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Koochie Koochie Koup - 1st batch

Please remove this post immediately

Kalamos,
I appreciate the effort on the translation and I am glad that everyone likes my work, however I would appreciate it if you would remove ALL of my artwork that you have posted. These posts represent copyright infringement and as such are illegal.

I am trying to make somewhat of a come back here and postings such as this result in lost revenue and therefore compromise my ability to fund new projects. This actually hurts the community.

I am sure that there is no malicious intent here, but this is…well, stealing.

I am sure that you will understand.

Respectfully,
BAC

If people are interested in purchasing my artwork they can do so at the following address.
http://images4sale.com/store/6693

Kalamos said:
It will take a while. I'm sure it's worth the wait, though.
This is the first batch of the re-translated BAC comic.

I've translated all the pics back to english. Hope you agree with my translation!
I tried to stay true to BAC's spirit - I just hope you won't mind any typos. 🙂

Hope you like it. 😀

Regards!


Pics 1 to 5 of 10.
Pic 2 shows explicit sex. DO NOT view if offended.


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Swapped pics.
 
Woot....uh...Hey It's BAC...He's Back! You know, I have been interested in your talents for a long time. Perhaps you could direct me to some books on how to draw the female figure and such?
 
Amusing

I find it really amusing that everyone is outraged about people editing my artwork. But nobody commented on the fact that posting the work here in the first place is a trademark infringement and as such a total "dis" to me.

Oh well ya live ya learn.

Cheshire_Cat_21 said:
WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! HOLD ON THERE BUDDY!!! I wasnt trying to insight a riot here! Kalamos is a damn decent individual and a good guy. We all make honest mistakes because it is in human nature to do so. I was just expressing myself in a calm and civil manner, not trying to make him into a pariah!

Chill out man....or woman.....or whichever one of you two posted that....LOL
 
Thanks

Just want to make sure that I am round to keep producing artwork for you guys to enjoy. Digital Rights Management, it's a bitch.

Thanks again

BAC

Journia said:
Ttally agreed Bac.
 
BACCOMIX_1 said:
I find it really amusing that everyone is outraged about people editing my artwork. But nobody commented on the fact that posting the work here in the first place is a trademark infringement and as such a total "dis" to me.

Oh well ya live ya learn.

I actually make comments like that often, being really persistant about my own copyrights as well, and the copyrights of others.

Trust me, however, when I say that there was no "dis" intended toward you, as an individual talent. There is work posted here all the time that shouldn't be, and try as I might to inform people that they should ask the artist first and not just assume it's ok just because, very few listen. They are either ignorant (sometimes as to where the material orginated from before they recieved it) or lazy, and even when info is given to them, they rarely make attempts to rectify a situation. It will literally take someone else to request them to do something, as they will not do it on their own. Some even work under the assumption that "well, until the artist says something, they must not mind the work is here, so I'm posting it."

This is wrong, as how is the artist certain to know their material was even posted to begin with, or where it was posted on the entire internet, for that matter? There really are no excuses good enough.

Though this persistance of request removals and asking artists and giving them credit in their absense has paid some dividends, the more popular an artist is, such as yourself, the more likely their work is to be distributed. I know what that feels like because it has happened to me. It is nothing short of a pain in the ass to wonder where you artwork is, where it's being distributed from, whether it's being editted, and how you can stop it or slow it down.

People just assume it's ok and begin to think it's their property. They forget about the business aspect of it and the artist's position and situation.

Anyways, for what it's worth sir, there are at least some people here who care enough to try, and I hope that eases your mind at least a little.

Hopefully now that you yourself have spoken against distribution people here will really start to buckle down and listen to better judgement and take the initiative to do the right thing- ask first, or don't post at all.

Regards.
 
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I'm not really playing the devil's advocate, but I'm just curious about one matter. There is so much artwork out there, but countless artists. And with the equally countless sources to find such artwork, how are you supposed to be able to track down the artist of each individual piece you find before you post it?
 
Sammi-chan said:
I'm not really playing the devil's advocate, but I'm just curious about one matter. There is so much artwork out there, but countless artists. And with the equally countless sources to find such artwork, how are you supposed to be able to track down the artist of each individual piece you find before you post it?

I have answered that question many times in lieu of my mentioning credit should be given, artists should be informed and asked, etc.

The answer, which I'm sure BAC will agree with, is simply DO NOT post it to begin with.

It is obviously a logical impossibility to find every single artist of every single picture ever drawn and uploaded to the internet. While a percentage of it can be accounted for with proper linking and networking, the majority can be very difficult to account for, or next to impossible. This is only further multiplied when you're dealing with artists who are foreigners and/or don't speak your language.

Japanese artists (anime/manga artists, etc.) who post their art on ambiguously japanese messege boards (which are themselves in japanese script type) are difficult to find, let alone talk to.

Are we supposed to ignore their rights just because they don't speak english and we don't know how to navigate or use a japanese board?

Of course not.

And by the same ideal, we shouldn't excuse this matter simply because of the volume of those that cannot be accounted for.

The answer is simple- if you cannot contact, talk to, find, or accredit the artist, don't post the art until you can.

It's that simple. In cases where you clearly can give credit, or you suspect asking others for information about who the artist is may help, then you do what you can with what you have to work with. But never jump to conclusions. Seek to ask first in any situation, even if the artist has allowed the sharing in the past. I'm sure the artist will appriciate your consideration for them.
 
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Vladislaus Dracula said:
I have answered that question many times in lieu of my mentioning credit should be given, artists should be informed and asked, etc.

The answer, which I'm sure BAC will agree with, is simply DO NOT post it to begin with.

It is obviously a logical impossibility to find every single artist of every single picture ever drawn and uploaded to the internet. While a percentage of it can be accounted for with proper linking and networking, the majority can be very difficult to account for, or next to impossible. This only further multiplied when you're dealing with artists who are foreigners and/or don't speak your language.

Japanese artists who post their art on ambiguously japanese messege boards (which are themselves in japanese script type) are difficult to find, let alone talk to.

Are we supposed to ignore their rights just because they don't speak english?

Of course not.

And by the same ideal, we shouldn't excuse this matter simply because of the volume of those that cannot be accounted for.

The answer is simple- if you cannot contact, talk to, find, or accredit the artist, don't post the art.

It's that simple.
Well, there's the kicker.
 
I am glad BAC has returned and has requested his material removed. It sets a clear example of what I was always talking about, and my persistant requests (some would say nagging) were not for nothing.

Hopefully this will usher in a change in policy (in the tickling community) and more people will be more inclined to do the right thing from now on.

For far too long artists have been worked AROUND rather than worked WITH, when it comes to the sharing of their material. 3rd parties take it upon themselves to do the artist's distribution for them, and that's what leads to the problems and what leads to the artist being cut out of the equation competely (which is ironic, given that they're the reason the picture even exists and they're it's true source).

We need to stop that. I am willing to once again do my part. I hope others will do the same.
 
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Fair enough. I'm totally about artists' rights to their own works. Considering the appetite for artwork in the community, I doubt we'll see a major change in the attitude of those who post art anytime soon, though. What are your thoughts of linking to places where art is already posted? By that I mean legitimately, like online galleries and such.
 
Sammi-chan said:
Fair enough. I'm totally about artists' rights to their own works. Considering the appetite for artwork in the community, I doubt we'll see a major change in the attitude of those who post art anytime soon, though. What are your thoughts of linking to places where art is already posted? By that I mean legitimately, like online galleries and such.

There's nothing to doubt. If it was made a policy people would be obliged to obey it, not merely "consider" it. When you make something optional, you give people a choice, and a majority of the time, they'll do the opposite of what you will have intended because they are more concerned with their interests than doing what's right.

So, that's why I am willing to push for this again. The rules protect the copyright owners of videos here and remove their material when it's posted post haste. Why isn't the same being done for artists and authors?

We (as I am one of them) are not treated the same way or given the same level of professional consideration. I can see how that happens, but it's slighting us all the same. Even if some would have no complaints over the matter, it's the site's responsbility to ensure things are as they should be.

I was appointed a moderator long ago to take care of these types of things.

Within 48 hours of my appointment I was removed as the artwork forum moderator (and also general moderator) because I was accused of creating rules I had no intention of clearing with the staff, which was not the case. I did make the list, but it would later be forwarded to the owner and those it would concern within the staff. The list would then have been discussed and ironed out.

Before I could grab hold of this situation, however, the carpet was yanked from underneath me and I was painted as some loose-cannon, power-abusing moderator, a poll was created to expel me (a big no no, since you're not to defy a moderator, only report them and talk to their superiors), and, only under the pressure of a fringe group, did the owner decide to remove me (which at the time he said was temporary and was not what he personally wanted).

Rest assured, my dear, I have had plans to rectify this for years. If things will have gone as they should have, this problem would not be here today.

I was never given the real chance to solve it. If I cannot be made a full moderator once again to finish what I started, then I at least want to be a part of the solution, even if I cannot spearhead it.
 
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Well, if it's true that artists are being slighted and not treated the same as video producers and such (and I'm not really going to doubt that such is the case), then yeah. I'd support actual policy to give them equal consideration for their hard work. I'd be willing to guess that the reason for the difference is that most video producers do it for profit, and only a few artists actually make money on it. But that doesn't really make it right. Credit where credit is due should still apply. I think I just misread your last post and assumed you meant a change in attitude rather than actual rules that people would have to follow.
 
Sammi-chan said:
Well, if it's true that artists are being slighted and not treated the same as video producers and such (and I'm not really going to doubt that such is the case), then yeah. I'd support actual policy to give them equal consideration for their hard work. I'd be willing to guess that the reason for the difference is that most video producers do it for profit, and only a few artists actually make money on it. But that doesn't really make it right. Credit where credit is due should still apply. I think I just misread your last post and assumed you meant a change in attitude rather than actual rules that people would have to follow.

It's true. It's not just my opinion. Alot of what you're saying is a foregone conclusion and is right.

Look around. When a clip is posted when it shouldn't be, it's removed with a moderator notice as to why.

The same does not hold true for most artists, because they may not technically be using their material as a business venture. People then assume, based on that and other factors, that it is ok to post anything here without trying to clear it first.

The mods do nothing because they cannot be cross-referencing things all the time or getting approval from the copyright holders.

That is what I will have been doing. My job and goal was very specific, and wasn't generalized at all (outside of the side-wide authority as all mods have). This was a clear understanding between myself and the owner, and he knew, even before I was modded, that I intended to clean up the artwork section and organize it more fully.

Because a situation can not always be validated readily, people assume to do what they wish. For all we know there are some who are making money off of their work, just like BAC here. We just don't know it, so we should not assume it just for the sake of having material here.

The only fair thing to do is avoid posting. I have created several countermeasures and situations where exceptions can be made and this and that, or how to deal with those "what if?" situations, that fall into a grey area not covered by the rules in any depth.

Trust me, this has been years in the making and I know what I'm talking about. Relying on people to merely listen to that is not good enough and never was. Some definite policies would need to be included and someone would have to take the time to make sure they're running smoothly.

Artwork needs to be given the same level of urgency that video producers are given or else this is just going to continue. To seperate the two into two seperate interests is not fair or considerate to everyone. It's like treating one as the greater and one as the lesser.

I will have worked a relation with the artists in the community to this site and will have had established knowledge of when it's ok and when it's not. The userbase will then have been informed publically of the list of oks and no-nos, and it is this, in part, that will have cut down on the unwanted or unknown distribution.

That would have been my job, and this all would have been solved already, rest assured. Some would like to believe we have this situation under control already, but we really don't in the larger picture, especially when it takes a great one like BAC himself to actually say something for something to finally be done. This incident is proof to the contrary.

Everyone and their material is equal. Popularity should have nothing to do with what is allowed to slide and what is not.
 
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Any artist who wants material removed should report the post using the exclamation-point icon. The forum rules clearly state that members may not post material which breaks the law, and that includes copyright infringement.

As others have said here, it can be difficult to identify the artists of unsigned or altered works, so we rely on members to report posts that infringe any copyright. We assume good faith "fair use" on the part of our members who post reasonable quantities of material and credit the source if known, but any artist who wants to be listed on the do-not-post list only needs to send a PM request to me or Nessonite.

I will investigate the matter further and reply with more detail if appropriate.
 
Artists have the same rights as video producers do. If an artist requests to not be posted that request will be honored the exact same way.
When a video is posted and nobody knows where it came from we don't remove it and we don't demand that the poster go and hunt down the source.
I dont think anyone wants to see super restrictive rules with no posting of any attachments allowed without express written consent of whomever it originated from.
Face it, folks. This is the internet. if someone posts their picture somewhere there is a good chance it's gonna be distributed. That's what copyrights and watermarks are for. It's not a fail-safe system but it's what we've got. If the source of something isn't known we assume that, until we hear from the source, it is okay to be here. If we stop assuming that we may as well stop people from posting anything.
 
MistressValerie said:
Any artist who wants material removed should report the post using the exclamation-point icon. The forum rules clearly state that members may not post material which breaks the law, and that includes copyright infringement.

As others have said here, it can be difficult to identify the artists of unsigned or altered works, so we rely on members to report posts that infringe any copyright. We assume good faith "fair use" on the part of our members who post reasonable quantities of material and credit the source if known, but any artist who wants to be listed on the do-not-post list only needs to send a PM request to me or Nessonite.

I will investigate the matter further and reply with more detail if appropriate.

This is flawed, unfortunately. If an artist doesn't know this is even transpiring then they're obviously not around to be reporting their own work or asking to be put on a list. Good faith fails all the time as this assumes that the material is from active artists within the community and they, their fans, or whomever are witness to this and will do something about it. Rarely have I seen this happen where the artists and their so-called fans work together like that.

People will not do it by choice. They're lazy and take the material for granted because it flows so easily and with little to no restrictions. Just because the rest of the internet makes everything available for free so rapidly (music, movies, computer programs, etc), doesn't mean we have to follow the ideal of that path.

The reason artists can be left out is because they're not represented properly, which is an oversight and doesn't have to be in situations and places where it can be helped. People don't care who the artis is in most instances, yet they want more of their art, and people post it, or even re-post it, without asking when these folks are just an IM or e-mail away.

Had things gone as planned this would not be an issue, as all of our strings would lead to somewhere and we'd have a definite answer for most situations. We'd have a working and growing archive of artists and their information, not a mere "do not post list".

We wouldn't have to be relying on "good faith" any longer.

A list of "no posts" may seem like it patches everything up ON THE SPOT, but it requires them to come to you, which isn't always ideal or likely. It's much easier for us to come to them and get it from their own mouths whether its ok.
 
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nessonite said:
Artists have the same rights as video producers do. If an artist requests to not be posted that request will be honored the exact same way.
When a video is posted and nobody knows where it came from we don't remove it and we don't demand that the poster go and hunt down the source.
I dont think anyone wants to see super restrictive rules with no posting of any attachments allowed without express written consent of whomever it originated from.
Face it, folks. This is the internet. if someone posts their picture somewhere there is a good chance it's gonna be distributed. That's what copyrights and watermarks are for. It's not a fail-safe system but it's what we've got. If the source of something isn't known we assume that, until we hear from the source, it is okay to be here. If we stop assuming that we may as well stop people from posting anything.

We're not talking about the world wide web, in most cases, though.

We're talking about the tickling community, an easily organizable place.

To fall on the "this is the internet, get with it" response, which I am not accusing you of entirely (you're just making a point, not defending a wrong), isn't the right mentality to be taking. It is, however, the easy way out.

The problem is people are lazy. People blend their laziness in with why something is or is not worth the trouble of going through.

This situation is easily rectifiable, but it needs to be done and supported by the websites themselves, not the blind hope that the userbase will do the work...because we already know how thats going to turn out.

The fact this happened to BAC of all people is really unsettling. It shows me that people have taken him and his work for granted, slowly, but surely.
 
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Timewarp said:
What he said. ^^^

You know what's ironic about that statement, in general?

People agree with me all the time and say just what you did just now (or other things) and feel I have a good ammount of common sense, wisdom, knowledge, consideration, or whatever you want to call it.

They actually let me speak for them because they feel what I've said was either perfect or as close to what they wanted to say that they didn't need to, but they say just enough to acknowledge their point.

And yet... (and here's the irony) when that goodness is being expressed in the form of a point, goal, or objective, I'm on my own and all that "you're smart" crap goes flying out the window! LOL! ^__^

The irony is the selective laziness of people on this website. They're there when you don't need them, and they're not when you do. LOL ^^

No offense to you or anything, bro. This is just an observation.
 
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