What do you really want to see in a C4S store?

[bphbph1]

Have you considered using a streaming video model a la hotmovies? I know that screen capture programs could still cause piracy, but it would make it a lot harder.

 

[birdburdy]

Ah, young Jedi... you lack belief. This is why you fail.

It will come, and mark these words- it's right around the corner. read my other posts.

The problem with digital security is that we don't live in a digital world. While you can encrypt streams of digital music and video to make it extremely difficult to copy, you can't do anything about the customer using an analogue recording device, e.g. pointing a camera at the computer screen, or even capturing VGA data as it comes out of the GPU to the monitor.

All you can do with anti-piracy stuff is make it economically infeasible to pirate the material. As long as the copy-protection makes it so time consuming to pirate the material that the cost of legitimately purchasing it is better, then it is considered to have succeeded.

Actually, yes it's exactly people like me that can. All it takes is the right creative mind to come up with the solution. You underestimate us.... but I understand why. Wait and see. For example, this site uses the very software we created.

That's interesting, but do remember Scheier's Law:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneier's_Law

Back on the (real) topic. You said that you've been recording new videos for a while now, who is in these videos? Clearly not models. Are they friends, renfaire members, sorority sisters?

Regards,
Birdburdy.

 

[Kujman1]

It's less to do with age than really a synchronous with the way tech is dealt with.

Tech is dealth with on a purely money basis today- the need for greed.

Hollywood and recording companies are fed up with being pirated and are forcing the need for this security. Just because people today in their limited view can't see it happening doesn't mean it will not. I happen to know that it is. Come back and read this thread again in 13 months and you'll see, shake your head, laugh, and say "that son of a bitch!".....

And if you were to look at the current tickling (or I should correctly say ticklePORN) producers out there today, you would see that they are suffering too-- some of them are going under due to the constant stealing and posting of their material on youtube.

What is your advice to them? They are making, for better or worse, tickling films for you. Would you tell them "Who cares if your materials being stolen, just keep putting it out for us"..?

I'm someone who uses software on a daily basis.

Yes.. and I designed some you're using right now to read this board.

This it will come thing? I'm sorry to say is not really feasible.

Yes..
And the world is flat. And if man were meant to fly he'd have wings. And women will never vote. And rock & roll will be banned. And man will never set foot on the moon. And VCRs will never catch on. And mobile phones will always be the size and weight of a brick. And we'll never have an African-American President in this country..

All things become feasible given time.. creative minds... and desire...and greed simply helps it along.

I apologize

NO need to! You're intelligent! You're THINKING! Too few do that these days on message boards. Don't change. Keep thinking...just broaden your view of what can happen.

In addition to my work I have a few side companies, one of them develops movie props, which is hands-on for me because I simply enjoy it. So often I'm told "You can't do that", "That can't be done"... and then we go right ahead and create it and do it- and it shuts them right up. This has happened so often that I had shirts made that everyone wears with my lifetime motto on them: "Those that say it cannot be done should stay the hell out of the way of those that are busy doing it".

I'm obviously not the only one frustrated by this stance of yours.

What stance? :blink The stance of "I don't want to be ripped off and/or then flamed over my material".. ?? That's not a stance- that's simple, common sense. I'm not a martyr for tickling, lol. I gave my stuff away for free for many years only to be repeatedly stabbed in the back.

So this confuses me- I'd like to know, seriously.. who is frustrated? And why?
There's 10,000 TK stores out there... isn't that enough??

Time may stand still in the desert Kuj, but it doesn't everywhere else.

... meaning??? I've got sand in my shorts?? My Timex aint tickling?

I really don't care about everywhere else, the community, tickleporn, who's the best, who sells the most, if Britney Spears is ticklish, and all that- because none of that is real.

What's real is what happens between myself and those that meet with me to play... what happens at my theme events, filmed events, beach buried parties, sorority or public gigs, and most of all my private times.

Everything else are just words in cyberspace... which, by the way, anyone in the 70's would have told you cyberspace would neeeeeever happen!

😉

 

[Kujman1]

No no, you're right, i wasn't here during the golden age of "tickle community", I just popped in around 03.

I'm sorry that you missed a really good time. Real material, not faked. Real people IN photos and vids- not actors or models. True headspace, true panic, true bondage & torture, with orginal creative ideas. Honestly-- everything you see today has been done to death 30+ years before- and better.

Even I was doing bondage layouts for HOM when I was a teen, that lead to a magazine I created for House Of Milan called Tied & Tickled... which begat the 'community'.. and many others creations, bondage devices, scene plays, club demos, and films followed. Point is, anything you see today is a rehash of what's been done in the past 10000 times. I don't know why- there so much more they could do today...but they don't for some reason. Lack of creative thought?.. or lack of balls I suppose?

When the Internet came along all fetishes had a brief high, a 'surge' as everyone could connect easier... but then it began it's slow, spiral fall from grace much like a fighter plane that's been shot out of the sky. Quality was replaced with quantity. Today all there is left... is Tickleporn.

It's a fetish, and you're making fetish porn.

No, nothing of the kind. You've never seen my work. I walked away from T&T because they wanted it to be all tits and ass and all F/F material.. so I sold out my interests, Bishop left, Behr left, the magazine folded a few years later, as did my only issue of Tickling Times and Bastinado, both of which I sold. They ruined it with cheap porn-- as you have today.

My films are anything BUT tickleporn. Tickleporn is faked, acted... the fast, cheap & easy way out-- shit that derailed the community and it's growth.

My material is reality material. As I found out when I released a small preview a few years ago about Plaster mummification..
the community simply cannot handle reality material for some reason.

I have hopes it will some day, but it really doesn't matter to me if it does or doesnt. I play privately and enjoy that far beyond anything I could ever get out of being online.

but you're going to get more and more frustrated until you put it into perspective.

We'll have to agree to disagree. It's perfectly in perspective to me. The community wants my work- but isn't willing to back me (or anyone) up, stop any flamers, or stop people from ripping off copies and posting them. As in the past, when I am flamed for intensity or reality, all the people who were vocal about wanting my material and then got it will suddenly lose their voices, vanish, their keyboards will freeze up, and I'm left to take the heat alone. It's happened many times. They just want the material and screw what happens to me.

I thought this community, TickleTheatre, was changing, and was different... new people had come along and were fightng for a better community and better quality...

..but I'm begining to see I was right- it was a temporary change made in order to gain more material. I can see by the flavor of recent posts that our decision to wait a little bit and see if the community had- in all sincerity -changed was well founded.

That's pretty much in perspective, lol. Things never change! :rolleyes

So the choices are limited to:

-the community can either band together and force changes if they want high quality, original, reality material... or;

-they can can continue the way they are with what they offer now... or;

- we wait until new software is introduced that can stop copying and posting of other's materials.

And honestly, to answer you- I'm not the one frustrated at all... Karmagirl, myself, and our circle of friends are quite happy because we have the devices I create, the people to play with, the theme events, sorority gigs, materials and the reality play. We teach, give demos, I provide how-to sections, and our own group at Ticklepalace..

..I'm sorry that others may be frustrated- and they're welcome to come play with us and enjoy reality... or perhaps they can force some changes in the community due to their obvious frustrations..

The choice is really up to all of you!

 

[Kujman1]

Back on the (real) topic. You said that you've been recording new videos for a while now, who is in these videos? Clearly not models. Are they friends, renfaire members, sorority sisters?

Yes, yes, yes... and more. Real people, pure reality. There's a very wide range of things, from intense night-time beach burial ordeals, sorority initiations, public stuff, private. A few of my filmed club demos, we filmed some really intense Flander bench ordeals (tickling, itching, & foot torture till fainting), my new Laugh-O-Matic tickling machines, story themes, perhaps even a theme event... plus some very specialized new concepts... as well as some of the stuff I've already told you in email.

You can talk to me in private email- I'll answer you there- you know how to reach me. There's no sense posting it here. I've done the online thing before, tried it again at Karmagirl's request- and for friends like you- but really it's the same boring, one dimensional, selfish place it was before. I'm not going to post anymore on this thread, or maybe on TT at all. I only came back because you asked me to post. But look where it's leading, Burdy- it's only going to turn into flames and aggravation... which I have no time to waste on. Nothing changes. Little loyalty. People don't listen, people don't learn. They just want what they want no matter who gets squashed in the process.. and they can't see anything else.

I'd rather play in reality than be online anyway.

:coolthumbup

 

[Comfort Eagle]

I'm sorry that you missed a really good time. Real material, not faked. Real people IN photos and vids- not actors or models. True headspace, true panic, true bondage & torture, with orginal creative ideas. Honestly-- everything you see today has been done to death 30+ years before- and better.

Even I was doing bondage layouts for HOM when I was a teen, that lead to a magazine I created for House Of Milan called Tied & Tickled... which begat the 'community'.. and many others creations, bondage devices, scene plays, club demos, and films followed. Point is, anything you see today is a rehash of what's been done in the past 10000 times. I don't know why- there so much more they could do today...but they don't for some reason. Lack of creative thought?.. or lack of balls I suppose?

When the Internet came along all fetishes had a brief high, a 'surge' as everyone could connect easier... but then it began it's slow, spiral fall from grace much like a fighter plane that's been shot out of the sky. Quality was replaced with quantity. Today all there is left... is Tickleporn.

No, nothing of the kind. You've never seen my work. I walked away from T&T because they wanted it to be all tits and ass and all F/F material.. so I sold out my interests, Bishop left, Behr left, the magazine folded a few years later, as did my only issue of Tickling Times and Bastinado, both of which I sold. They ruined it with cheap porn-- as you have today.

My films are anything BUT tickleporn. Tickleporn is faked, acted... the fast, cheap & easy way out-- shit that derailed the community and it's growth.

My material is reality material. As I found out when I released a small preview a few years ago about Plaster mummification..
the community simply cannot handle reality material for some reason.

I have hopes it will some day, but it really doesn't matter to me if it does or doesnt. I play privately and enjoy that far beyond anything I could ever get out of being online.

We'll have to agree to disagree. It's perfectly in perspective to me.

The "community" was always maturating to it, therefore it was always porn. Just because it was theatrical and there were only 30 people looking at it as opposed to thousands didn't make it less fap material. Can't say I appreciate the condescending attitude of "You've never seen my work, my work is DAT REAL TORTURE!", since every other time I've seen that line used with videos that aren't being horded are terrible which doesn't fill me with a good amount of confidence that you know what you're being upfront.

The community wants my work- but isn't willing to back me (or anyone) up, stop any flamers, or stop people from ripping off copies and posting them. As in the past, when I am flamed for intensity or reality, all the people who were vocal about wanting my material and then got it will suddenly lose their voices, vanish, their keyboards will freeze up, and I'm left to take the heat alone. It's happened many times. They just want the material and screw what happens to me.

It's the internet. Whatever you put on it is up for scrutiny, and that you feel like "the community" should never do that to you, and that reeks of unwarrented self importance, especially now that I realize you in no uncertain terms genuinely believe this to be in some form your community that failed you.

I thought this community, TickleTheatre, was changing, and was different... new people had come along and were fightng for a better community and better quality...

..but I'm begining to see I was right- it was a temporary change made in order to gain more material. I can see by the flavor of recent posts that our decision to wait a little bit and see if the community had- in all sincerity -changed was well founded.

"Better quality" is highly debatable. Tickle In Black had been around forever and I like Tickle Abuse more. If Yaqi, who's been pimping tickling for years to build up it's cred put out a new clip beside ZenTickling, 9 times out of 10 I'm going with Zen. I suppose I'm not watching "the right kind" of video, or is your material just so super awesome (while being undeniably superior) that nobody in your community that doesn't follow your community guidelines could never compare to you?

So the choices are limited to:

-the community can either band together and force changes if they want high quality, original, reality material... or;

-they can can continue the way they are with what they offer now... or;

- we wait until new software is introduced that can stop copying and posting of other's materials.

There's something about the obsessive hording of material that you seem so incredibly proud of that I can't help but take it that you make very average "reality clips" and are just so sensitive you can't have anyone criticize your work and this extends to even looking at it without making sure they blow smoke up your ass.

And while it's quite possible you actually do hold the holy grail of tickling material that people just aren't prepared to look at, the few low quality pictures and videos I've seen so far (and some quick glances at some older threads you've posted here and there) leads me to believe you just have an issue that people went to your community, did it better, and didn't give you the credit you thought you deserved for it.

And honestly, to answer you- I'm not the one frustrated at all... Karmagirl, myself, and our circle of friends are quite happy because we have the devices I create, the people to play with, the theme events, sorority gigs, materials and the reality play. We teach, give demos, I provide how-to sections, and our own group at Ticklepalace..

..I'm sorry that others may be frustrated- and they're welcome to come play with us and enjoy reality... or perhaps they can force some changes in the community due to their obvious frustrations..

The choice is really up to all of you!

Yeah about that. You made this thread last October, and given TT's low traffic that means it's still fairly recent. Baited remarks about "These other clips selling fake laughing with not-ticklish models!". This was done entirely thinking everyone here was going to denounce this "poor material" in favor of your touted reality videos.

I'm not sure this fetish (in general) is ready for my style or reality yet though. There's 78,0000 members... and only ten have posted to me and only one email. The rest are off downloading or looking at the photos of the crummy stuff out there.

This thread, this attitude, these arguments, these are not of a man who could care less. This is a man who desperately wants the e-fame that comes without being a tickle producer without any criticism or risk of profit loss that comes with that. It's great that you slapped together some tickling pictures 30 years ago in some old school fap mag, but this condescending attitude of "Everyone is shit but me" is pathetic.

 

[birdburdy]

As KJ said, he's unlikely to post again in this thread so he probably won't respond to your rant. Nevertheless I am able to correct a few of the details you got wrong.

The "community" was always maturating to it, therefore it was always porn. Just because it was theatrical and there were only 30 people looking at it as opposed to thousands didn't make it less fap material.

I'm sorry, I can't understand these two sentences. You're saying that because someone masturbates to something then it must be porn? So... if I happen to a fetish for people in spacesuits then the Apollo landings because coveted pornography? Nope.

"Better quality" is highly debatable. Tickle In Black had been around forever and I like Tickle Abuse more. If Yaqi, who's been pimping tickling for years to build up it's cred put out a new clip beside ZenTickling, 9 times out of 10 I'm going with Zen. I suppose I'm not watching "the right kind" of video, or is your material just so super awesome (while being undeniably superior) that nobody in your community that doesn't follow your community guidelines could never compare to you?

I guess you haven't seen any of KJ's material? It is great, intense and seems to be very real. Take buried in the sand tickling as an example: almost every clip out there is *fake* in the sense that the sand is not deep enough to keep the 'lee buried. This is one of the reasons people are so fed up with the commercialised TKporn.

There's something about the obsessive hording of material that you seem so incredibly proud of that I can't help but take it that you make very average "reality clips" and are just so sensitive you can't have anyone criticize your work and this extends to even looking at it without making sure they blow smoke up your ass.

He's sensitive sure. Wouldn't you be after being on the wrong end of years of flamewars?

And while it's quite possible you actually do hold the holy grail of tickling material that people just aren't prepared to look at, the few low quality pictures and videos I've seen so far (and some quick glances at some older threads you've posted here and there) leads me to believe you just have an issue that people went to your community, did it better, and didn't give you the credit you thought you deserved for it.

You mean *low resolution* not low quality. There's a difference between resolution and quality! High-definition crap is still crap! The TK community sure as hell didn't do it better as you said, they do it much much worse? Where in the TK community have you seen 4 inch thick wooden stocks? Where have you seen good tickling in suspension bondage? Where have you seen the Westfields (ankles tight together, wrists either side) position done properly?

but this condescending attitude of "Everyone is shit but me" is pathetic.

It's not pathetic when it's true. And it is true. I watched a few Tickle Abuse videos a while ago, thought they were good for about a week but then they are soo boring. They're all the same! Seriously if you want to save some money, rather than buy the next TK video just take one of your existing ones and play it again.

I can see why KJ gets frustrated. I think he wants to be a consumer of clips as well as a producer. But when all the material is terrible as it is, and when you're criticised for making good material, what can you do? Well I'm glad to hear he's going to be marketing more towards the BDSM community, who I have found to be respectful and mature, and I wish him luck in that. If TK people want to see his videos they'll also see the BDSM aspects, which might open a few eyes.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

As KJ said, he's unlikely to post again in this thread so he probably won't respond to your rant. Nevertheless I am able to correct a few of the details you got wrong.

Oh boy this'll be a hoot.

I'm sorry, I can't understand these two sentences. You're saying that because someone masturbates to something then it must be porn? So... if I happen to a fetish for people in spacesuits then the Apollo landings because coveted pornography? Nope.

I can't tell if you sincerely couldn't understand the argument or are trying to be condescending, but regardless this is probably the worst thought out counter-argument I think anyone could make. A fetish is sexual arousal a person receives from a normally nonsexual situation or object. Now considering Mr REALITY Tickling here started placing tickle fetish material in a fetish magazine before outright making his own magazine dedicated to the subject it's obvious he was pandering to this demographic that found it erotic. Deliberately making material specifically for people to use for sexual purposes. And that makes it porn.

I guess you haven't seen any of KJ's material? It is great, intense and seems to be very real. Take buried in the sand tickling as an example: almost every clip out there is *fake* in the sense that the sand is not deep enough to keep the 'lee buried.

Despite REALITYs paranoia with piracy I actually have seen a few of his products here and there over the years. It's not bad, not at all, but even with all that REAL INTENSITY he traffics in, its mostly just on par with other, older videos from around that time. No huge difference between him and an old Tickler in Black video.

This is one of the reasons people are so fed up with the commercialised TKporn.

Yeah you guys keep saying that over and over again, and yet I haven't seen any huge backlash again "the commercial trash" like you keep insisting there is. You'd think with all these companies cranking out total bullshit over and over again these companies would flounder and fuck off after 3 or 4 failed clips and yet a lot of successful guys have popped in the last few years.

This brings up something else, you both argue "the people don't want this", "the people want that intensity back", and then complain that "Oh people can't be bothered to deal with anything than commercialized trash". Which is it? A huge demand for REALITY! tickling or not enough to make it worthwhile? It seems like what you're really trying to argue is people just don't understand what's really good, and that's both hilarious and extremely egotistical for someone who won't only not post said material, but goes to pretty good lengths to get his already available works removed if they're posted by anyone but him.

He's sensitive sure. Wouldn't you be after being on the wrong end of years of flamewars?

No, because
a) I'm an adult
b)they are words on a screen and
c)that's the game when you post works online.

Why does he even get so upset over flamewars if he's not only pretty sure but outright positive his shit is the end all be all of any tickling product out there now, then, or will be made in the near future? You insist the people are fed up with what's out there now and are begging for his work in hordes? Then why do flamewars matter?

That doesn't seem like the attitude of a tickle torture savant to me. That sounds like a man who overreacts if someone criticizes his product because, God forbid, maybe it really isn't that one-of-a-kind, authentic material that only the Godfather of TK Community can make.

You mean *low resolution* not low quality. There's a difference between resolution and quality! High-definition crap is still crap! The TK community sure as hell didn't do it better as you said, they do it much much worse? Where in the TK community have you seen 4 inch thick wooden stocks? Where have you seen good tickling in suspension bondage? Where have you seen the Westfields (ankles tight together, wrists either side) position done properly?

It's not pathetic when it's true. And it is true. I watched a few Tickle Abuse videos a while ago, thought they were good for about a week but then they are soo boring. They're all the same! Seriously if you want to save some money, rather than buy the next TK video just take one of your existing ones and play it again.

The rest of this is a simple matter of opinion, albeit your opinion is also one of "Well if you think otherwise it's wrong, simple as that". Tickle Abuse doesn't hang a bitch from the rafters before going at her? Fine by me. Maybe I really enjoy when French Tickling has a girl in flimsy, not-4 inch stocks so I can watch her trash like an idiot. Why is that preference the wrong one?

I can see why KJ gets frustrated. I think he wants to be a consumer of clips as well as a producer. But when all the material is terrible as it is, and when you're criticised for making good material, what can you do? Well I'm glad to hear he's going to be marketing more towards the BDSM community, who I have found to be respectful and mature, and I wish him luck in that. If TK people want to see his videos they'll also see the BDSM aspects, which might open a few eyes.

But when all the material is terrible as it is, and when you're criticised for making good material, what can you do?

This. Right there. That's why I can't take you serious. This ridiculous fucking attitude of "My way is THE way, why can't you uncultured plebeians just accept it?" is pathetic, and it's only worsened by the fact that you apparently can't even conceive an opposing opinion.