting to manipulate people's feelings by likening the comparison to watching mothers being murdered; just like how you're being manipulative by drawing attention to the suffering of New Yorkers in order to excuse what he said. Ad hominem works both ways.

I have to agree with vlad; no more than a cold hard slap to Americans minimizing one of the worst attacks against our nation during my lifetime anyway.

Then you're guilty of the same sort of parochial myopia that he is. The world doesn't revolve around the US; my money is that the film-makers responsible made a badly-judged attempt to shock people into caring about ecological issues, rather than doing it just to spite Americans.

And the WTC attack was the single deadliest terrorist attack in human history, to my knowledge. I'd still feel far more disturbed watching a video of my mother being murdered than I ever have watching footage of the planes hitting the buildings.

I only wonder if this situation was in reverse, how happy Brazilians would be about it??

A lot of them probably wouldn't care, being as how a lot of them live in abject poverty (and I don't mean "social housing cheque once a month" poverty either).

Oh yes, they are free to make all the tasteless, tacky, manipulative videos they want. They can even make them at Americans' expense under the guise of freedom of speech and expression.

I'm not even sure where to start with this...

 

[Raytheon]

Oh yes, they are free to make all the tasteless, tacky, manipulative videos they want. They can even make them at Americans' expense under the guise of freedom of speech and expression.

I'm not even sure where to start with this...

claim they have WMD?

 

[Capnmad]

The point is lost. The message is too mixed. I get from it that our planet is now a threatening place at war with us, and we should "respect" it... ...I guess like we "respect" terrorists?

So forget conservation. Let's blow this motherfucker up.

 

[meangry]

The problem with this is that I have seen the parody work done about 9/11, and have laughed. We are at the point of disconnection in this country where the event is still powerful, but at the same time not. It's a really weird place to be in psychologically.

But black humor aside, I am an American, and I am proud of my heritage. But the tone of the ad is that tsunami>WTC, and that's just wrong. Life is life at the end of the day, and they are both tragedies which had undesirable consequences. The events themselves are not known because of the numbers of the dead. Nobody knows Jonestown by the amount of life lost. They just know there was a time where the Earth shook, men and women fading into oblivion.

I think the advertisement is in poor taste.

 

[Mister Scruff]

claim they have WMD?

Well, the Brazilians DO have the right to tear down large chunks of the Amazon... which will cause massive ecological problems and natural disasters... so, using the Brazilian's own logic, they are terrorists and must be stopped by a coalition of the willing post-haste!!!11

 

[natural tickler]

The point is lost. The message is too mixed. I get from it that our planet is now a threatening place at war with us, and we should "respect" it... ...I guess like we "respect" terrorists?

So forget conservation. Let's blow this motherfucker up.

I'll bring the C4