Leaving Aflac Insurance..

[Bohemianne]

Boh, I have forgiven my father, many times. It's my father who rants on about my mother, and maternal grandmother, both of whom have been dead for years. That's less normal than a 44 year old son living in an apartment paid for by his well to do father.

Hmmmm... Sorry, I think you subconsciously haven't forgiven at all because if you do, then this thread should only be about Aflac, nothing more. Also, you seem to have the desperate need to vent. So many insertions of your clan, colleagues and friends in this thread. It's like an incurable itch. Hope you seriously find a remedy to it. [- Peace.]

 

[Mitchell]

kis, to answer your question. I just had a life changing event THREE DAYS AGO. It isn't unreasonable to take.., a weekend off to clear one's head.. after such an event.

"Suck it up cupcake":. Real intelligent and civil reply.. CHICAGO. You have the Intelilgence and civility of a sewer rat.

I wasn't asking for "sympathy". I was merely discussing a life altering event.. with people I thought were my friends. How wrong I was.

Reality.. if I could leave.. or at least.. take a hiatus from the forum.. I would. This place is apparently like a bad addiction, like a person who is being abused, yet cant leave.

From now on, no matter what happens, I will not post it.

My hope, is that,. eventually. I get over the whole "You've been here 12 years and Jeff found you Jim Gardner thing", and leave. After.. what was.. the second worst thing to happen to me.,. except for my mom being sick and dying.. this thread has served as a "Let's Bash Mitch" thread after he had a very unfortunate thing happen to him.

CHICAGO.. I'll say it again. After your reactions in this thread.. no matter what bad would happen to you, or what tradegies you would have in your life.. you would and will get ZERO sympathy from me. I think you display the most uncivilized behavior, of anyone I've encountered in the 12 years I've been here

 

[Mitchell]

I'm going to tell everyone something that just dawned on me.

kis post doesn't make me angry or upset.. for two reasons. One, she has a history of being supportive if things go well., or bad, like when I passed the insurance exam, and when my mom was sick and died. I think she might not understand that I need a few days to process this.. but.. her intent is in the right place.

CHICAGO. (Again in capital letters). "Suck it up, cupcake". All that displays from her is the following.

1. She has no civility whatsoever. She could have abided by this supposed "Golden Rule", and said nothing, but she knew nothing would happen to her, no matter what she said.

2. Another person. who has civility.. having nothing to do with "Crying and whining", as she so lamely says.. could have said "Look Mitch, I know you worked hard at Aflac, and it's tough, try to put that behind you, and focus on something productive". That wasn't even remotely what she said.

It's pointless to even debate this. CHICAGO'S posts, show her character, and/or severe lack thereof, and nothing is done about her ruthless posts., so she knows she can get away with it.

More disturbing to me, is the hypocrisy of this forum. THE GOLDEN RULE that is so prominently posted in the forum, is in fact, fiction, at least when it comes to people with a history of attacking me.

Not that it's anyone's fucking business, but, before I left Aflac, my co workers and supervisors, both in Chicago, (The city, not the TMF forum member's lame name). and here, were discussing the difference and difficulties in the company, since many of the people who hired me, were shifted to the office out there. Co workers and friends were having reflection of how it used to be. Do you know what would have happened if any of us had said "The office is different, suck it up, cupcake" like CHICAGO (The TMF forum member's name ) said.. We would have been considered outcasts, uncivilized, etc.

As I said CHICAGO does it because she knows she can. Nothing will be done about her attacks.

 

[Libertine]

*Sigh*.

Chivalry dictates that I really must wade in here. My wife and I have known Chicago IRL in a strictly platonic sense for several years and always found her to be both intelligent and convivial albeit a bit shy. We met her when she was only 19 and first came to NEST, courageously doing so on her own. And throughout the time we've been acquainted, she's worked diligently at jobs far below her level of intelligence because family problems interrupted her further education and she's had to support herself without any help.

Mitch, I'm not attacking you but rather quietly stating facts.

I'm sorry your mother passed away but she was in her mid-70s and 70-80 years is generally humanity's lot in life. That's hardly a new discovery- Psalm 90:10 says "The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away." Many, my own mother included, die a lot younger than she did, and all we surviving relatives can do is just get on with life while we recover.

An insurance license, nice as it is to have and no matter how hard one works to gain it, still does not guarantee expertise at selling the product any more than passing your driving test immediately qualifies you to race Formula 1 cars. Sales is a difficult profession, prone to disappointment, failure and low-level tragedy, which is why Arthur Miller's 1949 play 'Death of a Salesman' has struck such a resonant chord with audiences all over the world for decades- even the recent production in China was well-received.

I've sold motorcycles on straight commission when there was a lull in my usual profession, and also sold very high-end custom video advertising packages to heads of corporations. I hated doing both jobs, but did make money at them. People flake, renege on deals, change their minds, buy from someone else- simply because a customer expresses interest is never a guarantee of a sale. So I cannot understand your constant harping on a deal that was brokered by your father and pitched by your boss. Even had it come through and you'd somehow received all the commission for something with which- let's face it- you had no real involvement, it still would not have provided sufficient funds for you to retire after one deal. Aflac would still be asking you to write further business on your own.

Pitching Market America, as Keith warned you, is not a good idea as it's essentially a pyramid scheme, participants being treated by Head Office as independent contractors. Most of its sales force do it as a second job; almost none of them actually make money longterm as a recent lawsuit has revealed. And restaurant chains like TGIF need to be pitched at the corporate level, not to the individual managers even if they do offer to pass the material upstairs. Only the corporate decision makers have the power to sign, and it's up to the salesman to speak to them himself.

I'll not say anything further about your relationship with your father except for the fact that you admit that he pays your rent, and yet you have often written that you go to casinos to gamble and also take taxis rather than public transport although no mention of the source of the money necessary to do either has been mentioned.

Last of all, your oft- repeated desire to pay back your father every penny he's laid out to support you is laudable, but the one thing you can never repay is the source of his impulse to pay for you in the first place. Even if you feel he's done it grudgingly and with strings attached, and threatens to cut you off entirely, he still funded your relocation to NYC and continues to fund your existence, on your own, in a private apartment.

If you want to be independent get an anything job to support yourself, find people to move in with as a roommate and go to night school to learn a profession. Mid-40s is not too old. If not, you'll have to consider your family troubles the price you pay for your father's financial support.

That's all I have to say on the matter, but good luck whatever you decide to do.

 

[Mitchell]

I don't see how anything you brought up is relevant to my leaving Aflac, Libertine. All you basically did is to attack every aspect of my life, and then wish me well, sheer hypocrisy if there ever was one.

"Chicago is intelligent".,

"I should feel nothing about losing my mother".

"Market America is a pyramid scheme.".

"I should feel nothing about losing Aflac".

Just fuck it already. Think whatever you want. Trust me, I have my not kind opinions about you as well. Your post proves your intent, Libertine.

 

[JJB]

Mitchell, it's kind of easy to see why you are criticized so much on here, sometimes fairly, sometimes unfairly. Just in this thread alone...

Not that it's anyone's fucking business, but,

Additionally, I don't think its anyone's fucking business to judge,

Some of the comments by certain people in this thread...are none of anyone's fucking business but my dad's and mine.

If you don't want something to be "anyone's fucking business" you really have to stop posting about it. No offense, but nobody ASKED about any of this. It's important to you, and you obviously need to get shit off your chest, but it's not working out very well posting it for you here.

Anything you post on the internet is other people's "fucking business". You can't expect privacy or for other people not to respond when you post anything. You really need to save this type of stuff for your therapist... for your own good.

I'm going to tell everyone something that just dawned on me.

I'm going to tell everyone something,

I'm going to tell all the mavens on this forum who are ripping me something.

Something else.. I don't know if people can understand this.

I'm going to tell everyone something,

I want to make one thing perfectly clear:

Now.. as if I don't already have enough problems.. I have another issue.

Just... stop. Step back for awhile, because it's not good for you. I understand you have a lot of stressful influences in your life right now. You really have to stop consciously adding to it, and this is obviously making it worse for you. Nobody is out to get you, but by telling everybody your problems that they didn't ask about, it makes it easier for others to offer advice and criticism, even when you didn't ask for it.

From now on, you don't have to tell anybody anything. Just stick to non-dramatic threads. There are hundreds of those already. Talk about sports or weather or those nonsensical game threads. Relax man.

Say whatever the fuck you want. I seriously don't care.

You do because you keep responding. Look at how many times on this thread alone you replied to yourself when NOBODY ELSE commented on it. Just let it go, this thread and all these hostilities. It's NOT worth it.



It would help you and everybody else if you take your own advice:

From now on, no matter what happens, I will not post it.

The only thing I really can do.. is post nothing on the forum.. so the attackers will have no information with which to attack me.

You already know the solution, so make a conscious effort not to post about it anymore.

I wonder when or if I will reach my breaking point, that enough will be enough, twelve year history here or not. Maybe. I've had so many changes over the past four years, with my mom being sick and dying, moving to NY, reconnections with relatives I hadn't seen in years, and then the Aflac position that is now over, I wanted some familiarity with Jim Gardner and this forum. I personally think the attacks allowed in this thread are disgraceful, and not just because I'm the recipient of them.

While taking a break from the forum could benefit you and lower your stress level, you don't even have to do that. Just stay away from making or responding to threads like this. NOBODY is keeping score... nobody asked... nobody cares in the big picture.

Relax and have fun on here.

 

[Mitchell]

All I mentioned is that I lost a position, and had a change in circumstance, JJB. It didn't justify some of the attacking and judgemental responses like Chicago and Libertine gave.

 

[JJB]

All I mentioned is that I lost a position, and had a change in circumstance, JJB. It didn't justify some of the attacking and judgemental responses like Chicago and Libertine gave.

It happens. While your situation certainly sucks, there's much worse out there in the world to worry about.

Just ask yourself if this thread is worth it anymore. I think you've said everything you need to, so just let it die out now.

Talk about baseball... talk about the weather... or music. Focus on positive topics that don't stress you out as much.

Just log out and relax for awhile man. Good luck to you with whatever is ahead.

 

[Mitchell]

While I see your point. I don't think you understand. There is something else beyond losing the situation with Aflac that is bothering me, but.. I'm not going to post the details of that here, so as to blow this thread up even more.

 

[JJB]

While I see your point. I don't think you understand. There is something else beyond losing the situation with Aflac that is bothering me, but.. I'm not going to post the details of that here, so as to blow this thread up even more.

You're right. I don't understand. Nobody is going to understand it like you do. That's life. Just do the best you can with the time you have.

You're doing the right thing though about not posting it here now. Good job on realizing that.

This will be my last post on this thread since the topic is dead now; I won't be checking it for replies, so hopefully you're done with it as well. If you still need to vent, feel free to PM me. Let's just let this thread go.

Have a good night.

 

[hawkfan]

Mitchell, while I will not allow myself to comment on your work situation as I have not followed this story from the start, I will say this. Those attacks on you not only exhibit ignorance and pure disregard, but also seem to come solely out of spite and as a mean to ridicule and have fun at the expense of other people's problems.

This I can't say , is something new to Chicago. I have seen her display this type of behavior time and time again, and while you may think she gets a pass, trust me on this, I have heard more than one person acknowledge the fact that she is, for lack of a better term, an insecure bully: adding fuel to the fire and running away. Just trust me on this, this is the perception of half if not more of the forum members. I would advise you not to even bother to read any other comments(attack) she directs your way.

 

[Myriads]

This is done.