Redmage said:
Hopefully, in the event of such a tragedy, one might actually be able to speak to one's sister or one's children and verify that they were in fact harmed. Ideally one wouldn't take instead the "evidence" of an edited video clip of someone that one didn't even know.
That is, unless one likes jumping to conclusions and writing overly dramatic posts.
I think if I saw my child being molested on videotape, that would be enough for me. These examples are way out of left field, anyway. Let's talk about what we know.
1. We know it isn't doing an already misunderstood community any good to promote real unsafe play and/or criminal fantasies. Purposefully ignoring a safeword is both, because it crosses the line of consent. Nonconsensual activity is both unsafe and criminal.
2. We know that this producer advertises "NO SAFEWORDS."
3. We know that this producer has offered videos for sale that make good on that advertisement.
4. We know that there's a deep, deep lack of understanding about the legalities surrounding this debate. Most of the commentators know nothing about contract or criminal law.
5. We know that the commentators who know nothing about the law assume that they do, and base their opinions on their assumed knowledge.
6. We know that these videos are shot in an area of the world infamous for forced prostitution, human trafficking, sex slavery, etc.
7. We know that these videos are shot in an area of the world where it is illegal to make these videos.
8. We know that we can reasonably conclude from 6 & 7 that women making these sorts of videos in that part of the world would be particularly vulnerable to abuse, because they would lack recourse should things go wrong.
9. We know that while we can't say that the women in the videos were definitely abused, we CAN say that the producers are definitely playing up the likelihood that the nonconsenuality of the videos is real, as opposed to staged. (Hence the claim "No Safewords" -- although I suspect that their ability to fully cash in on that consumer assumption is greatly reduced by the debate in these threads).
10. We know enough to know that our community just doesn't need this kind of material floating around. Some of the more agressive BDSM producers have been struggling with this as well, and are finding that it just isn't worth it. At least one is now surrounded by controversy over crossing the line into criminal and civil liability.
What we know is enough to debate about, without resorting to the wild grasping at straws we've seen in these threads. I mean, I'm pretty sure that if my sister was killed, I would'nt need to check in with her to see if it was consensual. LOL
