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Should any underage material be allowed on the Theater?

Can underage material be posted?

  • No, not at all, no way. This is an adult forum, PERIOD.

    Votes: 37 38.5%
  • Only if the characters are not 'lifelike' and are only cartoon characters.

    Votes: 59 61.5%

  • Total voters
    96
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Well an ethics code does not necessarily have to be thought police, it just sets up expectations.
Pre-emptive censorship, one might claim, but it has its pros.



So my thoughts are follow the law, keep up on the law, and disallow borderline material. Not fun, not very free-choice, but it will probably keep TT more secure.
That would be my idea too, but HDS is pointing out that even tickling itself is being considered "borderline".

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I guess we should first recognise levels of "threat".
Just how close or far a fetish is from that line, and plan accordingly.

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On one hand, we'd have to swallow pride, and allow ppl to tell us what we can fantasise upon.
Comics being a graphical portrayal of such fantasies.

On the other, we'd keep a lower profile, and fewer ppl would take notice and start nosing around.

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Then again, they have a point about taking contents away, until TTC is just an empty shell.

Mmm...

Hey guys, I blame you for this.
Vote nicer rulers next time!

😉
 
What about a section for questionable material, where the borderline stuff according to TT rules would go. It is still policing, but at least people would be aware that it could disappear at any time, the material would get exposure, and it would be easier for TT staff to remove (it's all in one place).
 
Quite true. I would, however, find that sad. We are a community, brought together through mutual interest.
To be completely true, ppl with different preferences tend to hate each other's hate with intense passion.
Upperbody guys dislike foot-fans. Vids lovers don't care for drawings. And so on.

Sites could live side by side. I happily visit foot sites, and nobody thinks the less of me when I post foot-tickling pics.
We're not keeping ppl out. We'd just create firedoors, as an emergency plan.
 
What about a section for questionable material, where the borderline stuff according to TT rules would go.
Would be like placing a nice sign before your house with written: I smoke pot as a part of my eye medication...

I suggested creating flags for contents, so MODS, not outsiders, could see and move them with one click.
Forum code cannot handle that yet.
 
True again. I cannot argue. I still find it sad that to each his own is so neglected, but who am I to preach? As one who enjoys most any media, I may be out of touch ...

Sites could coexist. The Anime Tickling Forum is a prime example of that, and has been for years. I just can't see the greater community fracturing into divisions like M/F, M/M, videos, drawings, and the like. Because I can't see it, I am a poor judge and proponent/opponent of it.

Although now that I think about it, the TickleTheater would probably become a video place if such were to happen. It is, after all, our roots ...
 
A point. Frankly I don't like the whole cencorship idea in the first place. I think HDS as a point about TT being shut down over copyright infringement before obscene material. (I use obscene as a legal term). Maybe just advocating group responsibilty is the key ... then again I'm talking about people.
 
True again. I cannot argue. I still find it sad that to each his own is so neglected, but who am I to preach?
To producers, artists and so on, large, mixed communities offer varied, richer resources than fractured smaller sites.
Sure, on a smaller site you find what you're looking for. No better place for anime, than ATF, for example.



A point. Frankly I don't like the whole cencorship idea in the first place. I think HDS as a point about TT being shut down over copyright infringement before obscene material. (I use obscene as a legal term). Maybe just advocating group responsibilty is the key ... then again I'm talking about people.
Eh... ppl sometimes get greedy.
You tell users to refrain from sharing copyrighted clips, and you always get somebody calling you a stick in the mud - as if posting downloaded vids were some kind of rebellious deed.

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Wow.

This thread is rather disturbing, as are the poll results.

I'll post here what I posted on the TMF in terms of this topic.

As I'm typing this, the poll results on the TickleTheater are, approximately (for 68 votes):

No: 41%
Yes: 59%

On the TMF, the same poll shows these results (50 votes):

No: 82%
Yes: 18%

Interesting. I wonder what it means. Now, I guess the fact that the TMF already has very strict zero-tolerance rules about minor content may partially explain the huge gap between the results. The people there have gone to great lengths to explain the perfectly reasonable reasons for these rules, and most people seem to have accepted them. Still, there does seem to be a much more relaxed attitude among the people here. Frankly, I don't find it very reassuring. I feel it's just too risky. Personally, I think that the TickleTheater should follow the TMF's example. I would hate to see either forum disappear because of the minors' issue, including minors in toons and drawings. But, as I said in my previous post, that's just my opinion.
 
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Well relaxed rules make for a relaxed attitude. Whatever is done, if anything, there will be a price for it.
 
and only other pedophiles will have anything positive to say about them (unless they look past the sickness and directly comment on the artist's skill, of which you're very talented

I move to challenge this. I find the little comics to be mildly amusing, albeit slightly creepy. I take no sexual pleasure in seeing them, so I can't say that makes me a pedophile.

To throw some more out there, I can confirm that yes, I am a fan of lolicon. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't. However, not the type of loli that is pornographic. Yeah, I've come across a lot that isn't. I'd rather not see children being raped even in cartoons, so I stay clear of that. I think the loli artwork has a certain cuteness about it that makes it pleasing to look at. It doesn't necessarily pump my nads, but even if it did, is that really your problem? I can't say I find the same enjoyment at looking at real children, so you can rest easy. Does this make me a cartoon pedophile? Hell, probably makes me a geek too. But I say again, is this really your problem?

I think you are being far too concerned with what other people think and feel. They aren't hurting you. You can think it's sick as you'd like, but you should still show some respect. Maybe if they start molesting children,then you can start pitching a bloody fit, but now is no reason to start calling people sick, or whatever. They like one thing, you like the other. We are all free to think and like what we want, assuming nobody gets hurt. I'm seeing no blood nor tears, so I think we should all just quietly go about our business and stop the provocation. Don't you agree?
 
I still think the prob is with users' age.
Some users are quite closer to minimum allowed age, and show some natural taste for younger individuals and fictional chars.
 
I still think the prob is with users' age.
Some users are quite closer to minimum allowed age, and show some natural taste for younger individuals and fictional chars.

Well, if you're eighteen (required age for entrance) and like say, sixteen year olds (which is perfectly fine and natural), you could still be branded as a pedophile. THUS VICTIM TO VIPER'S HATE!
 
Well, if you're eighteen (required age for entrance) and like say, sixteen year olds (which is perfectly fine and natural), you could still be branded as a pedophile. THUS VICTIM TO VIPER'S HATE!

Here here!!

I also have a forum which you can place tickling pictures on. Message me for the address. But please, follow the rules I have set.
 
Well, if you're eighteen (required age for entrance) and like say, sixteen year olds (which is perfectly fine and natural), you could still be branded as a pedophile. THUS VICTIM TO VIPER'S HATE!
Well... I'm 30 something, I tend to find 28+ women much sexier.
And much more open to... experimenting with new stuff.

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But point is, those Palcomix pics, were closer to 12 than they were to 18...

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You make an interesting point, and I know a guy for sure who'd back it up.
14-18 guys got the shaft - [well, think so. I'm such a fool with slang...]
 
True again. I cannot argue. I still find it sad that to each his own is so neglected, but who am I to preach? As one who enjoys most any media, I may be out of touch ...

Sites could coexist. The Anime Tickling Forum is a prime example of that, and has been for years. I just can't see the greater community fracturing into divisions like M/F, M/M, videos, drawings, and the like. Because I can't see it, I am a poor judge and proponent/opponent of it.

Although now that I think about it, the TickleTheater would probably become a video place if such were to happen. It is, after all, our roots ...

You're a good man, but part of the flaw in the way you think (which you've admitted several times now) is that in wanting the best for everyone, you're spreading your protection too thinly so that the security of this site is underminded by content at any turn. You are not covering the most would-be problematic issues with any fervor (more like indifference), since that energy is equally divided (and so you don't have the willpower to make it more than indifference).

I do not believe, in the long run, it is in this site's best interests to think this way. You need to focus on obvious problems rather than put everything here under a sort of protective umbrella. Some things are simply not worth protecting or allowing. Just because it will piss some people off is a very small price to pay for removing and not allowing some material but being safer for it. No more loli, for example? So what? How many people, active people, would actually create an emotional outburst?

We say we're doing what the users want, but what percentage of the active users actually like loli and things like that? If you were to guess based on post response, I'd say that number is less than 2% of the active members, and those members could be listed by name, with maybe, at the most, another 3% of silent lurkers who like it also and would be willing to come out of lurking status in order for a one-time defence of it.

Speaking completely in technical terms, is that 2% (and the additional 3% silent reserve) worth defending when the collateral damage that can be inflicted through their interest is higher than 2% and is a danger to the entire site?

I agree with Kalamos and others who are talking about compartmentalizing the site even further. If you put all loli related stuff in a forum its easier to manage and remove content without having to swim through it.

"But there isn't enough loli material to merit creating a forum just for it and people probably wouldn't post any there for fear of scrutiny..."

Bingo. And if there is not enough loli material to warrant that, then that means there are not enough people to offend by not allowing the material in the first place.

We should not work on the presumption that a silent majority (our lurkers) care about loli or even know what it is. Just because they don't care, doesn't mean we should decide that that indifference means they don't mind that its here because it suits the interests of the few willing to support it vocally, and so they're the ones who tip the scale in loli favor. It simply means they don't care. That is all. What happens then, is that the vocal minority are the ones who decide these things and it is they, and not the site at large, whom is being serviced and protected as their pet interest or fetish is being encompassed despite the fact its the content that would get us in trouble. It s like putting up a force field around your base AFTER the threat has entered.

How is that balance? Its actually pretty hypocritical in it's own way to claim we don't want to deny the entire site of something, when only a fringe minority would care about a particular aspect of it anyway. At least in this case.

I know it seems like I'm just bashing loli, but I'm just using it as the obvious example of cautious content that it is questionable enough to seriously consider banning.

There is simply not enough expressed support for it to warrant allow it just because its a pet interest or fetish for several known people.

This is a tickling site for adult material.

Looking back at everything I have done, I too am a part of the problem (I don't do loli though) and so as to expell any notion that I may be a hypocrite, I would be willing to cease sharing my work and have my forum deleted if it would help the situation.

I actually don't see it as a desperate measure at all. I keep talking about swallowing one's pride for what we do and what we like in order for the greater good. I can do that.
 
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I agree with Kalamos and others who are talking about compartmentalizing the site even further. If you put all loli related stuff in a forum its easier to manage and remove content without having to swim through it.
There is one big down point with that.
It is like putting a big "medical pot smoker" sign before your doorstep, if you get my meaning.
 
The Congress of the United States is prohibited from passing so-called ex post facto, or after the fact, laws as far as I am aware. Such a law could be passed but would not stand up to a court appeal (And one can always count on the ever-ready ACLU (Note some sarcasm) to appeal the heck out of it).

Funny thing about the ACLU and bondage...
 
We should not work on the presumption that a silent majority (our lurkers) care about loli or even know what it is. Just because they don't care, doesn't mean we should decide that that indifference means they don't mind that its here because it suits the interests of the few willing to support it vocally, and so they're the ones who tip the scale in loli favor. It simply means they don't care. That is all. What happens then, is that the vocal minority are the ones who decide these things and it is they, and not the site at large, whom is being serviced and protected as their pet interest or fetish is being encompassed despite the fact its the content that would get us in trouble. It s like putting up a force field around your base AFTER the threat has entered.

How is that balance? Its actually pretty hypocritical in it's own way to claim we don't want to deny the entire site of something, when only a fringe minority would care about a particular aspect of it anyway. At least in this case.

Seems to me though, a vocal minority is actually swinging this the otherway. Viper brought this subject up by his objection to it. Very few have responded one way or the other. So by being a squeaky wheel, he is possibly getting what he wants, when most of the members are ambivalent. Loli may be a fringe interest to tickling, but then what elements of tickling do we protect?
 
I am with Vladislaus on this one where he says, it is good to view this over again. It shows the thought processes of the people posting as they develop or stay the same.
 
we need to start allowing every kind of thing here

from like

tickling animals

to dead people

and even aliens

fucking uptight jerks not liking these kinds of things
 
There is one big down point with that.
It is like putting a big "medical pot smoker" sign before your doorstep, if you get my meaning.

If you don't mind suffering a little shame and embarassement, that sign would pay dividends later.
 
Seems to me though, a vocal minority is actually swinging this the otherway.

Viper brought this subject up by his objection to it. Very few have responded one way or the other. So by being a squeaky wheel, he is possibly getting what he wants, when most of the members are ambivalent. Loli may be a fringe interest to tickling, but then what elements of tickling do we protect?

Touche.

However, it is in the interest of making the forum safer on a number of levels, whereas the opposition is intended on merely keeping a small, fringe interest alive. TT is not reliant on that interest. This loli stuff, if people really like it, can be sought, delivered, uploaded, shared, and distributed elsewhere, like it already is. Why loli needs to be a part of TickleTheater when it will always be more trouble than its worth is the question of the evening.

Loli does not account for much. Removing it means removing one of the interests a few of our members expressedly have. Provided they are not here for that material, or only come in the hopes that they can get or request some (which I highly doubt), they can get it elsewhere.

but then what elements of tickling do we protect?

Only the content that keeps this site alive and functioning and the majority of the members happy and safer. The bulk of the material is anything other than fiction. We're talking primarily about the photos and videos. Its actually, much to my dismay, the art (as well as some stories) thats the big problem. Because its so interpretive and excusable from one opinion to another, you get into these grooves that you cannot get out of, like this one we're in now.

These things are less likely to happen with actual photography, since its so clear cut, and black and white. If the kid is underage or looks it, its very obvious. With art, specifically anime, you've got the big eyes, the cute faces, the chibi style, the loli this and that, and it makes them look like little kids. My avatar is an example of this.

We cannot afford to sacrifice any more security to our site just to keep some art styles trendy for some.
 
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Looking at pictures or drawings of children and becoming aroused by it is a form of pedophelia. Period.

You're splitting hairs if you say that thinking it and doing it are unrelated to each other. You're still sick, as far as I'm concerned.

Aside from some of the things you say, this discussion has proceeded in an astonishingly civil way. I'm guessing that's why it's still open.

I think this whole thing is a huge can of worms, in that it forces me to accept that my own strictly buxom adult fantasies are still pretty unhealthy, as pointed out by Ness and others. Legal or not, spending time drawing what I draw takes me out of normal human interaction for large periods of time. Mind you, I don't feel obligated to society to avoid this, but I honestly would rather for my own sake.
 
I agree with your necrophiliac ways.
Not you Betchass, but Oriyaborealis.
 
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