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Kurch for President

milagros317 said:
Most people with a time machine first try to do something dramatic such as killing Hitler.
It would much simpler to give him a scholarship to the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts, thus shunting him into the career of his adolescent dreams rather than politics.
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Interesting ideal 😛 I like it :iagree:
 
kurchatovium said:
Interesting idea 😛 I like it :iagree:
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It solves the silly moral question: "If you had a time machine, would it be ethical to murder Hitler as a toddler?"
By all accounts that I have read, at age 16, what he wanted was to be a famous artist, painting oil paintings, but he had no money to go to art school.
 
milagros317 said:
It solves the silly moral question: "If you had a time machine, would it be ethical to murder Hitler as a toddler?"
By all accounts that I have read, at age 16, what he wanted was to be a famous artist, painting oil paintings, but he had no money to go to art school.
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Issac Asimov had the idea in The Foundation that history had a sort of "inertia" about it. That if the situation was ripe for a tragic event that it had little to do with the person or persons involved and little could be done to stop it unless you changed events much further back in time. So by todays standards Obama was more of the pawn for "more government" and if you stopped him someone else would just take his place. Its an interesting idea I think. Makes using the time machine a bit more difficult.
 
kurchatovium said:
Issac Asimov had the idea in The Foundation that history had a sort of "inertia" about it. That if the situation was ripe for a tragic event that it had little to do with the person or persons involved and little could be done to stop it unless you changed events much further back in time. So by todays standards Obama was more of the pawn for "more government" and if you stopped him someone else would just take his place. Its an interesting idea I think. Makes using the time machine a bit more difficult.
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Yes, I enjoyed Asimov's Foundation series of novels very much. 😀 😛
 
If I remember correctly,he predicted people would use a computer for movie reservations.
 
Most people with a time machine first try to do something dramatic such as killing Hitler.
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(goes back in time and kills Hitler and stops the Nazi party from gaining power in Germany)

Time Traveler: Whew. I've saved over six million people. Now to go back to the future.

(goes back to the future to see a radioactive glass desert of a planet and ruined cities coated in fallout)

Time Traveler: HOOOOWWW?

Random Sentient Robot: Yeeeah, see, those six million Jews you saved kinda multiplied over the next 80+ years and eventually all of Europe became Zionist. Then tensions flared between Zionist Europe and the China/Soviet alliance. The resulting nuclear war killed billions. Hope you enjoy eating roach burgers cause that's all we have to eat.

The lesson here kiddies? DON'T FUCK WITH HISTORY!

(Note: I am NOT SAYING those six million people deserved to die. I'm simply saying that messing with history would have, er, unintended consequences)
 
ILuvDebonairDamsels said:
(goes back in time and kills Hitler and stops the Nazi party from gaining power in Germany)

Time Traveler: Whew. I've saved over six million people. Now to go back to the future.

(goes back to the future to see a radioactive glass desert of a planet and ruined cities coated in fallout)

Time Traveler: HOOOOWWW?

Random Sentient Robot: Yeeeah, see, those six million Jews you saved kinda multiplied over the next 80+ years and eventually all of Europe became Zionist. Then tensions flared between Zionist Europe and the China/Soviet alliance. The resulting nuclear war killed billions. Hope you enjoy eating roach burgers cause that's all we have to eat.

The lesson here kiddies? DON'T FUCK WITH HISTORY!

(Note: I am NOT SAYING those six million people deserved to die. I'm simply saying that messing with history would have, er, unintended consequences)
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You are free to speculate on any alternate history scenario that you wish.
But I find yours implausible because the first atomic weapons were developed in the United States in response to the threat that Hitler's regime in Germany had scientists capable of developing them. (Notable among them were Werner Heisenberg and Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker.) Absent Hitler's rise, it is not clear that Roosevelt would have been willing to devote the resources to the American nuclear project.
 
You are free to speculate on any alternate history scenario that you wish.
But I find yours implausible because the first atomic weapons were developed in the United States in response to the threat that Hitler's regime in Germany had scientists capable of developing them. (Notable among them were Werner Heisenberg and Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker.) Absent Hitler's rise, it is not clear that Roosevelt would have been willing to devote the resources to the American nuclear project.
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That might be possible but remember that the Russians were also working on their own nuclear project. Our nuclear program may have stalled but it might also later have gained traction during America's "war to hold back communism".
 
ILuvDebonairDamsels said:
That might be possible but remember that the Russians were also working on their own nuclear project. Our nuclear program may have stalled but it might also later have gained traction during America's "war to hold back communism".
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If the USA had not had the Manhattan Project in the early 1940's, then it is possible to speculate on half a dozen different alternative scenarios for which nation would have been the first to develop nuclear weapons. Feel free to do so.

For anybody interested in the actual Manhattan Project, I learned a lot by reading "Adventures of a Mathematician" by Stanislaw Ulam who was there. He was from Poland originally and hated all Germans (not just Nazis) for their invasion of his homeland. He worked incessantly at Los Alamos, often 16 hours a day, in the hopes of producing a super bomb to use on Germany. He was utterly heartbroken when the war in Europe ended before the bomb was ready. He had nothing against the Japanese, who never invaded Poland, and was not enthusiastic about the use of the bomb there.

https://www.amazon.com/Adventures-Mathematician-S-M-Ulam/dp/0520071549
 
The best thing in terms of nuclear stuff is to vote for me for president, the widdle radioactive atom known as kurchatovium. YAY for widdle atoms. :atom:

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kurchatovium said:
The best thing in terms of nuclear stuff is to vote for me for president, the widdle radioactive atom known as kurchatovium. YAY for widdle atoms. :atom:

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:iagree: That is best indeed, my friend. 😀 😛
 
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