Tickle Torture in SE Asia - FREE Movie Thread

[isabeau]

whoohoo you guys dont you know the more you post on this thread, the more advertising you are doing?

isabeau

 

[Redmage]

We don't know that the video was shot in the Phillipines.

Pardon? I thought "we" knew all sorts of things about where it was shot, Peter. Certainly you have a lot to say about that place, wherever it is. You aren't saying that what "we" know isn't certain, are you?

That's not what matters. What matters is whether the hooker is being forced or is doing it of her own free will.

From looking at a lady you can't even tell whether she is a hooker or not. And lacking any information from or about her you certainly can't tell what she's doing willingly. That's the point.

Just because she's speaking a particular language doesn't mean anything.

It means a great deal more than any factual information you have, Peter. We are talking about what we "know," aren't we?

you guys dont you know the more you post on this thread, the more advertising you are doing?

Yep. Fortunately for me, at least, I'm OK with that.

 

[wendynpeter]

Red, by the way -- I never said the women WERE prostitues, I only said that we cannot assume out-of-hand that they are not. And even that wouldn't necessarily be of any concern.

My real concern is that the women are in a situation in which they have no recourse should they be abused. I just don't see how anyone could fault me for that. Clearly if one watches the full version of the video, a concern might arise as to whether the women are being cared for. And given that a) the producer admits to refusal to use safewords and b) refuses to say where the videos are made, I think that's a fair concern. If you don't, that's on you.

 

[MÿTicklingStudios]

lol, thanks Peter.

 

[isabeau]

Red, by the way -- I never said the women WERE prostitues, I only said that we cannot assume out-of-hand that they are not. And even that wouldn't necessarily be of any concern.

My real concern is that the women are in a situation in which they have no recourse should they be abused. I just don't see how anyone could fault me for that. Clearly if one watches the full version of the video, a concern might arise as to whether the women are being cared for. And given that a) the producer admits to refusal to use safewords and b) refuses to say where the videos are made, I think that's a fair concern. If you don't, that's on you.

peter is someone who geniunely cares for the women i can tell. i will take his word for this, and say no more on the matter.

isabeau

 

[sexypapi]

peter is someone who geniunely cares for the women i can tell. i will take his word for this, and say no more on the matter.

isabeau

i think that the conversation on here has gone on far faaaar too long. and its gotten to the point where its just plain BORING.

I check inside this thread once a week just to see, l if its like the energizer bunny.... "STILL GOING"

 

[tkl-pen]

And going and going and going! Who really cares if the women in these clips are prostitutes or housewives or university students or office girls earning money for a future wedding or a trip - all of these women would be ticklish and that's why we watch the clips - anything else is no concern of ours.

The producer has clearly stated that the movies are made in southeast Asia - so what does it matter if its Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, or any other country there - they all have palm trees, they all have cute ticklish girls - and they all have laws that must be complied with. So leave it at that and pick your country of choice if that adds to your enjoyment or chagrin.

All of these girls have recourse if they are mistreated - they all have families and friends to whom they will talk - they don't have to talk to authorities on their own - family members and friends will report any wrongdoing. All of the countries in southeast Asia have rich family traditions and ties - reaching to second and third cousins quite often.

Safewords are not used as per the advertising and the term tickle torture - but I hear the tickler continually ask the girl if she is okay - and there is at least one cameraman and one or two other girls in the room too - so there is a safety net for each girl.

So it comes down to the basics again - if you like what you see watch it - if you don't like it don't watch. And for all of us, including the girls in the clips, the sun will rise again tomorrow and we will move on.

 

[wendynpeter]

All of these girls have recourse if they are mistreated - they all have families and friends to whom they will talk - they don't have to talk to authorities on their own - family members and friends will report any wrongdoing. All of the countries in southeast Asia have rich family traditions and ties - reaching to second and third cousins quite often.

LOL OK, Pen. Now you're just being silly. And naive. How many of the women in these videos do you think has that kind of relationship with their family? Especially in asian culture, don't you think just having appeared in such a video would be enough to get a woman banished from her family? (If it wasn't her family who sold her into the business in the first place?) Besides, it's the reaction from the authorities that's often most lacking -- especially if someone is paying them to look the other way.

 

[MÿTicklingStudios]

You make assumptions on Asian people and the community they live in. What qualifications do you have to make such assumptions, have you ever been to asia?

I don't expect you to answer, although thanks for the bump anyway!

LOL OK, Pen. Now you're just being silly. And naive. How many of the women in these videos do you think has that kind of relationship with their family? Especially in asian culture, don't you think just having appeared in such a video would be enough to get a woman banished from her family? (If it wasn't her family who sold her into the business in the first place?) Besides, it's the reaction from the authorities that's often most lacking -- especially if someone is paying them to look the other way.

 

[isabeau]

may i ask what country these videos were filmed? it just says SE asia, which could be a multitude of places.

isabeau

 

[tkl-pen]

I'm not being silly, Peter - families in rural Thailand once did sell girls into the sex trade - however, Thailand has become very strict about such things and I would hate to face the prosecutor in charge in a court - he is relentless in his pursuit of some of these things - furthermore, throughout s/e asia there are very strong family ties which do not banish women like you suggest - in fact, most women in the sex trade do so to support their families - if you're talking about countries like India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh, then you would be right.

But wow, do you ever have a conspiracy theory here - girls sold into the sex trade, then disowned and banished from their families, while the police look the other way while spending the money they receive from a producer - and all that for the sale of 50 or 60 clips at $ 10.00 each tops.

 

[wendynpeter]

I'm not being silly, Peter - families in rural Thailand once did sell girls into the sex trade - however, Thailand has become very strict about such things and I would hate to face the prosecutor in charge in a court - he is relentless in his pursuit of some of these things - furthermore, throughout s/e asia there are very strong family ties which do not banish women like you suggest - in fact, most women in the sex trade do so to support their families - if you're talking about countries like India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh, then you would be right.

But wow, do you ever have a conspiracy theory here - girls sold into the sex trade, then disowned and banished from their families, while the police look the other way while spending the money they receive from a producer - and all that for the sale of 50 or 60 clips at $ 10.00 each tops.

To repeat: All I'm saying is that there's no reason to treat women the way this producer does, and the fact that the videos are shot in an area of the world where women have very little (if any) recourse only makes it worse. I don't have a problem with women in the sex industry. I have a problem with the sex industry taking advantage of women. There's quite a scandal brewing right here in the US over the tactics of certain producers of BDSM videos. And that's in the US, where there's probably more inherent protection for sex industry workers than anywhere in the world. So when I see a production shot in Southeast asia (where forced prostitution and human traffiking are huge problems, still, today) and it looks like abuse to me, I'm gonna say something. Because I OUGHT to. Because we all ought to care, instead of acting like self-entitled little shitheads who don't care about anything other than their own hard jimmies. If you aren't down with that, that's on you, my brother.

 

[MikeMike]

The Tickling Clips Human Rights Violation Watch Fund

I have given this some considerable thought, and I am going to start a fund that will be set up exclusively for the purpose of preventing the abuse and degradation of women in tickle-torture videos.

The fund will have 2 expenses for which I will need all your help financing.

The first is that, in order to make this happen, I will be reviewing all tickling clips sold by producers of such fare. There are, as best I can estimate, 10 such clips being produced every day, at an average cost of $6 per clip. Meaning that I will need $1800 per month to sufficiently monitor all clips that are being produced.

The second expense the fund will cover will be re-enactments. Once a human rights violation has been discovered, I will document it, and refer it to the United Nations High Commissioner on Human Rights. I will re-enact the violation by bringing the model (or victim, as the case may be) to New York, and demonstrating, in front of the United Nations, that degree to which the victim reviles tickling by re-creating the scene and circumstances in which she was tickled in the first place. This will be done to ensure that the violation identified in the clip in question was genuine, and not the result of acting or special effects. I estimate this expense to come to approximately $2500 per month.

This is an opportunity for all of us in the tickling community to show how much we care about women and human rights. I will be setting up a PayPal account, and posting it on here shortly. For $4300 per month, we can put an end to human rights violations in tickle torture videos.

For those of you who profess to care about women, but don't care enough to put your money where your mouth is by contributing, you can cease your charade. For the rest of us, we can sleep at night knowing that the work we do will make a safer and better world for the tickling models that have given us so much happiness.

I thank you all in advance for the financial support that I am sure the TCHRVWF will enjoy.

 

[wendynpeter]

Hey Mike,

Just out of curiosity, have you seen the full, pay version of the clip in question?

 

[tkl-pen]

Wow, Peter, you have so dug in your heels on this one - you remind me of my wife in that she has two rules -
(1) I am always right, and
(2) when I am wrong, refer to rule 1.

I and others have told you over and over again that there is no abuse in this video, that other girls were there to watch according to our information, that this girl watched other clips being made after hers, and so on. Why not give others some credit for a little knowledge, too.

And please don't resort to name calling - I so hate that aspect of left wing arguments - 'when we are under attack or when we lose, we'll start calling names and they'll back off' - because we on the left are always right. Don't other people know the facts - left is right, and right is wrong.

I am married to a girl from s/e Asia, I am intimately familiar with the ethics, practices and cultures of several countries there, and I can tell you honestly, Peter, I think you're wrong on this one. If I felt that there was abuse or mistreatment, I would be fully behind you. But I don't think there is - I know the language and the body language of the ticklee - sure, she swore and spit and all the rest of it - but she was not angry or apprehensive in any way at the end of that clip - and that tells me clearly, Peter, you are wrong.

 

[MÿTicklingStudios]

and the fact that the videos are shot in an area of the world where women have very little (if any) recourse only makes it worse.

Again, you're making an absolute claim that you say is fact when its not. You're clueless... take Mike up on his offer and put your money where your mouth is... I'd expect you to be the first to donate to such a worthy cause. Especially as, in your opinion there could be cause for concern here.

How much per month will you be donating to the cause you care so much about Peter?

p.s. Mike, if your idea gets off the ground... please let me know and we can talk about how I can help your entity reduce the monthly costs derived from the review of TTSEA material.

*edit: Also to Mike, the running costs of your idea will need recurring funding each month. As a result, I am not sure if Paypal would be the best payment solution as this will only accomodate 'one-off' payments by donators. For those that wish to donate to the ongoing running costs, you may need a solution that can accomodate recurring monthly payments as well. If you need help putting this into place, also let me know and I can point you in the right direction.

 

[MÿTicklingStudios]

may i ask what country these videos were filmed? it just says SE asia, which could be a multitude of places.

isabeau

Shooting takes place in Thailand, Philippines, and Malaysia. FYI, producing adult related content is illegal in each of the respective jurisdictions.

 

[sexypapi]

Shooting takes place in Thailand, Philippines, and Malaysia. FYI, producing adult related content is illegal in each of the respective jurisdictions.

i must say most asian porn (not that im an expert ) comes from philippines and thailand illegal or no...i get the feeling government isnt exactly trying to stamp it out.

 

[wendynpeter]

I am married to a girl from s/e Asia, I am intimately familiar with the ethics, practices and cultures of several countries there, and I can tell you honestly, Peter, I think you're wrong on this one..

So you're saying that this is just the way women are treated there -- common practice, no problem?

 

[tkl-pen]

No, Peter, that's not what I'm saying - all I am saying is that there is no 'abuse' in this clip - care was clearly taken to ensure the girl was okay - and the girl was not angry afterwards - indeed, it appears she stayed and watched the filming of the next clip "Girl With Funny Laugh" (which I expect you have not seen) and laughed at and taunted the ticklee just as she was laughed at and taunted. There was no abuse, Peter.

Furthermore, women are treated better in s/e asia than they are in Canada and the USA - because they are women and not imitations of men - women in North America who want to be truly female, and that is most of them, are denied that opportunity by the feminist lobby and its male cronies. Indeed, if you want some good clips of women abused and treated badly, watch 'cops' on television.

My point only is that this girl according to the producer, the majority of the viewers on this forum, the girl herself (by the things she says and does at the very end of the tape) and the girl who was filmed next (who allowed her shoot to take place after seeing the first one), there was NO ABUSE.

So why do you insist that there was. You keep saying look at the whole clip. I did look at the whole clip and I listened to the things the girl said. Peter, I saw no abuse.

 

[MikeMike]

I was being very sarcastic. I thought it was funny. I guess I was wrong.

 

[wendynpeter]

No, Peter, that's not what I'm saying - all I am saying is that there is no 'abuse' in this clip - care was clearly taken to ensure the girl was okay

Look, if nothing else, let's not bullshit each other. Care was NOT "clearly" taken, or there would be no one saying "wow, that's harsh..." etc. If anything is clear, it's that the video was very obviously not meant to convey care. Quite the opposite -- it was meant to convey a disregard for the woman in it.

 

[Yippie]

If it is illegal in your respective area...... then um .... this might sound absurd ...... but why are you filming then? Why should we not call your country's law enforecment in and turn you in for illegal practice?

 

[Redmage]

Look, if nothing else, let's not bullshit each other. Care was NOT "clearly" taken, or there would be no one saying "wow, that's harsh..." etc. If anything is clear, it's that the video was very obviously not meant to convey care. Quite the opposite -- it was meant to convey a disregard for the woman in it.

I think it's always dangerous to claim to know someone else's intentions, Peter. Most people have a hard enough time getting clear on their own.

Referring to the intensity of the clip doesn't in any way imply that it's abusive. I can show you lots of intense stuff that I personally know for a fact was not abusive, because I either saw it being made or have personal knowledge of the performers and producers.

 

[MikeMike]

If it is illegal in your respective area...... then um .... this might sound absurd ...... but why are you filming then? Why should we not call your country's law enforecment in and turn you in for illegal practice?

You're right. It does sound absurd.

Why don't you try that. You'll certainly hear lots of laughter, but it won't be from tickling.