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What The Fuck Is Wrong With People???!!!! (clips4sale crosses the line!)

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This is where you call me a clown and tell me to go home, or similar. Nice contribution.

There's nothing to contribute, nothing to debate. There was actual "porn" with the same little girls on that site as well as the tickle vids. I know several people DID notice it other than myself. I did my duty and with the help of other decent human beings on this forum, we got em shut down in a matter of hours. The fact c4s shut em down and that c4s called em "asses" and gave a thank you for bringing it to their attention speaks for itself. So go head and waste your time typing novel after novel of nonsense away on here all ya want.

Oh and i forgot...go home! :jester:
 
I didn't bother checking it out before it was apparently removed either. But judging from what I've read about it here, I don't think we missed anything nearly as exciting as some here seemed to find it.

before coming off with the strong "mr moral, cry me a river, free the slaves" attitude like you know what your talking about, at least KNOW what your talking about. you go on about ASSumptions etc, then openly admit you didnt even see the disgusting sick display.

if it wasnt any big deal, you think clips4sale woulda closed em down and gave a thank you? can we say hipocrit? god, actually interacting here with a few of you durring this thread really reminds me why "i" dont interact on here other than in the wack off sections. not even gonna waste anymore of my time responding to this type of b.s. after this post.

so you and your good friend babybozo go have fun..byeeeeeeeee!:jester:
 
dskodj, thanks for bring awareness to that disgusting site and helping shut it down.

My kudos to you! 🙂

no thanks needed 🙂 im all about doing whats right and trying to help in keeping kiddie porn and anything else along the same lines off the net and off the streets. although thats totaly impossible in reality to get rid of every bit of everything, one less always does do SOME good for the cause...at least.
 
Something I Just Realised!

Did anyone else notice...these fuckbuckets that are defending this shit ALL have under 100 posts on this forum and we hardly ever see ANYTHING from them? Makes one wonder...
 
Did anyone else notice...these fuckbuckets that are defending this shit ALL have under 100 posts on this forum and we hardly ever see ANYTHING from them? Makes one wonder...

Ok, so far you've called me

Mr Babybozo
Clown
Ass
Paedophile
Hypocrit
fuckbuket

This hardly seems right on a flame-free forum. I think you need to calm down and I would like to ask the mods to remind you how to conduct yourselves on this forum. Maybe I stepped across the line too. I'm sorry for calling you Mr Angry. But you have goe to extremes.

And I think calling you Mr Angry is tame compared with the insinuation that I am a paedophile.

And BTW, at 40% revenue per clips sold - and probably tens of thousands of clips in total, the closure of this site is no big deal to C4S. Removing a low popularity site and thanking you for it probaby indicates customer relations. I'd be interested to see your e-ail to them. I suspect your fondness of the word "ass" led you to call the owners of the sites asses in the first place.
 
Obviously you were, though given the fact you are comparing an adolescent human being to a dog I think I can be forgiven for missing the similarities.



The relevance is that I'm not sure what you're railing against. You disapprove of paedophilia yet you're criticising people who do likewise? You don't seem to be taking issue with the language they're using



Not "erotic" in the sense that I'd masturbate to it or find it arousing in the slightest, but I recognise that the man tickling the child was not doing it as some innocent gesture of intimacy; if that were the case how do you explain the bondage or the phallus in her mouth? I find your level of density to be quite astonishing, and I do hope it is density (or, more likely, a desire to shoulder-barge the consensus) rather than an actual acceptance of such things as "the norm". I mean, you're on the Tickling Media Forum you don't think tying up a child and tickling them is an act of fetishistic eroticism? How about tying the child up, shoving a translucent penis in her mouth and tickling her? Or what about videoing it and then selling it on a website surrounded by other porn links with a disclaimer stating that it contains a child?



Well yeah it has; I explained it earlier, at least as it applies to us in Britain. A person can legally be considered to consent to taking part in sexual or erotic activity once they reach the age of 16, meaning that any erotic activity that takes place within the confines of one's home with a person of 16 is legal so long as they are willing participants (that means bondage, tickling, spanking and whatever else, not just penetrative sex). They cannot consent to taking part in pornographic material until they reach the age of 18, and thus making a film of anyone under the age of 18 is illegal, and if you were looking to prosecute this person it would not be difficult to prove that the tickling taking place was being done in an erotic context even if it wasn't being sold on a site surrounded by pornographic adverts and containing the disclaimer that it did (which, ironically enough, would probably be more useful in convicting the producer of the material than it is in discharging him of legal responsibility).

There's your legal definition. For a moral definition the child in the clips was quite obviously nowhere near the age of 18, nowhere near the age of 16 even, and was quite obviously prepubescent, yet she was quite obviously taking part in a fetish video. Is that something you find acceptable? Obviously not, because you've said several times that you do not support paedophilia.



Are you calling into question people's ability to recognise a prepubescent child when they see one? That's a fair charge I suppose, I mean she could have been a gymnast or be a 20 year old suffering from some sort of genetic disorder or something, but in my mind I'm satisfied that the greater likelihood is that the "model" clips was underage. I will concede that there is a lack of concrete information to confirm anyone's suspicions, but the fact he had put a disclaimer on the clips stating that the model was underage means that conjecturing she WAS underage is logical enough.



Kids can consent to being tickled, that's not in doubt, but would you consider being tickled while bound "innocent" tickling? Or would that seem immoral to you?



Yeah, because that'd be a logical leap to make. If tying a child up and tickling them with the child's consent is immoral then so too is tying up a 26 year old woman and tickling her with her consent. Although comparing comparing a child with an adult makes more sense than comparing them with a dog I still don't see how you can compare the consent of an adult to that of a child.



Not in the same way as beauty though. Beauty is purely subjective; you'd have to work very hard in court to prove that someone is "beautiful", for instance. Proving that something has been done in an erotic context is far simpler.



No, you're just too naively unBritish. Hoovering is vacuuming.



Well the entire purpose of clips4sale, certainly insofar as I can see (and insofar as their banner ads suggest) is to provide an easy ready-made platform for distributers of porn to sell on their pornography. They provide storage space and a payment system which negates the need to set up one's own. I don't doubt that it COULD be used for other things, in fact there are probably lots of uses for such a thing, but I've yet to find any evidence to suggest that it IS and thus I must logically conjecture that it is not.

I also find it strange that you've been described as an anti-fanatic, because your characterisation of people who purchase pornography seems somewhat polarised to me. Do others consider you an anti-fanatic in the same way that Satan is considered the anit-Christ, or are you usually less acerbic in your attempts to pacify "fanaticism" in relation to fetish videos containing underage kids?



I would urge you to report anything you believe to contain the depiction of minors in fetish activities to the site moderators, because my understanding is the policy is zero tolerance for that sort of thing even when there's ambiguity involved. You can quite happily report such things to the mods without having to do it publicly using the report post feature, which is the little red triangle with the ! in it at the top (or is it the bottom? can't recall) of the post, which should put your fears about stirring up more of this "fanaticism" to rest. I would also caution you not to let this friend of yours download anything onto your hard drive; far be it from me to make any definitive comments about her, but if she finds kids being tied up and tickled erotic then her interests are somewhat at odds with the law and she could well land you in trouble.

Sorry, but the imsunderstandings/misinterpretations in your reading of my post(s) are far too voluminous at this point for me to have near enough time to even begin to try to disabuse you of them all and it wouldn't make the difference of a raindrop in a reservoir in relation to any real issues related to this topic in any case.
 
cabalist, you mentioned that there are images/stories/clips of children restrained and being tickled presented on this forum. i implore you to give links to them so that they may be shut down by our moderators, if they do indeed exist. i, for one, am one of those that keeps an eye out for such material and, instead of letting it just sit there, bring it to the mods' attention.

You apparently completely missed my point, but I guess I should be beginning to get used to that in this forum by now. But since it's getting a bit tedious trying to find ways to rephrase myself, when I've already done my best to express myself as clearly as I can, short of attempting a complete re-explanation of my point, in order to simplify, what I said (or at least what I meant, as I'm no doubt paraphrasing myself) was that I have seen clips in these forums of children being TICKLED (as well as "tickling clips" in general with children in them, perhaps sometimes AS the "lers") -- NEVER did I mean to suggest or imply that I saw anything involving children that I think any sane and reasonable person would consider, in any serious sense, sexual or in any other way "abusive"

As for reporting things to the moderators, if I saw anything that seemed clearly "questionable" to ME, I likely would report it. However, it's not my job, AFAIK, to make hair-splitting decisions about everything which I'm not sure follows the specific rules of this forum to the letter. I've personally refrained from posting clips which I was tempted to post which happened to have children in them, clips from "mainstream" movies and TV shows which I think any intelligent and reasonably sane person would regard as perfectly "acceptable" at any website intended primarily for children, simply because I don't fully understand exactly where this site "draws the line" -- nor, as I said, is it my job to make those decisions, as I assume that's exactly what the moderators are here for. If they can't keep up with it, then perhaps they need more moderators. But as I sometimes barely have time to visit this site at all, I don't have the time to volunteer for the job.
 
before coming off with the strong "mr moral, cry me a river, free the slaves" attitude like you know what your talking about, at least KNOW what your talking about. you go on about ASSumptions etc, then openly admit you didnt even see the disgusting sick display.

You're correct. I admit that I wasn't sufficienty intrigued at the advertisement in this thread of alleged "kiddie porn" at another site to feel compelled to indulge myself as you apparently were.

if it wasnt any big deal, you think clips4sale woulda closed em down and gave a thank you? can we say hipocrit? god, actually interacting here with a few of you durring this thread really reminds me why "i" dont interact on here other than in the wack off sections. not even gonna waste anymore of my time responding to this type of b.s. after this post.

Perhaps the "wack off section" may indeed suit you better.
 
Did anyone else notice...these fuckbuckets that are defending this shit ALL have under 100 posts on this forum and we hardly ever see ANYTHING from them? Makes one wonder...

Did it occur to you that some of us "fuckbuckets" might not have as much free time as you do, or just may not feel compelled to "flap our jaws" as much?

No, come to think of it, I don't suppose it would.
 
You apparently completely missed my point, but I guess I should be beginning to get used to that in this forum by now. But since it's getting a bit tedious trying to find ways to rephrase myself, when I've already done my best to express myself as clearly as I can, short of attempting a complete re-explanation of my point, in order to simplify, what I said (or at least what I meant, as I'm no doubt paraphrasing myself) was that I have seen clips in these forums of children being TICKLED (as well as "tickling clips" in general with children in them, perhaps sometimes AS the "lers") -- NEVER did I mean to suggest or imply that I saw anything involving children that I think any sane and reasonable person would consider, in any serious sense, sexual or in any other way "abusive"

As for reporting things to the moderators, if I saw anything that seemed clearly "questionable" to ME, I likely would report it. However, it's not my job, AFAIK, to make hair-splitting decisions about everything which I'm not sure follows the specific rules of this forum to the letter. I've personally refrained from posting clips which I was tempted to post which happened to have children in them, clips from "mainstream" movies and TV shows which I think any intelligent and reasonably sane person would regard as perfectly "acceptable" at any website intended primarily for children, simply because I don't fully understand exactly where this site "draws the line" -- nor, as I said, is it my job to make those decisions, as I assume that's exactly what the moderators are here for. If they can't keep up with it, then perhaps they need more moderators. But as I sometimes barely have time to visit this site at all, I don't have the time to volunteer for the job.

the rule is "no minors, period". reading any of the stickies in the forums would tell you that. for someone who has limited time here, you spend a lot of it answering posts. and though i can agree we could use an extra moderator or two, since this is our forum, we should do the best we can to keep things in line as much as we can, and help the mods. i, for one, would not want to be associated with a site that allows for pictures, stories or videos of children amongst other works that are clearly adult material.

there's a little yellow triangle with an exclamation point in the middle. that is used to report posts. it takes 10 seconds. and since the rule is "no minors, period", there's no splitting hairs on the matter.
 
Did it occur to you that some of us "fuckbuckets" might not have as much free time as you do, or just may not feel compelled to "flap our jaws" as much?

No, come to think of it, I don't suppose it would.

when all else fails and your backed in a corner, use the famous "you have no life/too much time on your hands/you live on the internet" old and worn out high school like "insult"..if you only knew me buddy :jester: sorry i couldnt resist responding to this one :xpeepsofa
 
the rule is "no minors, period". reading any of the stickies in the forums would tell you that.

If I enjoyed playing policemen, perhaps I would bother calling the moderators' attention to every possible technical volation I might see. On the other hand, expecting me to know the exact age of every child I might see in a clip is a bit much, I think. And in cases where it should be obvious to anyone that nothing illegal or immoral is involved, believe it or not I do have far more important things to do with my time than being a petty "whistle blower" for technical violations of the rules of every online forum I might visit. I do my best to follow the rules myself, which I think is all any site can reasonably expect of most of its visitors/participants.

for someone who has limited time here, you spend a lot of it answering posts.

Um...what ELSE is there to do here? It's a forum, right? You apparently have an amazing talent for knowing how much time people spend answering posts. But if relative post count is any indication, you might seem to spend a lot more time posting here than I do. If so, it might stand to reason that you might have more time for "whistle blowing" here as well.

and though i can agree we could use an extra moderator or two, since this is our forum, we should do the best we can to keep things in line as much as we can, and help the mods. i, for one, would not want to be associated with a site that allows for pictures, stories or videos of children amongst other works that are clearly adult material.

There's plenty at this site that is not "clearly adult" IMO. Most of the mainstream section for example, it appears to me. Perhaps this site is intended for "adults only", but as far as I know there's nothing preventing any child in the world with Internet access from reading the "four letter word" in the title of this thread, for example, or from accessing just about anything in this forum, for that matter, much of which many people might regard as "unsuitable for children." So we may not all view everything the same way. But I'm sure you believe that the way you see things is "the right way."

there's a little yellow triangle with an exclamation point in the middle. that is used to report posts. it takes 10 seconds. and since the rule is "no minors, period", there's no splitting hairs on the matter.

Like I said, thus far I've seen nothing here to cause any sane and reasonable person concern -- except possibly the link which was provided in this thread to what some have declared as "kiddie porn", which it's my best understanding has since been removed. In fact, in this context I might add that on at least one forum I visit (devoted to a completely unrelated topic), even posting a link to material which violates the forum rules is considered as much a violation as posting the material itself to the forum. But perhaps that's not the case here.
 
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Oh for Christ's sake.....blah, blah, blah.

Half the people in here are pervs as is attested to by the popularity of Anime tickling and don't give me that crap about how Anime is a stylized art form.

You know why you like it.
 
Are those furries at it again?! Those bastards!!

Murph, get the lads in the Transit van; there's lynchin' to do!!


On a serious note I'm not clicking that link. Please to explain it so I might share in your indignity.

LAWL
 
I just got this responce back from clips4sale:

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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:38:22 -0500
From: "Gizmo" <[email protected]> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
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Subject: Re: [[Reporting Child Porn On Your Service]]

we have shut this ass down. Thank you very much for bringing this to
our attention.

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THANK GOD! I wanna thank the folks who backed me up on this and sent mails, with us pulling together look how fast we got this kiddie porn crap pulled, now thats a community! Happy Holidays everyone 🙂 Now ill go back to my quiet around here self as justice has been served!

Don't you also want to thank the Clips4Sale.com people, even possibly apologize to them? They clearly agree with you about the store and have closed it down after you let them know about it. But, without knowing anything about the circumstances, you totally overreacted, self-righteously insulting the hell out of them and trashing their name. To me, that qualifies as defamation. Not to mention that you made threats of bodily harm. You haven't made a very good case for yourself.

By the way, have you ever seen "Falling Down", starring Michael Douglas?

Believe me, they do their very best to avoid hosting any inappropriate stores. They got dropped by their bank a few years ago because some nasty stores got through. They got a new bank a few months later and cleaned up the place, having learned from that damaging experience. There's no way they want to let it happen again, and they certainly didn't give their approval to the store owner, who is the true jackass that you should have bitched about, not C4S.
 
when all else fails and your backed in a corner, use the famous "you have no life/too much time on your hands/you live on the internet" old and worn out high school like "insult"..if you only knew me buddy :jester: sorry i couldnt resist responding to this one :xpeepsofa

Dude, he didn't even say anything about having no life or too much time on your hands... He said that some of us aren't able to be on as much as others, which is a true statement. I'm only on from about 12 am to 2 or 3 in the morning, because I'm doing other things during the day. If you're able to be on during the day, then more power to you, but no one ever said you have no life, and no one said it was even an insult except for you.

And about the "Fuckbucket" comment, I donno if you've mistaken me for someone who is standing up for this or not, but I most certainly am NOT defending it. I am standing up against people like you that can't accept another persons ideas, beliefs, concepts, morals, etc. Even if there was someone on here who liked child porn (and openly fessed up to it), then regardless of the legality of it (it's their own fault for saying it, right?) and what you personally think of the subject, they should have just as much right to voice their opinions and views as anyone else on this forum without being called names for what they believe in. It's really people like you that make me sick, people that have to shoot down every person that doesn't agree with them and get their kicks by bullying and name calling... If you ask me, those are your worn out high school like insults! Hell, those are kindergarten like... grow up!

You should probably check this out:
The Golden Rule
 
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On second thought, FWIW I will try to debunk just one of the many silly misconceptions in a certain person's posts (although, like I said, I don't have nearly enough time to dissect all of them). To wit:

I would urge you to report anything you believe to contain the depiction of minors in fetish activities to the site moderators, because my understanding is the policy is zero tolerance for that sort of thing even when there's ambiguity involved. You can quite happily report such things to the mods without having to do it publicly using the report post feature, which is the little red triangle with the ! in it at the top (or is it the bottom? can't recall) of the post, which should put your fears about stirring up more of this "fanaticism" to rest. I would also caution you not to let this friend of yours download anything onto your hard drive; far be it from me to make any definitive comments about her, but if she finds kids being tied up and tickled erotic then her interests are somewhat at odds with the law and she could well land you in trouble.

In fact, I was referring to mainstream clips, viewable by, if not primarily intended for viewing by children. Only a "perve", or possibly a moron, assumes the tickling of children to be sexual, erotic, or "abusive", IMO. In fact, it's utterly laughable for you to be cautioning me about having "material" on my hard drive which is no more illegal than are any of the children's videos that literally millions of mainstream families have openly displayed on shelves in their living rooms, available for their children to watch at any time.

Furthermore, it's no more illegal for a person of any age, child or adult, to be sexually aroused by, say, a Mickey Mouse cartoon, than it is for a woman to experience an orgasm while riding a motorcycle, as another example of the many things that some people, if not all, find sexually stimulating.

Had you not been too engrossed in your own pretentious self-righteous moralizing to even bother trying to understand what it was you were reacting to, perhaps it wouldn't have taken me this long to explain this to you. But if you still don't understand it any better than you seemed to understand anything else I was saying, I might as well give up.
 
In fact, intelligent and reasonable discussion was never welcome in this thread for the simple reason that it was clearly at odds with the real obvious purpose of the original post -- that being posturing self-righteousness and self-aggrandizement. Otherwise, why didn't the OP just quietly report this situation to the web site, rather than insisting on ostentatiously posting a direct link from this forum to what he himself characterized as "sickening kiddie porn", in clear violation of the spirit, if not the letter, of the rules of this forum? Interestingly, I didn't notice any serious objection to this flagrant flouting of the rules of this forum by any of the self-described moral police on this forum. Can you spell hypocrisy? (Clearly at least one person in this forum can't)
 
i think this thread has served it's intended purpose. Time to lock it up before people get too nasty.
 
i think this thread has served it's intended purpose. Time to lock it up before people get too nasty.

agreed, i called on the community for help in closing down that crap, we did it, shoulda been the end of the thread then. also closing this will push the trolls back into hiding where they lurk. and we wont see much of em again till the next time theres a controversal thread of some sort that they can take out their issues on.
 
This thread has clearly served its purpose. I'm closing it.
 
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