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The ORAL SEX thread that all women will hate me for!

You know, I've had numerable conversations with various groups of friends and I can't think of a single female I know who dislikes giving oral sex. As a matter of fact I know quite a few who like it as much as I do, and will talk about it as if it's something really hot. (I am not talking about just one or two close friends here, but large groups of both friends & aquaintances.) The only complaint I've ever heard from a female about going down on a guy was about him not reciprocating. Now, that is a complaint I have heard more than once or twice from different aquaintances.

Also, the idea that women with healthy sexual appetites are all crazy is just not true. I'll admit there are some crazy women out there in the world, but there are some crazy men out there too. People in general are not always firing on all cylinders, whether they happen to enjoy sex or not.
 
Raichyll said:
... People in general are not always firing on all cylinders, whether they happen to enjoy sex or not.
Excellent point! Absolutely, positively, 100% true! Common sense like yours is too rare to waste, Raichyll. Run for public office, will ya?!
 
The 1st time I ever did it to a woman (snicker!) the woman was tickling me and wouldn't stop until I promised to pleasure her that way (ooooh!). So I had to! (or 'had' to, whichever is less troubling for you). That was my 1st time to do it (I feel so dirty!). Turned out - I liked it.

Too much information?
 
Not at all, OJ... in fact...

Oddjob0226 said:
The 1st time I ever did it to a woman (snicker!) the woman was tickling me and wouldn't stop until I promised to pleasure her that way (ooooh!). So I had to! (or 'had' to, whichever is less troubling for you). That was my 1st time to do it (I feel so dirty!). Turned out - I liked it.

Too much information?

...Next time, you should tickle her while you're at it. I promise you won't be disappointed... :devil:
 
tieler said:

Big Jim, I can't believe you forgot so quickly. You remember my recent post where I refuted your claim that the planes were in the air for FOUR HOURS before they hit the twin towers. Sorry if I find the theories of someone who can make such a claim to be a little less than believable, but you know, I like to go by crazy little things known as facts.

No biggie. All I ask is that you read the in-depth thread I'll post evetually as Part 3. In that thread I will have "to the minute" details including facts like what time exactly and from where each plane took off and crashed. It won't be full of throwaway comments. It'll be full of facts. You should get at least three orgasms from it, it'll be that full of them.
Apart from that one comment, anything else? Can you actually find any inanity in the in-depth information I researched and posted, or do you base the word "inane" on the description of "I can't refute it, but it sounds weird to me, so it must be inane"?


tieler said:
Anyway this is my last post on this topic, I will now leave the discussion on oral sex to the virgins.

If I was a virgin that might annoy me, but I'm not, so it doesn't. That comment I made before you started to take the piss, intimated that although I wasn't a virgin, I wasn't some one-night-stand stud who shagged three different women a week either. But then attention to detail was never one of your strong points was it? 😀

Oh and yes you're right (there's a first time for everything), some women LOVE doing it, not so much for the experience, but for the effect it has on their guy. For the same reason some women love quickies too. A girl often takes anywhere between 15 minutes and an hour to reach climax, but gets a pleasure out of ravishing a guy so bad, he finishes in 30 seconds. Not physically satisfying for her exactly, but it gives her ego a boost to see how devastating an effect she has on him.

Note: Some women DO get a physical thrill from the act of oral sex, true. It only in MY experience where the pleasure they've goten has been from the effect it has on the guy.
 
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BigJim said:
Oh and yes you're right (there's a first time for everything), some women LOVE doing it. Not so much for the experience, but for the effect it has on their guy. For the same reason some women love quickies too. A girl often takes anywhere between 15 minutes and an hour to reach climax, but gets a pleasure out of ravishing a guy so bad, he finishes in 30 seconds. Not physically satisfying for her exactly, but it gives her ego a boost to see how devastating an effect she has on him.

Note: Some women DO get a physical thrill from the act of oral sex, true. It only in MY experience where the pleasure they've goten has been from the effect it has on the guy.
Okay, how is a woman getting physically excited by sucking a guy's dick different from you getting turned on by tickling a girl? Why is it somehow 'different' or the 'exception to the rule'? You make it sound like being turned on by the effect one has on one's partner is somehow wrong. It strikes me as a double standard, because when a guy ties me up and tickles me, it isn't only his physical body that gets a hard-on is it? No, he's getting off on the power he's weilding over me just as I do when it's my turn to tie him up. But, I don't automatically assume, 'well he must not really like it, he just likes his ego being stroked.'

To be honest of all the posts I've read on this thread this one bothered me the most. This is probably because I don't see any difference between going down on a guy, or tying him up and tickling him beyond sanity's inferior grasp. To me both scenarios are hot -- incredibly arousing mentally, emotionally and physically.

Now, maybe I'm not being fair and you didn't mean to somehow imply that men like oral sex (or quickies) because they like it, and women like it solely because of their egos. As a matter of fact, I really hope you weren't trying to say that at all.
 
To be honest of all the posts I've read on this thread this one bothered me the most. This is probably because I don't see any difference between going down on a guy, or tying him up and tickling him beyond sanity's inferior grasp.

"Sanity's inferior grasp." LOL! Ms. Raichyll, I love the way you write.

Jim's post left me a bit miffed too. Ya mean I can't like cocksucking just because my mouth is an erogenous zone? (Much like that spot just center and beneath the ball of my foot. But I digress.) Gee whiz! *kicking can, hands shoved in pockets* S'not fair! Boys get all the fun! :cry1: 😛
 
Selfish Not Too

If she doesn't go down on me, I won't go down on her. If I don't lick it I don't dick it. Basicaly if sex is going to happen then oral is a big part of the Forplay. I may sound like a jerk for this but if I don't get oral then we are simply not sexualy combadable. If I do go down on her and then fined out she won't do so for me, she is out the door.

PS
Being a Virgin doesn't mean that you have not had Oral sex.
 
I've noticed a trend with this thread. People assuming any group, of any kind, is all going to have the same preferences regarding something is going to be incorrect. Something to remember, each person is different, whether they are male, female, dark, light, or green with purple polka dots. Each has a different mind and different opinions which include likes and dislikes.

I'm with evilqueen and Raichyll here. Saying what women can get excited over and comparing it to what guys get excited over....not a good idea. As I stated above, each gets excited different ways, doing different things. Some may have similar likes and dislikes, but assumptions are never a good idea. Especially one made about women by none other than a GUY!:sowrong:

Pawz
 
Re: Selfish Not Too

Originally posted by SlaverTickler (most deleted)
PS
Being a Virgin doesn't mean that you have not had Oral sex.

Aha, I detect the influence of Bill Clinton.😀

While oral sex is not copulation, it is a form of sexual contact, in my opinion.

Put another way, I know people who have been divorced because their wife didn't like finding out that they had what you don't call sex with another woman.
 
[B]YYYYYYYYYEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS![/B]

People assuming any group, of any kind, is all going to have the same preferences regarding something is going to be incorrect... Saying what women can get excited over and comparing it to what guys get excited over....not a good idea. As I stated above, each gets excited different ways, doing different things. Some may have similar likes and dislikes, but assumptions are never a good idea. Especially one made about women by none other than a GUY! - 4Pawz

FINALLY!

Finally I have a result that I am looking for.

Ladies and gentlemen, you have all been unwitting subjects in an experiment of mine. While the experiment has not been a COMPLETE success, it has indeed been successful.

It is a hypothesis of mine that most of the social maladies and vitriolic hatred for various groups of people is due to a culprit that few people consider: obsolete standards.

Certain standards have been erected, based upon Judeo-Christian values, to govern the way people behave in a society. Many of these standards fulfill no actual civic purpose; they exist to condition the populace into living predictable lives with a narrow spectrum of variety. This is not a vast conspiracy by governemnt or religion...it's just a network of borders set up by unimaginative minds who didn't have the resources to examine complex human traits thoroughly.

Lately, we've been getting better. But there are a lot of things we still have yet to figure out like RACE, GENDER and countless others. I think one reason progress yields few beneficial results is because there are certain things that people don't talk about because it is too sensitive.

Too sensitive, I think, because they are now too vital to legislation, cultural foundations and commercial interests. I think people are keenly aware of the fear that if these things are attacked or questioned, then a flaw will be revealed...and if the flaws are systemic or severe enough...than the whole system falls apart.

Take women and oral sex. Who here actually thought I was HONEST in my belief that women didn't like to give oral sex? OF COURSE THERE ARE WOMEN WHO DO! A LOT MORE THAN WE'D CARE TO ADMIT! And THAT is the point! NO. ONE. WOULD. ADMIT. IT.

Both sexes are held up to them and scrutinized over how they fall into cateogries. Women and men have had the same concepts about each other for so fucking long that the jokes and biases are known by virtually every stand-up comedian/sex therapist/men's magazine in the world! These standards of conduct and restraint are so old that people actually make a business out of it!

These standards, mostly Judeo-Christian, have said many things about how women are supposed to be valued that women actually condition themselves to respond to it! These values say that WOMEN OF QUALITY do not indulge in certain sexual acts, or else they are *****S or SLUTS or LESSER WOMEN. Women tear each other apart, and even kill themselves over "reputation" and how it compares to the standard of how women should act sexually.

What I pushed for in this thread is to get the two sides to start duking it out. Do you think the standards are right? That they aren't? That oral sex is not exciting? That it is? And above all...ARE YOU SURE ABOUT YOUR OPINION? As long as these contradicting sides sit in opposite corners and stew about it, we're never going to find out...so I decided to stir up a little conversation.

Some women don;t like giving oral sex. Some do. Some do but THINK they don't because they believe they shouldn't. I say let's find out by letting them bring it all out here. That way we might be able to create a chain reaction in the real world...and then people might be able to determine what it is they REALLY feel instead of what some standard says.

But Pawz has discovered already that most of the responses are indeed opinions, but they are not very thorough opinions...they assume more than they examine. And because her post will probably bring down interest in this thread, I figured I may as well spill the beans and let everyone know what I was up to.

Tell me...what do you think?

I would also like to add the fact that all of the information about the nutritional content of sperm is, to the best of my knowledge, accurate. The intention was to provide you with information that could provide a horizon-expanding revelation.
 
Gee thanks. "You've all been unwitting fools this entire time, taking me seriously." Well, I won't again. :sowrong:
 
Well..... I still like givin' it.

Hey - the woman I did "this" with was Korean. Is there a Budo-Taoist perspective on all of this????
 
Mad at you? Nah. Look, people just don't like to be told after the fact that they're part of an "experiment." As for all that stuff about Judeo-Christian iconoclastic deconstructivism, and whether sexually active women are considered women of quality, uh...I just like to talk about blowjobs. Blowjobs blowjobs blowjobs. *looks for blowjob smilie, finds none, sighs*

BTW Oddjob, you might have a Confucian angle, depending on how confused you were down there. Me, I'm more your Gnostic type because I like a good Gnosh. And some believers hold that one of the major leaders in the early Gnostic movement was Mary Magdalene, which brings us back to....blowjobs!
 
Raichyll said:
Okay, how is a woman getting physically excited by sucking a guy's dick different from you getting turned on by tickling a girl? Why is it somehow 'different' or the 'exception to the rule'? You make it sound like being turned on by the effect one has on one's partner is somehow wrong. It strikes me as a double standard, because when a guy ties me up and tickles me, it isn't only his physical body that gets a hard-on is it?

To be honest of all the posts I've read on this thread this one bothered me the most. This is probably because I don't see any difference between going down on a guy, or tying him up and tickling him beyond sanity's inferior grasp. To me both scenarios are hot -- incredibly arousing mentally, emotionally and physically.

Now, maybe I'm not being fair and you didn't mean to somehow imply that men like oral sex (or quickies) because they like it, and women like it solely because of their egos. As a matter of fact, I really hope you weren't trying to say that at all.

The last paragraph nearly has it Raichyll. The only word missing is all. Maybe I should have put the words "in my experience" in bold, because then it might not have offended you. For a 25 year-old guy, I've probably had fewer sexual partners than average. (3 if anyone wants to know.) All three of them were very happy to engage in giving me oral sex, but I never got the impression from them that they particularly got aroused in the same way as they would if I were giving it to them. It's not that it didn't arouse, just that it aroused them in a different way. Now I found your thoughts on how arousing it was to be quite interesting, because they come from something outside of my experience. In just the same way, my thoughts came from things that are outside of yours. Take a hundred women and there will be all sorts of opinions on this subject. Some will be totally like you in finding giving fellatio to be physically arousing, others will be like the girlfriends I've had who found it psychologically arousing. You may not see the difference between giving oral sex and topping on a guy for tickle-fun, but plenty of other women would.

I didn't mean to tar anyone with a broad brush or cause offence Raichyll, I was just stating what I'd seen in my own experiences.
 
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evilqueen said:
Jim's post left me a bit miffed too. Ya mean I can't like cocksucking just because my mouth is an erogenous zone? (Much like that spot just center and beneath the ball of my foot. But I digress.) Gee whiz! *kicking can, hands shoved in pockets* S'not fair! Boys get all the fun! :cry1: 😛

I'd say the same to you as I just did to Raichyll, EQ.🙂 No offence intended or desired. I was just calling it from the three women who've been my sexual partners. None of them seemed to be physically as much as psychologically aroused, from giving me "one round the wall of death". Just because two of the ladies here present disagree with them, doesn't mean I'm talking about women in general. If I gave that impression, I most humbly apologise. (But I draw the line at bottoming for you.😛)
 
4Pawz said:
I've noticed a trend with this thread. People assuming any group, of any kind, is all going to have the same preferences regarding something is going to be incorrect.

I didn't do that, so I'm hoping you're not including me there Pawz?



4Pawz said:
I'm with evilqueen and Raichyll here. Saying what women can get excited over and comparing it to what guys get excited over....not a good idea. As I stated above, each gets excited different ways, doing different things. Some may have similar likes and dislikes, but assumptions are never a good idea. Especially one made about women by none other than a GUY!:sowrong:

Pawz
My whole point was that guys and girls get excited over different things. I suppose also, another word I should italiscised is some. I also wasn't making assumptions but going on what I've observed from the ladies I've been with. I'm positive the whole female population would have some evastly differing opinions to the ladies I've been with; I'd be surprised if it was otherwise.
 
I said trend jim, not all, some just gave their personal preferences. I wasn't addressing any specific person, just making an observation, and rather disgusted by so many deciding they knew what people think.

Pawz
 
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4Pawz said:
I said trend jim, not all, some just gave their personal preferences. I wasn't addressing any specific person, just making an observation, and rather disgusted by so many deciding they knew what people think.

Pawz

Okay Pawz, I'm glad it wasn't just me that annoyed you. 🙂

As to what I said earlier, I've only been sexually active since just before my 25th birthday, so maybe my impressions gathered as they were over a grand old period of 4 or 5 months; were erroneous? Perhaps things will seem different when I've been active as long as anyone else? Hopefully, it'll be fun finding out.
 
Just keep in mind, and this was my main point stated earlier. Each person is different, and will have different likes, dislikes, and do each thing differently. No two people are the same. And yes, as with anything, with experience comes knowledge. Sometimes you will find the most intelligent and wisest people know so much because of their experiences and mistakes they may have made, or seen others make.

I'm not going to go out on another rant here. Just trying to bring some perspective here. When I hear words like 'only' and 'always' and phrases like 'I will only' my interest is lost, it is so rare in life that anything is an 'always' I have a personal dislike of assumptions.

Pawz
 
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The Straight Story

Upon reflection of what exactly transpired here, I am more than obligated to provide an explanation for what happened. Granted, by now most people are ignoring what's happened here because of it, and my apology will fall on a few infuriated and deaf ears, but I cannot in good conscience let this go unattended.

This thread initially started out as a lark. I found the sperm nutrition info while poking around the web and thought it would make a thread that would be insightful and equally amusing. I also wondered how many women would react to such a "suggestion", even if made humorously.

But after the first page and a half of posts, I noticed that a lot of the posts had a confrontational edge...NOT an arguing edge, but just ones where strong opinions kind of grated in a defensive style.

When I saw this, I became frustrated because I was afraid fo the thread falling into the same vein as the religious threads, where people argued so much that nobody analyzed any points people were making. I feared that the defensiveness would interefere with perspectives, which to me, were very interesting because they provided insight into the way people think, which is something I'm not very good at.

Then I went too far; and I should've seen it coming, but my curiosity got the best of me. I wanted to test the foundation of people's opinions, i.e. "Why do you think they way you think?" I tend to think that people are the sum of their experiences and their opinions can be created/forged/manipulated by influential sources: parents who try to imprint their opinions/morals/philosophies onto their children, etc. etc. Also, what tieler said, that an opinion can be formed by a negative association caused by bad experience. I thought he might be right about that.

So I pushed the thread to find out if people would reveal the source of their influence; to see if I could figure out WHERE these opinions came from. I was so certain that everybody would clam up and not contribute if they knew I was gathering information to enhance my atrophied personality, so LIKE AN IDIOT I posted a tongue-in-cheek thread that stated how I was testing people to see how they thought.

That made me come off as an asshole who got off on provoking innocent people for fun. THAT IS NOT ME! I had a legitimate interest in what people had to say, but I became paranoid that things would go wrong, and in order to compensate, I pushed things in the WRONG direction, and I certainly pushed it without making my intentions clear.

I wanted to see what people thought and WHY they thought what they thought, and then I wanted to see if that was the absolute foundation of the opinions. Arguments about things like oral sex happen in the real world over illogical reasons and I was convinced this was due to stereotypes perpetuated by ancient credos that might not work anymore. I thought people wouldn't help if they knew that was what I was thinking, so I panicked and the rest you know.

I have no excuses or rationalizations for what happened, just an explanation.

I both want and NEED to apologize to everyone who was offended by my last post. It didn't go where I thought it would and it made a completely inaccurate impression that I did not want to make. You were trying to help me, I panicked, I fucked up, and the offending post was the result.

If this post is at all salvageable, it will be in your hands. I hereby turn this thread over to all of you to take over. I will come back, but certainly not as the creator again.

Thank you for listening.
 
wow, i must be the luckyest guy alive!

all the women i have ever been intamate with didn't object in anyway,to giving oral pleasure to me. after reading all of this thread i have to figure i lucked out big time! lol.

for the record, my wife brought it up to me! and to this day that's her favorite way to tickle me. nothing gets me laughing like oral sex!
steve
 
Amnesiac

I can't speak for anyone else, but this is still a fun thread to me. I keep coming to it to see what folks will add.

Not to sound insensitive, but I never really care about anyone's "true" intentions for posting anything. (I'm still trying think of something cool to post to maximize my RVR! :blaugh: ) I just take the topic at face value. If the subject's compelling enough, I'll respond. Frankly, I got a chuckle out of your intended "twist."


So I say, relax! 😛
...we gave our opinions on BJs, not our ATM pin numbers! LOL
 
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