Judge William Adams beats daughter for using the internet

[GQguy]

Somehow, I think there are other ways for a grown adult to discipline their child.

The fact that they have to resort to violence shows an alarming presence of barbaric, caveman mannerisms. You want to discipline them? Put 'em to work. Do something productive.
There's no need for you to slap around something a third of your weight.

Or hell, if violence really is what you need, then wait until they're old enough to knock out a few of your teeth.

I love this.

I don't even understand the point of beating a child that is old enough to reason. It doesn't prepare a child for the real world. We don't beat criminals.....so why would we beat a small defenseless child? It just prolongs a cycle of violence. And when it's taken too far.....can create emotional scars.

 

[goddess_nemesis]

The video starts at the end of the conversation with the parents. I would love to see the five minutes prior to the video starting. The mother states that the girl acts like she doesn't care. She knows she is in trouble but takes the "I don't care" stance. Is she provoking them?

Lots of kids have an "I don't care" attitude with their parents. I don't think it's deliberate provocation; just typical teenager being scolded by their parents. Odds are she didn't think what she did was wrong or that it warranted a lecture. Especially if it's illegal downloading of music, many people were (and still are today) doing it. How can it be wrong when thousands of others do it as well?

The decision is made to get the belt. At that point she should have made sure that the belt never comes into the room by "OBEYING" her parents. The fact that she acts like she doesn't care is clearly raising this up a few notches. The girl now gets what she wants knowing that the video camera is running, the belt comes into the room. At that point most kids go into, "I'm Sorry" or "Please Dad, I'll never do it again". You hear none of this from the girl.

But she is crying out "Stop" and "No". Maybe this isn't the first time daddy decided to use the belt as punishment. Maybe this time she wanted to record it as proof.

The father tells her to lay across the bed. Had she done that, she gets a couple of whacks and its over. She defies him. He gets madder and madder because she is "once again" defying him. She has to know that this is pissing him off. Is she pushing his buttons?

What person, let alone a teenager, would willing submit to being beaten with a belt? I certainly wouldn't. I would find it difficult to believe that my father is actually HITTING ME with a BELT!

If you listen to what the parents are saying they are clearly fed up with her constant disobedience. They see here spiraling out of control and she isn't responding. And BOTH parents are fed up. That's a tough one to manage unless you want to go there. At least one of the parents would have been on her side if she wasn't pushing it.

There is a moment when he regains his composure and asks her "What happened to you?" That speaks volumes for me. He is trying to understand her bad conduct. He is trying to understand her rebellious nature. And he can't. My parents went through the same thing with one of my sisters. There was no reason for her to be so rebellious, but she was.

You have a point there, but I heartily disagree that a beating with a belt over downloading illegal music was the correct answer. My youngest brother had a rebellious nature that my parents couldn't understand. My parents were frustrated that they couldn't get him to listen, but my dad refused to resort to spanking.

Lots of teenagers go through a rebellious phase, lots of teenagers disobey their parents, they test the boundaries that are imposed on them just to see what they can and cannot get away with. There are other ways to handle disobedience, rebelling in a teenager than using a belt to beat them

I know most see the "Poor Little Girl" in this. I am not defending the father but I believe the girl is "playing" America to some extent. Will she get a book deal? Will she get her own talk show? Time will tell.

I do wonder what took this girl this long to "leak" the video. She could've done it sooner and had it taken care of. It speaks of revenge on her part by posting this now. It's an election year next year and she clearly doesn't want her father reelected as judge.

 

[kopfhorer]

I always get a chuckle from the idea promulgated by the record labels that downloading music is "stealing" and ought to be punished as such. That to me would be like Ted Bundy lecturing us about the evils of mass murder. If I had a dollar for every dollar record labels, promoters and so on have stolen from recording artists over the years, I could probably afford to rent a cruise ship for an entire year and throw a year-long seagoing tickle party.

Having said that, musicians do need to make a living. Owing to the new realities of popular technology (i.e. that it's absurdly easy to copy recordings of almost any kind), bands are making money by playing live, using recordings as give-away promotional items (go to bandcamp.com and see what I mean). Record companies for their part appear to be concentrating on packaging, that is, stuff that cannot be downloaded (this may partly explain the resurgence of vinyl).

As far as a damn judge beating the bejesus out of his kid for downloading music, well, any who gets kid hauled into his court for shoplifting had better watch out. The death penalty is obviously not out of the question!

 

[Canadian_Eh]

This might just be me looking too into this, but I really can't help but feel like those of you that grew up being "punished" the way she did, seem to feel on some level that what happened here is NOT wrong. I personally believe that there's a fine line between discipline and abuse. What I saw on that video, that was abuse. Hitting once would have been discilpine, but you can see the in the tape him increasingly becoming angrier and angrier with every strike.

I'm a stong believer in not discipling a child out of anger. A child needs to now they're allowed to make mistakes without fear they're going to be "beaten into submission". Honestly, if I were her, and I recieved "discipline" like that, I would hide things that I did from my parents too.

This for me, is where the line should be drawn. Did she deserve it?! Maybe. Did she deserve something that extreme? Not at all. If you listen to the last clip that was posted, this was something that happened often. Honestly, I would have done the same. As for why she waited so long to realease the video, she said herself that at the time when it happened she was under age and didn't know what would happen to her family, if they would have split them up. I also believe that she released the video at a time where she was no longer afraid of her father nor the reaction he would have once the video was released. It sounded to me like she has accepted it for what it was, and now wants her father to get help.

Would YOU want a judge like this ruling about your child's safety when he was willing to put his own kid in harms way. By his own hand, might I add. I definately wouldn't. It's a sad day when people assume you've released a tragic story like that just for publicity. Not everyone is looking for a money grab, who knows, maybe she really did just release it to bring awarness about what was going on, espeically given the position of work her father is in...

 

[primetime]

I can understand people's viewpoints that do not agree with "spankings" or "corporal punishment". I can understand why people could view that footage and really think it is horrendous. When I first saw it, I didn't like the way the judge was cussing at her. That was a bit much. So I get why people would be so outraged after watching the footage.

Oh yeah, goddess, your response that why should he punish her for downloading ILLEGAL music is a bit odd. Why? First, you realize the daughter ILLEGALY downloading music is ILLEGAL right? Also take into consideration the man is a judge. How would that look? Daughter of a judge is caught downloading ILLEGAL music. Just wanted to point that out. Just because a lot of people do it, doesn't mean it is ok to download illegal music.

Anyway, I started to think about the actual physical "contact". I looked back in life and noticed, I have never seen my "spankings" on video either. How many of those who received spankings actually got to "watch" footage of you punishment? It would probably look pretty brutal. Of course people against corporal punishment would see any footage and think it is child abuse. The key part of the video is he wanted to spank her butt. He didn't go after her upperbody. He didn't cause bleeding. I hate to break this to people, but in midst of "corporal punishment", the recipient is not always exactly responding to the "giver". My mother told me many, many times during the spanking to hold still. Did I? Of course not. I was trying to move away. The reactions the daughter gave was nothing out of the ordinary.

As for this type of stuff happened repeatedly in their household. Again, I go back to my own experience. Did I ever receive a spanking one time in my life? Nope. So, I too can say that type of experience happened repeatedly.

Watching that clip with the interview really makes me wonder what the TRUE motive is for releasing the footage. I'm telling you, there is a LOT more to the story than we are being given.

Keep in mind, I understand the outrage. But, I also hope people aren't too quick to judge. You have seen an EDITED clip of what happened that night. Not the total raw footage. It's all about perspective...

 

[Bothersome]

I can understand people's viewpoints that do not agree with "spankings" or "corporal punishment". I can understand why people could view that footage and really think it is horrendous. When I first saw it, I didn't like the way the judge was cussing at her. That was a bit much. So I get why people would be so outraged after watching the footage.

Oh yeah, goddess, your response that why should he punish her for downloading ILLEGAL music is a bit odd. Why? First, you realize the daughter ILLEGALY downloading music is ILLEGAL right? Also take into consideration the man is a judge. How would that look? Daughter of a judge is caught downloading ILLEGAL music. Just wanted to point that out. Just because a lot of people do it, doesn't mean it is ok to download illegal music.

Just to clarify, she wasn't downloading 'illegal' music, she was 'illegally' downloading music.

Now, in what scenarios do we take federal duties into our own hands? You put so much emphasis on this being illegal, so I will address that point. This is a federal offense, similarly to how murder is a federal offense. That being said, are we the ones who punish people for murder? No. The federal government does that. If punishment is needed for a federal crime, then the federal government should hand out the proper punishment. Needless to say, I don't think 'spanking' is such a punishment.

Anyway, I started to think about the actual physical "contact". I looked back in life and noticed, I have never seen my "spankings" on video either. How many of those who received spankings actually got to "watch" footage of you punishment? It would probably look pretty brutal. Of course people against corporal punishment would see any footage and think it is child abuse. The key part of the video is he wanted to spank her butt. He didn't go after her upperbody. He didn't cause bleeding. I hate to break this to people, but in midst of "corporal punishment", the recipient is not always exactly responding to the "giver". My mother told me many, many times during the spanking to hold still. Did I? Of course not. I was trying to move away. The reactions the daughter gave was nothing out of the ordinary.

What part of this excuses hitting a child to you? Frankly, it doesn't matter how much you try and sugar coat or justify it, hitting a child is still hitting a child; no matter where they're being hit. I'm sorry if your parents hit you. Just because it happened to you, doesn't mean it's okay to happen to everyone else.

Coincidentally, the logic you're using here is the same logic most child abusers use to justify their crimes.

As for this type of stuff happened repeatedly in their household. Again, I go back to my own experience. Did I ever receive a spanking one time in my life? Nope. So, I too can say that type of experience happened repeatedly.

Watching that clip with the interview really makes me wonder what the TRUE motive is for releasing the footage. I'm telling you, there is a LOT more to the story than we are being given.

Keep in mind, I understand the outrage. But, I also hope people aren't too quick to judge. You have seen an EDITED clip of what happened that night. Not the total raw footage. It's all about perspective...

I could see an edited clip of a man murdering a woman, whereas the raw footage was of the man giving the woman flowers first. Does that mean that his crime is suddenly excusable? No. It means they cut out the unimportant shit.

The true motive is so that she doesn't get hit anymore.

I can't fathom why it's so hard to understand.

 

[primetime]

Just to clarify, she wasn't downloading 'illegal' music, she was 'illegally' downloading music.

Now, in what scenarios do we take federal duties into our own hands? You put so much emphasis on this being illegal, so I will address that point. This is a federal offense, similarly to how murder is a federal offense. That being said, are we the ones who punish people for murder? No. The federal government does that. If punishment is needed for a federal crime, then the federal government should hand out the proper punishment. Needless to say, I don't think 'spanking' is such a punishment.



What part of this excuses hitting a child to you? Frankly, it doesn't matter how much you try and sugar coat or justify it, hitting a child is still hitting a child; no matter where they're being hit. I'm sorry if your parents hit you. Just because it happened to you, doesn't mean it's okay to happen to everyone else.

Coincidentally, the logic you're using here is the same logic most child abusers use to justify their crimes.



I could see an edited clip of a man murdering a woman, whereas the raw footage was of the man giving the woman flowers first. Does that mean that his crime is suddenly excusable? No. It means they cut out the unimportant shit.

The true motive is so that she doesn't get hit anymore.

I can't fathom why it's so hard to understand.

Bottom line is this regarding the music downloading. The parents told her to NOT do something and she disobeyed them. This is not the parent's fault, this is the daughter's fault. She is illegally downloading music. What part of ILLEGAL is difficult to comprehend. Can you imagine if she was caught by authorities? A judge's daughter caught for illegally downloading music. Yeah, that will go over well. Whether she was downloading illegal music, or taking the parent's car without permission, the fact of the matter is she disobeyed her parents. To spank your child is only child abuse if your entire perception of corporal punishment is you are against it.

I was not abused by my mother. I received spankings as a child. I deserved them because my dumbass decided to disobey a parent's directive. Looking back, I am glad my mother did it. Keep me in line and learn to respect authority. It made me learn to avoid spankings, maybe I should not make stupid decisions. I have turned out to be a good adult and I can look back and say that spankings did absolutely nothing but make me a more responsible human being. If you don't like it, that's your opinion. Had my mother cracked me upside the head, that would be abuse. had she tried to burn me with cigarettes or starved me, that would have been child abuse. She spanked me. On my ass. Only my legs because I didn't hold still. You have nothing to be sorry about. It was NOT child abuse.

This is very simple. You're either for or against corporal punishment. If you were not spanked as a child, good for you. Doesn't mean that parents that conduct spankings are in the wrong. It is all a matter of perspective.

The daughter released this footage with a motive. It wasn't to show her "abuse". 7 years of holding the footage. Telling the father, "I'm going to release the footage", sounds more like a threat rather than her "coming out" with her story. The mother, who participated in the spanking and helped the judge, all of the sudden feels remorse and excuses her behavior because her she is having problems with the EX-husband. She said she was "brainwashed". Give me a break. Those two have ulterior motives. They knew by releasing that footage, they were going to get the reaction they wanted. Because this country now views corporal punishment as "evil", of course the public is going to side with them. I'm telling you, there is more to this story than what is being told. You are going to have this reaction because the public frowns upon corporal punishment these days.

The question remains. Why wait 7 years to release it? Some say she was afraid 7 years ago because she didn't know what would happen. Then why film it? If you're going to film it, you are doing it for a reason. You're not all of the sudden say, "Naw, nevermind. I don't know what is going to happen if I release it...". Well, what was she thinking would happen when she set the camera up? This whole story doesn't seem cut and dry to me. You got anti-corporal punishment up in arms over this, which is exactly what was planned when the mother and daughter released the video. There is more to this story than what is being made available. Too bad people don't want to believe it...

 

[Bothersome]

Bottom line is this regarding the music downloading. The parents told her to NOT do something and she disobeyed them. This is not the parent's fault, this is the daughter's fault. She is illegally downloading music. What part of ILLEGAL is difficult to comprehend. Can you imagine if she was caught by authorities? A judge's daughter caught for illegally downloading music. Yeah, that will go over well. Whether she was downloading illegal music, or taking the parent's car without permission, the fact of the matter is she disobeyed her parents. To spank your child is only child abuse if your entire perception of corporal punishment is you are against it.

Tell me something. When criminals disobey the law, does the law spank them? Does the law hit them? Does the law even physically touch them in any way that isn't absolutely necessary? (Let's assume that the 'law' in this scenario is the government, not some fucked up cop)

No. They don't. They don't treat full grown men and women in this matter, despite the fact that they did something criminally illegal. Why is that, do you think? Why is it viewed as 'okay' to hit something that is a third of your body mass, yet we don't employ the same techniques to criminals that are fully grown?

Because there's no point to it. The point of corporal punishment is to discourage the child from doing whatever they were caught doing. Now, that doesn't work. What that does is piss them off. And the reason they don't try it on grown adults is because not only would it not work, but that grown adult can turn around and knock out a few of your teeth.

I was not abused by my mother. I received spankings as a child. I deserved them because my dumbass decided to disobey a parent's directive. Looking back, I am glad my mother did it. Keep me in line and learn to respect authority. It made me learn to avoid spankings, maybe I should not make stupid decisions. I have turned out to be a good adult and I can look back and say that spankings did absolutely nothing but make me a more responsible human being. If you don't like it, that's your opinion. Had my mother cracked me upside the head, that would be abuse. had she tried to burn me with cigarettes or starved me, that would have been child abuse. She spanked me. On my ass. Only my legs because I didn't hold still. You have nothing to be sorry about. It was NOT child abuse.

This is very simple. You're either for or against corporal punishment. If you were not spanked as a child, good for you. Doesn't mean that parents that conduct spankings are in the wrong. It is all a matter of perspective.

I was never hit as a child, and I have a perfectly decent respect for authority. What your mother did didn't instill respect. It instilled fear.

The daughter released this footage with a motive. It wasn't to show her "abuse". 7 years of holding the footage. Telling the father, "I'm going to release the footage", sounds more like a threat rather than her "coming out" with her story. The mother, who participated in the spanking and helped the judge, all of the sudden feels remorse and excuses her behavior because her she is having problems with the EX-husband. She said she was "brainwashed". Give me a break. Those two have ulterior motives. They knew by releasing that footage, they were going to get the reaction they wanted. Because this country now views corporal punishment as "evil", of course the public is going to side with them. I'm telling you, there is more to this story than what is being told. You are going to have this reaction because the public frowns upon corporal punishment these days.

The question remains. Why wait 7 years to release it? Some say she was afraid 7 years ago because she didn't know what would happen. Then why film it? If you're going to film it, you are doing it for a reason. You're not all of the sudden say, "Naw, nevermind. I don't know what is going to happen if I release it...". Well, what was she thinking would happen when she set the camera up? This whole story doesn't seem cut and dry to me. You got anti-corporal punishment up in arms over this, which is exactly what was planned when the mother and daughter released the video. There is more to this story than what is being made available. Too bad people don't want to believe it...

This is something else entirely.

Now, thank you for bringing this to my attention, because as you will soon be able to surmise, I did not read the article.

I agree. That does hint at an ulterior motive. Obviously blackmail of some sort.

However, that doesn't take away from my view on the subject. If you can't find a better way to discipline your child than through barbaric violence, then you really need to go to anger management, and most likely need some AA as well.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

Bottom line is this regarding the music downloading. The parents told her to NOT do something and she disobeyed them. This is not the parent's fault, this is the daughter's fault. She is illegally downloading music. What part of ILLEGAL is difficult to comprehend. Can you imagine if she was caught by authorities? A judge's daughter caught for illegally downloading music. Yeah, that will go over well. Whether she was downloading illegal music, or taking the parent's car without permission, the fact of the matter is she disobeyed her parents. To spank your child is only child abuse if your entire perception of corporal punishment is you are against it.

This was not a spanking. This was a beating. There's a notable difference. And a judges daughter being caught downloading music illegally is a lot less damaging then a judge beating his daughter.

I was not abused by my mother. I received spankings as a child. I deserved them because my dumbass decided to disobey a parent's directive. Looking back, I am glad my mother did it. Keep me in line and learn to respect authority. It made me learn to avoid spankings, maybe I should not make stupid decisions. I have turned out to be a good adult and I can look back and say that spankings did absolutely nothing but make me a more responsible human being. If you don't like it, that's your opinion. Had my mother cracked me upside the head, that would be abuse. had she tried to burn me with cigarettes or starved me, that would have been child abuse. She spanked me. On my ass. Only my legs because I didn't hold still. You have nothing to be sorry about. It was NOT child abuse.

I was spanked too, with a hand and wooden spoon. I turned out alright. This was not a spanking. This was a beating.

The daughter released this footage with a motive. It wasn't to show her "abuse". 7 years of holding the footage. Telling the father, "I'm going to release the footage", sounds more like a threat rather than her "coming out" with her story. The mother, who participated in the spanking and helped the judge, all of the sudden feels remorse and excuses her behavior because her she is having problems with the EX-husband. She said she was "brainwashed". Give me a break. Those two have ulterior motives. They knew by releasing that footage, they were going to get the reaction they wanted. Because this country now views corporal punishment as "evil", of course the public is going to side with them. I'm telling you, there is more to this story than what is being told. You are going to have this reaction because the public frowns upon corporal punishment these days.

The question remains. Why wait 7 years to release it? Some say she was afraid 7 years ago because she didn't know what would happen. Then why film it? If you're going to film it, you are doing it for a reason. You're not all of the sudden say, "Naw, nevermind. I don't know what is going to happen if I release it...". Well, what was she thinking would happen when she set the camera up? This whole story doesn't seem cut and dry to me. You got anti-corporal punishment up in arms over this, which is exactly what was planned when the mother and daughter released the video. There is more to this story than what is being made available. Too bad people don't want to believe it...

I do remember reading something allong the lines of the judge harrassing the daughter and her threats to release the video if he didn't stop. That being said, is 7 years really that long? I've heard of people taking stories of abuse with them until they were many years older. Hell, just tonight I learned about how my grandmother was sexually abused by her brother, and she never said anything about it till he had passed away. Some people don't like to talk about these things for a lot of reasons, the biggest ones being that they are convinced that they somehow deserved what they got. That is what abuse can do to a person.

 

[goddess_nemesis]

I was spanked too, with a hand and wooden spoon. I turned out alright. This was not a spanking. This was a beating.

Exactly. If she was being punished with a spanking, she would've received a few swats and a lecture. That would make sense in my mind. I was never spanked so I don't know how that works.

But, watching that video, he hits her with the belt a few times, STOPS, even leaves the room THEN comes right back in the room to HIT HER AGAIN. He does this several times during the course of the video. He's not spanking her to punish her; he's taking his anger out on his daughter. That's abuse.

 

[primetime]

Tell me something. When criminals disobey the law, does the law spank them? Does the law hit them? Does the law even physically touch them in any way that isn't absolutely necessary? (Let's assume that the 'law' in this scenario is the government, not some fucked up cop)

No. They don't. They don't treat full grown men and women in this matter, despite the fact that they did something criminally illegal. Why is that, do you think? Why is it viewed as 'okay' to hit something that is a third of your body mass, yet we don't employ the same techniques to criminals that are fully grown?

Because there's no point to it. The point of corporal punishment is to discourage the child from doing whatever they were caught doing. Now, that doesn't work. What that does is piss them off. And the reason they don't try it on grown adults is because not only would it not work, but that grown adult can turn around and knock out a few of your teeth.



I was never hit as a child, and I have a perfectly decent respect for authority. What your mother did didn't instill respect. It instilled fear.



This is something else entirely.

Now, thank you for bringing this to my attention, because as you will soon be able to surmise, I did not read the article.

I agree. That does hint at an ulterior motive. Obviously blackmail of some sort.

However, that doesn't take away from my view on the subject. If you can't find a better way to discipline your child than through barbaric violence, then you really need to go to anger management, and most likely need some AA as well.

Why do you compare adult punishment with child punishment? Apples/oranges. For example, do we send children to prison where they can be beaten by guards, made someone's "wife", or better yet, receive the death penalty. I think corporal punishment is a LOT better than how we punish adults who break "the law". The two do not compare at all.....

I disagree with your assessment that there is no point to corporal punishment. Because you never experienced it, you can't tell me that it doesn't work. It DOES work. Generation after generation after generation of adults throughout the country experienced corporal punishment. Schools used to engage in it. It is only this day and age where all of the sudden, people don't agree with it. I personally experienced it. Was I abused? No. Do I hate the fact my mother did that to me as a punishment? No. It is only wrong in YOUR EYES. It did teach me respect. Look at it this way. When you put your hand on a hot stove, you learned awfully quick to respect fire. Did it create fear? Again, try looking at something from a different perspective. Since you didn't experience spankings as a child, there is no way you could possibly understand the concept. You see things as "abuse". I see spankings as a method to raise children.

Cosmos, how was this a beating? Tell me what the difference would have been between a spanking and what we saw on the footage. Considering you have never watched your own spanking on video, I am sure someone would call your spanking a "beating" as well.

People, this really does boil down to if you support corporal punishment or not. I just know in this particular situation, we will learn more about this "trauma" the mother and daughter received from this judge.

 

[Mystic Monk]

Ulterior motives be damned. Since when are people born omnipotent? We are learning creatures, any faults she may have are not the issue in this case, and would be the product of this sort of experience. This is not punishment, this was a beating. He swears at her, threatens to smack her in the face, says he should keep beating and beating her, and at one point you can see him swing at either her or the bed with his fist, though he connects off camera. I can't tell if she cries out in pain or fear, and might I add that's a terrible thing to try to determine. Even if he is hitting the bed, he was just terrifying her.

 

[Bothersome]

Why do you compare adult punishment with child punishment? Apples/oranges. For example, do we send children to prison where they can be beaten by guards, made someone's "wife", or better yet, receive the death penalty. I think corporal punishment is a LOT better than how we punish adults who break "the law". The two do not compare at all.....

You're the one that kept asserting this as an 'ILLEGAL' crime, so I was just addressing it as such.

I disagree with your assessment that there is no point to corporal punishment. Because you never experienced it, you can't tell me that it doesn't work. It DOES work. Generation after generation after generation of adults throughout the country experienced corporal punishment. Schools used to engage in it. It is only this day and age where all of the sudden, people don't agree with it. I personally experienced it. Was I abused? No. Do I hate the fact my mother did that to me as a punishment? No. It is only wrong in YOUR EYES. It did teach me respect. Look at it this way. When you put your hand on a hot stove, you learned awfully quick to respect fire. Did it create fear? Again, try looking at something from a different perspective. Since you didn't experience spankings as a child, there is no way you could possibly understand the concept. You see things as "abuse". I see spankings as a method to raise children.

When a person is running from a burning building, are they gazing in wonder at the majestic power and beauty and fire?
Fuck no. They're running for their fucking lives. That isn't respect; that's terror.

All I know is that I turned out fine. I turned out fine without any sort of physical beatings. I didn't need to be knocked around a room to learn basic manners. The fact that some kids did, (Or that some parents thought that their kids did) is quite frankly alarming.

And yes. It is wrong in my eyes. It's absolutely unnecessary.
I'm not a special kid. I'm absolutely average, and I was able to get through my teenage years without so much as raising my voice at my mother. There was no violence in my household. Based on that, I'm left with two conclusions about how all of these kids that got beatings lived;

A) The kids are too fucking stupid to know not to piss off their parents.
B) The parents are too fucking stupid to know how to properly teach a kid respect.

Either way, someone's fucking stupid.

 

[kis123]

I knew that this would eventually melt down to a spanking vs anti spanking issue.

Growing up, we weren't spanked--we got the living crap beaten out of us with anything from a switch you had to pick from a tree to rulers, paddles, belts, and the dreaded extension cord. When I was a kid I nearly jumped for joy when Mr. Coffee made a coffee maker with a cord you couldn't pull out the device and beat the crap outta' me with it. That's not discipline, that's flat out abuse.

A couple swats on the backside with a stern discussion does not equate to abuse to me. Getting the crap beat out of you because Mom or Dad can't find the remote does equate as abuse to me.

Some of you who are anti spanking have never raised children, especially in the "hood." I'm not trying to defend anyone because my position on the matter does not require defense. But when you're living on the edge, sometimes it's the difference between falling off the edge and hanging on. Children need to know their boundaries and they need to learn respect. That doesn't come naturally to them at all. I look around the public these days and can tell that many parents have no idea how to keep their children disciplined and under control and will do nothing about their "behavior" until it angers/offends them. They expect society to take whatever their little demon-spawn behavior creates and deal with it. I had someone in public service once tell me that many of these kids are no more than future generations for the prison system. My goodness, as horrible as it was for me to hear, unfortunately I'm forced to agree with her opinion. Many of today's parents aren't parents anymore, and many children are no more than by-products of them screwing.

But I digress..............

I do not believe it was okay for this man to beat his kid over illegally downloaded music. However, it's not okay for the child of a judge (or anyone's kid at that matter) to disobey the law either. I also think that the child had an ulterior motive; why hold the video back so many years. I think it was a power play blackmail move just before elections. Apparently that beating did nothing to change her at all.

 

[Bothersome]

Some of you who are anti spanking have never raised children, especially in the "hood." I'm not trying to defend anyone because my position on the matter does not require defense. But when you're living on the edge, sometimes it's the difference between falling off the edge and hanging on. Children need to know their boundaries and they need to learn respect. That doesn't come naturally to them at all. I look around the public these days and can tell that many parents have no idea how to keep their children disciplined and under control and will do nothing about their "behavior" until it angers/offends them. They expect society to take whatever their little demon-spawn behavior creates and deal with it. I had someone in public service once tell me that many of these kids are no more than future generations for the prison system. My goodness, as horrible as it was for me to hear, unfortunately I'm forced to agree with her opinion. Many of today's parents aren't parents anymore, and many children are no more than by-products of them screwing.

I've never raised children, but I've been raised as a child. I know exactly how the whole thing goes. I stick to my previous argument about this whole deal.

All I know is that I turned out fine. I turned out fine without any sort of physical beatings. I didn't need to be knocked around a room to learn basic manners. The fact that some kids did, (Or that some parents thought that their kids did) is quite frankly alarming.

And yes. It is wrong in my eyes. It's absolutely unnecessary.
I'm not a special kid. I'm absolutely average, and I was able to get through my teenage years without so much as raising my voice at my mother. There was no violence in my household. Based on that, I'm left with two conclusions about how all of these kids that got beatings lived;

A) The kids are too fucking stupid to know not to piss off their parents.
B) The parents are too fucking stupid to know how to properly teach a kid respect.

Either way, someone's fucking stupid.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

Cosmos, how was this a beating? Tell me what the difference would have been between a spanking and what we saw on the footage.

1. 1Look at how many times she was hit. She wasn’t hit once or twice or three times. Not including a hit by her mother, she was hit 18 times.
2. 2He used a belt. Not his hand, not a small wooden spoon, a belt, which sounded like it was swung pretty damn hard. You see the man making full blown from behind the head swings.
3. 3She’s not a little kid. Spanking has it’s uses when a child is to young to be able to fully grasp certain things. This girl was 16. By this point in a childs life, if your still needing to spank them for doing something wrong, I have to wonder about the parents parenting skills considerably. I stopped getting spanked a lot earlier then that, because there are better ways to punish and deal with issues then physical force by that point.
4. 4The man hits her about…11 times or so, then leaves the room, and comes back and hits her another 7-8 times. This is not a parent in control who is administering a spanking. This is a parent who has the need to beat his daughter into submission. Hell, the man even says as much at 3:28 or so.
5. 5The verble aspects. At 4:20 or so the father grabs her (we can’t see as it’s out of the screen if he slaps her in the face of from the looks, grabs her about the throat or shirt) asking her is she’s happy, telling her she doesn’t deserve to be in the family, proceeding to say that he should keep beating her and beating her (a threat that up to this point he’s already carried out, followed by further threats of beatings. And of course there was the initial threat during the first round of beatings that if she didn’t lay down, he’d beat her face. Combine all of this with the above, and the picture it pretty obvious.

Considering you have never watched your own spanking on video, I am sure someone would call your spanking a "beating" as well.

I'm sure you can find somebody to call anything something. However, I doubt very much my spanking would be in any way comparable to what is seen in the clip. I was never threatened to have my face beaten or whipped, I was never hit with an as pain inducing an element as a belt, I was never hit more then a few times, and i was never near that age when i was getting spanked.

 

[kis123]

I've never raised children, but I've been raised as a child. I know exactly how the whole thing goes. I stick to my previous argument about this whole deal.

Well, good for you and I'm glad everything worked out.

And I still stick to my previous argument about this whole deal too.

I really didn't want to respond to any of this because these spanking vs anti spanking threads come up and they end up the same way. Again, I have no need to defend my position on the matter; my two children got their backsides spanked once in awhile. At ages 26 and almost 22, no one's in therapy, drugs, jail, and they don't waste time hating me for attempting to discipline them and make them into decent members of society. And their opinions are the only ones that matter to me as far as this subject matter is concerned.

 

[luvgirlsfeet]

I saw that on the news and immediately flew into a rage to the point where I personally want to hurt that man I dont give a shit who he is that is abuse and should be severely punished for it

 

[primetime]

1. 1Look at how many times she was hit. She wasn’t hit once or twice or three times. Not including a hit by her mother, she was hit 18 times.
2. 2He used a belt. Not his hand, not a small wooden spoon, a belt, which sounded like it was swung pretty damn hard. You see the man making full blown from behind the head swings.
3. 3She’s not a little kid. Spanking has it’s uses when a child is to young to be able to fully grasp certain things. This girl was 16. By this point in a childs life, if your still needing to spank them for doing something wrong, I have to wonder about the parents parenting skills considerably. I stopped getting spanked a lot earlier then that, because there are better ways to punish and deal with issues then physical force by that point.
4. 4The man hits her about…11 times or so, then leaves the room, and comes back and hits her another 7-8 times. This is not a parent in control who is administering a spanking. This is a parent who has the need to beat his daughter into submission. Hell, the man even says as much at 3:28 or so.
5. 5The verble aspects. At 4:20 or so the father grabs her (we can’t see as it’s out of the screen if he slaps her in the face of from the looks, grabs her about the throat or shirt) asking her is she’s happy, telling her she doesn’t deserve to be in the family, proceeding to say that he should keep beating her and beating her (a threat that up to this point he’s already carried out, followed by further threats of beatings. And of course there was the initial threat during the first round of beatings that if she didn’t lay down, he’d beat her face. Combine all of this with the above, and the picture it pretty obvious.




I'm sure you can find somebody to call anything something. However, I doubt very much my spanking would be in any way comparable to what is seen in the clip. I was never threatened to have my face beaten or whipped, I was never hit with an as pain inducing an element as a belt, I was never hit more then a few times, and i was never near that age when i was getting spanked.

In response to the last paragraph you wrote, I am sure if someone saw the spankings you got as a kid, they would probably say the exact same thing. That is was brutal. That's no way to discipline a child. Think about it. Spankings were not some easy, peaceful interaction where a kid just stood there and took the hits and the parents had a stern voice. Hell no. Parents were yelling and you were trying to get out the way.

Let's be real here. This whole things reeks of blackmail of some sort. I know people do not like the way the judge handled the punishment. I get that. I know when you watch the video, it looks brutal. But to those who experienced spankings, you know it was never a pleasant interaction when it happened to you. I just hope people think about the perspective. This judge did not beat his daughter for no reason. He was disciplining her for her trangressions. It wasn't like she ate an extra cookie and getting hit for it. It's not like she was watching cartoons when she wasn't supposed to. She was downloading music illegally. Father said stop, especially a father who is a judge, and she didn't listen. She had other behaviors that helped lead to this interaction. This daughter is not all that innocent. Whether people disagree with me or not, I do not think what we witnessed was child abuse. Disagree with me all you like, it still won't change my mind. My only goal was to have people look at it from a different perspective. I guess some people can't...

 

[GQguy]

In response to the last paragraph you wrote, I am sure if someone saw the spankings you got as a kid, they would probably say the exact same thing. That is was brutal. That's no way to discipline a child. Think about it. Spankings were not some easy, peaceful interaction where a kid just stood there and took the hits and the parents had a stern voice. Hell no. Parents were yelling and you were trying to get out the way.

Let's be real here. This whole things reeks of blackmail of some sort. I know people do not like the way the judge handled the punishment. I get that. I know when you watch the video, it looks brutal. But to those who experienced spankings, you know it was never a pleasant interaction when it happened to you. I just hope people think about the perspective. This judge did not beat his daughter for no reason. He was disciplining her for her trangressions. It wasn't like she ate an extra cookie and getting hit for it. It's not like she was watching cartoons when she wasn't supposed to. She was downloading music illegally. Father said stop, especially a father who is a judge, and she didn't listen. She had other behaviors that helped lead to this interaction. This daughter is not all that innocent. Whether people disagree with me or not, I do not think what we witnessed was child abuse. Disagree with me all you like, it still won't change my mind. My only goal was to have people look at it from a different perspective. I guess some people can't...

So if the judge's wife illegally downloaded music would it be ok for him to beat her too? If his aging father were illegally downloading music would it be ok to beat him too?

I too was spanked/beaten but there was alot more blood involved. I never really understood why...I asked my mom this past December and she told me my father had alot going on with his unemployment and he likely had a couple beers those nights. Things weren't great with her either. Why he took it out on their first son...I don't know...I sort of always assumed I was inferior in some way to my peers..an innate deeply seeded feeling that results from getting your ass kicked by your father for no real reason.

In the end it's simply wrong in our society. What's crazy is that if I had filmed the episode...not only would he have lost all job prospects but he would have lost all of his children too. Is that worth it? Just like people say "people go to war when people run out of good ideas" I think that goes for any kind of violence. This judge ran out of ideas......confiscating her computer would have likely been a more effective solution. Now the judge has ruined his life...... As for my dad and I...I've grown into a respectable man and it's pretty sad for him that he'll never really get to know me. My achievements are mine and mine alone.

GQ

 

[Bothersome]

Let's be real here. This whole things reeks of blackmail of some sort. I know people do not like the way the judge handled the punishment. I get that. I know when you watch the video, it looks brutal. But to those who experienced spankings, you know it was never a pleasant interaction when it happened to you. I just hope people think about the perspective. This judge did not beat his daughter for no reason. He was disciplining her for her trangressions. It wasn't like she ate an extra cookie and getting hit for it. It's not like she was watching cartoons when she wasn't supposed to. She was downloading music illegally. Father said stop, especially a father who is a judge, and she didn't listen. She had other behaviors that helped lead to this interaction. This daughter is not all that innocent. Whether people disagree with me or not, I do not think what we witnessed was child abuse. Disagree with me all you like, it still won't change my mind. My only goal was to have people look at it from a different perspective. I guess some people can't...

The thing that you are consistently not getting here, is that it does not matter what reason he had for doing it. Abuse is abuse.
Whether or not she is innocent, and whether or not she is using this as blackmail material has absolutely NOTHING to do with the point of the video, or this thread.

He beat her. I'll say it again; he beat her. That wasn't a spanking, that was a brutal beating. If a parent uses spankings to discipline their kid, then that's their own choice. A spanking should be 2-7 light but at least moderately painful whaps on the ass to get the point across that they did something wrong.

A spanking should not be used to scare someone into not doing something. If your kid is repeatedly doing something wrong, even though they know it's wrong, then the parent really needs to figure out what they as a parent are doing wrong.

What that man did was a full-on, rage-induced assault on his teenage daughter. He should be thrown in prison and never let out for breaking the law.

In the end it's simply wrong in our society. What's crazy is that if I had filmed the episode...not only would he have lost all job prospects but he would have lost all of his children too. Is that worth it? Just like people say "people go to war when people run out of good ideas" I think that goes for any kind of violence. This judge ran out of ideas......confiscating her computer would have likely been a more effective solution. Now the judge has ruined his life...... As for my dad and I...I've grown into a respectable man and it's pretty sad for him that he'll never really get to know me. My achievements are mine and mine alone.

Thank you. Just thank you.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

In response to the last paragraph you wrote, I am sure if someone saw the spankings you got as a kid, they would probably say the exact same thing. That is was brutal. That's no way to discipline a child. Think about it. Spankings were not some easy, peaceful interaction where a kid just stood there and took the hits and the parents had a stern voice. Hell no. Parents were yelling and you were trying to get out the way.

I agree, spankings never look good. You have an upset, usually crying child, because they know they are going to get hit or have already been hit and it hurts, and usually a parent who is pissed off, hence why they spanked the child. As i already have shown though, there are reasons people are seeing this as beyond a simple spanking.

Let's be real here. This whole things reeks of blackmail of some sort. I know people do not like the way the judge handled the punishment. I get that. I know when you watch the video, it looks brutal. But to those who experienced spankings, you know it was never a pleasant interaction when it happened to you. I just hope people think about the perspective. This judge did not beat his daughter for no reason. He was disciplining her for her trangressions. It wasn't like she ate an extra cookie and getting hit for it. It's not like she was watching cartoons when she wasn't supposed to. She was downloading music illegally. Father said stop, especially a father who is a judge, and she didn't listen. She had other behaviors that helped lead to this interaction. This daughter is not all that innocent. Whether people disagree with me or not, I do not think what we witnessed was child abuse. Disagree with me all you like, it still won't change my mind. My only goal was to have people look at it from a different perspective. I guess some people can't...

it's entirely possible that this is some sort of blackmail attempt, though as we've yet to see anything that even remotely shows up as evidence that it was blackmail, this is all speculation. If the father makes a statement, then we can at least get his side. However, even if it is blackmail, it doesn't change the issue of what he did. Motive for her release of the video is one thing, and what he did is another issue entirely.

The fact that she was downloading music is also a moot point. Perhaps you don't know much about the internet, Prime, but on the scale of internet crimes, she committed jaywalking, or doubleparking, or not signalling before she turned. Yes, she commited a crime, but it is a crime which occurs on such a scale, that it needs to be taken into prospective. If the judge insisted on punishing her, simply taking away the internet would have been a much more effective and less violent punishment. After watching the video, one gets the impression though that this is a man who enjoys inflicting violence. After all, he does come back for a second helping.

As for you not changing your mind, that has been made very clear, and hey, we all feel strongly about something. As for getting others to change their mind though, part of the problem has been you really haven't brought forth any really good arguements that i've seen, personally. You've meantioned the fact that her father was a judge and how it would look on him if she got caught, but given how he disciplined his daughter, it seems like the fallout was much greater for that one. You've talked about her having alterior motives, but that doesn't change what he did. He chose to hit her with a belt 18 times and threaten her, she didn't do those things. You've meantioned about people not being spanked not understanding, but plenty of people who have been spanked or in some cases, beaten, have responded, and they see a difference as well. If this was a black and white issue, it would be more heavily devided, but it's not. Perhaps it's time to take a moment and re-evalute your own stance. If the only answer you can come up with is "Well, it happened to me and I turned out ok", you might want to think about things.

 

[bigbear_92801]

I wasn't going to weigh in on this thread again but a co-worker told me today that saw the girl and her mother on Dr. Phil yesterday. Apparently she admitted that if her father had continued to pay for her Mercedes and her phone that she would never have released the video. She then took another look at the video. Instead of a "poor victim" she now sees an "actress" who is doing everything she can to make her film. If you look through the "Join the Discussion" tab for this segment it seems that a lot of people are now seeing it that way after watching her for more than a few minutes. She apparently had no feelings and fake tears until the topic of her father's career came up. At that point she giggles. She did the same thing on the Today Show.

AGAIN for those who want to champion the rights of the child I am not condoning what her father did and watching the video made me sick.

BUT...if this girl actually is a manipulative little brat who set up her father by pushing him until he exploded then edited the over 30 minutes of film cutting the conversation where he is trying to reach out to her.

AND... is out for revenge because her father cut her off, then she will do irreparable damage to the plight of children everywhere who are really getting abused in their homes.

 

[Bothersome]

I wasn't going to weigh in on this thread again but a co-worker told me today that saw the girl and her mother on Dr. Phil yesterday. Apparently she admitted that if her father had continued to pay for her Mercedes and her phone that she would never have released the video. She then took another look at the video. Instead of a "poor victim" she now sees an "actress" who is doing everything she can to make her film. If you look through the "Join the Discussion" tab for this segment it seems that a lot of people are now seeing it that way after watching her for more than a few minutes. She apparently had no feelings and fake tears until the topic of her father's career came up. At that point she giggles. She did the same thing on the Today Show.

AGAIN for those who want to champion the rights of the child I am not condoning what her father did and watching the video made me sick.

BUT...if this girl actually is a manipulative little brat who set up her father by pushing him until he exploded then edited the over 30 minutes of film cutting the conversation where he is trying to reach out to her.

AND... is out for revenge because her father cut her off, then she will do irreparable damage to the plight of children everywhere who are really getting abused in their homes.

I won't deny that she is a manipulative little runt, but that doesn't change what her father did.

We can speculate on whether or not she 'set him up' by letting him kick the shit out of her(Okay, I'll be honest, the idea is laughable.), but to me this looks like a pissed off teenager taking an opportunity to get back at an abusive parent. She's done what abused kids have wanted to do for the last thousand years, but have been unable.

 

[Capnmad]

For those who believe in corporal punishment, I say I believe there can be a time, place and disposition where that action may be called for. In all cases of corporal punishment, however, a parent should understand that it is a regrettable thing one does, and one hopes the lesson learned will outweigh the damage done. No matter what a child does wrong, a parent does not beat a child happily, nor is eager to do so. If you are eager to beat your child, it is child abuse.

This man beat his child with relish. He wanted to. He was eager. When his wife took the belt, he ran to get a second. When he came back, he said, "I never got my lick in on her!" He wanted to hurt his child.

One can argue that this was a moment in which he "snapped", or that it's out of character for him. Regardless, in this moment, it was abuse. When he wanted it, it was sadism.

And I believe that anyone who thinks that the action depicted here (which I regard as sadism and abuse) is in any way an excusable or reasonable response to the admittedly poor choice of illegally downloading music is out of their damned mind. Just my opinion.