Tickling Videos Ruining Fetish

[Dirkman]

I don't subscribe to Dirkman's opinion that his tastes are somehow more valid or "honest" than mine. I like what I like. He likes what he likes. Can't we just leave it there? This is supposed to be a community, and communities have diversity of opinion.

Thats totally cool, I respect the fact that we all don't look at this the same way. What I am really trying to do (and as I look at my first post I didn't fire it up too well) is to tell people who DO have these dark fantasies in the back of their heads, that its OK. As long as you have the control to keep fantasy from turning into reality its ALL GOOD!! No one here should think you are an immoral person just because you have immoral fantasies. I think SOME people here (BUT NOT ALL!!!!) try to act "politically correct" and speak out against the kind of stuff I'm talking about, meanwhile denying their true thoughts. I believe they do this out of fear. They are scared people will think that if they like these dark parts of the fetish, people will think they are a perv.

Well I am a perv, and in this place, I am not afraid to admit it. I didn't choose to be a perv, I just am one, and I have a completely normal life outside my little private pervdom and am quite happy. I accept that I have a rare fetish which would be deemed "sick" by mainstream society. So I keep it private, but I do NOT try to justify it in any artificial way by taking out its "negative" attributes such as nonconsentuality (not saying everyone does this!!).

Once again, I do wish that the companies who try to make videos to satisfy the people of this fetish would cater to what *appears* to be a major group from what I've observed.

I hope you all understand what I'm trying to say here, its actually quite hard to say without fucking it up.

 

[Dave2112]

I think we've reached the point here where the difference of opinion is obvious. Also, everyone has gone out of their way to make the point that everyone else's view is ok, BUT...here's mine. The topic is a good one, so let's not argue semantics. There's quite a few of us who like BOTH even.

Dirkman's idea of merging tickling vid with S&M vid is something I've been talking about for a while, and right on with what I mentioned in my earlier post. It's infuriating to see a great bondage scene, fantastic ropework, dark setting, somewhat decnt performance and a position ripe for tickling...and never see it happen. You're sitting there saying to yourself "Now, if I were there..."

On the converse side, there are plenty of tickling vids where our favorite activity is happening...but the bondage is so weak that a parapalegic 80-year-old could get out of it, the dialog is just plain dopey and the tickling faked or close to it.

A combination of the two would be nice.

There's plenty of room in this fetish for more than one kind of video, play, experience and viewpoint.

And Dirk's right on one point...sometimes it's hard to say something without "fucking it up". There are a lot of different perspectives to relate to, and you're going to miss some of them every time.

 

[soleshine]

I don't know how far they could actually go legally, but what I'd really like to see more often from video producers are scenerios that successfully explore the mixture of consent for intimacy with tickling (both consensual and non).

I think it's the combination of consent for intimacy with noncensual tickling that is the rarist to find. I have a video that depicts Ashlee Renee and two other women being stripped, bound, and tickled against their wills (of course the scripts were written so that they were liking it in the end), so I don't think it's that far fetched to ask someone to explore this other compination...a lot farther.

 

[Deleted member 2452]

there are several non-consent videos

as was mentioned ashleyrenee has done a few, the latest being wth tickle hell. that brak away fm company only does videos of the non-consent variety. paradise visin did a goodone were an asian woman is assulted in her home by a pervert who tickles her. the story fom gabby is that the woman didn't realize she was ging to be tickled, so her protesting is real!
i too am offended by couple of the posters coments. i thnk he needs to look out on the street and realize he's not the only person in thew world. i feel the core of tickling is about sexual titilation between 2 adults! i have read the nylon dungeon stories. i was impressed with the writers capabilities. they were vey well done, but i was left feeling dirty, and uncomfortable. so i guess i'mone ofthat huge 1% too.
steve

 

[U.N.Owen]

I completely agree about the nylon dungeon stories. They're well written and well thought-out, but the whole idea makes me, well... uncomfortable.

My fantasy after reading such stories is not to join in the nylon dungeon world, but to lead a squad of law enforcement to crush it and free the women.

I still feel, however, that this is a matter of taste. People who love the n.d. stories aren't going to go out and kidnap women, etc. Fantasy is harmless if it isn't taken seriously. But I'm glad others here also feel turned off by the bleak no-escape world of those stories.

 

[Blackrook]

I suppose it is pointless to ask that we not call tickling a fetish...

I know we have been over this territory many times. So I won't belabor it. My position is that it isn't in our collective interest to refer to tickling as a fetish. A fetish, as I understand it, is type of paraphilia (class of mental disorders) involving an object (a foot, shoe, etc.). And since tickling involves an activity, it seems to me we have an out. Yes, there can be more than one definition. But with the stigma the term "fetish" carries, why would we want to use that term over a more neutral term like interest or activity. I just don't understand it.

Rook

 

[U.N.Owen]

Actually, though it hadn't occurred to me to mention it, you're right: tickling isn't a fetish. Almost everyone has their own particular turn-on: tickling is one of many, and a perfectly innocent one, as I see it. Fetishism implies a monomaniacal focus on a normally non-sexual object or body-part. Tickling, on the other hand, is almost universal in sexual relationships. We just happen to focus on it more.

 

[Dirkman]

Re: I suppose it is pointless to ask that we not call tickling a fetish...

I know we have been over this territory many times. So I won't belabor it. My position is that it isn't in our collective interest to refer to tickling as a fetish. A fetish, as I understand it, is type of paraphilia (class of mental disorders) involving an object (a foot, shoe, etc.). And since tickling involves an activity, it seems to me we have an out. Yes, there can be more than one definition. But with the stigma the term "fetish" carries, why would we want to use that term over a more neutral term like interest or activity. I just don't understand it.
Rook

Oh please. Have you ever masturbated to the thought of tickling? This is a fetish my friend, and I don't care if the mainstream has a "stigma" about the word, its what I have and given that you're here, I'll bet you have one too. My grandfather collects rare coins, that is an interest. I like to play golf on Sundays. That is an activity. Before I make love to my girlfriend, I often like to tie her up and tickle her. That is a fetish. Fetishes do NOT have to be with an object such as a foot or a shoe. It is anything that a person needs for sexual arousal that does not fall into the category of regular old sex. And while mainstream may see a fetish as a disorder, you and I know that it is simply an abnormal occurance that just happens. Did you choose to be into tickling or do you remember just digging it? It appears to me that you may have a fear of being thought of as "weird" or "mentally disordered" and although I only know you from one simple post, you might feel ashamed that you have this sexual interest in tickling and you are trying to excuse it as a mere "interest". I believe if you think more about you may realize that it is much more then that. Join the proud pervs.
Dirk

 

[Blackrook]

No I don't have a fetish

I don't have a fetish because I don't have a mental disorder. Even the tickling that a person practices arises to the level of paraphilia (which many or most don't) that involves embarrassment or power over another, it still doesn't involve an object per se (it's possible for one to have a fetish and other paraphilias at the same time). So, I'm not excusing tickling by calling it an activity or interest. Rather, I am trying to describe it rationally. Read the DSM-IV that social workers use to diagnose and treat mental disorders. Read the definitions of paraphilia and fetish. See if that affects your opinion. One more thing. I don't mind discussing this issue. But, I would appreciate it if you speak for yourself. Don't tell me what you think I have or don't have. You don't know me. Let's leave it at that.

Rook

 

[TicklingDuo]

fetish or not?

This thread has brought up a lot of good topics. The question of whether or not to refer to this as a fetish may be one of them. We have agreed to disagree and recognize the differences in tastes. I guess it's time to do the same with the term fetish. While, according to the technical deffinition of the word, this is not an actual fetish, many have come to use the word more loosely. Frankly, I don't have a problem with that. When refering to our love of tickling, each individual is entitled to refer to it as he/she wishes. There's really no reason to argue about it. All we have to do is remind ourselves that this is the word that some use to refer to (fill in the blank with our own prefered term).

just my

Ann

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Damn....

I classify the tickling thing as more of a kink then a fetish. The main difference is that a kink more normally involves activities, such as S&M and the like unless of course it revolves around tickling a specific area of the body like the feet....in which case its probably more of a foot fetish mixed with the tickling kink....hmm. As for the consentuality issue, it is personally so much more of a turn on when I know my girlfriend likes it when I tickle her, the torture aspect just doesnt do anything for me......

 

[jason19tk]

Re: Seraph777

Anyway... And Like JoBelle said... sure I would like to strap a guy up and tickle him senseless... but this is all fantasy.

Until I decide to visit Atlanta again. (went there when I was 12 to visit my grandparents..they're down here in Louisiana now. ) Being tickled senseless would be alot less scary for me than those damn Six Flags rides. lol

Oh, speakin of that....I read that Six Flags bought one of Louisian's amusement parks. Yaaay, we're gonna get a Six Flags! (hope it's a waterpark kind, cause i love the waterslides. lol)

Guess I'd better start lookin for good hotels in Atlanta, so I can get the sh** tickled outta me. 😀

 

[Sunriseticklee]

Re: Re: Seraph777

Until I decide to visit Atlanta again. (went there when I was 12 to visit my grandparents..they're down here in Louisiana now. ) Being tickled senseless would be alot less scary for me than those damn Six Flags rides. lol

Oh, speakin of that....I read that Six Flags bought one of Louisian's amusement parks. Yaaay, we're gonna get a Six Flags! (hope it's a waterpark kind, cause i love the waterslides. lol)

Guess I'd better start lookin for good hotels in Atlanta, so I can get the sh** tickled outta me. 😀

Sigh... I have always had intense fantasies of being tickled on the Scream Machine at Six Flags in Atlanta.

A good tickling would be the ONLY thing that would make me agree to get on that damn ride. I am soooooooooo afraid of heights!

Until I find the right person to do it... LOL
Live, Laugh, and TICKLE!
Sunriseticklee


Living proof of a person who loves and can have tickling without sex... which sort of destroys said Fetish Theory. Course it doesn't matter how many times we explain it or break it down... You describe tickling to someone who doesn't know anything about it... and almost everyone will classify it as a tickling "fetish". It doesn't even bother me. After all.. What do they know about who I am, really?
And as long as you are not trying to destroy or hurt others... to each his own!

 

[Neutron]

The Sarcastic Cynic In Me...

Can't help but wonder why you put so much thought into whether it's a fetish or not?

Still an excellent thread.

Be Safe


Tron

 

[TicklingDuo]

Re:

The Sarcastic Cynic In Me...Can't help but wonder why you put so much thought into whether it's a fetish or not?
Tron

Tron sarcastic??? Tron cynic???

Warning! Warning! Does not compute, Will Robinson.

Sorry Tron....That's just the smartass in me that likes to tease everyone I get every chance I get! hee hee 😛

Ann

 

[Neutron]

Well Ann..

On my more cantankerous days I've been known to be both. 🙂


Tron

 

[WallStreet]

My impression of the guy that started this thread is that he prefers non-consentual tickling. If this is the case, then he should purchase Marco's RenFair tapes. He tickles several unsuspecting beauties without consent. This will certainly give you a new appreciation for Tickling captured on film.
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Just because there's alot of porn out there doesn't mean that people are getting sick of having sex. The same goes for tickling.

 

[Dirkman]

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Just because there's alot of porn out there doesn't mean that people are getting sick of having sex. The same goes for tickling.

Yes but this misunderstands my point. My point was that almost all tickling videos (I'll have to check out those renfair things, thanks) have a happy, VERY consentual mood to them. In my opinion, this happy consentual feeling between the tickler and ticklee takes away the excitement, mystery, and eroticism that attracts me to this FETISH. That is why I said that after years of watching videos that don't have that erotic vibe that you read in almost every "tickling story", I'm getting a little down on my tickling mojo. I was hoping that tickling video companies could try to make at least a few more tapes that mimmiced the S&M videos, with their acted out "plots" of nonconsentual bondage and torture. I think while it doesn't appear that *too* many people are backing me up on this, those that I've talked to OUT of this forum have almost always admitted to liking this sort of thing. But still, its not very *PC* to say that you like nonconsentual tickling. I've never been PC.
Dirk

 

[Deleted member 2452]

dirk, it's good you know yourself...

... and your likes. it's also admirable the you recognise
that tickling for you is fetish.
i, on the other hand, don't have a tickling fetish. i don't need tickling to achive orgasms while engaged in sexual intercourse. thats what a fetish is you know.
i do find tickling to be highly sexual. but need it? nope.
you keep saying that you are not p.c., well join the club! no one could ever accuse me of being p.c., lol!
as i said before to you, i believe you need to look out the window and realize that you aren't the only person out here. for you tickling is best when non-consentual, for me it's best when consentual. you find "my kind of tickling" boring. i find "your kind" dark, and disturbing.
dirk can you tell me something? do you like laughter? for me this is the main thing with tickling, the sound of the laughter it produces. i get the feeling this is not the case for you?
my only complaint with your side of this debate is that you seem to not be able to believe that others don't agree with your opinions deep inside. you think we are all either cowards, or p.c.. actually, we are just different.
steve

 

[jason19tk]

Re: Re: Re: Seraph777

Sigh... I have always had intense fantasies of being tickled on the Scream Machine at Six Flags in Atlanta.

A good tickling would be the ONLY thing that would make me agree to get on that damn ride. I am soooooooooo afraid of heights!

lol Heights scare the sh** outta me. But I'd actually be willing to go on one if I can get a good tickling in.

In fact, I'll probably get some tickling in next summer...told some of my friends that I'm actually plannin to visit em next summer..they thought that was cool...and they all know how much I like tickling/being tickled. I'm lookin forward to meetin all of em, especially my one friend in FL...might be fun to be buried in the sand, with only feet stickin out...and mercilessly tickled. 😀

 

[Dirkman]

Re: dirk, it's good you know yourself...

...
my only complaint with your side of this debate is that you seem to not be able to believe that others don't agree with your opinions deep inside. you think we are all either cowards, or p.c.. actually, we are just different.
steve

No no, I believe it. As I said before, I am perfectly cool with the fact that people dig "this thing of ours" in a variety of different ways. I don't think anyone is a coward, but I do believe that SOME people who like the "darker" side of this "thing" (I won't say fetish anymore, you guys win on that one) may fear to admit so, not just to others, but maybe even to themselves. There was a time where I was one of these people and I tried to deny that I had a fascination with dominance and bondage and tickling because the mainstream world had taught me that thoughts like this are "sick". But then I realized that I can't change the way I think, and I learned to both seperate fantasy from reality, and accept what I am. Now many many many people here are obviously VERY comfortable with who they are but you also have to look at the fact that there are probably a lot who are NOT.

So what have we learned?
1. Dirk doesn't think you are a coward if you like consentual tickling.
B. Dirk does however believe that there are more "unspoken" people on the dark side of this thing of ours. (sorry just saw Star Wars and the John Gotti story the last two nights)
Last.) I feel that there should be some more videos representing the lovers of the dark side stuff. PEACE
Dirk

 

[Dave2112]

Well said, Dirk. Sometimes it helps to be concise.

I think things might have gone off on a tangent on this thread, but we all seem to agree on a few things, escpecially everyone's right to a different opinion.

We use the term fetish around here a lot. Now, it may not be the Webster's exact version of the word, but we all know that meaning and choose to use it in this context anyway. We're comfortable with it, no harm done. It's hard enough having this "thing" sometimes without having to argue over what word to use.

There are those who like playful tickling. There are those who like non-consensual fantasies and would like to see them portrayed in video. There are those who like both. That's what this community is all about, accepting each other's quirks and sharing with each other.

I agree that there are a lot who might fantasize about the darker side of tickling, but may not say so for whatever reason. There's no right or wrong in this thing of ours. 😎

 

[NYCity]

We use the term fetish around here a lot. Now, it may not be the Webster's exact version of the word, but we all know that meaning and choose to use it in this context anyway. We're comfortable with it, no harm done. It's hard enough having this "thing" sometimes without having to argue over what word to use.

😎

Wow. Looking back over this long thread, I think it was my post that first used the word "fetish" and that seems to have struck a nerve with some people (and not in the way that we all like!) and that's not what I intended, so let me explain. Personally, I use the word "fetish" simply because it's more expedient than typing "this thing of ours" or "our pastime of choice". I hope everyone realizes what Dave said, that, there is "no harm done" because I will probably continue to use the term. Can't we all just get along?

 

[Oddjob0226]

Wow- I gotta credit the guy for being brave and stepping out there. And being honest. If I can summon up the guts, here's my turn.....


"Tickle torture" scenarious were my first fantasies as well, and still my best ones. I like and enjoy plaful tickling, and would actually like to see more affection ( kissing and sweet talk) in some of the videos out there.....

But

I am a human and as such I am not all good. There is that part of me, the glancing-at-a car-wreck side that does want to witness, even perform, nonconscentual tickling. Partly out of sadism, partly out of curiosity- what does it look like? How far is too far? And yes, I might whisper it secretly, shhhh... don't tell anyone- Imight even be willing to undergo such treatment with someone I know. I don't mean kidnapping by strangersor any such thing, but I've always been curious about myself in 2areas - 1. If I was being tickled for information, and I don't mean like some kind of fun, gigly thing like saying a secret word, but if I had something really useful to someone but didn't want to divulge it, under tickling- would I? How long would I last? Waht would it be like? Worse (for me) waht if I was being tickled for the shee sadistic joy of the tickler, and have nothing to offer for respite? Again, what would that be like? how far would be too far? how would it end? I brought this up once with a woman from San Antonio I was speaking with over the phone - If she was really being tickled- for real tickle torture - yould she "break" And she answered yes. But would she be willing ti cikcle someone for hours, even days, if they consented to such treatment and gave up the free will to stop the tickling. She answered yes to that, too. I really don't thin we are alone out there.

As far as being "sick" goes, is that word being used in a sarcastic sense, or is it used in a true patholigical sense that there is something wrong ( and, potentially could be fixed?)

Now, WOULD I ever do such a thing to someone? Would i kidnap someon off the street and tickle them? NO! But I have to answer honestly - If I were to see a true toture tickling video tape, O dnon't know if I'd contact authrities or not. I like to think I would. However - I would indee WATCh the tape in shocked fascination. I'm not proud of this - in fact, I don't know if it's even 100% true/ But I am being honest. Would I ever tickle someone cruelly for revenge or for information? Well, we're all supposed to ay know.... but, If my friends or family were htreatened and I knew it would work.... who knows what I'd do. I really think that I could do it, to , say, a Hamas or Islamic Jihad cuite, to be honest, current things as they are. I wouldn't go beyond getting the info needed, & I'd try darn hard not to get caught. Also, I'd probably have terrible guilt feelings later, but I can't say I absoultly wouldn't do it, and enjoy it if only for the moment.

So there you go. In my life I have room for "both" kids of tickling. And, at least, when it comes to REAL tickle torture, I am at least willing to explore both the lerr and lee side, not just the ler, so there is some balance there. But I',m still more of a ler, and, while Dr. Jekyl is firmly in charge, it's not like he's unaware of Mr. Hyde. And Mr. Hyde isn't just a figment of his imagination - he's real.

But I would NEVER subject anyone to a Pauly Shore film festival, a gansta rap marathon, or the Pucci print revival (I do video work in an apparel mart... it's coming back, I've seen it....)

 

[Oddjob0226]

I just re-read my last post. Is there any good way to spell check what's being written? I'm so embarrased! & my computer doesn't do it automatically, least I can't get it to.