What do you really want to see in a C4S store?

[SonnyFuji]

I'd love to see a Tickle Box invented by someone......well.....inventive aaaaaand talented when it comes to woodwork. A small(ish) sturdy cube-shaped contraption that a hideously ticklish person can be crumpled into - on their backs with their knees comfortably but immovably close to their chest. There would be a padded neck-hole in the side that the ticklee's head would protrude from, and two padded ankle holes cut into the lid so that both bare feet would be utterly helpless for the most thorough tickling they have ever experienced. Of course, there is also the possibility of tying the toes back for an even more extreme tickle torment.
I'd love to be the tickler of a foot-ticklish female in this predicament BUT id also rather like to find out how i'd handle being at the mercy of a devilish female ler. If done in a teasing, playful yet merciless way.........well, id be interested to find out what happens. I get images of fruitless struggles and mass panicked hysteria whenever i contemplate it. :stickout

 

[juanmiller]

The way I'm familiar with BDSM vids they have an intro interview, lots of action, and then post-interview. Include some of that in the preview so people chill out. Better yet, have two previews - one of the action, and another of the interview, so people get perspective.

This makes perfect sense. If producers are concerned about people worrying the sub was harmed, an exit interview is really all they have to provide to put that to rest.

I like hard stuff, depending on my mood. There is very little hard tickling available, as compared to hard BDSM of other varieties. I understand the concern that it might not be successful from a business standpoint (though I personally think it would be popular enough to make it profitable), but the only way to ensure that you don't sell any of your product is not to make it available for sale.

 

[nolongerhere]

And anyone who has ever seen someone who is realy ticklish on there feet, you dont have to use a brush.

True true, but if you have ever actually used a brush on more than a few people, on some people it makes a world of difference. Some people cant be tickled with hard touches, some people cant be tickled with light touches, some it doesn't matter how theyr'e touched. Ive personally experienced girls laugh the same way all around no matter what was used, experienced girls do nothing if you tickled any bit hard, but if you start to barely touch them they go crazy, and Ive also experienced girls laugh lightly or not at all with a feather, laugh more so with fingers, and then if you use a brush on their feet they go crazy. From my personal experience at least if a person is very ticklish to medium / harder touches, hair brushes feel a lot more intense and get way better reactions than just fingers - just basing this on personal experience and opinion of the women Ive tickled.

 

[Kujman1]

I'd love to see a Tickle Box invented by someone......well.....inventive aaaaaand talented when it comes to woodwork. A small(ish) sturdy cube-shaped contraption that a hideously ticklish person can be crumpled into - on their backs with their knees comfortably but immovably close to their chest. There would be a padded neck-hole in the side that the ticklee's head would protrude from, and two padded ankle holes cut into the lid so that both bare feet would be utterly helpless for the most thorough tickling they have ever experienced. Of course, there is also the possibility of tying the toes back for an even more extreme tickle torment....

As many know, I've already designed and made such devices (bondage crates, various stocks, shock boxes, etc) starting back in the early 80's. However the bondage was deemed too 'extreme' for the TK world, who seem to prefer loose, wobbly stocks and even looser rigging... where I assume in their eyes the victim can escape anytime they so choose.

 

[SonnyFuji]

Fantastic! Is there any possibility of gaining access to some images of these wonderful creations?🙂

 

[bosccco]

What I wanna see in a clips store???.....anything made by you!!!

 

[Devillord]

Fantastic! Is there any possibility of gaining access to some images of these wonderful creations?

Ditto

What I wanna see in a clips store???.....anything made by you!!!

Ditto again

 

[Kujman1]

Fantastic! Is there any possibility of gaining access to some images of these wonderful creations?🙂

Over Summer and into Fall we pulled some of these devices back out of storage and did some filming- bedrack, a couple flander's benches, mummy case, marble urn stocks, bondage crates, the wall o' feet I use for sorority initiations, westfield stocks, tickleshock box (in fact I was just takling about that one on another thread here)... some things I made for INSEX too... etc.. but by all accounts from those in the know, and from what we see of the overly consensual TK world and the material it 'allows', it would still be too extreme for 90% of the people and only draw fire. Thus the reason for this thread- we are considering. But only a small handful would seek this type of reality film.

Reason being, has anyone noticed there seems to be a breakdown in the English language online? Everywhere I look I see TK vids and clips with catchy desciptions/titles of 'true intense torture' etc etc.. you've read them all ... but it never lives up to it's name at all, nor anything even close to the dictionary meaning of such words.

So.. what would we call ours? Supersonic Ultratruistic Semi-nonconsensual Torturous Events? :blink

I feel any title with the word Tickling in the description would be a waste and lumped into the pile of other junk out there. TK vids have become the butt of jokes in the fetish world. There's 1000's of sites now.

When we call it 'torture, 'intense', or such tickling-as-torment titles to describe the action... it really is such. Even the sand burying ones are intense! The plaster mummifications. Totally immobile bondage, taut toes, stretched limbs. These aren't paid models. No faked laughter or fake panic. There are no safewords nor any way out- that's why it's torture. It's safe... but torture. It's a roller coaster ride you're on that you don't have control of the brakes upon. As it should be...

But, sadly, not what this particular fetish can handle.

And honestly, even though it has been suggested that bdsm folks would buy them.. in reality, bdsm communities (of which I'm a part of) are not interested in tickling and do not see it as any serious torment. For them I indulge in many other 'things' already.

This leaves us in quite a quandary; No matter what we would title ours, they would be lumped into the same lousy category as those other films. Given how those films don't sell well, that's a fate worse than death.

What they should do is have a new classification system using proper titles and correct descriptions and call those other films "fantasy ticklings"- some should be labled "tickleporn"- and reality bdsm ticklings "reality ticklings" and so forth... so that they don't all get lumped together with the same titles.

But I'll not hold my breath.

We remain in limbo... :huh

 

[birdburdy]

So.. what would we call ours? Supersonic Ultratruistic Semi-nonconsensual Torturous Events? :blink

Or a more artistic sounding name.

And honestly, even though it has been suggested that bdsm folks would buy them.. in reality, bdsm communities (of which I'm a part of) are not interested in tickling and do not see it as any serious torment. For them I indulge in many other 'things' already.

This isn't correct. I'm go to scene events in the UK and tickling comes up among BDSMers quite often, along with jokes like "well you've got to find some way to test she can't get out". Some bottoms consider it the ultimate punishment.
http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/276444/
http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/285618/1
http://www.informedconsent.co.uk/posts/286467/

 

[stroker]

I dont think that what we call the real deal is really that much of an issue .I am old enough to remember when the tamest of straight porn was labeled as Hard full frontal, triple XXX etc etc when the best you would get was a flash of pubic hair .but over time the quality improved as producers with the talent and balls to do so pushed back the boundaries, established reputations for themselves and set new industry standards.The rest had to either follow or die. Their is no reason why this cannot happen here, as in any industry if a quality product appears (and sells) their will be no shortage of copyists and band wagon jumpers trying to match or outdo the original .Yes this will certainly produce a lot of garbage but in amongst it their should be some fledgling innovators producing enough gems to keep the whole genre moving forward.

 

[Kujman1]

This isn't correct. I'm go to scene events in the UK and tickling comes up among BDSMers quite often, along with jokes like "well you've got to find some way to test she can't get out". Some bottoms consider it the ultimate punishment.

Well actually, that does prove me correct: they treat it as a joke... with levity- not a torture. Nothing mental. There's no scene built around it nor is it acted upon. They don't see past the childish approach to it, just as the majority of the world sees it.

I've been part of the hardcore scene underground for many years and in all this time I've only ever seen perhaps three other tops approach it as I would, with headspace, mental panic, fear, bondage.. and as a torture unto itself. The rest treat it as a silly sideshow.

I do admit they looooove my flander's bench, the approach, the scene set up, the mental approach, the bondage... but... if they don't see the ass spanked then it's a lost cause to them. It's just not their thing.

 

[babinsky1]

Just call them...."Kujman"...
They'll spread like wild fire..

 

[UBU]

So.. what would we call ours? Supersonic Ultratruistic Semi-nonconsensual Torturous Events?

Kujman1​

Can I get an "-expialidocious" with that? E-mail me your Frabjous Day Specials?

I never knew there were so many people out there whose tastes overlap mine. I'll define "never" -- over thirty years of adult life.

New as it all is to me, I will hew to the positive. I need two things.

I love story, including sub-text. There are a few sites such as Tickle Chicks. I don't know Addie or Psymon, but I get a glimpse of their public lives and relationships. I get a sense that Addie is not so much ticklish at times as she is amused. That sense of wryness, not overused, is just as unguarded and engaging as any sudden burst of unrestrained laughter.

But it doesn't take a village. Show me a relationship between two quirky personalities. Show me how they mesh, how they clash. Tickling is about the exchange of power in relationships, right? Hand me a surprise once in a while. Treat yourself to a "Betcha-never-saw-that-coming" moment. I have twenty novels by one author, ten by another, and six or seven by many. Open a question for every one that you close.

I also need to see the flesh move. Spider fingers, feathers, tools, bah! HUMBUG! -- I know about the surface reaction. I also know that it produces goose flesh, shivers, sudden inhalation and lots of other reactions that are riveting to see. I also know that they don't by a fraction come across in video.

When the skin moves across the fiber of the large muscle and the pretty girl laughs with abandon, it fills the narrow two-sense pipeline that is the whole slender capacity of a simple camera. All I want is all I can ask for.

"Tell me a story." I wonder how those words sounded in the firelight at the cave's mouth three hundred thousand years ago. An impulse that old only gains in strength over time.

 

[ghosthunter0]

Over Summer and into Fall we pulled some of these devices back out of storage and did some filming- bedrack, a couple flander's benches, mummy case, marble urn stocks, bondage crates, the wall o' feet I use for sorority initiations, westfield stocks, tickleshock box (in fact I was just takling about that one on another thread here)... some things I made for INSEX too... etc..

My surprise that you worked on Insex hovers somewhere in the range of "No kidding" to "Why am I not surprised" BUT comes the big question... which ones are yours? You didn't have a hand in the deliciously mind-f*cking video Turkeys did you? That has to be the hottest, most deliciously evil video I've ever seen.

But only a small handful would seek this type of reality film.

((Hand shoots in the air)) Ohh! Ohh! That's me! Can I pre-order? (Joking aside, if you were announcing that you were going to release 5 videos in the next year I'd send you a check in the mail first thing Monday for the cost of all 5)

Reason being, has anyone noticed there seems to be a breakdown in the English language online? Everywhere I look I see TK vids and clips with catchy desciptions/titles of 'true intense torture' etc etc.. you've read them all ... but it never lives up to it's name at all, nor anything even close to the dictionary meaning of such words.

I've noticed this too, and quite frankly treat that with the same respect as signs in the windows of dirty looking diners which say "World's best cup of coffee".

I feel any title with the word Tickling in the description would be a waste and lumped into the pile of other junk out there. TK vids have become the butt of jokes in the fetish world. There's 1000's of sites now.

Not everyone goes to the best restaurants either, but the small number of people that do go there remember it and go back as often as they can.

But, sadly, not what this particular fetish can handle.

I respectfully call BS on this. I'll even spot you most people not being able to handle it, though truth be told I think it's just a very vocal minority who can't handle it.

And honestly, even though it has been suggested that bdsm folks would buy them.. in reality, bdsm communities (of which I'm a part of) are not interested in tickling and do not see it as any serious torment. For them I indulge in many other 'things' already.

Again, I disagree. I went to a floating world back in... probably '06 where a dom had his lady chained inside his coffin and was mentally tormenting her, whispering in her ear as she lay blindfolded how people were lining up to torture her, and catcalling the audience to "show her a good time!"

... I need to go back to that event again.

This leaves us in quite a quandary; No matter what we would title ours, they would be lumped into the same lousy category as those other films. Given how those films don't sell well, that's a fate worse than death.

We remain in limbo... :huh

I'll pay the plenary indulgence to get you out of limbo...

 

[ma_shadow]

Kujman, you are just in the wrong place at the wrong time. There is a perfectly great falaka and feet torture forum out there you can join and promote your work, and you won't get flamed or anything like that. All the contrary, you would probably be less than common household.

And I have seen real hard bastinado videos in c4s, I don't think they will shut you down for some nasty tickling.

Now come on, where can I get your old sorority videos? I can't find them anywhere here in the forum anymore. I hope you produce bastinado videos in the near future too! And other foot tortures too!. Can I contact you for a custom shot?

Regards!

 

[ghosthunter0]

Where would that be, exactly? I'm missing out!

 

[tkl]

Really frantic

By the end of this tickling session the girl is really frantic and overwhelmed, so meets the criteria that many of you said you are looking for. Enjoy!
http://www.xvideos.com/video556186/_tickling_silvercherrys_tammy_s_cruel_tickle

 

[birdburdy]

By the end of this tickling session the girl is really frantic and overwhelmed, so meets the criteria that many of you said you are looking for. Enjoy!
http://www.xvideos.com/video556186/_tickling_silvercherrys_tammy_s_cruel_tickle

I just watched the video. Lovely amazing cute girl, some ok tickling but I wouldn't call it particularly intense.

The bondage was rubbish, she's moving around far too much. If the tickling was intense she'd have toppled the bench over by putting on her weight to one side. The wrist straps are inadequate, she could flip herself onto her front and if she was really desperately trying to get away from the tickling she'd have tried this. When someone is being really intensely tickled they'll usually try stupid things in vain to get away from the tickling. She is more or less lying there and taking it.

For me the biggest flaw of this film was the setup. It was basically some pretty girl strapped to an exercise bench in some guy's front room. There's no buildup, no story. Why was she there? What is her relationship with that guy? I imagine she's there to make money being lightly tickled and he's the guy who is tickling and paying her... hang on that's reality... so where's the fantasy?

There's nothing stopping me from doing what's in that video tomorrow, and if people can do this for real then why do they pay just to watch it? I believe we should be able to learn something new from each TK / bondage / BDSM video.

 

[nolongerhere]

Well I watched this video and there is no way that girl was gonna be able to flip on her stomach.. and thats a massage table, its not going to flip over. Would it have been cooler if she was completely immobile, maybe (for me yes) but thats personal taste. I wouldnt call it intense either though, seemed to stop before it was pushed to that point, shes quite ticklish though, even with the light tickling, but then you'd also have to have a much longer video - which I don't think people buy - so unless your friends are gonna do a video with you for free....

But also, I think what people think is intense varies person to person, Im sure there is a lot of people who would think that was intense, and they would feel anything more is too intense (I am not one of them, I enjoy watching people pushed for longer) so then there are obviousy people (most in this thread) that feel videos are not intense enough. So its just opinion anad personal taste.

I dont think most people are stupid, and believe videos labled "torture" "intense" etc. really are when the models not getting panicked, screaming, etc. But like has been mentioned, it has just been kinda acclimated into marketing of videos.

Whether all videos are labeled intense, torture, what not, people will know a real one when they see it, so labeling isnt really an issue.

what Id like to point out here (not for the video) is,

is it REALLY torture for a member of the bdsm community to be tortured, when infact they take a pleasure out of the torture they are put through? Could it be intense? Of course it could.

Or is it not really torture for a paid model, who doesn't really like being tickled, but is just doing it for the money, to tolerate it (and keep a smile on her face to appeal to the soft ticklers that need to see this to be happy) so she gets paid? Could the model that doesn't really like it one bit but tolerates it for money feel its intense? Of course. Oh, and as far as I know, these playful tickle videos do not actually last 5 minutes, they last an hour +, but for sales standpoint I think producers just make multiple short videos in succession to be released at different dates, which would mean these models are put through a little more than is being made out.

Ive known women that loved being tortured, and wanted it pushed harder and harder, and even though they appeared to be in agony, they really loved it.

but...

Ive also known women that absolutely hated anything like tickling and especially a little pain, so if they were subjected for even a few minutes they'd be in absolute misery for those minutes and cry.

Hmmm, bdsm member engaging in very torturous activities but taking some pleasure and gratification out of it, or paid model that really doesn't enjoy it at all but is putting up with it for money...

and last I heard there wasnt a time limit that makes something torture or not... you can torture someone for a minute, you can torture them for 3 years...

I know I know, you'll all just tell me the paid model is faking it and not really ticklish, and w/e I dont care. In some instances its true but mostly its BS to me. Your right though, probably is NOT (MOST AREN'T) intense, but like I said - Im not talking about intensity, Im just referring to whether its really torture based on what the participants are taking out of it in each particular instance.

Nevertheless, tortorous videos are cool to watch

but I think the only REAL torture would be on someone who really has no S&M tendencies (so not taking any pleasure from being tortured) or something non-consensual; either full (person is coerced into the situation at risk of failing something, etc. or just forced) or semi (like pushing a person beyond what they wanted to go and not stopping when they say), which in either case would be really hard to achieve (for a video that's going to be sold) because you would need releases and ID's from the victim.. and how would they provide if it wasn't consensual, unless they are friends? conundrum.

Does this all mean I don't like videos of victims put through extremely intense situations, NO I very much do enjoy them.

 

[birdburdy]

Well I watched this video and there is no way that girl was gonna be able to flip on her stomach.. and thats a massage table, its not going to flip over.

Well it not fully on-topic with this thread, but it has got some relevance. She could probably flip onto her stomach by crossing her arms and legs. Also because of how loose the bondage is, if she jerked all her weight to one side of the table (part of her body could actually hang over the side of the table) toppling would be a real risk.

But also, I think what people think is intense varies person to person, Im sure there is a lot of people who would think that was intense, and they would feel anything more is too intense (I am not one of them, I enjoy watching people pushed for longer) so then there are obviousy people (most in this thread) that feel videos are not intense enough. So its just opinion anad personal taste.

It's not just opinion and taste... there is an element of fact to it too. As an analogy, if I think driving at 40 kph is intense that doesn't make it so (and I might even expect some racing driver to laugh about it).

Six years ago I might have thought that video was intense, I'd certainly have enjoyed watching it. Nowadays it's different though: that video was actually a chore to watch.

is it REALLY torture for a member of the bdsm community to be tortured, when infact they take a pleasure out of the torture they are put through? Could it be intense? Of course it could.

There's a joke you might have heard:
A masochist meets a sadist in a bar and say "hit me". The sadist says, "no".

Speaking as someone who participates in what you'd call BDSM activities (outside of tickling) I'd say there are very few submissives you actually physically enjoy pain. Most fear is just like 'nilla people. The enjoyment bit often comes after the pain.

 

[Kujman1]

 

[whistler1]

Here's another vote for you to do this Kuj. Yes I have bought those clips you describe... some good, most bad but that it all that's on offer. If you had a C4S store it would be my first port of call.

This thread only has one negative comment, everyone else is supportive. Don't let the few haters destroy the dreams of the many!

 

[tickleurpits]

Quote: Originally Posted by tkl
I sometimes wonder if this Kujman's fetish is really about teasing and competing and fighting with other ticklers. His posts are always about how he's more of a bad-ass tickler than anyone else out there and how he has this great material but he's not going to show it to anyone. Enough already.
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i agree with you 1000000 percent dude. he will never open a store and he knows it. just like when he had that ticklepalace website and it wasgoing to be all interactive and have all this tickling stuff behind doors. than what ahppens, all of a sudden "hackers hacked it, and he got fed up. whatever

 

[ghosthunter0]

Pits, I'm going to let you in on a little secret.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MASTER TICKLER.

No, I mean it. There's nothing special to tickling once you get past a certain point- certain techniques are reusable for people, and people are ticklish on slightly different spots. Find them, use techniques, rinse, repeat. What makes Kuj's work special is the circumstances that he places people in; how he crawls inside and wraps them up in a mind fuck of beautiful proportions.

Sound unique? It's NOT! It's hardly common either, but anyone who has seen a good-or-better Dominant or Dominatrix work knows that it's a technique that can be learned. There, however, there is a TON of room for skill and growth and THAT is what really makes KJ unique.

 

[tickleurpits]

Pits, I'm going to let you in on a little secret.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MASTER TICKLER.

No, I mean it. There's nothing special to tickling once you get past a certain point- certain techniques are reusable for people, and people are ticklish on slightly different spots. Find them, use techniques, rinse, repeat. What makes Kuj's work special is the circumstances that he places people in; how he crawls inside and wraps them up in a mind fuck of beautiful proportions.

Sound unique? It's NOT! It's hardly common either, but anyone who has seen a good-or-better Dominant or Dominatrix work knows that it's a technique that can be learned. There, however, there is a TON of room for skill and growth and THAT is what really makes KJ unique.

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i didnt say he was a master tickler, i took somebody elses quote, if you reread my post, the master tickler statement was made by a dude called TKL. i was just saying he will never sell his stuff and he knows it.