Tasha no-showed for a session

[FeatherEndeavor]

Is this Tasha from Tickle Abuse?

Yep, the same one.

 

[chicago]

While the sentiment is right, the way you talk about your models just makes you sound like the worst kind of person.

My thoughts too

 

[Rage]

"While the sentiment is right, the way you talk about your models just makes you sound like the worst kind of person"
LOL. Right!?

 

[IndeJenDence]

My thoughts too

"While the sentiment is right, the way you talk about your models just makes you sound like the worst kind of person"
LOL. Right!?

What exactly did he say that was so bad?

Edit: Went back and actually read the whole thing. Never mind, I stand corrected. Carry on.

 

[TicklingTips]

While the sentiment is right, the way you talk about your models just makes you sound like the worst kind of person.

Nah, I can see where he's coming from. Models in general can be pretty unreliable, not just in tickling but in everything. I've seen models cancel after the time they are supposed to arrive, or cancel just because they got a higher pay offer on the day, or just because they fell asleep. His time is valuable. I can understand why he would have those policies, and certainly not pay models in full for services that they didn't turn up on time to provide in full.

 

[WillingLeigh]

Nah, I can see where he's coming from. Models in general can be pretty unreliable, not just in tickling but in everything. I've seen models cancel after the time they are supposed to arrive, or cancel just because they got a higher pay offer on the day, or just because they fell asleep. His time is valuable. I can understand why he would have those policies, and certainly not pay models in full for services that they didn't turn up on time to provide in full.

Did you actually read what I put in bold? That's the part I take offense to - Not the sentiment, but acting like he has a harem of "girls" he can just order around.

 

[chicago]

Did you actually read what I put in bold? That's the part I take offense to - Not the sentiment, but acting like he has a harem of "girls" he can just order around.

"My girls"

"Girls" being a term applied to grown women to further a societal condescension towards females, preceded by "my" to imply ownership, property, and dehumanization.

 

[foot fun]

I was under the impression that this thread was about a professional conducting business unprofessionally.

 

[WillingLeigh]

I was under the impression that this thread was about a professional conducting business unprofessionally.

Not sure how you're missing it but that's exactly what we're doing. Tickle Room is a professional who is talking in a derogatory manner towards the models he works with.

Are we talking about the original post? No. But in terms of the "theme" you pointed out, we're right on the money.

 

[magic fingers]

While the sentiment is right, the way you talk about your models just makes you sound like the worst kind of person.

While what he said could be considered offensive, IMHO your reply was worse. Calling him "the worst kind of person" is a huge exaggeration. The world is full of horrible evil people, so I doubt he is the worst. Just saying being offended is a two way street.

 

[chicago]

While what he said could be considered offensive, IMHO your reply was worse. Calling him "the worst kind of person" is a huge exaggeration. The world is full of horrible evil people, so I doubt he is the worst. Just saying being offended is a two way street.

The way I read it was that she said his words made him sound like one, versus calling him one, which I feel like is a big difference.

 

[magic fingers]

"My girls"

"Girls" being a term applied to grown women to further a societal condescension towards females, preceded by "my" to imply ownership, property, and dehumanization.

While I agree w/you regarding the term "girls", I don't think the word "my" in this context is at all offensive, if they work for him. For example, I work in sales, and I have a manager. If he's speaking w/a client, and he needs me to generate business for that client, he'll say "I'll get MY sales rep to call some of your prospects". He's not implying ownership, but during business hours he is my superior.

 

[chicago]

While I agree w/you regarding the term "girls", I don't think the word "my" in this context is at all offensive, if they work for him. For example, I work in sales, and I have a manager. If he's speaking w/a client, and he needs me to generate business for that client, he'll say "I'll get MY sales rep to call some of your prospects". He's not implying ownership, but during business hours he is my superior.

If you separate out the words and apply them to a different situation, sure. Within the context here, I disagree.

 

[magic fingers]

If you separate out the words and apply them to a different situation, sure. Within the context here, I disagree.

Fair enough

 

[TheTickleMonster]

I personally think someone... is being overly sensitive. No offense... and I'm not talking about the original poster... But that's all I'm going to say about that because it really doesn't matter.

 

[chicago]

I personally think someone... is being overly sensitive. No offense... and I'm not talking about the original poster... But that's all I'm going to say about that because it really doesn't matter.

Not an unexpected response.

Apologies for the hijacking and I'll try to crowbar this back to the OP's situation.

If I was in his shoes, I'd be pretty pissed, not gonna lie. The excuse sounds like BS, no apology, previous cancellation, plus money spent on room, fuck that shit.

Sorry to hear that happened, hope you have some better sessions in the future with others tho.

 

[turtleboy]

I often refer to 'my models' and also 'my customers' - it doesn't imply ownership of either in any way, it's just an informal way of characterising people that you work or do business with. I can see why people don't like the term 'girls', but how offended you are by that depends on your frame of reference, specifically whether you are assuming that it's meant to be a derogatory or offensive way of describing females - there's no reason to think it is.

If a female producer/photographer/agent/manager or similar was refer to a group of their regular or contracted models as 'my girls' or 'my ladies' would it be seen as offensive then? I come across that all the time and never think anything of it. It's just an informal term. It doesn't have to be meant in a sexist or mysogynistic way.

 

[indivision]

Shot in the dark, but is Tasha a member of this forum by any chance?

Don't get me wrong, I think it sucks that she cancelled the way she did, and I think she should make it up to the OP in a fair way (like compensating him for his room), but ever since this thread got started, I have been hoping she'd drop by to give her side of the story.

 

[oldgeezer]

Shot in the dark, but is Tasha a member of this forum by any chance?

Don't get me wrong, I think it sucks that she cancelled the way she did, and I think she should make it up to the OP in a fair way (like compensating him for his room), but ever since this thread got started, I have been hoping she'd drop by to give her side of the story.

Tasha's made 1 post Jan. Before that maybe once or twice since 2014.
My guess is if she didn't make time for the session she she scheduled and was going to get paid for,
she's probably not taking time to check up on the TMF comments.

 

[chicago]

I often refer to 'my models' and also 'my customers' - it doesn't imply ownership of either in any way, it's just an informal way of characterising people that you work or do business with. I can see why people don't like the term 'girls', but how offended you are by that depends on your frame of reference, specifically whether you are assuming that it's meant to be a derogatory or offensive way of describing females - there's no reason to think it is.

If a female producer/photographer/agent/manager or similar was refer to a group of their regular or contracted models as 'my girls' or 'my ladies' would it be seen as offensive then? I come across that all the time and never think anything of it. It's just an informal term. It doesn't have to be meant in a sexist or mysogynistic way.

I think something can be offensive regardless of intent. In fact I think a lot of offensive things are said because the person saying them is ignorant to how many ways their words can be taken. That said, it's not something most in the industry need to worry about as I've yet to see much if anything kink related marketed towards females tbh.

 

[ElFewja]

I have this real, awful habit of typing out long and thorough responses, then just deleting them and closing the tab, which I just did.

Essentially, I think about language a lot and got really, really, really wordy, talking about things like deconstruction and definitions and all of that. The gyst of where I was going was that the word 'my' conveys either ownership or an association. It's very difficult to separate these two opposing words. I wouldn't really read into that particular word.

Girls is a bigger issue because there are more appropriate alternatives (women, models, employees). I don't think the use of 'my girls' conveys the idea of sexism in this context. I do think the op probably considers those four words interchangeable, and they may very well be in this particular context. The real question is whether or not calling attention to this descriptor or subset by utilizing it is important or relevant.

Anyway, I think the root of this is how some people use the statement 'my girls' as opposed to how all people use it.

 

[turtleboy]

I think something can be offensive regardless of intent. In fact I think a lot of offensive things are said because the person saying them is ignorant to how many ways their words can be taken. That said, it's not something most in the industry need to worry about as I've yet to see much if anything kink related marketed towards females tbh.

Whether or not someone takes offense at something is completely subjective - people can be (and are) offended by almost anything if they choose to be or happen to feel that way. Whether or not they are offended depends a lot on their general outlook, which varies greatly from person to person and throughout a person's life (i.e. you may find things offensive as you get older that wouldn't bother you now) Their isn't a gold standard by which everyone is judged equally.

What's more important is the intention - whether something is said to cause offense or whether the intended meaning is likely to offend, but unless you know the person's intentions then it's kind of irrelevant. Someone spraying a racist of homophobic comment on a wall is clearly intended to cause offense, but a comment like the one above is ambiguous.

As for kink-related material aimed at females, I agree that there's very little out there. The flip-side of that is that in my experience, females account for an incredibly tiny percentage of paying customers...probably close to 1% or less. I base this on actual sales details rather than a general idea. As far as my sales are concerned, female customers are so rare that a female name turning up on a sales receipt will nearly always come back as a chargeback or refund - in other words, it's an indicator of a fake sale, since the people that type of fraud use male and female credit card details indiscriminately. I'll be the first to admit that my content isn't tailored to female fans as such, but at the same time I have never had a custom request from a female customer - not one. The genuine female fans that have messaged me on here or by email etc over the years are few and far between, and I couldn't say for sure whether any of them had ever bought anything from me. Paying for porn in general is something that men do in far greater numbers than women. I think there are many reasons for this, relating to more general differences between men and women, but it boils down to the fact that men are many times more likely to use their credit cards to watch porn (of any kind).

To give one example, think how many females out there are sending tributes to models (male or female models), watching them on webcam or ordering customs, buying used clothing etc. I know models who's entire lifestyle is funded by guys doing just this - often paying them for little nothing at all. I could be wrong but I just don't think many females would be inclined to do the same thing. Sorry to go off on a bit of a tangent but I think it's an interesting point!

 

[ChicagoDavid]

Not an unexpected response.

Apologies for the hijacking and I'll try to crowbar this back to the OP's situation.

If I was in his shoes, I'd be pretty pissed, not gonna lie. The excuse sounds like BS, no apology, previous cancellation, plus money spent on room, fuck that shit.

Sorry to hear that happened, hope you have some better sessions in the future with others tho.

Chicago, you can hijack my threads any time 🙂

 

[chicago]

Chicago, you can hijack my threads any time 🙂

Thanks, David xD

Turtle, I've addressed the issue of intent. It's also interesting that the ones defending his use of "my girls" are men and the one who said it has yet to return to clarify.

As far as females and porn go, there is definitely an untapped market there. It's a myth to think women don't watch or buy. It's likely they don't buy for the reasons I've stated.

 

[turtleboy]

Turtle, I've addressed the issue of intent. It's also interesting that the ones defending his use of "my girls" are men and the one who said it has yet to return to clarify.

I don't think you did address the issue of intent really. You made the point that people can still be offended but as I said, people can be offended regardless. If offense isn't intended and someone is still offended, that doesn't automatically make it wrong. An elderly person may be offended by the sight of a gay couple holding hands or kissing in public. That doesn't mean it is an offensive act.

As for men defending his use of the term, I don't actually see it as a male vs female issue. I would argue the same point if the situation was reversed (i.e. 'my boys'). I just think people are too quick to read offensiveness into every little thing, and to politicise comments which may have no other context.

As far as females and porn go, there is definitely an untapped market there. It's a myth to think women don't watch or buy. It's likely they don't buy for the reasons I've stated.

If there were an untapped market of (paying) female customers then that would only be a good thing for producers since it would open up many more potential sales - I just don't see any evidence that there is. I don't deny that plenty of women watch and enjoy porn, but I don't see them paying for it in anything like the same numbers that men do. Commercial porn exists in it's many forms due to market forces. If people like something and are willing to pay for it then sooner or later it will get made. An enthusiast will produce the content they want to see and the audience will start to buy it, making it a viable business. Arguably, there are less gay men (and probably less gay tickling fans) than there are women, and yet gay men account for the majority of the M/M tickling audience - hence there are several gay tickling sites and stores. It succeeds even though the majority of straight men probably have no interest in it. However, I don't know of any M/M, F/M, M/F, or F/F sites that are run by female producers specifically for a female market.

The direction of porn is dictated by economics and viewing stats, not by some chauvinistic strangle-hold that the men have over the industry. There is literally nothing to stop any female (such as yourself or others on this forum) from producing their own videos, targeted at female tickling fans. You have access to all the same resources that a male producer has on starting out.