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Michael Jackson fans?

In the contexts of the moneys, there is a defensive for the case. I wouldn't be surprized if Jackson weasals out of this again, if only on a technicality.
 
would you call a mother who will be proven to have coached her child in another fraudulant lawsuit a technicality?

I think that it is funny that society did the same thing with the guy who wrote peter pan. he hung around teenage boys for an entire summer before writing peter pan and the same false accusations were made about him. I think that the greater issue in society is how devalued children have become in mainstream America. In my home town of Florida 1/3 pregnancies ends in abortion(which i have never ever heard a good reason for except to make women feel like GOD). Our society has developed two fundamental paradigms:1. that children are really a drag and that no body would really want to be around them. I had to break up with a girlfriend of mine because she actually had the idea that the only reason i wanted kids was some sort of vanity. people see children as the end of romance and sexual intimacy in relationships so we turn a blind eye when they are murdered before birth, and now even shortly after which is alarming. 2. that men are dogs and that the only drive they have for any cause is to gain sexuall gratification. he's working late he must be cheating. he bought new cologne he must be cheating. men have been reduced to imatuer boys who are suposed to be sexuall drones to their inherant desires. put these two paradigms together and you come up with only one conclusion: any male who seeks out the company of adolescent males with any real or imagined inordinate affection or urgency must be doing it to satisfy his perverse male sexual desire becuase there can not be a logical admiration of children. I just don't subscribe to either of those paradigms.
 
MistressValerie said:
I liked his "Off the Wall" album, but that was it. His personal life is so disturbing that now I change the channel any time his music is on the radio.
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Yeah, Off the Wall was the best album. There were a couple of good songs on Thriller.
I think if you asked any Michael Jackson fan, they'd say that they are fans of the old Michael and not the present Michael. Very few are fans of "both" era's of Michael Jackson.
 
That was an excellent, well written post, jj. Thanks for the contribution...you raise some very good points. We do have the tendency to see men as sexual predators who are just looking for gratification in any form available. I have read a few articles on this subject where men say they avoid walking down streets where there are children present for fear of someone thinking they looked at them the wrong way.
That's not to say Jacko is innocent...whether he is or isn't in THIS case is pretty irrelevant...but he's still a freak and I would have a very hard time saying he's as pure as he says he is.
 
c'mon...is evrybody blind?if michael is really a child molester, do u think he would do it with so many publicity? by telling evrybody he'll bring kids 2 his house?n even build a PLAY GROUND for them? those things he had done for the kid dont look like they r some COVER-UP at all... n i dun think a real child molester will hav the heart 2 do it...
he could hav done it in other 'darker' ways...
is all the VULTURES hunting for his money...n evrybody knows that...
n i'm sure..EVRYBODY KNOWS...the media jz used him...evrybody used him 2 get something back for themselves...
n stop saying bout some CHILDHOOD CRISIS...CHILDHOOD CRISIS had made him a better person...not worse...
 
jj82277 said:
would you call a mother who will be proven to have coached her child in another fraudulant lawsuit a technicality?
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I wasn't talking about that when I said what I said. In fact, I did offer support to the possibility that the children have been coached or are lying just for the fun of it and are not understanding the reprocussions of what they are saying.

However, just because this is a likelyhood doesn't detract from the other elements of the case. Its 50/50, the jury knows that or will come to know that. I honestly don't think, with Jackson's past, that he will be given the benefit of the doubt this time. Whatever happens will likely be on a tecnicality, or a last minute, desperate discision.

They're either going to set him free or imprison him, like they did Martha Stuwart (who probably gets treated differently, gets her own cell, gets to bath in safe places, get her meals handed to her, she doesn't have to actually be with the other inmates, etc. The same luxuries, in prison, would be afforded to Jackson. Hell, he wouldn't last that long if he was really with the big boys. Martha would last longer.)

This disgusts me. Because if he truely is guilty of any or all of the crimes he's been accused of, getting a comfy prison sentence just because he's a celebrity is hardly a punishment at all. I don't expect him to be raped or want him to be in danger or anything like that, but if he is guilty the least he deserves to know is fear. All of this has culminated to this point, and if Jackson is guilty, he deserves whats coming to him (though he's likely to weasal out of that too).
 
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pupokmapot said:
c'mon...is evrybody blind?if michael is really a child molester, do u think he would do it with so many publicity? by telling evrybody he'll bring kids 2 his house?n even build a PLAY GROUND for them? those things he had done for the kid dont look like they r some COVER-UP at all... n i dun think a real child molester will hav the heart 2 do it...
he could hav done it in other 'darker' ways...
is all the VULTURES hunting for his money...n evrybody knows that...
n i'm sure..EVRYBODY KNOWS...the media jz used him...evrybody used him 2 get something back for themselves...
n stop saying bout some CHILDHOOD CRISIS...CHILDHOOD CRISIS had made him a better person...not worse...
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Just because he's open about his child fetish doesn't mean he's not guilty. Often times guilty people will openly indulge themselves, in the idea that in being so open and honest about it, it will seem like less to worry about, as if he has nothing to hide.

Haven't you ever heard of the saying- "The best place to hide is right out in public"?

They do this just as much for popularity as they do to save their own asses and blur the fine lines of truth. Yes, the media is a powerful tool that has been used against him, but he knows how to work it himself, so its not like theres nothing to be said for Michael Jackson as a manipulator and liar.
 
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Does he have it in him though? I mean, look at him. In his own mind he thinks he bears a resembalance of some sort to Peter Pan. The guy has never had a normal childhood and has been in the limelight since he was about six. That would mess up anyones mind. He still believes that he is a child and as a result he makes friends with children, people whom he believes are his peers. He is a naive person and this isn't the first time that some money hungry vulture has taken advantage of it.
 
Thats all true, and noone will deny it. I myself went into a bit more detail in my earlier posts about it. But he is a grown man and has made adult decisions in his life. To claim he is completely consumed by whatever disorder he has is premature in the face of the prosecution and will not fly, like Peter Pan.

Again, yes, people take advantage of him, but he in turn takes advantage of it. He's a pity trip and has been for a long time. He wants people to feel sorry for him. He knows how to work the crowds, and he's got connections.

Whether any of that will hold up in court is anyone's guess.
 
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OK...

What's the difference between Michael Jackson & carrier bag...one is white, made of plastic and harmful to kids. The other is for shopping!

Michael's lawyer was with the night before the trial and asked "Michael, would you like me to hire a video for you tonight?"
"Oh yeah!" Michael gleefully retorted. "Shall I get Aladin?"
Jackson replies..."Better not. I'm in deep enough as it is!"
 
That reminds me to answer the joke I asked earlier.

It was - What do you call an empty bed at Neverland Ranch?

A:

A bed with less than three children in it.


Ok, that was a low blow, but I just don't care anymore. I'm jaded over this.
 
An old, old joke (Im sure the number would have to be changed now)

Did you hear McDonald's has a new hamburger named after Michael Jackson?
It's a 35 year old piece of meat between two 13 year old buns. 😀

*dies laughing*
😛 😀
 
I didn't make it up, jusy spreading the love LOL 😛 I thought it was damn funny 😛
 
Wether the guy is guilty or not...I can't say. I've never been to the ranch and probobly never will.
Despite all of this circus nonesense, when ever i hear Michael's music I am still in awe at the genius of his song writing his choice in beats and even the charisma Jackson displayed to market and sell millions upon millions of albums from Times Square in NYC to the little village in Africa where where my family takes root. Dispite the (forgive me) sh*t going on with him now he still is the most identifiable music icon in the world's history. With music one has too identify with the artist in order *feel* the music or even like the music and he has crossed all barriars doing that.
"Human nature" still brings a tear to my left eye.
"Thriller" still has me dancing in my boxers.
"Smooth Criminal" still adds a lil extra swagger to my walk.
I pray it ain't so.
GQguy
 
Icons, legends...they're still only human. Michael Jackson lost his way somewhere down the line. Only now, he's past the point of no return.
 
50/50 ha

Vladislaus Dracula said:
(However, just because this is a likelyhood doesn't detract from the other elements of the case. Its 50/50, the jury knows that or will come to know that. I honestly don't think, with Jackson's past, that he will be given the benefit of the doubt this time. Whatever happens will likely be on a tecnicality, or a last minute, desperate discision.).
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I take serious issue with your description of reasonable doubt in our justice system. The purpose of the system that we have is to take inordinate power away from judges and prosecutors and put it in the hands of our peers. the law says beyond a reasonable doubt and to a moral certainty. if you are implying that in a 50/50 situation in which the credability of all the accusers has been greatly impeeched that the jurry would convict, then the entire system needs to be re-written.

and that's not weasaling out sir, that's the same right that should be provided to you me or any other american citizen that sits before a judge in a criminal matter. please refreain from making class references. the old hang the rich thing has become just a lil old.

and once again with this ominous past, and the great big monster in the closet, with the chandler case there was more evidence to defend Jackson and i honestly believe that he just didn't want to hurt the kid, why because he is just that type of nonthreatening child like person. not to mention the fact that i know if i had tape recorded conversations of major key players involved in a suit against me discussing how they are going to screw me i would drag them through the public square by their teet, so there is a good chance that he might just be less sadistic than i am. so can we please stop making refferences to the 93 case in which he did not want to oblitherate a family, because that is exactly what he is going to do to this boy and his mother.

and oh by the way, thanks ness. I try
 
I agree, you must have misunderstood something. I'm not glorifying the way the system currently works, hardly. We have written law all the time, and its always trampled on. Just because Jackson is a high-profile case doesn't change the frailty of the justice system or its lack thereof.

A jury is called to be non-partial, but lets remember that the jury is/will consist of family people with family values, and who, would otherwise, find Michael Jackson as a freak. Now we know they are supposed to throw this kind of bias out the door, but we all know NO jury really does. They harbor a resentment for the case either way.

As for him weasaling out, I said that in the context that IF he was guilty. You have not seen me here, in this thread, actually accuse him of being guilty. I've used words here like "may" and "possibily". Despite the joking around I'm actually quite neutral on this matter.

I'm not making class references nor I am doing anything thats old. You act as if I'm on some witch hunt. I am not. So please, YOU refrain from your sayings to me in that regard.

If Jackson is innocent, he's innocent, if he's guilty (whether that has been before but not now, or in every case) and he is not punished then its a shame on the justice system. To be even more clear, I mean a moral justice wherein only God and Jackson himself and the victims know the truth and he gets away with a crime or vice versa.

Obviously, in human court, "justice" and "innocence" are something thats supposed to be proven by man or done by man to the best of their ability.

But lets just remember that even if Jackson is found guilty, that doesn't mean he really is, just as it would mean he is even if the court decides he is not, in it's lack of true foresight, conviction, and appraisal.

In the end, with cases like this, all courts really have is a guess and gut feeling. If we're going to complain about the way the system works we'll be complaining forever, because we are not God and we can't see all. If we could, then obviously we'd be able to render a true human justice with 100% certainty.

However, I'm content in believing that even if human justice fails Divine Justice/Intervention WILL NOT. Call it what you will, karma, etc. And thats whether a person is truely innocent or completely guilty. In the end, its this judgement that more important.

If Jackson really is innocent, then he's got nothing to worry about, as God is surely with him. If he's guilty and manages to pull the wool over the eyes of the human system, perhaps again, if indeed it ever happened before, he cannot fool God, and he'll get what he deserves later, even if he doesn't get it now.
 
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point well taken, but let's not forgett that the jurry participation rate on this case was one of the highest in history. from the standpoint of a legal realist i think that means that we are more likely to find twelve members of his fan club than people that would have their lives tampered with to call him a freak. I actually think that the fact that i believe 75% of the jurry is women will help Jackson because they are not as much a victim of the paradigms that realte some behaviors to sex

you will never, i repeat never see two guys go underwear shopping together, however from what i understand women do it all the time. I still believe that the rush to probability that has become evident in the public square just by how the aligations sound, sleeping in the same bed, warm milk, etc..
will fall on deaf ears when it comes to the jurrors. And i still forsea a shit storm awaiting the mother of this child and the family the likes of which have only been taught in law schools
 
The whole thing it tainted and unfortunate. I don't think anyone is above suspicion in this case. Every party involved has something to gain and everything to lose. Its almost like bluffing in a high stakes poker game. The question is, whose going to call who.
 
if you were facing a murder case vlad, who would you rather have, Johnny Cochran or Kevin Lomax.
 
I don't know if he is really a pedophyle or not, but the man is seriously disturbed and if not put in jail, then at least in a mental institution. For a man who claims to have had only one plastic surgery in his life(a nose job) he is been given too much credibility in my opinion, he is had like a f$&king million surgerys, if he can't even be honest about that then what can you expect him not to lie about? Not to get on anyones nerves here, but to me the guy is nothing but a liar whose money has gotten him off the hook one time too many
 
Yeah. Doctors who have worked on him before have mentioned how the bone structure of his face was weakened by all the previous (and numerous) jobs he had done on them. His face, quite literally, could collapse, as there has been too much cartlidge removed and theres nothing to offer bone support. Too much pressure could actually cause his face to implode, its that bad. So to say he's only had minor work done or has only had work done once before or even only several times is an all-out lie. It has nothing to do with this case however. I'm sure if it did, they'd use that against him too! LOL 😛

@ jj82277- Thats a hypothetical question, possibly even a trick question, which I will not answer for those reasons. I'm neither in his shoes (thank God) and have to think defensively, nor could I say I would care for either of those two to represent me.

I can offer a partial answer- I wouldn't have been in this mess to begin with. I don't have the mentality of Michael Jackson, who time and time again, has welcomed these types of troubles into his life, knowing very well what the reprocussions could be for even being in the presense of children and being the way he is with them.

Just the image alone of how that works would have been enough, in foresight, for me to be smart enough to not go there, be there, or do anything there. Michael Jackson is disturbed and has an extreme child fetish. I cannot assume to be him in this trial, even hypothetically, as I'm sure he and I are wired differently upstairs.
 
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