Should fake tickle model be paid?

[darksidekrys]

The background: I put out an ad for genuinely ticklish females, got a few responses, offered $50.00 compensation for 1 hour of work. Scheduled the model. She arrived, we talked for a little bit, then I showed her where she could change into her outfit. She came out, I restrained her in the chair and began tickling her feet. SHE HAD NO, ZERO, REACTION! I asked her "Are you ticklish, you said you were?" (Being ticklish myself, I know if you are ticklish you are ticklish all the time.) She responded, "Well I'm a little tired from a long day so not so much right now, but it feels good." I asked her " Well are you ticklish on your sides or maybe under your arms?" She says "No, more on my feet". I tried again on her feet and still nothing but a blank look. After about 10 minutes, I told her, "Sorry, I can't use you for this gig" and told her she could leave. She asked if she still got part of the $50 for showing up and I told her no.

The Question: Should I have paid her for showing up?

 

[RobAce]

I would have thrown the model something for at least showing up, trying and at least getting into the outfit and being tied up. I probably would have given her a 10 spot, or if nothing else told her you would give her less money for a foot video or photo set or something like that.

Not to mention, if you did give her a little something she might refer girlfriends of hers that needed money to you.

Just my opinion, again I'm not a producer so I don't really know what is typical in those types of situations.

Rob

 

[Perduabo]

Yes.

Even though its faked, so is professional wrestling and they get paid.

The model is still doing a job and taking orders from a superior. Faked or not, she/he is putting in work and should be compensated for it.

 

[darksidekrys]

Okay, I've only started trying to find models in the past couple of weeks. My store is only about a month old and has mostly me and a couple of friends, so I'm still learning the ropes. I just didn't think I should pay a fake, but now I know.

 

[RavenMoon]

If she failed to provide the service you hired her for, then I believe it is ethical to pay her less than the contracted amount.

The way I understand your statement, she failed to provide the service. She showed up and changed but then failed to react, or even fake reaction, which is what she was hired to mainly do. (This is soooo different from professional wrestling. They are preforming the service they were hired to do. The girl didn't even fake a response.)

 

[Perduabo]

Perhaps offer more money to genuinely ticklish models and leave the fakers with a smaller amount. This might help screen out what you are not looking for.

Just a thought though...

and Raven...give me a break huh 😀 It was the best analogy I could come up with on the fly lol

 

[RavenMoon]

Perhaps offer more money to genuinely ticklish models and leave the fakers with a smaller amount. This might help screen out what you are not looking for.

Just a thought though...

and Raven...give me a break huh 😀 It was the best analogy I could come up with on the fly lol

I didn't mean to raz ya! 😀 My Love and I have that convo alot, and the analogy brought it up... which may have explained why I was sharper than I intended! *humble apologies*

Even if she would have faked, it would have been better than the absence of reaction she gave.

And now, I have another thought in my mind, tickling wrestling... I watch a lot of kink.com stuff and they have a site, ultimate surrender. We need something like that! The Ultimate Tickle! 😀

 

[darksidekrys]

And now, I have another thought in my mind, tickling wrestling... I watch a lot of kink.com stuff and they have a site, ultimate surrender. We need something like that! The Ultimate Tickle! 😀

My girlfriend suggested tickle wresting but, she's 5'0 120 lbs and I'm 5'9 180lbs. I told her it wouldn't work. I would be afraid of breaking her! lol

 

[RChello]

I believe 'fake' tickle models should be paid....

with fake money 🙂 (brings out roll of monopoly bills)

 

[Leostar]

dont feel bad 99 % of all the girls in the videos i have seen are not ticklish, the reason is simple realy realy ticklish people cant handle it, you would have to pay them big money and even than it might not happen.

 

[vladtickleman22]

Gotta give her something. Like others said, maybe she'd send her friends to you. One of whom might actually be ticklish!

 

[darkhand]

My opinion is yes. I think that 1) you should make the full shoot contingent on an audition process and 2) if they get through your audition, it's your fault not theirs. They did, what the producer was paying them to do.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I would have thrown the model something for at least showing up, trying and at least getting into the outfit and being tied up. I probably would have given her a 10 spot, or if nothing else told her you would give her less money for a foot video or photo set or something like that.

Not to mention, if you did give her a little something she might refer girlfriends of hers that needed money to you.

Just my opinion, again I'm not a producer so I don't really know what is typical in those types of situations.

Rob

Would you pay somebody who claimed they were a tradesman but when they showed up to work on you house they didn't have a clue about what they were supposed to do? No you wouldn't. She lied and should get nothing.

 

[tmac]

No way would I pay a normal rate, especially since you are not going to be making anything off of it. If it hurts her feelings, so what, you're running a business. I don't blame you for not paying her anything. That's like paying someone to landscape your yard and they don't do anything but show up w/equipment.

I've got a small budget to spend on model expenses, and I don't intend on wasting that. But I would offer a small amount to the girl, depending on her attitude/personality to cover gas expenses, etc. If she was a bitch showing up, kick her out with nothing. If she's nice/sweet about it, then some compensation wouldn't hurt. Props to you for not asking her to fake it so you can sell a crap clip. Being a young company, you need to have a solid rep.

 

[xSamanthax]

I would have paid her something...for goodwill if nothing else. Referrals are a good thing. If I showed up and got tied up, I would expect to be paid *something* unless it was explicitly stated otherwise.

However, in the future, I'd do the audition thing mentioned above if you pay up front like that. No contract til they pass.

Or. You can do a profit sharing situation, where the model gets a % of the proceeds. If no video gets made...no money gets paid. Put a time limit on it so you aren't paying royalties forever.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Or. You can do a profit sharing situation, where the model gets a % of the proceeds. If no video gets made...no money gets paid. Put a time limit on it so you aren't paying royalties forever.

I sort of like that idea. However I think if you agree to a royalties deal she should get them until the clip isn't making money or is removed. If the producer is making money from it then the model should get her cut as well.

 

[chrisheaven]

I would pay her the full amount.
You'll find genuinely ticklish people soon

 

[P[a]pi]

I would have given her 10 bucks. It doesn't sound like she was trying to trick you. She didn't even try to fake it. Most people don't know how ticklish they are or where they are most ticklish. Also, nervousness can make a ticklish person become a rock.

 

[Adam]

I'm torn on this one. Frankly, I wouldn't have wanted to pay her either as it sounds like there was a fair amount of deception going on there. Maybe $10 for gas, but that would be absolutely it. But like someone else eluded to, I'd make payment contingent on a successful audition and be sure to mention that in your ads.

 

[lemoncake]

I think it really depends on if she had signed a contract or not, and what was worded in that contract. how did you confirm if she was ticklish? I always wonder how producers do this, it seems very easy for someone to say, "yeah sure I'm ticklish" when cash is involved and they need it. Keep looking for models, you will find someone ticklish soon I bet.

 

[Rupert]

i think it would mainly be a good will thing

she showed up, changed, and allowed bondage
therefore she did 1/4 of what you wanted

so id give her 10 -15 as a show of good will and while doing so put out the offer that if she knew anyone who was ticklish to send them your way (maybe even giving her a cut for recruiting)

ive done it before with other jobs, the more people you have looking for beautiful ticklish woman (while in their mind they know money will also come to them) will greatly increase the amount of models you find

 

[wishfoot88]

no, i think not.
you paid her to be tickled and give a reaction.
she only upheld one half of the deal, so no.
i would not have.

 

[milagros317]

For showing up, getting into costume (even if that means just getting barefoot), and getting tied up, I think you should have given her $15 or 20, in spite of not being able to use what you filmed. She may have presumed she was more ticklish than she showed, some people have to be in the mood.

 

[The Last Laugh]

I agree that if a model turns out not to be ticklish enough, she should receive a small amount for her trouble, as it's not necessarily her fault. Maybe the special circumstances of the shoot resulted in a psychological tickling block for some reason. Maybe she underestimated how ticklish she needed to be for a commercial tickling video (vanilla people may have a different definition of what' "very ticklish" is). Or maybe she just happened not to be very ticklish that day. In any case, somewhere between $10 and $20 is fair enough. At the very least, it might make you feel less bad about telling candidates that aren't ticklish enough but otherwise very enthusiastic that a shoot isn't possible.

However, if you find out that a model is actively faking, there's no reason why she should get anything. At least, assuming you're very clear about that issue right from the start. Make sure you tell the candidates that the tickling must be genuine, that it's crucial in this market and that faking may very well be noticed by customers and other people, which is very bad for business. There's no excuse for a model doing something on purpose that will damage your reputation as a producer. If she still tries to fake, then she's being deceitful, and she doesn't deserve a single penny. That's the way I see it, anyway.

 

[Kinky Couple]

Tough call, a pre interview should be done with those questions asked first I guess. Her time is worth something but you shouldn't get hit with the full 50 i don't think.