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Iluv2Btickled
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I agree. I used to come to this site for videos, chats and stories, in that order.
Now everyone is trying to make you pay just to see a person get tickled. That's why I like rocking. All his clips are free. He's the only person I know that has good quality clips that are free. I'm really tired of previews, and would like to have and entire clip or movie of a good tickle scene, w/o dishing out money or more impotant my card number online🙁
Now everyone is trying to make you pay just to see a person get tickled. That's why I like rocking. All his clips are free. He's the only person I know that has good quality clips that are free. I'm really tired of previews, and would like to have and entire clip or movie of a good tickle scene, w/o dishing out money or more impotant my card number online🙁
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i'll bite. (and get flamed for it)
i have nothing against the rocking personally, but the fact is that he never spends one red cent to produce HIS OWN tickling material. he simply takes what producers have spent time and money to create, and lets people download it... 😱
so saying "his clips are free" is kinda hard to swallow for the producers.
i have nothing against the rocking personally, but the fact is that he never spends one red cent to produce HIS OWN tickling material. he simply takes what producers have spent time and money to create, and lets people download it... 😱
so saying "his clips are free" is kinda hard to swallow for the producers.
Uncle Steve (TickleFlix) put a free promo clip on this board sometime back and guess what, it got him a paying customer.
ME !!!
That's called marketing. It worked for Uncle Steve.
No way in hell will I EVER put my credit card number on the net to see a $4.99 'promo', with all the attendant exposure to billing and cancellation hassles.
If your stuff is any good, show it to us and if we like it we'll buy it.
ME !!!
That's called marketing. It worked for Uncle Steve.
No way in hell will I EVER put my credit card number on the net to see a $4.99 'promo', with all the attendant exposure to billing and cancellation hassles.
If your stuff is any good, show it to us and if we like it we'll buy it.
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It really is a precarious situation video producers are in.
We have some small experience producing our own videos as well
as a paysite. However, our site doesn't really compete with the
other tickling video producers or sites since we are a sub-fetish
with no real market to speak of. In addition, our site is a members club whose fees go to pay for the up keep.
However, tickler n black raises a valid point. He and other producers
pay a considerable amount to hire models and to film them. Anytime
a clip intended for purchase ends up on someone's yahoo group, the newgroups, forums or person to person sharing; its one less clip they can count on selling. Yes, it will still be sold, but far less copies than if it were not readily available in a dozen other venues for free.
We would all like to get clips and pics and stories for free. Unfortunately, it just isn't going to happen. Someone has to pay for it. 99% of the clips any of us download for free came from some
video a person or persons produced with money and the intention of selling it to make a profit. Most are just short clips, but there are a lot of full videos floating around out there for download.
You can look no further than edonkey or kazaa to see this.
In addition, the move to downloading streaming videos or 5 minute
bites has grown on adult sites. It begs the question,
why should consumers pay companies for the same item they can download for free? The answer is another question. Why should the producer spend money creating something we can just download elsewhere for free?
In the end, either we check ourselves and stop downloading for free
(not likely) or companies are going to just stop producing. The porn industry won't disapear. They can take a hit. Small fetish companies
like the tickling ones we love to complain about but also love to download material from may have to fold.
Now...are we just preaching for the producers because we are producers? Not really. No one's pirating our stuff all over creation.
We see some here and there, but since we are not out to make money
our prices are much lower making our material easier to access legally. No, we do understand the frustration customers have not being able to see "free" or "preview" clips. A lot of producers
show clips for a lot of their products. A lot of of them don't and great many more don't show samples for all of their product.
This poses a problem for customers who don't want to buy something without seeing what they are getting. In particular, the streaming short clips sites are moving towards selling are a big complaint.
Sites don't want to show a preview for a 5 minute clip. Those sites
might want to reconsider and show a sample clip in length relative to
the length of the full clip. If its five minutes, then show 15-30 second. If its 30 minutes then show at least 30 seconds. Our own clip previews are a minute long as are a number of other producers, but not nearly a majority.
In the end, there has to be a happy medium the producer and customer
can agree on. If we don't find it we are both going to lose. The producer folds up shop because his costs exceed his profit and the customer runs out of venues and choices of multimedia they can view.
just an observation
LGZ
We have some small experience producing our own videos as well
as a paysite. However, our site doesn't really compete with the
other tickling video producers or sites since we are a sub-fetish
with no real market to speak of. In addition, our site is a members club whose fees go to pay for the up keep.
However, tickler n black raises a valid point. He and other producers
pay a considerable amount to hire models and to film them. Anytime
a clip intended for purchase ends up on someone's yahoo group, the newgroups, forums or person to person sharing; its one less clip they can count on selling. Yes, it will still be sold, but far less copies than if it were not readily available in a dozen other venues for free.
We would all like to get clips and pics and stories for free. Unfortunately, it just isn't going to happen. Someone has to pay for it. 99% of the clips any of us download for free came from some
video a person or persons produced with money and the intention of selling it to make a profit. Most are just short clips, but there are a lot of full videos floating around out there for download.
You can look no further than edonkey or kazaa to see this.
In addition, the move to downloading streaming videos or 5 minute
bites has grown on adult sites. It begs the question,
why should consumers pay companies for the same item they can download for free? The answer is another question. Why should the producer spend money creating something we can just download elsewhere for free?
In the end, either we check ourselves and stop downloading for free
(not likely) or companies are going to just stop producing. The porn industry won't disapear. They can take a hit. Small fetish companies
like the tickling ones we love to complain about but also love to download material from may have to fold.
Now...are we just preaching for the producers because we are producers? Not really. No one's pirating our stuff all over creation.
We see some here and there, but since we are not out to make money
our prices are much lower making our material easier to access legally. No, we do understand the frustration customers have not being able to see "free" or "preview" clips. A lot of producers
show clips for a lot of their products. A lot of of them don't and great many more don't show samples for all of their product.
This poses a problem for customers who don't want to buy something without seeing what they are getting. In particular, the streaming short clips sites are moving towards selling are a big complaint.
Sites don't want to show a preview for a 5 minute clip. Those sites
might want to reconsider and show a sample clip in length relative to
the length of the full clip. If its five minutes, then show 15-30 second. If its 30 minutes then show at least 30 seconds. Our own clip previews are a minute long as are a number of other producers, but not nearly a majority.
In the end, there has to be a happy medium the producer and customer
can agree on. If we don't find it we are both going to lose. The producer folds up shop because his costs exceed his profit and the customer runs out of venues and choices of multimedia they can view.
just an observation
LGZ
Since we're talking about tickle vids and DVD's here, and I know that several producers hang out on this board, let's see if I can find a way to say this without hurting some feelings...
oh hell I can't so I'll just go ahead and hurt some feelings.
The Japanese tickling material that I see on the net outclasses domestic (US) tickling material by a factor of no less than 10 for quality and desirability. Period. That's my feeling and I know I'm not alone. I just wish there was a way I could buy it.
Take a look at TickleJapan... or Wanz... or Walker... or Baby Entertainment.
Why can't you guys do that instead of taking some... oh never mind.
Find a way to emulate what they do, or find a way to distribute their stuff here in the US for a cut of the take.
oh hell I can't so I'll just go ahead and hurt some feelings.
The Japanese tickling material that I see on the net outclasses domestic (US) tickling material by a factor of no less than 10 for quality and desirability. Period. That's my feeling and I know I'm not alone. I just wish there was a way I could buy it.
Take a look at TickleJapan... or Wanz... or Walker... or Baby Entertainment.
Why can't you guys do that instead of taking some... oh never mind.
Find a way to emulate what they do, or find a way to distribute their stuff here in the US for a cut of the take.
Excellent post LGZ, of course there are economics involved.
But did I understand you correctly when you said
"We see some here and there, but since we are not out to make money
our prices are much lower making our material easier to access legally."
Not out to make money ?
I guess my main gripe (though I realize I represent an opinion of exatcly '1'...me) is quality. There is just TOOOOO much sameo sameo 'product' available to buy.
To all producers:
Jeff comes close to 'good stuff'..... but even.. Jeff.. could take a .. lesson from the.. Japs. Sorry Jeff.
there is a clip out there in cyberspace called 'Reflections' (I THINK... could be wrong on the name). It was recently mentioned here on this forum, can't locate the post. Past few days. Lost my copy months ago.
It shows a Japanese gal having her foot held up and tickled by her boyfriend, shows her facial reactions, etc. About 10 seconds long.
Now THAT is marketable quality. Give us some of that or start distributing Japanese material here in the U.S.
Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
But did I understand you correctly when you said
"We see some here and there, but since we are not out to make money
our prices are much lower making our material easier to access legally."
Not out to make money ?
I guess my main gripe (though I realize I represent an opinion of exatcly '1'...me) is quality. There is just TOOOOO much sameo sameo 'product' available to buy.
To all producers:
Jeff comes close to 'good stuff'..... but even.. Jeff.. could take a .. lesson from the.. Japs. Sorry Jeff.
there is a clip out there in cyberspace called 'Reflections' (I THINK... could be wrong on the name). It was recently mentioned here on this forum, can't locate the post. Past few days. Lost my copy months ago.
It shows a Japanese gal having her foot held up and tickled by her boyfriend, shows her facial reactions, etc. About 10 seconds long.
Now THAT is marketable quality. Give us some of that or start distributing Japanese material here in the U.S.
Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Price and tracking.
First, I'm not going to pay 20, 30, or 40 bucks (and some places would laugh at those low prices) for a 30-to-60 minute tape. Think it over, for 5 or 10 bucks, you get a 90 minute air conditioned room with a 50-foot screen and a sound system that is one zillion times better than my little plastic speakers on my desk.
Secondly, and more importantly,,,
My credit card number is never going anywhere close to a (misnomered) "fetish" website of any kind.
Look,,,,
Make a downloadable form. Create a unique ID and password for the user. The user sends in that form and $5 for registration and a "free" first month. The user can download X-amount of material during the month. (Compelling sales example: Make it at least 5 times as much as he can get from a movie theater.)
At the end of the month, the user sends in $5 again, and his account is refreshed. Else, his account is suspended.
You might even want to try (horrors, you'd have to hire someone and create an employment position) web cam and/or voice ID with live humans checking the users.
Anyway, what could you video producers do with a thousand users paying $5 a month ? What about three thousand paying $3 a month ?
Imagine five thousand people paying you $20 for a six-months' subscription. I think that's $100K. What kind of quality and quantity of videos could you guys produce with that kind of budget ? Could you produce six good 60-to-90 minute tickling videos in that time frame with that budget ?
All numbers are being made up out of thin air, based on what I think would be very attractive price/product points. As the video producers can quickly see, I'm not in the business (and have no intention of entering).
Think about it: 20 bucks, six full-length tickling videos. Let the distribution be the internet.
Is five thousand anywhere near a realistic expectation for a customer base with $20 ? Could $10 for three months and three videos work ?
Although price is important, the other factor cannot be overstressed; there must be no paper trail connecting a person's personal identity (i.e., credit card, mailing addresses, name, phone, anything like that) to anything remotely close to tickling videos. Look, if you're dealing with crooks, you've got an IP address. Believe me, you're not dealing with that type of person. Sad as it is, the vanilla world still hates us. It would have to be money orders or something that doesn't have a person's name/bank/etc. attached to it.
Anyway, is this anywhere near reality and profits and happy customers; all in the same basket at the same time ?
First, I'm not going to pay 20, 30, or 40 bucks (and some places would laugh at those low prices) for a 30-to-60 minute tape. Think it over, for 5 or 10 bucks, you get a 90 minute air conditioned room with a 50-foot screen and a sound system that is one zillion times better than my little plastic speakers on my desk.
Secondly, and more importantly,,,
My credit card number is never going anywhere close to a (misnomered) "fetish" website of any kind.
Look,,,,
Make a downloadable form. Create a unique ID and password for the user. The user sends in that form and $5 for registration and a "free" first month. The user can download X-amount of material during the month. (Compelling sales example: Make it at least 5 times as much as he can get from a movie theater.)
At the end of the month, the user sends in $5 again, and his account is refreshed. Else, his account is suspended.
You might even want to try (horrors, you'd have to hire someone and create an employment position) web cam and/or voice ID with live humans checking the users.
Anyway, what could you video producers do with a thousand users paying $5 a month ? What about three thousand paying $3 a month ?
Imagine five thousand people paying you $20 for a six-months' subscription. I think that's $100K. What kind of quality and quantity of videos could you guys produce with that kind of budget ? Could you produce six good 60-to-90 minute tickling videos in that time frame with that budget ?
All numbers are being made up out of thin air, based on what I think would be very attractive price/product points. As the video producers can quickly see, I'm not in the business (and have no intention of entering).
Think about it: 20 bucks, six full-length tickling videos. Let the distribution be the internet.
Is five thousand anywhere near a realistic expectation for a customer base with $20 ? Could $10 for three months and three videos work ?
Although price is important, the other factor cannot be overstressed; there must be no paper trail connecting a person's personal identity (i.e., credit card, mailing addresses, name, phone, anything like that) to anything remotely close to tickling videos. Look, if you're dealing with crooks, you've got an IP address. Believe me, you're not dealing with that type of person. Sad as it is, the vanilla world still hates us. It would have to be money orders or something that doesn't have a person's name/bank/etc. attached to it.
Anyway, is this anywhere near reality and profits and happy customers; all in the same basket at the same time ?
laughinggaszone
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tk pervert...
Not out to make money ? Yes that is correct or more correct lgz is
not out to make a profit. Its not even feasible given the low draw
a sub fetish has. We use whatever we make to pay artists, models, writers and bandwidth. If we were out to make profit then we would have to charge more which is one of the pitfalls the tickling companies face. For most of them it is a way of making a living.
P50...
We can understand your reluctance to use your credit card online, but the general reason for customers unwillingness is not from personal experience but the "horror" stories they hear. That may not be the case with you, we don't know. We can say from experience that we have used our own cards many times online with adult sites with no more hassle than using our card at non adult site such as Amazon or Ebay.
Its not a perfect system, but we don't think its the horror many customers are led to believe it is.
As for hiring people and lowering prices to draw in more people thus generating more profit? Looks good on paper but it doesn't work that way. Cutting the prices doesn't draw in the big crowds as you might think. You do get more traffic but at what cost. More bandwidth usage
with less dollars paying for and you still have your original overhead
you were paying when you were making more per customer.
lgz
Not out to make money ? Yes that is correct or more correct lgz is
not out to make a profit. Its not even feasible given the low draw
a sub fetish has. We use whatever we make to pay artists, models, writers and bandwidth. If we were out to make profit then we would have to charge more which is one of the pitfalls the tickling companies face. For most of them it is a way of making a living.
P50...
We can understand your reluctance to use your credit card online, but the general reason for customers unwillingness is not from personal experience but the "horror" stories they hear. That may not be the case with you, we don't know. We can say from experience that we have used our own cards many times online with adult sites with no more hassle than using our card at non adult site such as Amazon or Ebay.
Its not a perfect system, but we don't think its the horror many customers are led to believe it is.
As for hiring people and lowering prices to draw in more people thus generating more profit? Looks good on paper but it doesn't work that way. Cutting the prices doesn't draw in the big crowds as you might think. You do get more traffic but at what cost. More bandwidth usage
with less dollars paying for and you still have your original overhead
you were paying when you were making more per customer.
lgz
tib, i would happily buy your online clips if i could. sadly, i only possess a debit card (switch) and therefore cannot buy any of your clips. have you ever consdiered using paypal instead(he says naivly 🙄 ) ? i know they allow transfers by debit card.
While we are writing out wish lists about what we want for free, here's a couple.
1. Super Bowl tickets
2. A date with ANY Playboy playmate (circa 1990 of course)
3. A new Lexus (any model)
The silly point I am trying to make, is that the things most wanted in life ARE NOT FREE. TIB said it right when he said The Rocking is giving away clips he didn't produce and in essence might be free for us, but not free for the people that made them. Don't get me wrong, I download Rocking clips all the time (Did someone say Magic cards?) but as a card carrying member of the "I pay for play regularly" club I feel we MUST give our hard earned nickels to these pay sites if we EVER expect to see new "free" clips in circulation in the future. I think most of the pay site owners would agree that more money spent on their product would produce better and varied fare. That said I am going to wait for those Super Bowl tickets in the mail...game is only 6 days away..lol.
1. Super Bowl tickets
2. A date with ANY Playboy playmate (circa 1990 of course)
3. A new Lexus (any model)
The silly point I am trying to make, is that the things most wanted in life ARE NOT FREE. TIB said it right when he said The Rocking is giving away clips he didn't produce and in essence might be free for us, but not free for the people that made them. Don't get me wrong, I download Rocking clips all the time (Did someone say Magic cards?) but as a card carrying member of the "I pay for play regularly" club I feel we MUST give our hard earned nickels to these pay sites if we EVER expect to see new "free" clips in circulation in the future. I think most of the pay site owners would agree that more money spent on their product would produce better and varied fare. That said I am going to wait for those Super Bowl tickets in the mail...game is only 6 days away..lol.
footamateur
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Let me tell something......
i can understand the reason of each person , but think that nothing is for free 🙁
If i want video for free i go on the file sharing programs and download the tickling stuff, but someone, somewhere bought those stuff, right? and SOMEONE produce the stuff right?
So the point is:
Free video on file sharing----> the company didn't have money to pay models, bandwidth, etc----->no video to share, even for those that want to have a membership 🙁(((( i hope that this 'll never happen!!!!!
This is the same case of the other things......someone remember napster?, someone buy some original games, dvd or cd?, someone remember what mean look something in a shop (even a buick ^_^), then decide to buy it or not?...nothing is for free, but maybe the price should be different 🙂; i don't know how much is to let a tickling video company alive, but i think that in some case all of us should give a hand and help, in this way the producers can have less work and can save more money to give to us good stuff at low price 🙂
For the problem of the promo.....if i can see a good promo (not fake promo, made only to catch the peoples...i don't want to say where i seen it), i'm happy to buy if i like what the others sell! i've bought clips everywhere!!!!! and some are good, and some are bad, but maybe if i can see a promo, real promo, maybe i can spend better my money.
to all: the companies that produce tickling video aren't holliwood, mgm or warner....so they can close easily if all of us don't give to them a help......try to thing that we are a family.....we are a lot of peoples that like the tickling stuff, but if we'll continue to ask for good and free stuff...maybe we'll have only the old stuff that we have on our hd or dvd or vhs....because i think that noone will survive in this condition! 🙁
and this is for the producer: PLEASE....prices that are good enough for all (3$ vor a 5 min clip and 25$ for a whole video of about 60 min); paypal payments!, so all can buy (erase ccbill....i have 3 cards and only the discovery is accepted there), and try to make better videos....maybe asking to the peoples that will BUY THEM what they want inside the videos!!!! 😉 anyway a good work is done...not for all the companies but almost for all.
Good idea for the 5 min clips, so i can download (without receive the tape at my home) only what i like.
For JEff and TIB : why you stopped to make videos on the sites www.magict.com and www.realtickling.com? if you can give the old videos to the comunity...maybe making a member area so the member can download them for a little payment, like www.dungeonmaiden.com, that sell the video but make them available for the download for the member. IS only my idea...maybe someone can like it and someone not 😉
PS: if the company will close...all of you will buy a videocamera and will begin to record girlfriends...sisters...friends tickled to give them to the community for free??????? i think no 😉
Bye to all and love and peace and tickling!!!!!!!
i can understand the reason of each person , but think that nothing is for free 🙁
If i want video for free i go on the file sharing programs and download the tickling stuff, but someone, somewhere bought those stuff, right? and SOMEONE produce the stuff right?
So the point is:
Free video on file sharing----> the company didn't have money to pay models, bandwidth, etc----->no video to share, even for those that want to have a membership 🙁(((( i hope that this 'll never happen!!!!!
This is the same case of the other things......someone remember napster?, someone buy some original games, dvd or cd?, someone remember what mean look something in a shop (even a buick ^_^), then decide to buy it or not?...nothing is for free, but maybe the price should be different 🙂; i don't know how much is to let a tickling video company alive, but i think that in some case all of us should give a hand and help, in this way the producers can have less work and can save more money to give to us good stuff at low price 🙂
For the problem of the promo.....if i can see a good promo (not fake promo, made only to catch the peoples...i don't want to say where i seen it), i'm happy to buy if i like what the others sell! i've bought clips everywhere!!!!! and some are good, and some are bad, but maybe if i can see a promo, real promo, maybe i can spend better my money.
to all: the companies that produce tickling video aren't holliwood, mgm or warner....so they can close easily if all of us don't give to them a help......try to thing that we are a family.....we are a lot of peoples that like the tickling stuff, but if we'll continue to ask for good and free stuff...maybe we'll have only the old stuff that we have on our hd or dvd or vhs....because i think that noone will survive in this condition! 🙁
and this is for the producer: PLEASE....prices that are good enough for all (3$ vor a 5 min clip and 25$ for a whole video of about 60 min); paypal payments!, so all can buy (erase ccbill....i have 3 cards and only the discovery is accepted there), and try to make better videos....maybe asking to the peoples that will BUY THEM what they want inside the videos!!!! 😉 anyway a good work is done...not for all the companies but almost for all.
Good idea for the 5 min clips, so i can download (without receive the tape at my home) only what i like.
For JEff and TIB : why you stopped to make videos on the sites www.magict.com and www.realtickling.com? if you can give the old videos to the comunity...maybe making a member area so the member can download them for a little payment, like www.dungeonmaiden.com, that sell the video but make them available for the download for the member. IS only my idea...maybe someone can like it and someone not 😉
PS: if the company will close...all of you will buy a videocamera and will begin to record girlfriends...sisters...friends tickled to give them to the community for free??????? i think no 😉
Bye to all and love and peace and tickling!!!!!!!
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coolman said:
we do! 🙂 we do take Pay Pal
go see this page.
http://ticklingwomen.net/5minutes/sending20.htm
i have nothing againt those who charge for their clips. i won't personnaly buy anything that i haven't previewed, but that's just me. individual buyers make their own decisions. i just think it's sad that few are sharing new, old or whatever clips to gerenate discussion and such. mostly it's just ads for paysites...and what trips my trigger are those like Tickleworld who call attention to their new clips, while using the same sample clip thev've used for months. it's about the third time they've pulled that stunt. then of course, there's silvercherry which offered the free preview clip that---whoops---isn't and wasn't really there. you would think the censors would have pulled that thread by now...but that's another story.
laughinggaszone
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well igolfer...what you have is an industry building up around
a hobby. Fifteen years ago there were maybe 3-4 companies that
handled tickling exclusively. The selection was minimal because
the producers were just starting out and didn't know what the
customer wanted. It was pretty much standard tickling fair. Now we have dozens of companies that cater to a variety of tickling themes..
we have asian, black, gay, breast tickling, sock tickling, belly button tickling, laughing gas tickling, horror movie tickling...its a huge selection that was not available 15 years ago.
Try finding a video with a hot black chick being tickled fifteen years ago. Before Ana and Andre and eventually Ebony Ticklers it was very scarce. You had the straight lace no creativity tickling market just starting to move from the swinger's magazines and fan produced
news letters to the world wide web.
None of this could have happened without people being inovative AND sinking money into their ideas. So all the free stuff you speak of was never free and there was no plethora(what's a plethora) of preview clips. Its just that over the years, people who have bought tapes have digitized clips when they got some new toy for their computer and wanted to try it out. They shared those clips with people who shared the clips. Thus was born the rockings of the internet.
As for your statements about certain companies recycling old clips and simply using the various forums as ad space...there is truth in that. They are out to make money and the forums are the best place to
get the exposure. It would also be helpful to give the audience a regular taste of new product. As Eddie Murphy said..."What have you done for me lately?" Companies hoping to keep loyal customers on
last weeks flavor are running the risk of losing those customers.
You have to keep turning out new prduct and giving the potential customer a taste.
a hobby. Fifteen years ago there were maybe 3-4 companies that
handled tickling exclusively. The selection was minimal because
the producers were just starting out and didn't know what the
customer wanted. It was pretty much standard tickling fair. Now we have dozens of companies that cater to a variety of tickling themes..
we have asian, black, gay, breast tickling, sock tickling, belly button tickling, laughing gas tickling, horror movie tickling...its a huge selection that was not available 15 years ago.
Try finding a video with a hot black chick being tickled fifteen years ago. Before Ana and Andre and eventually Ebony Ticklers it was very scarce. You had the straight lace no creativity tickling market just starting to move from the swinger's magazines and fan produced
news letters to the world wide web.
None of this could have happened without people being inovative AND sinking money into their ideas. So all the free stuff you speak of was never free and there was no plethora(what's a plethora) of preview clips. Its just that over the years, people who have bought tapes have digitized clips when they got some new toy for their computer and wanted to try it out. They shared those clips with people who shared the clips. Thus was born the rockings of the internet.
As for your statements about certain companies recycling old clips and simply using the various forums as ad space...there is truth in that. They are out to make money and the forums are the best place to
get the exposure. It would also be helpful to give the audience a regular taste of new product. As Eddie Murphy said..."What have you done for me lately?" Companies hoping to keep loyal customers on
last weeks flavor are running the risk of losing those customers.
You have to keep turning out new prduct and giving the potential customer a taste.
The_rocking
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I never wish that the tickling industry stop producing because I share clips.
I post clips that was send them to my e-mail, even full-lenght videos by amateurs.
I post clips that I download to tickling sites, like ANA, tickletheater, Josie's page etc. but just previews.
In some updates I just drag and drop clips, some of those clips are copyrighted, and when they told me to removed I removed inmediatly.
Maybe I live in a word of sharing, love, globes, music and piñatas. In the past I was a guy who only looks for downloads and then I thought is time to payback. That's why I create a free tickling clips page.
Because of many copiright and the feel that I steal intelectual material I wish to shut down my page in many times.
Maybe it's the time to do it, or maybe not.
I think I contribute a lot to the tickling industry because I own more than 60 titles and more than 70 pay per view clips that I pay for them of various tickling companies.
I know that it does gives me the right to post copyright material, that's why I try to be more careful in my updates.
Tickling Paradise allows me to share 3 clips per update but no more, Renee told me that is ok, the only thing she ask me for is to change the tickling paradise banner for a new one.
And you know something?... very few tickling companies thanks me to have a link/banner in my popular page of they company.
Tickler in Black saids I never spend "even a red penny", well...my goverment, daddy or mommy and job DOES NOT PAY for the hosting and the connection.
In resume. I love to share, I love tickling and I apreciate what the tickling video companies produce for us.
I post clips that was send them to my e-mail, even full-lenght videos by amateurs.
I post clips that I download to tickling sites, like ANA, tickletheater, Josie's page etc. but just previews.
In some updates I just drag and drop clips, some of those clips are copyrighted, and when they told me to removed I removed inmediatly.
Maybe I live in a word of sharing, love, globes, music and piñatas. In the past I was a guy who only looks for downloads and then I thought is time to payback. That's why I create a free tickling clips page.
Because of many copiright and the feel that I steal intelectual material I wish to shut down my page in many times.
Maybe it's the time to do it, or maybe not.
I think I contribute a lot to the tickling industry because I own more than 60 titles and more than 70 pay per view clips that I pay for them of various tickling companies.
I know that it does gives me the right to post copyright material, that's why I try to be more careful in my updates.
Tickling Paradise allows me to share 3 clips per update but no more, Renee told me that is ok, the only thing she ask me for is to change the tickling paradise banner for a new one.
And you know something?... very few tickling companies thanks me to have a link/banner in my popular page of they company.
Tickler in Black saids I never spend "even a red penny", well...my goverment, daddy or mommy and job DOES NOT PAY for the hosting and the connection.
In resume. I love to share, I love tickling and I apreciate what the tickling video companies produce for us.
laughinggaszone
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Rocking...you...like the video producer are in a difficult position.
You contribute more than 99% of the people out there. Most of us are just lurkers while you make an effort to give back and continue to do so. Unfortunately, some of what you give is not yours to give.
You may pay for the rite to download it for yourself, but under the current copyright laws that is where it stops. Until those laws are changed, you and anyone else who shares pay for play clips are cutting into video companies' profits. How deep the cut actually is, is debatable.
Your philosophy of "Maybe I live in a word of sharing, love, globes, music and piñatas." goes against itself when you "steal" the profits
from the video companies by giving away their product for free. Do you steal from those you "love". We are not saying your either a thief or a bad person but we believe the point is made. One way or another..someone loses. Either you don't give all of us "free lunches" at the video companies expense or we do get the free lunch and find the resteraunt won't be open for dinner because they can't pay the bills.
lgz
You contribute more than 99% of the people out there. Most of us are just lurkers while you make an effort to give back and continue to do so. Unfortunately, some of what you give is not yours to give.
You may pay for the rite to download it for yourself, but under the current copyright laws that is where it stops. Until those laws are changed, you and anyone else who shares pay for play clips are cutting into video companies' profits. How deep the cut actually is, is debatable.
Your philosophy of "Maybe I live in a word of sharing, love, globes, music and piñatas." goes against itself when you "steal" the profits
from the video companies by giving away their product for free. Do you steal from those you "love". We are not saying your either a thief or a bad person but we believe the point is made. One way or another..someone loses. Either you don't give all of us "free lunches" at the video companies expense or we do get the free lunch and find the resteraunt won't be open for dinner because they can't pay the bills.
lgz
Iluv2Btickled
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Either way it goes, rocking's site is still the best and I think ALL tickling site should be like rocking's. If I go to a site and I have to PAY SOMETHING to SEE SOMETHING, I exit out immediatly. I dont care who the models are or how they look. I dont want to pay ANYTHING. Bottom line. Forget the " we dont do this for profit" and I wont be able to pay bills speech, If I had the equipment, Id host a free site with clips pics, EVERYTHING!
laughinggaszone
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Iluv2Btickled....
Its very laudible of you to say "If I had the equipment, Id host a free site with clips pics, EVERYTHING!" It begs the question...why
don't you go out and buy the equipment? We would all love to see
such a sight where you and others like you are going out and filming models of all kinds being tickled in various positions and methods.
There are only two reason your not producing this site that we can see...your either lazy and don't want to put your very good plan into motion or...like most of us...you don't have that kind of cash to throw around. Equipment...webspace..bandwidth...all costs money. If its a matter of not having the time, I'm sure someone out there would be happy to run the site for you. If you have your own reason we would like to hear it.
lgz
Its very laudible of you to say "If I had the equipment, Id host a free site with clips pics, EVERYTHING!" It begs the question...why
don't you go out and buy the equipment? We would all love to see
such a sight where you and others like you are going out and filming models of all kinds being tickled in various positions and methods.
There are only two reason your not producing this site that we can see...your either lazy and don't want to put your very good plan into motion or...like most of us...you don't have that kind of cash to throw around. Equipment...webspace..bandwidth...all costs money. If its a matter of not having the time, I'm sure someone out there would be happy to run the site for you. If you have your own reason we would like to hear it.
lgz
footamateur
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Hey...i think that all of you miss the point 🙁
To Rocking:
I respect your work, and also i appreciatevery much all the things that you do, since the first posting of the clips on your web space.....noone tell to you that what you do is wrong! the problem of the clip that you share is that they are copiright material, but if the producer gives to you the authorization to post them.....i don't see anything bad! noone think about it but you are the most powerful vehicle that the company have to promote theyr products and sites! 😀 because if you post their clips, the people will go on the sitewhere the clips came and maybe will buy a membership or a video! and this is a good thing for all: for us that can see what the producers offer, and for the company that can give to us a sample of what they have 😉
To Laughinggas:
I don't understand well, you are right about all the costs...the copright...etc, but internet is based on the SHARING!, so if i have the homemade video of my sister tickled and i share it, i'm a real user of internet, because i help the peoples that like the same thing that i like to find what they want; maybe i'm a little bastard, because i don't share my homevid with my sis, because around here there's a lot of people that download, burn on cd and sell....those are the people that stole the profit of the companies! i'm not justify the peoples that share, but the peoples that sell! and around here there's a lot of those peoples!
To Iluv2Btickled:
Hey, i can understand that you want to share, but you should know that you CAN'T share anything that is made by someone, except if he/she will give to you the authorization 🙂 so forget to digitalize all....except if you don't want to make a digital version of the tape that you've bought 😉
If you want to share something.....buy the cam, go around the city trying to catch a model and prepare a video, like i do, and then go on internet and ask for money if you want, or share it for free (like you said), or try to exchange your video with other videos made by other peoples (not commercial company...i'm talking about homemade videos)...this is the soul of sharing: exchange or share only thing made or produced by you, or by siomeone that gve to you the authorization 😉 i wonder to have all the videos from all the companies, but when i see that noone want to exchange or make homemade vids for exchanging with mine...maybe i can feel a little like they feel when they find some of their vids on kazaa.
PS: 15 years ago the main company fir tickling vids was california stars, and they have some of the worste movies but the models was so gorgeous 😉 and they had some black girl and also oriental girls 😉 so isn't a new thing to see different skin colours in the videos 😀 but ana was the first that make good video...but this is another story 😉
Peace & love guys....
To Rocking:
I respect your work, and also i appreciatevery much all the things that you do, since the first posting of the clips on your web space.....noone tell to you that what you do is wrong! the problem of the clip that you share is that they are copiright material, but if the producer gives to you the authorization to post them.....i don't see anything bad! noone think about it but you are the most powerful vehicle that the company have to promote theyr products and sites! 😀 because if you post their clips, the people will go on the sitewhere the clips came and maybe will buy a membership or a video! and this is a good thing for all: for us that can see what the producers offer, and for the company that can give to us a sample of what they have 😉
To Laughinggas:
I don't understand well, you are right about all the costs...the copright...etc, but internet is based on the SHARING!, so if i have the homemade video of my sister tickled and i share it, i'm a real user of internet, because i help the peoples that like the same thing that i like to find what they want; maybe i'm a little bastard, because i don't share my homevid with my sis, because around here there's a lot of people that download, burn on cd and sell....those are the people that stole the profit of the companies! i'm not justify the peoples that share, but the peoples that sell! and around here there's a lot of those peoples!
To Iluv2Btickled:
Hey, i can understand that you want to share, but you should know that you CAN'T share anything that is made by someone, except if he/she will give to you the authorization 🙂 so forget to digitalize all....except if you don't want to make a digital version of the tape that you've bought 😉
If you want to share something.....buy the cam, go around the city trying to catch a model and prepare a video, like i do, and then go on internet and ask for money if you want, or share it for free (like you said), or try to exchange your video with other videos made by other peoples (not commercial company...i'm talking about homemade videos)...this is the soul of sharing: exchange or share only thing made or produced by you, or by siomeone that gve to you the authorization 😉 i wonder to have all the videos from all the companies, but when i see that noone want to exchange or make homemade vids for exchanging with mine...maybe i can feel a little like they feel when they find some of their vids on kazaa.
PS: 15 years ago the main company fir tickling vids was california stars, and they have some of the worste movies but the models was so gorgeous 😉 and they had some black girl and also oriental girls 😉 so isn't a new thing to see different skin colours in the videos 😀 but ana was the first that make good video...but this is another story 😉
Peace & love guys....
SilverCherry
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1golfer said:
First of all, it actually (the clip) was there for one day. Whoops, you must've missed it. Second, as I mentioned in a follow up to that post, I tried editing the subject bar so that it wouldn't read (w/ preview clip) but apparently the subject bar is uneditable. Whoops, you must've missed that post too. But as you so eloquently put it, thats another story. Whoops
I did it again 😀Anyway I concur with TIB et al, with regards to we producers having put forth enormous amounts of time and money to produce material that we think will be of interest to the masses. I already had plans to start posting new small free clips in the coming weeks. However, let it be said that TIB others and I (having posted lots of free clips in the past) still contribute original free images on a regular basis. Does that count for anything 😕 The fact that those of us who haven't posted a free clip in a while seems to only irritate the "what have you done for me lately" people.
I understand some people will always be on a quest to find whatever they can for free, that's just how it is. But I don't like it when I spend lots of money and time to produce, arrange, edit, etc., only to have some guy say "Why ain't you don't post stuff free??" <--Producers regularly get e-mail that isn't even that articulate!
I know there are those who legitimately want to view a sample before purchasing, but the reality is that there's more people who don't have any intentions on ever buying squat. That's why they're so frustrated whenever there's a dry spell of new free stuff.
Thanks,
Evan
laughinggaszone
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footamateur...your heart is in the right place, but your not really solving the problem. Saying both sides are right doesn't do much aside from avoiding hurt feelings. In the end, rocking and those like him have to conciously decide NOT to give away those clips that are not theirs to give. Net users should share what is theirs to share...not what belongs to others.
I agree with you that sample clips are a companies best advertising.
However, that is sample clips...not the actual product. If people are sharing the actual product then there is little reason to buy it.
If however, they are sharing preview clips then more people are getting a taste of that product and may bite and buy the actual clip.
There are a few companies that have gotten into a huff about sharing even preview clips. In our view, that is foolish. A sample clip
should be pushed into any venue available. That is why it is a sample;
to help promote the overall product.
So in the end, its going to have to be a joint venture between consumers and producers. In our opinion, the producers will come around more readily than the consumers. The need to stay in business demands they make changes.The consumer is not personally hampered by that and the lure of the free full clip download is too appealing.
LGZ
I agree with you that sample clips are a companies best advertising.
However, that is sample clips...not the actual product. If people are sharing the actual product then there is little reason to buy it.
If however, they are sharing preview clips then more people are getting a taste of that product and may bite and buy the actual clip.
There are a few companies that have gotten into a huff about sharing even preview clips. In our view, that is foolish. A sample clip
should be pushed into any venue available. That is why it is a sample;
to help promote the overall product.
So in the end, its going to have to be a joint venture between consumers and producers. In our opinion, the producers will come around more readily than the consumers. The need to stay in business demands they make changes.The consumer is not personally hampered by that and the lure of the free full clip download is too appealing.
LGZ
laughinggaszone
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SilverCherry...your points are valid, but we think it is a
fatal mistake to not give out samples for all
your product. It may be unfair to say "What have you done for me lately?" but that is how many consumers view things. There is a very short memory when it comes to all the stuff you have ever contributed, but whoa to the producer who cracks down on a user who is giving away a pirated clip or a producer who isn't giving away a sample clip for their newest video.It may not be fair and your normally generous contributions go largely unappreciated, but that is business as we are sure your all to well aware.
LGZ
fatal mistake to not give out samples for all
your product. It may be unfair to say "What have you done for me lately?" but that is how many consumers view things. There is a very short memory when it comes to all the stuff you have ever contributed, but whoa to the producer who cracks down on a user who is giving away a pirated clip or a producer who isn't giving away a sample clip for their newest video.It may not be fair and your normally generous contributions go largely unappreciated, but that is business as we are sure your all to well aware.
LGZ
