m/m tickling - guys, is it gay?

Skipadeedoodah · Sep 26, 2008

ParanoidChant said:
I'm guessing the only reason why we've gotten as many solidly 'yes' replies as we have (though albeit relatively few) is because the forum in which the OP's question was posed happened to be a tickling fetish forum. Like so many have said before, it's only gay if the two guys tickling each other are in to each other.

My friends tickle each other all the time but it's just me and one other guy who register as bi-curious. Otherwise, it's completely horseplay. There's all sorts of contact involved in UFC and you'll only get as many comparable 'yes' votes if you asked this question in a wrestling fetish website (which I'm sure probably exists).

Very good point! 🙂

Soda83pop · Sep 26, 2008

Im not as into tickling as almost all of you, so here it is from that perspective (at least in regards to me):

I would never tickle one of my male friends. I dont want them tickling me. Nor do I want them kissing me for fun. Or offering to give me a foot massage, even if they are licensed. Or anything else that I would associate with something I would do to or with the opposite sex.

I thoroughly enjoy watching women do anything they want to to each other. I am a big fan of lesbians.

I have absolutely no desire to watch two men do anything to each other that remotely looks sexual. However, and I dont see why some people cant understand this:

Simply because I dont enjoy WATCHING or PARTICIPATING in m/m activities, does NOT mean I find them morally unacceptable or wrong.

Where did the idea come from that because I dont get turned on or dont want to see two guys tickle each other or me means Im narrow minded or think its gay or whatever classification you want to attach to it. I have a friend that likes to shoot 3 ways: two guys and a girl. It is physically impossible to do a scene with two guys and a girl and the two guys not touch each other. I dont think he is gay; I know for a fact he isnt gay. I know the guy doing the scene with him isnt gay. But I dont watch their scenes....because I dont want to see two guys get that close to each other. But they dont give me shit about it or call me a homophobe. They just know its not my thing.

The same should be applied here. I shouldnt be looked down upon just because I dont want to be involved in the m/m activities, or want to see them in person, or buy the movies, etc. That is no different than it would be if I looked down on the guys that did m/m tickling sessions, which would also be wrong. I dont need to be enlightened by anyone, and I shouldnt have to post my list of gay friends to prove to you Im not really having manhood issues. Im just not a fan of it.

Marquis De Sade · Sep 26, 2008

dajerx said:
Im not as into tickling as almost all of you, so here it is from that perspective (at least in regards to me):

I would never tickle one of my male friends. I dont want them tickling me. Nor do I want them kissing me for fun. Or offering to give me a foot massage, even if they are licensed. Or anything else that I would associate with something I would do to or with the opposite sex.

I thoroughly enjoy watching women do anything they want to to each other. I am a big fan of lesbians.

I have absolutely no desire to watch two men do anything to each other that remotely looks sexual. However, and I dont see why some people cant understand this:

Simply because I dont enjoy WATCHING or PARTICIPATING in m/m activities, does NOT mean I find them morally unacceptable or wrong.

Where did the idea come from that because I dont get turned on or dont want to see two guys tickle each other or me means Im narrow minded or think its gay or whatever classification you want to attach to it. I have a friend that likes to shoot 3 ways: two guys and a girl. It is physically impossible to do a scene with two guys and a girl and the two guys not touch each other. I dont think he is gay; I know for a fact he isnt gay. I know the guy doing the scene with him isnt gay. But I dont watch their scenes....because I dont want to see two guys get that close to each other. But they dont give me shit about it or call me a homophobe. They just know its not my thing.

The same should be applied here. I shouldnt be looked down upon just because I dont want to be involved in the m/m activities, or want to see them in person, or buy the movies, etc. That is no different than it would be if I looked down on the guys that did m/m tickling sessions, which would also be wrong. I dont need to be enlightened by anyone, and I shouldnt have to post my list of gay friends to prove to you Im not really having manhood issues. Im just not a fan of it.

*applause* And no, I'm not being sarcastic. 🙂

Tiger.Lily · Sep 26, 2008

*rolls eyes*

It's almost not even worth saying because I know it won't breach the thickness of your skulls, but I will anyway.

Men, if you believe that tickling another man threatens your masculinity in some way or another, or that it means you are homosexual, then clearly you aren't very secure in your sexuality. Period.

If I tickle a female friend, does that make me a lesbian? Uh, no. Der. Double standards are not attractive.

I have plenty of straight male friends who tickle *gasp*, egads! their other straight male friends. None of them are gay. Not a one. Then I have my gay male friends who tickle their other gay male friends. That doesn't even mean it's sexual. It just means that I have a bunch of male friends who like horseplay.

Sheesh. The ignorance and insecurity exhibited is overwhelming.

BellaRisa · Sep 26, 2008

dajerx said:
Im not as into tickling as almost all of you, so here it is from that perspective (at least in regards to me):

I would never tickle one of my male friends. I dont want them tickling me. Nor do I want them kissing me for fun. Or offering to give me a foot massage, even if they are licensed. Or anything else that I would associate with something I would do to or with the opposite sex.

I thoroughly enjoy watching women do anything they want to to each other. I am a big fan of lesbians.

I have absolutely no desire to watch two men do anything to each other that remotely looks sexual. However, and I dont see why some people cant understand this:

Simply because I dont enjoy WATCHING or PARTICIPATING in m/m activities, does NOT mean I find them morally unacceptable or wrong.

Where did the idea come from that because I dont get turned on or dont want to see two guys tickle each other or me means Im narrow minded or think its gay or whatever classification you want to attach to it. I have a friend that likes to shoot 3 ways: two guys and a girl. It is physically impossible to do a scene with two guys and a girl and the two guys not touch each other. I dont think he is gay; I know for a fact he isnt gay. I know the guy doing the scene with him isnt gay. But I dont watch their scenes....because I dont want to see two guys get that close to each other. But they dont give me shit about it or call me a homophobe. They just know its not my thing.

The same should be applied here. I shouldnt be looked down upon just because I dont want to be involved in the m/m activities, or want to see them in person, or buy the movies, etc. That is no different than it would be if I looked down on the guys that did m/m tickling sessions, which would also be wrong. I dont need to be enlightened by anyone, and I shouldnt have to post my list of gay friends to prove to you Im not really having manhood issues. Im just not a fan of it.

Very well said!

Unfortunately, folks with some sense, like you, get lumped in with the folks who *are* narrow-minded and simply must label any physical activity between males as gay (if it doesn't involve pain and horror, like football :devil:

).

I've said this before: some of the most brutal, nonsexual pure-punishment tickling I've personally witnessed involved one poor sap being held down and worked over by a buch of other dudes who wanted to make him suffer in a humiliating way. it was hot to me, because that kind of intense */m tickling puts the butter on my muffin :woot:

, but I know none of the guys involved were turned on, least of all the victim. Hell, I have male friends who'll poke this one guy in the ribs every time they see him, especially at the bar in front of women, because of the weird-ass sound he makes :manicd:

. It's about giving him crap, not remotely sexual. Of course M/M tickling can be gay, but it's all about context and the guys involved. Labeling every such scenario as 'gay' simply reveals your ignorance.

Marquis De Sade · Sep 26, 2008

euphoricstrokes said:
*rolls eyes*

It's almost not even worth saying because I know it won't breach the thickness of your skulls, but I will anyway.

Men, if you believe that tickling another man threatens your masculinity in some way or another, or that it means you are homosexual, then clearly you aren't very secure in your sexuality. Period.

If I tickle a female friend, does that make me a lesbian? Uh, no. Der. Double standards are not attractive.

I have plenty of straight male friends who tickle *gasp*, egads! their other straight male friends. None of them are gay. Not a one. Then I have my gay male friends who tickle their other gay male friends. That doesn't even mean it's sexual. It just means that I have a bunch of male friends who like horseplay.

Sheesh. The ignorance and insecurity exhibited is overwhelming.

Huh. You just said something that, coupled with Drew's previous intelligent post, completely enlightened me.

You're talking about horseplay. I mean, not strictly horseplay I'm sure but, in a sense - just some harmless, innocent tickle fun. Because of my usual personal association with tickling (sexual), when presented with the original (flawed - because is never went into detail concerning circumstance, etc.), question, up until now, I didn't even think of two guys just goofing off and having fun. I was replacing the usual sexual/sensual scenes in my head with two males instead of a m/f or f/f and of course that automatically made it uncomfortable. The reason why there's been so much debate from opposite ends of the spectrum here is because we're all coming/replying from completely different places entirely. I know I was. Coda changed my mind, Drew shed some much needed light on all the confusion and you just made the light bulb glow even brighter, hopefully, for all of us. 😀

drew70 · Sep 26, 2008

BellaRisa said:
...one poor sap being held down and worked over by a buch of other dudes who wanted to make him suffer in a humiliating way....

I've had male friends all my life. From grade school to the military to Corporate America. A very wide range of personalities and backgrounds. I've never seen or heard of anything like this. I'm here to tell you that is not ordinary, it's downright creepy.

I have male friends who'll poke this one guy in the ribs every time they see him, especially at the bar in front of women, because of the weird-ass sound he makes

If they tried that at any of the bars I've been to, there would be a lot of broken fingers.
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BellaRisa · Sep 26, 2008

euphoricstrokes said:
I have plenty of straight male friends who tickle *gasp*, egads! their other straight male friends. None of them are gay. Not a one. Then I have my gay male friends who tickle their other gay male friends. That doesn't even mean it's sexual. It just means that I have a bunch of male friends who like horseplay.

So I'm not the only one who's witnessed such? And it's not terribly unusual or odd? I didn't think so. Thank you :wavingguy

Tiger.Lily · Sep 26, 2008

drew70 said:
I've had male friends all my life. From grade school to the military to Corporate America. A very wide range of personalities and backgrounds. I've never seen or heard of anything like this. I'm here to tell you that is not ordinary, it's downright creepy.

I think it's perfectly fine and ordinary for a group of close friends to hold each other down and tickle each other. I have guy friends who have done just that. If it's okay for girls it's okay for guys.

BellaRisa said:
So I'm not the only one who's witnessed such? And it's not terribly unusual or odd? I didn't think so. Thank you

No. Not at all. Some people are just narrow-minded. Unfortunately.

colofootman13 · Sep 26, 2008

It's funny how we live in a homophobic and double standard world.I come here,check out the clips and the pics.A lot of them have women tickling women,some naked,and I don't believe I have seen a question about F/F,is it gay.I could have missed that question.It's funny how Charlie(a woman)can tickle another woman naked,tickle her breasts,use a vibrator on her,be tickled naked by another woman and that's ok.To me,the bottom line is if you don't like or want to see M/M tickling,don't allow it here.I mean,it seems that tickling is only for the good-looking,model types(m or f),the young,guys that are buffed and have a big penis,etc. in the first place.You people have seen the pics of my wifes feet I posted and I get a lot of compliments on them,but a lot of you wouldn't tickle her if you knew she wasn't skinny.
Tickling should be for anyone that likes tickling regardless of whether it is M/M,F/F,size,etc.and if sex is involved or not.

drew70 · Sep 26, 2008

euphoricstrokes said:
I think it's perfectly fine and ordinary for a group of close friends to hold each other down and tickle each other. I have guy friends who have done just that. If it's okay for girls it's okay for guys.

Just because you've seen it doesn't make it fine, ordinary, or okay. And as unfair as it may seem to you, what's okay for girls is not necessarily okay for guys and vice versa. Men and women are equal in terms of worth and value. No gender supercedes the other. But their ARE differences, and not just biological ones. We dress differently. We great each other differently, and there are different social expectations. I personally don't look at it as a bad thing. Viva la difference! 😀

Of course there are those who deliberately go against the societal norms, so yes, you're going to see some weirdness from time to time. The all male gang tickles would be a more extreme example of that.

No. Not at all. Some people are just narrow-minded. Unfortunately.

LOL. Well that's a little on the nose, don't you think?

Hmm. It seems I have a choice. Agree with you or be labeled. Decisions decisions.
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Tiger.Lily · Sep 26, 2008

drew70 said:
Just because you've seen it doesn't make it fine, ordinary, or okay.

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Of course there are those who deliberately go against the societal norms, so yes, you're going to see some weirdness from time to time. The all male gang tickles would be a more extreme example of that.

Lawl. Silly, Drew.

Just because you don't find it "fine, ordinary, or okay" doesn't mean it isn't either. You seem to have an opinion on everything and you seem to believe you're always right. Explain to me then, oh wise one, what makes it so very wrong and dirty?

Societal norms makes it not "okay"? So I suppose since the norms of society deem this forum and fetish odd and weird, it's not "fine, ordinary, or okay" either?

CrystalLight · Sep 26, 2008

You're always going to come in contact with either a large group of homophobic pricks or men who think if they even hug another man they are going to be labeled in some way. (see: insecure.)

It's the way of the beast and unfortunately no amount of discussing it is going to solve it. It's something that if they want to open their eyes and realize how utterly ridiculous it is to carry a view like that, then they're going to have to do it their damn self.

There's nothing wrong with m/m just like there's nothing wrong with f/f. But, because so many instantly label a lot of f/f as carrying 'lesbian action', then they automatically (and stupidly) carry the mentality that m/m is gay.

It's all very ignorant, but it's the way of the beast. Some people refuse to look at the happenings around them with a broader stance and that's their prerogative.

One of these days one of them will rip the blinders off and realize that the world around them is so much more beautiful without the stick in their ass.

BellaRisa · Sep 26, 2008

Hmm...

CrystalLight said:
One of these days one of them will rip the blinders off and realize that the world around them is so much more beautiful without the stick in their ass.

You mean like this?

Tiger.Lily · Sep 26, 2008

BellaRisa said:
You mean like this?

Omg. I like.

DimpleToes · Sep 26, 2008

I dont think that is fair to say ppl wont tickle her because of her weight.. alot of men like thick women and if they are your freinds, weight does not matter... I am a thick OVERWEIGHT woman, I have posted pictures of myself and no one had been rude to me about my weight. I have actually gotten several compliments and have gotten more attention since I have posted my pics.. Your real freinds will not be bothered by your sex or weight.. Love me or Like me is my motto..if one is goning to be so narrow minded as to judge you by your appearance they are not your freinds.

colofootman13 said:
It's funny how we live in a homophobic and double standard world.I come here,check out the clips and the pics.A lot of them have women tickling women,some naked,and I don't believe I have seen a question about F/F,is it gay.I could have missed that question.It's funny how Charlie(a woman)can tickle another woman naked,tickle her breasts,use a vibrator on her,be tickled naked by another woman and that's ok.To me,the bottom line is if you don't like or want to see M/M tickling,don't allow it here.I mean,it seems that tickling is only for the good-looking,model types(m or f),the young,guys that are buffed and have a big penis,etc. in the first place.You people have seen the pics of my wifes feet I posted and I get a lot of compliments on them,but a lot of you wouldn't tickle her if you knew she wasn't skinny.
Tickling should be for anyone that likes tickling regardless of whether it is M/M,F/F,size,etc.and if sex is involved or not.

jk666uk · Sep 26, 2008

oh my god what this
the 40,000 gay threads post again , dont no maybe 40,001 ???

Marquis De Sade · Sep 26, 2008

jk666uk said:
oh my god what this
the 40,000 gay threads post again , dont no maybe 40,001

This has happened before?

And yes, totally agree with the weight thing. I used to date a girl who probably would've been considered overweight (especially in LA), and she was GREAT to tickle.

Sleepy Jean · Sep 26, 2008

OK, let me weigh in (no pun intended). I think guys tickling guys is SOOOOOO gay. But I also think there is nothing wrong with being gay.

Perhaps it's because I see tickling as sexual only. I wouldn't feel comfortable being tickled by a woman, especially if I were tied up. I would not really feel comfortable tied up and tickled by a man other than my husband, either. It's sexual, you know.

EcEu · Sep 26, 2008

i guess i'll finally chime in on this topic.

First off, i'm a raging heterosexual, but i don't think m/m is gay.

Even though i don't think it's gay doesn't change the fact that i wouldn't watch it or enjoy it, but that's just because i prefer watching/hearing/experiencing the natural work of art which is the human female during tickling play.

Tickling to me, is an activity i would want to share with a female friend and not another guy.

CrystalLight · Sep 26, 2008

BellaRisa said:
You mean like this?

Hai. Luff yoo. Yush. :cuddle:

The Bandito · Sep 26, 2008

Sleepy Jean said:
OK, let me weigh in (no pun intended). I think guys tickling guys is SOOOOOO gay. But I also think there is nothing wrong with being gay.

Perhaps it's because I see tickling as sexual only. I wouldn't feel comfortable being tickled by a woman, especially if I were tied up. I would not really feel comfortable tied up and tickled by a man other than my husband, either. It's sexual, you know.

Thank you very much. Sleepy... you rock.

I've read through this thread, and there are a lot of amazing posts here from very insightful people.

What's kind of a bummer is that the word 'gay' still seems to be a bad word. I have cranked out dozens and dozens of illustrations of half naked gals tickling each other, and no one has said anything about any of them being gay. But two guys tickling each other is MEGA-GAY, right? And the sad part - that's supposed to be a bad thing?

A couple of me best friends are gay guys. I work out with them all the time, and they are amazing people. One of them kinda figured out that I am ticklish, and what's more that tickling totally gets a reaction out of me.

So on several occasions he has gotten me with a quick tickle when we're in a large group hanging out, or out to eat. I am now sort of outed among this group of friends and known as the ticklish guy. I like girls. Never slept with a guy. Have no interest in sleeping with a guy.

But when I am in these situations... even though the tickling surprises the crap out of me, and makes me blush like crazy... I don't get all freaked out by it.

If that makes me gay... then I am so completely okay with that.

Here's the point... we can argue all day whether or not guy/guy tickling is gay. What will make me happy, is when we can evolve as a society to the point where we no longer mind if it's gay or not. What's wrong with being gay?

You don't have to be gay, but we don't have to use it as a dirty word either.

And for all the guys that use 'gay' as sometime of put down, remember that you're no longer 8 years old - most of you have a sexual fetish (tickling) that most people kinda frown upon, and that you probably keep it as a secret. So try to be open minded as to what other people might be into.

I think it's time for a big gay hug for the entire forum.

The Deeto

drew70 · Sep 26, 2008

Euphoricy said:
Lawl. Silly, Drew.

Just because you don't find it "fine, ordinary, or okay" doesn't mean it isn't either.

That's true. But reverse the situation for a moment and imagine me not asking, but rather <em>telling</em> you what's normal for women and what isn't. Dispite what you think you know, you're still looking in from the outside. That still doesn't make me right, it just means I'm in a better position than you to offer a more informed opinion on what kinds of behavior guys in general are likely to embrace.

You seem to have an opinion on everything

I don't. It just seems that way because you and I seem to hit the same threads. As I recall, you've agreed with me on many of those threads.

and you seem to believe you're always right.

If I always seem to believe I'm right it's because I don't argue points on which I know I'm wrong. Do you?

Explain to me then, oh wise one, what makes it so very wrong and dirty?

Isn't it amazing how much can change in the space of an hour? You change from Euphoric Strokes to Euphoricy. I change from "narrow-minded" to "wise one." I think a high five is in order. :woot:

I never said it was wrong. I never said it was dirty. I'm saying that straight guys gang tickling each other is unusual behavior, out of the ordinary. If it were as commonplace as Bella says it is, we'd all be seeing a lot more of it. Is it okay? Yes, in the sense that if all parties are agreeable to it, it certainly doesn't hurt anybody. But I would describe both scenarios Bella described as creepy since they both involved tickling that was clearly nonconsentual.

Societal norms makes it not "okay"? So I suppose since the norms of society deem this forum and fetish odd and weird, it's not "fine, ordinary, or okay" either?

The difference is that we acknowledge that our interest is rare and different. We fully recognize that it is a departure from mainstream behavior. We know it's unusual and so we keep our interests on the down low. We're not trying to pass it off as "horseplay," because frankly, that just doesn't fly.

Societal norms govern most of our social behavior. Most guys won't walk up to a hot babe and feel up her boobs even though he might want to very much. Why? Because he knows it's an socially unacceptable behavior.

I don't believe the general public hates us ticklephiles anywhere near to the degree described by some people here. I've told tons of people what I like and have been doing so for over twenty years. Nearly every response was one of either amusement or genuine interest. There was only one exception. I once told a girl on a date that I like being tickled. She wrinkled her nose and said, "Eww, that's kinky."

I think we tickling enthusiasts are our own worst enemy sometimes. We fear and imagine all this social rejection and non-acceptance. So we throw up our own walls of defiance by labeling them narrow minded, vanilla, whatever. They sense this and then confirm our fears by reacting negatively.

When we start to accept tickling as something cool and exciting, it goes a long way to others accepting you.
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GirlWhoLikes2Laugh · Sep 26, 2008

TklDuo-Ann said:
While I don't necessarily agree with them. Feelings are feelings. Most guys feel it crosses the line. Many even feel threatened by the mention. This is why all M/M sites are on a seperate page in my links directories on the site. This way, everyone can simply relax.

I basically agree with you Ann. I just feel more strongly that if I see two guys tickling each other, even if it's innocent, unfortunately, most people will think they are gay.

:cat:

Soda Bobinski · Sep 26, 2008

Okaaayyy ...

M/M spooning - guys , is it gay?

m/m tickling - guys, is it gay?

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