Tickle Torture in SE Asia - FREE Movie Thread

[tkl-pen]

I can't imagine that - I have seen stuff from Thailand that makes a tickling video like this look tame - and I don't think this producer, or any other, will do a tickling video like this where its not permitted.

 

[kingzorak]

i have lived in bangkok for years.. any adult type of productions are illegal.. i know people who spent time in jail for shooting some thai girls who were fully dressed for teasers for a live feed.....

with regards to the comment about seeing harder things come out of thailand.. you are right, i have seen harder things in thailand.. but that still does not make it legal ...

things are never what they seem in the LOS

 

[llaugher2001]

brilliant.

Boycott? lol, ain't gonna happen cause...
1) you couldn't be further from the truth
2) you are one of the minority

Forced sex slave labor? Really, what has this got to do with me or my company? "you can only imagine..." clearly you do too much of that already. Speculative imagination. As more movie clips are posted in this thread in future, your statement will look even more idiotic than it does already.

Expect conscience from our community? Thank the lord our community also has COMMON sense. Which evidently, is not all that common in your case.

 

[filtickler]

are these clips really from Thailland? because the girls are Filipinas (Philippines) and I can understand them

 

[wendynpeter]

... He is in fact our partner in ticklehorror.com ...

I sure wish I didn't know that.

I will say this: At the end of the day, even if there's nothing ILLEGAL going on, some of the content in TTSEA's videos is clearly nonconsensual. I said something a while back that I think put it in the best way possible -- there's something about it that just "feels wrong." And of course, that means wrong to me (and everyone else who is turned off by the content).

I don't wish any ill on this producer, unless he's hurting people (and most of us cannot know whether he is). All we know is that it sure LOOKS like he is, and that's enough to turn us off. I just join with others in saying that I will not support him, and I won't support those who defend that kind of content. The reason I posted my comments is because I suspect that other producers care about and learn from this kind of feedback. I certainly didn't expect other producers to jump into the fire. I hope none of my other favorite producers are in the same boat.

I see lots of pushback whenever members here or at TT speak up about content that "feels wrong," whether it's nonconsensual or abusive content, or foot pictures of underage celebrities, or something else that rides the line. The bottom line is that, for all that's been said about TTSEA's content, nothing's really happened, except that maybe more people have been drawn to see for themselves what all the hoopla's about.

 

[tkl-pen]

And the video you don't like was the first to be nominated for the golden feather as video of the year (no, not by me)!

 

[MÿTicklingStudios]

Wendypeter,

You are so wrong, I don't think I can respond to your comments in an articulate manner and get something similar in return.

I sure wish I didn't know that.

I will say this: At the end of the day, even if there's nothing ILLEGAL going on, some of the content in TTSEA's videos is clearly nonconsensual. I said something a while back that I think put it in the best way possible -- there's something about it that just "feels wrong." And of course, that means wrong to me (and everyone else who is turned off by the content).

I don't wish any ill on this producer, unless he's hurting people (and most of us cannot know whether he is). All we know is that it sure LOOKS like he is, and that's enough to turn us off. I just join with others in saying that I will not support him, and I won't support those who defend that kind of content. The reason I posted my comments is because I suspect that other producers care about and learn from this kind of feedback. I certainly didn't expect other producers to jump into the fire. I hope none of my other favorite producers are in the same boat.

I see lots of pushback whenever members here or at TT speak up about content that "feels wrong," whether it's nonconsensual or abusive content, or foot pictures of underage celebrities, or something else that rides the line. The bottom line is that, for all that's been said about TTSEA's content, nothing's really happened, except that maybe more people have been drawn to see for themselves what all the hoopla's about.

 

[MÿTicklingStudios]

Clip Added!

For all those that appreciate my content, thank you very much for your kind words. For all those that have taken the time to write to me with feedback, thank you. Your feedback is valuable and again, these clips are dedicated to you.

I have just added a new preview clip in the 1st post of this thread.

"M/F Chair Tied Tickling Pussy Assault".

Enjoy!

 

[wendynpeter]

Wendypeter,

You are so wrong, I don't think I can respond to your comments in an articulate manner and get something similar in return.

Here's something articulate anyway:

1. I'm pretty sure I can't be wrong about my own feelings.
2. Your own signature says "no safewords." That in itself violates the SSC policy that our community lives by.

I'm not off base, you just don't like my assessment of your content (any more than I like your content). That's fine -- I've never once asked you not to do what you're doing. I've only expressed my views about it. So do us all a favor and dispense with the "I'm so indignant I can't type" drama. You know what you're doing and you know who it appeals to.

 

[RobAce]

As a member of this community for over 10 years I think Ive seen about everything from producers. I watched all the clips in question and Im sure the MODS here have as well. They would not allow anything that they felt was either illegal or immoral to be on the TMF and from what I saw I agree with that.
I didn't see anything remotely that horrible. Perhaps these women are just better actors or just like the fact that they are getting paid for something that makes them work harder and act better. Not that Im saying there is any faking in these vids but if they were they are still great clips and possibly a great video.
I would say if ou find it tasteless or beyond your bounds of enjoyment then simply do not download clips or in anyway support this producer or any others that you feel support it. Its your right as an individual and as a consumer.
If you strongly feel that something is wrong and people are being hurt then I would suggest these 3 things....
1. PM or email a MOD and discuss your concerns in private, perhaps they can let you know their feelings on this on why it is OK. Perhaps they have some insight that you do not.
2. PM or email the producer and let them know your concerns. Dont do it in a vengeful or spiteful way.
3. If you really think something criminal is happening then find a way to email or contact authorties in that country or here through a consoluate of that country and voice your concerns. You might be embarrased to tell someone you have a ticking fetish but if in your heart you think someone is doing something criminal whats really more important. And yes you can do it anon.
Thats just my feelings. Personally the vids are good, I prefer more foot action....and less nudity..but thats just me.

Rob

 

[llaugher2001]

I can't imagine more articulate responses than WendynPeter's. And regarding the arguments that the films are so popular, that they're legal (iffy), and all the "i can't see a thing wrong with them" defenses, my response to all that is, are you kidding me? Can you guys not see with your own eyes what's happening right there in the clips? And regarding the other post about private contacting instead of public (as in here) complaints, that's perfect. Why engage in a public debate over something as silly as sexual exploitation? If we acknowledge it, gads, it might just be true.

Wendypeter,

You are so wrong, I don't think I can respond to your comments in an articulate manner and get something similar in return.

 

[MÿTicklingStudios]

2. Your own signature says "no safewords." That in itself violates the SSC policy that our community lives by.

My sig has never changed Peter. So why let me ask you did you buy clips, knowing what was in my sig? I saw your details come in as a sale. Again, you're talking contradictory and you're quoting things when it suits to support your viewpoint.

If you don't like it, don't watch it. And especially don't come back on a moral highground quoting my sig when you indeed bought clips from a person carrying that sig - its ok while it suits you.

 

[MÿTicklingStudios]

I would like to add some specualtion Peter, and I would like to put forward some possible motives for you making a song and dance about something where the majority of people do not share your views on the issue you're making comments on.

Possible motive 1:

Same here. I've been into serious BDSM for half my life...

To be fair, I should say that the company did offer money back. I had already deleted my confirmation from Clips4sale...

You bought a clip, for whatever reason it wasn't what you hoped for and then you were a little disgruntled at yourself for throwing away your confirmation mail that prevented you from getting the refund you wanted.

Here's something articulate anyway:

1. I'm pretty sure I can't be wrong about my own feelings.
2. Your own signature says "no safewords." That in itself violates the SSC policy that our community lives by.

I'm not off base, you just don't like my assessment of your content (any more than I like your content). That's fine -- I've never once asked you not to do what you're doing. I've only expressed my views about it. So do us all a favor and dispense with the "I'm so indignant I can't type" drama. You know what you're doing and you know who it appeals to.

Possible motive 2:
I would suggest that you indeed could be wrong about your own feelings. I would also suggest that being a serious BDSM fetishist, you have potentially got inner conflicts whereby the morals that you were brought up contradict with your comfortable plataeu of enjoyment in being a BDSM lover and perhaps praticing BDSM for half of your life. You have probably gone through much of your life feeling guilty and asking yourself inner questions about your own and your societies acceptance of your fetish and the feelings that motivate them. You have probably gained a little comfort when you found like minded people who shared the feelings you have for BDSM. But some how, perhaps this didn't bridge the gap inside and your inner questions remain. You probably also tried justify to yourself that your fetish is normal and there is nothing wrong. Supporting this angle by your SSC policy. However, the fundamental urge which grabs your appeal for BDSM still troubles you. By targeting those who you have decided to percieve as wrong, you can some how differentiate yourself from others which is fueled by seeking comfort in who you are.

This is all merely specualtion on my part of course. Its just what I see in you and the way you respond to posts.

 

[sexypapi]

Mts....

please just ignore these few critics. there is no need to keep responding to their attacks. when you do so it gives them a reason to keep writing.

 

[wendynpeter]

I would like to add some specualtion Peter, and I would like to put forward some possible motives for you making a song and dance about something where the majority of people do not share your views on the issue you're making comments on.

Possible motive 1:
You bought a clip, for whatever reason it wasn't what you hoped for and then you were a little disgruntled at yourself for throwing away your confirmation mail that prevented you from getting the refund you wanted.
Possible motive 2:
I would suggest that you indeed could be wrong about your own feelings. I would also suggest that being a serious BDSM fetishist, you have potentially got inner conflicts whereby the morals that you were brought up contradict with your comfortable plataeu of enjoyment in being a BDSM lover and perhaps praticing BDSM for half of your life. You have probably gone through much of your life feeling guilty and asking yourself inner questions about your own and your societies acceptance of your fetish and the feelings that motivate them. You have probably gained a little comfort when you found like minded people who shared the feelings you have for BDSM. But some how, perhaps this didn't bridge the gap inside and your inner questions remain. You probably also tried justify to yourself that your fetish is normal and there is nothing wrong. Supporting this angle by your SSC policy. However, the fundamental urge which grabs your appeal for BDSM still troubles you. By targeting those who you have decided to percieve as wrong, you can some how differentiate yourself from others which is fueled by seeking comfort in who you are.

This is all merely specualtion on my part of course. Its just what I see in you and the way you respond to posts.

1. I bought the clip because the preview clip doesn't show a woman thoroughly pissed off, spitting and cursing and not into the scene in any way whatsoever -- that's only in the pay version.

2. I'll ignore the ridciculous armchair psychology and just say that SSC (safe, sane and consensual) is not MY policy, it is the accepted policy of the BDSM community as a whole. Bondage and tickling is a BDSM activity. I'm not the least bit conflicted. I know right from wrong within the parameters of the sexual activities in which I very proudly participate. That's WHY I have a problem with some of TTSEA's content.

--I'll also say that anyone who has seen the preview clip but not the full pay clip hasn't seen what I'm talking about.

For those of you who think I'm over reacting, read this article:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26296

I'm not claiming that TTSEA is exploiting anyone, because I don't know anything other that what I have seen. I'm just saying that a company that won't tell us what COUNTRY their videos are produced in gets me a tad suspicious.

 

[tkl-pen]

It seems to me that the biggest thing for Peter is that the producer doesn't reveal the location of his filming - who really cares if its Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, Malaysia, or whatever. I don't see him asking other producers where they film their clips.

While the clip Peter is most offended by is pretty intense, it is far from abuse of the woman involved. Yes, she screams, she swears, she spits, and the whole bit. I expect she is overacting a fair bit but admit that by this point she has reached the breaking point. That is where MTS says they stop, and that is exactly where they stop.

Peter clearly does not understand any of the Malay based languages of S/E Asia. I do. The girl is not at all upset with the producer or the tickler at the end of the clip. She only tells them to release her hands because her wrists are a little sore from the struggling. Hardly what I would expect from a poor young woman who has bee abused as Peter purports.

If Peter was really as interested in following the tickling session to the end, as he tells us about the parts of the clip not in the trailer, then I would like to introduce him to Grace, another girl who MTS writes was in the room as this girl was being tickle tortured. Her clip, taken after the first girl was released according to MTS, is 'Girl With Funny Laugh'. Not only did she get tied to the bed, tickled by the same tickler, and she too swears and curses, probably twice as bad since she says 'double fuck you'. But you know what?
When I hear her curse and swear, it seems like she's imitating the drama of the first ticklee. What's with that? And, more than likely, the poor abused first ticklee was standing in the room taunting and teasing her too.

Peter also declares that he has been into bondage and discipline for quite a long time. There are many bdsm videos from the US and abroad that could be held as abuse - women being whipped, electrically tortured, given enemas, etc. Sometimes they scream and cry as they are dragged in and placed in restraints. I wonder what Peter thinks of those.

If I was to hire that very same girl, tie her to the rafters high up on her toes, and gave her 50 lashes of a non-injurious whip as she screamed and swore and spit at me, what would Peter, and his few supporters, say of that?

Peter has made up his mind about this video and its producer. Nothing anyone says, no matter how reasonable, will change his view. So, MTS has supporters, and Peter has supporters, and these two sides disagree. Well, that's life.

And for the poor, abused woman in the video, life goes on too. She has a nice bit of cash in her pocket (well, after she gets her clothes on anyway), and she can buy something nice for herself, something that she might not otherwise have, a nice watch or some nice outfits or a little trip to another part of her country. Or perhaps some money to send a brother or sister to school for a semester, something that she may not have had a chance for herself. And all that for a half hour or so of getting tickled and venting her anger at the tickler, and her friends standing around laughing and taunting her while they await their turn.

Where, Peter, would she have had another chance for that? I'll just bet she'll come back and do it again, including the drama, the screaming, the overacting, the spitting, the cursing and who knows what else.

And why, oh why, Peter, are you sooooo interested in finding out which country this might be?

Peter, I respect your view, I really do. But to me, the argument here is the same as the one over spanking your kids. Most people say that it's okay to spank your kids. But then come the few who say you can't hit a child since that's abuse, and they'll phone the police the moment they see a mother, or heavens forbid, a father (a man), hit a child in a mall. Never mind what the majority say, never mind what the parents say, never mind what the law says, they are right.

 

[Drago69]

I wonder if I'm the only one that found the first clip (the guy mostly) kinda funny.

Either way, great clips. Especially liked the door one. 😀

 

[wendynpeter]

I'll just bet she'll come back and do it again, including the drama, the screaming, the overacting, the spitting, the cursing and who knows what else.

I'd be interested to see if she would come back. But that wouldn't prove anything. I'm sure that she would come back for enough money.

By the way, I'm not claiming the girls are hurt. I'm claiming that TTSEA's mindset (i.e., "I paid you to do this, and I'll stop when I damn well feel like it, BITCH!) results in videos that are a major turn-off for a lot of viewers, and makes one wonder whether the girls are being taken advantage of because they have no other way to make money except through prostitution.

And why, oh why, Peter, are you sooooo interested in finding out which country this might be?

It's not that I'm so interested to find out what country. I'm more interested to find out why the country's a secret. Must be a mighty small country.

... the argument here is the same as the one over spanking your kids. Most people say that it's okay to spank your kids. But then come the few who say you can't hit a child since that's abuse, and they'll phone the police the moment they see a mother, or heavens forbid, a father (a man), hit a child in a mall.

Interesting analogy, actually. Sometimes spanking is just spanking, sometimes it's abuse. The difference isn't always physically detectable. The psychological difference is in the state of mind of the parent (and the child). There's a huge difference between a parent who disciplines in a controlled, measured way and a parent who hits out of anger or revenge. Or indifference. As long as we are making analogies, here's another:

Some people say that we shouldn't be worried about buying goods produced in sweatshops by 8-year-olds, because the children make some money to take home to their impoverished family. No one denies that the children take money home -- that isn't the issue. The issue is whether the country's government could stop oppressing people so that it wouldn't be necessary for children to work in sweatshops. Similarly, my issue with TTSEA isn't whether the girls are paid. It's how they are treated anyway.

Your comments about BDSM videos are interesting too. It's BECAUSE I've seen lots and lots of BDSM videos that I can say with confidence that I know when I'm watching a scene gone bad. Any producer of BDSM material who claims to ignore safewords falls into one of two categories. Either they are pandering to sadists by faking it, or pandering to sadists because they really are abusing people. Either is irresponsible and unethical. The latter is criminal.

 

[tkl-pen]

My God, Peter, I wish I could meet you one day. You and I could have some fascinating and lengthy discussions. We are both articulate, well-informed and intelligent, albeit possibly philosophically opposed.

 

[wendynpeter]

My God, Peter, I wish I could meet you one day. You and I could have some fascinating and lengthy discussions. We are both articulate, well-informed and intelligent...

Maybe YOU are. I'm just a complete dumbass with a good opinion. LOL

Thanks for the comments.


Oh, and by the by -- those two women in your signature are gorgeous.

 

[Redmage]

2. I'll ignore the ridciculous armchair psychology and just say that SSC (safe, sane and consensual) is not MY policy, it is the accepted policy of the BDSM community as a whole. Bondage and tickling is a BDSM activity. I'm not the least bit conflicted. I know right from wrong within the parameters of the sexual activities in which I very proudly participate. That's WHY I have a problem with some of TTSEA's content.

Just a small note, Peter, from someone who is also pretty well involved in BDSM.

SSC is rapidly falling out of favor in the kink community, for the very simple reason that no one can agree on what is safe or sane, and consent can even get a little fuzzy in some Master/Slave relationships. The standard embraced by an increasing number of kinksters is RACK - Risk-Aware Consensual Kink. (Don't take my word for it; run it on Google.)

The idea is that while we can't all agree on what is safe, we can agree that it's important to know what the risks are and what risks one is willing to take. And that once armed with this knowledge a person who decides to take a risk is acting with all the consent necessary in BDSM.

Referring specifically to these videos, I posted my thoughts once before.

1) All available evidence indicates that the models are of legal age.

2) All available evidence indicates that there is usually more than one model at a time at these shoots and that each of them sees what the others go through. They are thus risk-aware.

3) They are paid a sum they consider acceptable.

Adding all this up, I can't see any reason to be outraged other than personal preferences.

As for the language, I've seen as bad and worse in many consensual rape-play scenes. If a bottom enters a scene knowing that there will be no safeword, then it can only be because they're willing to do that. I have enough respect for their judgment as adults to leave it at that.

I'm not claiming that TTSEA is exploiting anyone, because I don't know anything other that what I have seen.

If that's not what you're claiming then you might want to rephrase, because honestly that's certainly what you appear to be claiming in almost every message I've seen from you on these threads.

Best,

Redmage

 

[wendynpeter]

Look, we can go on and on about semantics. RACK still includes consent. And there's nothing in the "Risk-Aware" part that overrides that. When someone is clearing wanting out of a scene, arguing that they consented to do the scene (for money or not) doesn't get you anywhere. The bottom line is still that if, in the middle of any scene, someone safewords, the scene is over. Period. Having a "no safeword" policy is dangerous at worst and irresponsible at best, and can result in really bad scenes (or worse).

Let me say this again: PLEASE -- if you haven't watched the entire PAY VERSION of the videos in question, you don't know what I'm talking about. So do not write a post that says, "I don't see what you're going on about," OK? You won't see anything objectionable in the preview. There was at least one other person on this site who purchesed the clip, as I did, and also as I did, felt so weird about what he saw that he immediately deleted the clip and everything to do with the clip. The reaction was like "Jesus! I don't even want that on my hard drive!"

My concern is not at all unfounded, given what we know about human rights concerns in Southeast Asia:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26296

As for the language, I've seen as bad and worse in many consensual rape-play scenes. If a bottom enters a scene knowing that there will be no safeword, then it can only be because they're willing to do that. I have enough respect for their judgment as adults to leave it at that.

Your argument assumes that people have more that two options in life (prostitution or starvation). In any case, I've seen this argument in the BDSM circles for years, and it doesn't hold water. Look at it this way. EVEN IF someone consents to something, the person in control nevertheless has a duty to refrain from doing anything that person doesn't want in the moment. The are people in the BDSM circles who argue that once a woman agrees to something, it's all on her, and of course that's horseshit. The top has a duty to be responsible regardless of what someone else is willing to do. We know that people in special circumstances will agree to do things that they would not otherwise agree to do. We see it all the time in BDSM. Some bottoms are so damaged and want so badly to be loved that they will allow a top to hurt them (sometimes severely) on the hope that the top will form an attachment. If a top knows this (and most do), it is certainly his or her moral duty to refrain from taking advantage of the bottom's state of mind or special circumstance. Right?

 

[Redmage]

When someone is clearing wanting out of a scene, arguing that they consented to do the scene (for money or not) doesn't get you anywhere. The bottom line is still that if, in the middle of any scene, someone safewords, the scene is over. Period. Having a "no safeword" policy is dangerous at worst and irresponsible at best, and can result in really bad scenes (or worse).

Sorry, Peter, but those are both nothing more than personal opinions of yours. They are not any sort of "Official BDSM Policy" and in fact many sane and sober players of my acquaintance would disagree. Pushing the envelope like that is intense, and difficult, but it is not wrong, foolish, or any other such thing by definition. Making an absolute statement doesn't make it absolutely true.

EVEN IF someone consents to something, the person in control nevertheless has a duty to refrain from doing anything that person doesn't want in the moment.

Nonsense. I have had MANY scenes in which the bottom didn't want something "in the moment," but was very happy that she had been carried through it when the scene was over. You keep saying things as though they were handed down from on high when they just aren't.

The are people in the BDSM circles who argue that once a woman agrees to something, it's all on her, and of course that's horseshit. The top has a duty to be responsible regardless of what someone else is willing to do.

The top has a responsibility to be mindful of his or her own limits, of the bottom's limits as negotiated, and to make sure that the bottom is making a decision with his or her faculties intact. If those two criteria are met, that's all that's needed.

Some bottoms are so damaged and want so badly to be loved that they will allow a top to hurt them (sometimes severely) on the hope that the top will form an attachment. If a top knows this (and most do), it is certainly his or her moral duty to refrain from taking advantage of the bottom's state of mind or special circumstance. Right?

See above about intact faculties. That's not quite what we're talking about here.

 

[MÿTicklingStudios]

Redmage,

You make so much sense its scary. Please contact me at: [email protected] and I will give you free of charge the full version of the "F**k You" clip.

I so much look forward to your feedback.

MTS.

 

[Jeffy]

Juge Jury and Executioner

I would like to know who made these people judge jury and executioner?

If you don't like something don't watch it! It seems pretty simple to me. Is there alot of things I see that I don't like? Absolutely!! There are apparently videos out there where women have sex with a horse! Do I like those videos? Absolutely not!! Do I say anything? No! Why? Because what someone else does/watches is none of my business. If I was perfect and sin free then I have a right to judge others and condemn others for what they watch and like. However since I am NOT perfect, I have no right to judge!

The point is that these models are over age, concenting, and getting paid for it. If these models were getting exploited would I agree with it? No. Perhaps because of their situation they are willing to do things that they wouldn't normally do. You wanna know what though, there are lots of people willing to do things for money that they wouldn't normally do. As long as the people know what is going to happen before they agree to it and they are of sound mind when they agree to it, then it really isnt any my business. I don't agree that people should be taking advantage of anyone, however ultimately these people do have a choice and it is not like a gun is being pointed at their heads. If you want to speak out against wrong things then speak out against ALL wrong things. Don't just speak out about what YOU consider to be wrong because then you are a hypocrate. There are more conservative people then you that could bitch about the things you like. Who are you to decide what is acceptable and whats not when a righteous person could just as easily accuse you of doing wrong things?! It is time to stop being a hypocrate my friend

If you care so much about peoples wellfare Peter how much money have you donated to these people? How much cash have you sent over to these Asian countries to help these poor people? How many children do you sponser? Knowing that there are starving kids in the world, and not sending money to give them food and a better life doesnt make you better then anyone you claim is "exploiting people".

And you know what? There is someone way higher up on the list that could find fault in what I do and call me a bad guy because they have more conservative veiws. And there is someone higher up on the list that could say the same thing about them. The thing is, that unless we are at the "top" we have no right to judge because until we cut out doing ANY wrong things out of our lives, HOW bad it is, is jut a matter of oppinion.