Tickle Torture in SE Asia - FREE Movie Thread

[wendynpeter]

Why don't you guys look back through the posts and locate where I said I was expressing anything OTHER than my opinion?

The fact is that my opinion, my feeling on the matter makes you uncomfortable. Sorry about that.

Red, I'll write a detailed reponse to your post later this evening.

 

[Scouse]

Saw the latest clip,once again....outstanding!

 

[MasterTT]

Ok... Im in

I thought ALOT about getting involved in this debate. I know the smart choice is to just stay out of the way, but this discussion is so interesting, and has so many facets I just cant leave it be. Here is my disclaimer... I have never seen the full clips... there, now if you wish to discount my opinion for that reason then don't waste your time reading on... however there are a few things that haven't been mentioned that I feel really ought to be pointed out. I deeply hope the other producers (and I only mention people I respect greatly) are not too bothered that I am bringing them into this but I feel it is important for a point of refrence. I am not sure why this producer has been atacked with such single intensity... except that he makes a good product. Now that isn't a judgement of quality as it may seem, just an expression of the fact that his goal, was to make a video that seemed to be real, tortur, and extreeme. From reading the empassioned cries of foul he did create a product that appears to be these things. It seems alot of things are very similar to other producers, so I wonder why the attack on this one... let me explane what I mean.

RealTickling - In my opinion a great site has a clip where he tickles a girl till she cries... at the time she is gaged... and seems to be in some degree of genuine distress. I have no idea if a secondary safe gaurd was used or not.

Yaqi - teases a girl in a clip when she asks for a safeword that safewords aren't used for tickling. (now from other sources I am 99% sure Yaqi uses safewords) and this was done in good fun but it illustrates that a producer might... represent there clip as non consentual not even as a lie but because that is the nature of the scene. Ticking is an act that the large number of people want to stop at least while its happening.. thus bondage and so forth.

So what is so different... well... the shakey camera angles give a nice feeling of realism that could be impacting the subconcious. You think I'm joking but that simple concept is taken very seriously in film school... take documentrys, Blair Witch Project, even scenes in Blockbusters like War of the Worlds.
What else... well... there is the pandoras box sitting right there... and I am not one to leave well enough alone... so theres the fact that these are not white american women. Now in our ever enlightened society why on earth would I think that makes a difference, am I accusing the critics of racism. Not really no... but I think it colors their veiw... and I think there was one all telling comment about that

"I'd be interested to see if she would come back. But that wouldn't prove anything. I'm sure that she would come back for enough money." --- (I dont know how to do that cool right out of their post thing but Wendynpeter said it)
Now I don't think this comment comes from intentional racism, I think it comes from this idea that some people have it so bad that we fortunate ones should look out for them (ok Im fine with that) and that because of their situation they can't be trusted to make their own decisions (ok NOT fine with that!)

Are we deluting ourselves into thinking all these american models who cry beg and plead just love being tickled, they have the same fetish and are just having a grand old time. No, but when it comes to people who are not into something creating film of it all you can ask for is consent. Thats it... you don't get to second guess a grown ups choice to consent to something (now that is just my opinion but I hold it strongly)
I am a Dom... I have no intrest in getting into the debate over RACK and traditional SSAC ideology, but when a grown up concents thats all you can ask. It is really challenging the relms of fairness to say "well she consented, but there was alot of money involved so it wasen't consent" so I think if the girl came back it would prove alot. Now I feel as I'm typing this as if I'm misrepresenting Peters point... because he didn't say the consent was void, I just think that this is a point where to me the argument just "dosen't feel right" as they say. I honestly think that is where WendynPeters feelings come from, a combination of implied realism on the part of the director... a language barrier (one of the reasons I haven't seen the clips, cause I like to know what a girl's saying) and a feeling that it is our responsibility to protect those who are less fortunate... but I think that if we imply that their given concent is not valid... we are setting a dangerous double standard. American girls do it for the money... I bet if you asked the TIB who I feel is an extreemly responsible Dom, he would tell you some of them hate every second... and they do it cause it pays for college or whatever. Thats the nature of a fetish that can be described as torture. Some people wanna see it be torture... and some in South East Asia, some in New York are willing to undergo torture for money. Then again some people are willing to work some pretty horrible jobs too, and that might be more torture. When it comes to consent, we can't replace a persons judgment with our own, we aren't fit to do that.
To finish, I think WendynPeters heart is in the right place. I don't know maybe WendynPeter is right. If it goes to far it goes to far... if it crosses the relm of consent or child abuse or sexual exploitation then it does and its wrong, I dont know... I just think without hard proff it is dangerous to throw around allegations at a persons buisness. And with all do respect to the producers... I know models and actresses... by their nature alot of what you see is fake beause they want to perform their task. So to lets not pretend that "because we saw it on tv it MUST BE REAL"

Ok... I am putting my soap box away for another day. Carry on.

 

[wendynpeter]

They are not any sort of "Official BDSM Policy" and in fact many sane and sober players of my acquaintance would disagree. Pushing the envelope like that is intense, and difficult, but it is not wrong, foolish, or any other such thing by definition. Making an absolute statement doesn't make it absolutely true.

Of course there's no "official BDSM policy." There's no "official" BDSM policy-making group. BDSM practitioners are a loose-knit group, and therefore none are bound to any set of rules. But by saying that RACK has now superceded SSC, you are yourself acknowledging the fact that there is a widely accepted ideology concerning the rules of play.

Pushing the envelope, intense play -- that's all part of it. It can even be negotiated that there will be no safewords. All of which is trumped by basic human decency if, in the middle of any scene, a bottom announces that she truly has had enough and wants to stop. I've been in the BDSM scene a lot of years and I have played with hundreds of subs both in public and in private, and I can tell you that no matter how the scene changes, it will always be the case that if a call to stop is ignored, that's a SEVERE transgression. If you have any real time experience, especially with casual play, you know this too.

Nonsense. I have had MANY scenes in which the bottom didn't want something "in the moment," but was very happy that she had been carried through it when the scene was over. You keep saying things as though they were handed down from on high when they just aren't.

Again -- we both know the difference between what I'm talking about and what you're talking about. I'm only saying that there are also scenes where "stop" means stop. The value of playing with an experienced top is that he or she can usually tell the difference. But even then, sometimes you can't. And an experienced top will err on the side of safety in those cases.

The top has a responsibility to be mindful of his or her own limits, of the bottom's limits as negotiated, and to make sure that the bottom is making a decision with his or her faculties intact. If those two criteria are met, that's all that's needed.

Not true, and a dangerous belief. You and I both know that just because a scene is negotiated, that is not an absolute green light. A bottom ALWAYS reserves the right to stop a scene. It's understood (by tops who are human beings). Like sex, a BDSM scene can stop being consensual at any point in the scene, regardless of what was agreed upon up front. And once a scene ceases to be consensual, if it continues, it becomes criminal. That is a legal fact. Ask any attorney.

 

[wendynpeter]

The thing is, that unless we are at the "top" we have no right to judge because until we cut out doing ANY wrong things out of our lives, HOW bad it is, is jut a matter of oppinion.

Really? No matter HOW bad it is?? That's a pretty extreme statement. By that logic, were someone to rob you, burn down your house and murder your family, you wouldn't be in position to judge them. And neither would the jury. That hardly seems correct, don't you think?

 

[wendynpeter]

RealTickling - In my opinion a great site has a clip where he tickles a girl till she cries... at the time she is gaged... and seems to be in some degree of genuine distress. I have no idea if a secondary safe gaurd was used or not.

Yaqi - teases a girl in a clip when she asks for a safeword that safewords aren't used for tickling. (now from other sources I am 99% sure Yaqi uses safewords) and this was done in good fun but it illustrates that a producer might... represent there clip as non consentual not even as a lie but because that is the nature of the scene. Ticking is an act that the large number of people want to stop at least while its happening.. thus bondage and so forth.

Let's not talk about videos that show distress. Let's talk about videos that show someone ignoring an actual demand to stop, and the cursing, spitting and screaming that goes along with it.

So what is so different... well... the shakey camera angles give a nice feeling of realism that could be impacting the subconcious. You think I'm joking but that simple concept is taken very seriously in film school... take documentrys, Blair Witch Project, even scenes in Blockbusters like War of the Worlds...

I'm not critquing camera angles.

"I'd be interested to see if she would come back. But that wouldn't prove anything. I'm sure that she would come back for enough money." --- (I dont know how to do that cool right out of their post thing but Wendynpeter said it)
Now I don't think this comment comes from intentional racism, I think it comes from this idea that some people have it so bad that we fortunate ones should look out for them (ok Im fine with that) and that because of their situation they can't be trusted to make their own decisions (ok NOT fine with that!)

My claim is that in Southeast Asia, prostitution, sex slavery, trafficking in human beings, etc., are real and are real problems. We have no idea who agreed to what in the case at hand. Many posters are assuming there were negotiations and contracts and money exchanged, and I'm saying that we don't know whether there were or weren't. I'm also saying that there is a real possiblity that none of that happened.

Are we deluting ourselves into thinking all these american models who cry beg and plead just love being tickled, they have the same fetish and are just having a grand old time.

I certainly hope not.

... you don't get to second guess a grown ups choice to consent to something (now that is just my opinion but I hold it strongly)

Sure you do. That's a very naive outlook in today's global world.

I am a Dom... I have no intrest in getting into the debate over RACK and traditional SSAC ideology, but when a grown up concents thats all you can ask.

See my comments elsewhere in this thread for my response to this.

It is really challenging the relms of fairness to say "well she consented, but there was alot of money involved so it wasen't consent" so I think if the girl came back it would prove alot.

That's not an accrate account of my argument. I'm saying that given the state of human rights in some Southeast Asian countries, we cannot assume consent in the first place, AND EVEN IF THERE WAS CONSENT, that does not mean consent cannot be withdrawn.

Now I feel as I'm typing this as if I'm misrepresenting Peters point... because he didn't say the consent was void, I just think that this is a point where to me the argument just "dosen't feel right" as they say.

Not even close. See above.

I honestly think that is where WendynPeters feelings come from, a combination of implied realism on the part of the director... a language barrier (one of the reasons I haven't seen the clips, cause I like to know what a girl's saying)

What do you mean "I haven't seen the clips"???? THat just negates everything you've said in this epistle. Jesus Christ. Whatever, let's continue...

and a feeling that it is our responsibility to protect those who are less fortunate... but I think that if we imply that their given concent is not valid... we are setting a dangerous double standard. American girls do it for the money...

There IS a different standard for women who live in a place where you can be sold into slavery and prostitution.

To finish, I think WendynPeters heart is in the right place. I don't know maybe WendynPeter is right. If it goes to far it goes to far... if it crosses the relm of consent or child abuse or sexual exploitation then it does and its wrong, I dont know... I just think without hard proff it is dangerous to throw around allegations at a persons buisness.

This is a real and difficult issue. Given the circumstances, we simply cannot assume the burden of proof in the same way as if the video originated in the U.S. I think it's just a very bad idea to produce this kind of video in the heart of an area in the world where women are treated so badly. Early comments made by the producer to me asserted that my objections to the way the women were treated were out-of-bounds because I was criticizing their culture (of misogyny). Which I was, and will continue to do.

And with all do respect to the producers... I know models and actresses... by their nature alot of what you see is fake beause they want to perform their task. So to lets not pretend that "because we saw it on tv it MUST BE REAL"

I don't think any of us are being that naive. I think it's perfectly clear what's in the video -- for those of us who have SEEN the video ...

 

[Redmage]

I'm only saying that there are also scenes where "stop" means stop. The value of playing with an experienced top is that he or she can usually tell the difference.

All true, Peter. Now tell me, were you the top in this scene?

 

[Jeffy]

Really? No matter HOW bad it is?? That's a pretty extreme statement. By that logic, were someone to rob you, burn down your house and murder your family, you wouldn't be in position to judge them. And neither would the jury. That hardly seems correct, don't you think?

I didnt say no matter how bad it is. Read carefully, I said when we ALL do bad things "HOW bad it is, is a matter of oppinion." And now you are compairing death to someone who "concented" to doing a tickling video! Was this girl murdered? Was this girl robbed blind? Did she have her house stolen? No. To compare all of that to someone concenting to a tickling video is ludicriss. No one forced her to do it. She did it for whatever reason.

If she was absolutely starving, with not even one CRUMB of bread and HAD to do this video or she would die immediately, and that is the only reason why she did it, then I would say yes, that is exploitation. However, she wasn't knocking on deaths door and everyone has a choice. I wouldn't have done that kind of video in the first place at any costs no matter how poor i was. However she wasn't dying and she did make that choice. If she chose to do the video because she isn't happy with whatever shanty she is living in, or wants to save money to move to america, that is her choice. For me I'd be happy with the shanty but I just want to live simply.

However for me to complain about this video, but also watch and support other tickling clips for my own perversion, would make me a hypocrate. For that would be like me saying it is ok for people to be perverts, as long as I get to decide how much and to what degree. Nonsence! If someone concented to doing a video, it's none of my damn business, and if I dont like it I should lump it.

Peter you make it sound like you are just stating your oppinion. You are clearly doing more then that. You are clearly attacking the producer, and condeming these videos! Quit trying to dictate what level of perversion is acceptable. It is ALL wrong. I just don't tell people that it is wrong because I do not wish to be a hypocrate!

 

[sexypapi]

wendynpeter are getting waaaaaaay too much attention. he stands alone in his arguments and in my opinion this is a dead argument. i wasted too much time arguing with them/him. can we please just let this go.

ARGUING IS TOO MUCH OF A DOWNER!! ESPECIALLY IN THE CLIPS SECTION.

 

[Cynthia_Massol]

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[MÿTicklingStudios]

My concern is not at all unfounded, given what we know about human rights concerns in Southeast Asia:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26296

By Anthony C. LoBaido
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

I guess you don't travel too much. As a side note, have you ever been to Asia?

p.s. From the same source, although more recent news... http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47416

Does this mean that sex with animals is becoming socially accepted in the mindsets of Americans? ...And you sit there and judge?

 

[MasterTT]

I knew better than to open the box.

I wish someone could tell me how to do that blue box thing so that I could reply point by point... but I will do my best to adress certain points.. all quotes are from wendynpeters reply to my post.

"My claim is that in Southeast Asia, prostitution, sex slavery, trafficking in human beings, etc., are real and are real problems. We have no idea who agreed to what in the case at hand. Many posters are assuming there were negotiations and contracts and money exchanged, and I'm saying that we don't know whether there were or weren't. I'm also saying that there is a real possiblity that none of that happened." ---
We don't know.. really.... well in the sense that we never know anything, but we do have the word of the producer... the statement of another producer who says this is on the level, and of course that whole innocent until proven guilty thing that probobly is part of my naive world veiw. I know that is not much to go on when compared to wild speculation and conspiracy theory but it seems like something.
As for my naive world veiw in general, we can argue forever about it, but it seems to me to be putting yourself on a very high plane indead to belive that you have the right to second guess the actions of consentual adults... I agree that is naive because it comes from principle rather than logical analisis.. the principle that when it isn't hurting someone else a person has a right to make their own choices without you substituting your opinion for theirs... Here I speek of the ticklee's choice to do the film obviously not the film maker.

"we cannot assume consent in the first place, AND EVEN IF THERE WAS CONSENT, that does not mean consent cannot be withdrawn." -
well, I do assume that, because again I tend to take word of the producer, and pretty much cinched it with the back up of someone else over blatent speculation of grevious wrongdoing bassed SOLEY on the geographic location where it is being filmed. Sure there is sexual exploitation in these countries, however it is a principal flaw of logic to assume that because there is wrongdoing what all doing is wrong so to speek. This seems to be bringing a persons honesty and integrity into question with at best circumstantial evidence and at most distasteful malice. Now as for concent being taken back this is of course the crux of the issue... I agree 100% with you on this one... I as a dominant could not do a non consentual act with anyone and I belive consent can flux at any time, however this video in theory posses a difficult question of... can you give consent for a non-consentual act. To wendynpeter this is an understandibly cut and dried issue, for me it is a bit more murky... it is certinaly an extreemly difficult question and one than makes this whole argument so difficult... It seems in fact that this is the crux of the whole debate, because if we take everything at face value that is what happened... these videos (because they use no safe words) lose a certain element of consent. Or more accuratly the lose that ability to withdraw concent. And this is the very grey area for me where I don't know if they are ok or not.... this is my moral delima with these videos if you will.

"There IS a different standard for women who live in a place where you can be sold into slavery and prostitution."
This is why I even responded to this, I feel that this is an absolutly horrific statement. To say because of somewhere someone lives if the ARE making ADULT CONSENTUAL choices, that there is a double standard... that they don't know there own mind, that they are not alowed to make choices for themselves, that you as an enlightened person from a better place can second guess those choices, substitute your choices for their own, how is this any different than people who came into africa or america and "educated the natives" Because hey.. we are from a country that dosent have these horrors so people from places that do must not know their own minds I could go on but I wont...

"What do you mean "I haven't seen the clips"???? THat just negates everything you've said in this epistle"
A, I said in the first few lines that I haden't seen the clip, so that was know when you went into reading my "epistle" however it is compleatly unfair to say that if I have or have not seen any clip negates what I have said because I was arguing about principles, and standards of equality and respect for peoples choices. It is a formal falicy (ad hominum I belive but my latin is probobly spelled wrong) because nothing about me negates my argument... only if I had used part of the video to support my argument would anything be negated, I didn't I was talking about principles.


"I don't think any of us are being that naive. I think it's perfectly clear what's in the video -- for those of us who have SEEN the video ... "
Here is where you have me to an extent... I don't know, I havent seen it... but I think you should really thing about who is beeing naive... I SAW Saving Private Ryan... and I am telling you I SAW some people get killed. I saw it... and I have seen actual footage of war and SAW them get killed... But i suppose that anything that differs from your opinion is naive since you said that at least twice. I think you have some valid points... certinaly put up a good argument. I just think you should have more of a case built out of more than circumstantial evidence to make such accusations.
I supppose Ill sit the rest of this debate out because these clips are not of any major importance to me, I wanted to state a few fundamental principles I thought should be considered, and I have. To those who remain in the fray, best of luck to you.

 

[wendynpeter]

I agree that all's been said. Unless I see a response that actually has a point worth responding to, I'm done. I know from experience that all you can do is lay out your argument as best you can and let the people reading the posts decide. You hardly ever get someone who's posting arguments against your view to agree with you. I feel that my most compelling arguments are spelled out cleanly in this thread, and that's all I feel the need to do.

-P

 

[jameslee]

This is not about personality attacks. This is about not supporting companies that indulge in what could easily be the practice-for-profit of forced sex slave labor. You just have to read the newspapers to imagine where they got those very young girls. I love tickling, adult tickling, genuine but consensual tickling, that doesn't exploit the vulnerable. This ain't that. I expect more of a conscience from our tickling community, and from this website in particular.

You are ignorant.

 

[jameslee]

llaugher2001 you should get a life.

 

[jameslee]

By the way i really LOVE those clips.

 

[jameslee]

I guess you don't travel too much. As a side note, have you ever been to Asia?

p.s. From the same source, although more recent news... http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47416

Does this mean that sex with animals is becoming socially accepted in the mindsets of Americans? ...And you sit there and judge?

I'm asian american from asia and i think he's just too ignorant. Just ignore him thaz all. They're too closed-mind.

 

[jameslee]

Some spoiled haters around and can't bear other different opinions. They add whatever they want without thinking and eventually the topic get banned. I'm sicken and tired bout them haters running around and post something that really doesn't make sense. That's the reason why i don't come very often like before. I hope Jeff can banned those haters. They're really killing tickling pics/videos.

 

[jameslee]

I agree that all's been said. Unless I see a response that actually has a point worth responding to, I'm done. I know from experience that all you can do is lay out your argument as best you can and let the people reading the posts decide. You hardly ever get someone who's posting arguments against your view to agree with you. I feel that my most compelling arguments are spelled out cleanly in this thread, and that's all I feel the need to do.

-P

From what i seen you just some spoiled loserish hater. Anyway Myticklingstudio just ignore them. Your clips are AWESOME

 

[samiurai]

Hello, has someone of you other wonderful videos like this? Thanks a lot



😀

 

[samiurai]

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[wendynpeter]

I'm sicken and tired bout them haters running around and post something that really doesn't make sense.

I hate that too. Especially people who enter into a discussion after it's finished ...

 

[isabeau]

well dayyyyyyyyyyyyyum finally i get to view a clip . and i am coming in at the end of this discussion. i dont see what the controversy is. these clips looked ok to me. she did say the f word quite a bit even in a foreign language i could understand that. lol but i have yet to be able to view the tickle torture til she begs for mercy which doesnt come.

isabeau

 

[Droopies]

Novel and nice genre

I like the ticklees. New subjects.

I prefer:

1. mostly feet tickling
2. Bound (that's fine) but cut some slacks at the ankles
3. not necessarily nude (but definitely barefoot)

I suggest too (if I may) to include face pics in the vidcaps. Or maybe a
line up of the models faces in a separate link.

And now for a request (if i may too), how about a preview of the foot tickling segment of the local-dialect-cursing Ann of "Please Stop!!! I'm not Joking"

Great work. Thanks.

 

[MÿTicklingStudios]

NEW Update ADDED

oooh and what a good one it is!

FFM/F Speechless! - Ticklish Rating 10/10

See the first post in this thread for links 🙂