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Capnmad said:
What I do find intriguing is the volume of interesting footage of UFOs -- things that are performing maneuvers impossible for traditional aircraft (and that should kill a pilot with the g-forces, were there one inside), like some of the stuff recorded over Area 51 before the gov moved all the good hardware.

That does lend some credibility to Area 51 as being a non-conventional military base. It is a fact that they experiment with the latest technology. Many believe that the reason the aircraft are capable of these complex maneuvers that should be physically impossible by our understanding of science is because we are working with alien aircraft and utilizing the process of reverse-engineering and installing this technology, after it's founded out how it works, on our conventional craft or on aircraft never before seen or heard of.

While it is always possible that the military government is far more advanced that we know, it takes just as much blind faith that we're that advanced as it does to believe it has anything to do with aliens.

Although, it would be to America's benefit to keep these things secrets for as long as possible so as to not tip our hand in any future wars we may be in that would use this technology.

Although again, we shouldn't assume that war or military might is the only reason for the technology.

Although, yey again, (lol) we shouldn't assume that the government does not put survival and superiority over everything else. Wouldn't they need to in order to ensure a standing army, fleet, and airforce?

I guess the question is how much is too much. We've been capable of defending this country with less. Do we really need overkill or are we just preparing all of this because the other militarys of the world are too?

When you consider what Korea and co. are doing, it really makes you wonder whether its wise to just sit on our thumbs and just bank on our position in the world rather than our material and guranteeing it beats theirs, hands down. I think for us to be where we are requires both.
 
a couple of aliens dropped out of the sky one day and tried to probe me. I took that probe and beat the living shit out of them. Trust me when I say, they wont be coming back. :firedevil
 
I don't know.

I don't think too many people would come forward to confess something like being abducted.

I do, however, believe that if people were so inclined to, I can predict the mods seeing an awful lot of double accounts being created.

Prepare for an onslaught of users with one post count, :jester:
 
Dussicar said:
I don't know.

I don't think too many people would come forward to confess something like being abducted.

Well, if people are going to think they're crazy, obsessed, and attention-starved, then yeah. That seems to be the stereotype for these people. Hardly anyone but the professionals who deal with this sort of thing take them seriously, and even the professionals are laughed at, but not nearly as much as real, actual, ghostbusters....go figure. 😀 LOL
 
but maybe...

kered said:
If my buddy Ill took a chance so will I. There were a few times years ago when I think I tried to wake up but couldn't move or open my eyes and there was sound like a high wind. I just couldn't open my eyes. Don't know if it counts but a year or so ago I watched a TV show about abductions and some people had the same story. So you tell me 'cause I just don't know.


Kered, and others who have experienced a feeling of eery helplessness upong waking up, may want to consider the possibility that, rather than being contacted by a supernatural or extraterrestrial lifeform, they actually experienced a condition known as Sleep Paralysis. The symptoms described sound very close to the symptons of this disease. For more information, we consult the great wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

Happy Sleeping,

Dr. Meth, MD.
 
Sorry mate, don't believe that's ever happened to me. Plus I find it highly dubious that most accounts of UFO abductions happen to farmers milling about their cornfields in the American midwest 🙂

I do however believe other phenomona may exist, such as astral projection.
 
method11236 said:
Kered, and others who have experienced a feeling of eery helplessness upong waking up, may want to consider the possibility that, rather than being contacted by a supernatural or extraterrestrial lifeform, they actually experienced a condition known as Sleep Paralysis. The symptoms described sound very close to the symptons of this disease. For more information, we consult the great wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

Happy Sleeping,

Dr. Meth, MD.
I didn't really think it might be an abduction all that much. Increased stress and my irregular sleep schedule back then sounds more like what was really happening to me. Thanks for the article, Meth.
 
according to that test..it says 20% chance ive been abducted..but i always thought i WAS the alien? :evilha:
 
I fear my time will be coming verrry soon. God help those "beings" who abduct me, though, because nobody else will be able to.

Just remember aliens, or Kurii, or whoever the fuck you are...Nobody can hear you scream in space...hehehee.

Cheers. :devil2: :veryhappy
 
Celtic_Emperor said:
Well, if people are going to think they're crazy, obsessed, and attention-starved, then yeah. That seems to be the stereotype for these people. Hardly anyone but the professionals who deal with this sort of thing take them seriously, and even the professionals are laughed at, but not nearly as much as real, actual, ghostbusters....go figure. 😀 LOL


Yes. I figure that nobody in history could actually get away with coming forward to admit abduction.

On an alien related note, I do, however find certain stories disturbing but not for reasons of other worldy incident.

I remember seeing a story on unsolved mysteries once where a mother, her young son, and her mother were driving in the country. They saw a light in the sky and it decended upon them. It shone brightly into the car for a while and then it left.

Though I could be screwing this story up as I had seen it years ago, I think I recall them saying that it was followed closely by a military helicopter. I believe there was a base nearby.

A year or so later, the three became ill with a strange disease that was either terminal, or at the very least dehibilitating. I can't really remember. They put two and two together and confronted the U.S. Airforce.

Long story short, though I cannot remember how the whole thing played out, but it seemed there were some small holes in the airforces story or sum such. The three tried to sue them but you can figure how that went. They, of course, lost.

Though I highly doubt that a UFO was involved, it still makes you wonder to a small extent.

Me, I figure it was some type of weapons test done by the airforce. If Police issue radar guns can cause cancer, then why couldn't the military do something like that on purpose?

Heh. Don't take my word for it. I am filled with two things: Shit and conspiracy theories. :blaugh:

PS: Nice to see you here again, Vlad...Or I guess I should get used to calling you CELT. 😀
 
Dussicar said:
Yes. I figure that nobody in history could actually get away with coming forward to admit abduction.

On an alien related note, I do, however find certain stories disturbing but not for reasons of other worldy incident.

I remember seeing a story on unsolved mysteries once where a mother, her young son, and her mother were driving in the country. They saw a light in the sky and it decended upon them. It shone brightly into the car for a while and then it left.

Though I could be screwing this story up as I had seen it years ago, I think I recall them saying that it was followed closely by a military helicopter. I believe there was a base nearby.

A year or so later, the three became ill with a strange disease that was either terminal, or at the very least dehibilitating. I can't really remember. They put two and two together and confronted the U.S. Airforce.

Long story short, though I cannot remember how the whole thing played out, but it seemed there were some small holes in the airforces story or sum such. The three tried to sue them but you can figure how that went. They, of course, lost.

Though I highly doubt that a UFO was involved, it still makes you wonder to a small extent.

Me, I figure it was some type of weapons test done by the airforce. If Police issue radar guns can cause cancer, then why couldn't the military do something like that on purpose?

Heh. Don't take my word for it. I am filled with two things: Shit and conspiracy theories. :blaugh:

PS: Nice to see you here again, Vlad...Or I guess I should get used to calling you CELT. 😀

Alternatively, to the alien theory, many believe that the aliens are actually government and military scientist personal who abduct people and inject them with hallucenatory substances so as to cover up the experiments they perform on innocent civilians.

When they drug them with these agents, its highly probable that the "aliens" are actually scientists, and the drugs are used to lead the victims to believe it was aliens, which is something they'll never be able to prove, and they'll be written off as crazy. Its a perfect cover story.

Hypnotic regression of such individuals states that when they recall the incident, they remember men in doctors suits and masks, and not aliens. Or, they saw aliens, but the figures interacted in a distinctly human way and even spoke verbally, which aliens supposedly cannot do (they're presumably telepaths). Others state that while the people manipulating them appeared alien, they could make out men in miltary fatigues and class-a uniforms in the background, watching them.

If this is all true, then this is perhaps one of the greatest atrocities being commited against americans by their own government, all for the sake of progress.

PS:

Hi. LOL 😀
 
I was watching a documentary about UFO sightings and they said a fairly large percentage of the population believes they've been adbucted by aliens, so I figure we must have a few here. Raise your hand if you've had a close encounter of the third kind...

I know a lot of people are going to want to say stupid things in this thread, but please keep it to a minimum, because I'm genuinely curious about this.



Serious things I can do; not posting stupid things... that may take some effort. lol

I would probably have posted in this thread at the time it was started, had I noticed it. I was actually looking for another thread on the same subject I posted in a couple or three years back and found this one listed in the search.

Yes, I am an abductee. I have been for most of my life and have known consciously about it since roughly the age of 12. I have been actively involved in trying to learn more about what’s happened since I was 19, which is when I managed to convince my parents that what I was telling them about was true. (When I told them at age 12, they told me they thought I was dreaming.)

I had encounters as a very young child (pre-school) and occasionally up to the age of 12. Around 13 things got progressively worse and more frequent, including some very stressful incidents that were somewhere around the age of 15. I had depression for years of which this was the underlying cause. Of course, it could also be suggested that I had depression and externalised the condition onto a psychological fantasy. I imagine that would be something that more logically minded people would suggest. I have had physical marks and scars left on me after abductions though, including one permanent one, a triangle on the base of my left thumb.

I was always aware of unusual things happening to me on certain nights as a kid, but didn’t know what to make of them. As someone said earlier, you do have memory blockages to a large extent too, so recall is unreliable usually. Why this blockage occurs isn’t certain: the mind can automatically create amnesia when the conscious has difficulty dealing with something traumatic, and I’ve heard someone suggest it’s caused by the beings themselves. I have no idea which, if either, is true.

Anyway, at 12 I realised what exactly it was when I saw a program on TV. A woman with an incredibly thick “New Yoiker” accent was talking about her incidents and a drawing of the beings she saw flashed up on screen. It was of course, a picture of a “grey”; a being that has since saturated the mass consciousness of the western world. In my defence though, this was only 1989 or 1990 and it had yet to do so.

Now I couldn’t remember the main details of what had been happening to me, I could only remember being taken away places I couldn’t remember in detail and having things done to me that left marks (bruises, red wheals and the aforementioned triangular scar) on my body. Some deep part of me did recognise that grey face however, and the shock was extremely powerful and physical. I felt physically sick.

That little incident started the trickle of memories coming back that have continued for the past eighteen years or so. They usually surface within a few weeks of something happening.

These days I run a small and private web community that acts as a kind of support group for people who’s been abducted. The diverse range of opinions on our shared experience is quite surprising actually. Some feel positive, most feel overwhelmingly negative. Myself, I’m somewhere in the middle.

In the past few years I’ve seen a few depictions on TV of alien abduction. Most of them are complete bullshit. The depiction of it in Independence Day (alien flick with Jeff Goldblum and Will Smith) makes me cringe. Seriously, it’s right up there with being caught masturbating in the back of the church by the local reverend, it’s that bad. It’s stereotypes like this that have painted us as a gang of deluded weirdoes to most people who don’t know anything about the subject or the evidence behind it.

Fire In The Sky is total crap also. The inside of the craft looks more like a dumpster than a piece of sophisticated engineering.

There is however a film that is mostly spot on. It’s quite old now, so the biggest errors in it are the ones caused by the limited budget stretching to only cheapo special effects. It’s called Intruders and I think it was originally a miniseries. It’s now out on DVD as a full length movie however, and very accurately depicts the experience, although only really superficially. Some of the small detail it understates, but gets spot on. That makes it all the more powerful when watching it from a position of knowing what the real thing is like. The abductees react to the coldness of the table when laid on it, a good detail. The whole place is usually very cool, but the table especially. (Imagine being laid on a block of ice wearing nothing but a grimace and you’ll understand.) The table isn’t shaped like a coffin like it is in the movie however, but I guess that could be symbolism on the part of the writers. In the “operating theater” you can see stuff going on in the background, with other beings working behind windows or at other tables. Not mentioned directly in the script, but accurate. There are also differences in the physical appearance of the beings, but this may be because of the cheap latex they’re made out of. For something done in the early 90’s it’s pretty good though.
 
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A very interesting subject, and honestly I too have been fascinated with such. I do watch a lot of UFO tales and such when I get the chance. I even have a DVD from a Discovery channel show a few years back dealing with UFO's and abductions. Always found it a great thing to watch.

Rob

EDIT: This is a serious thread, I apologize for my earlier outburst.
 
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Sorry mate, don't believe that's ever happened to me. Plus I find it highly dubious that most accounts of UFO abductions happen to farmers milling about their cornfields in the American midwest 🙂

They don't. The people who've reported this happening to them are an almost perfect cross section of social classes, occupations and psychological backgrounds. What you've just mentioned is a stereotype that is extremely inaccurate.

I do however believe other phenomona may exist, such as astral projection.

It does.
 
COOL! Seriously didn't know any of that. Is there any like research on why they pick who they pick?

Just idle speculation I think. I have a few theories myself, but am probably already coming across as weird enough, so I'll keep them to myself for the time being.
 
If there is it's merely opinionated conjecture (which is where the more silly conspiracy theories come from).

People were only willing to agree with the 5 phases of Close Encounters because it doesn't inject any personal bias into the situation. It simply states the phases and what occures in them.

EDIT:

To give you an example though, I guess you say they choose individuals from a bloodline and keep abducting people from your bloodline to see where evolution takes that particular line.

Many people believe that aliens have been abducting people since the beginning of the human race, and keep very vast records of each bloodline they've watched over. Some even believe they may have tampered with our biological development.

This explanation also explains tracking devices and implanting their subjects (so that no matter where you go or where you are, they can keep track of you).

It is commonly believed that a person is never abducted just once in this case, but possibly many times over the course of a lifetime. This would explain their need for updated and current data as you age and your body changes.

1/ There does seem to be evidence for this running in families. Why this is, I don't know. I doubt the idea of tracking evolution is the right one though.

2/ "Implants" aren't exactly tracking devices, so far as I understand. They can be used for that, but that's not what they're really for. Every person has an imprint, a kind of bio-electrical/magnetic fingerprint that can be read through the brainwaves. This "fingerprint" is recorded during early life (in a serial abductee) and can be used to find someone virtually wherever they are.

3/ Most abductees are serial ones (I think), but this is not always the case. There are one-offs.
 
But wait a minute...don't they erase your memory after those abductions? I mean, how would you know if you can't remember?

The loss of memory cannot yet be attributed to any one cause. It may indeed be a combination of things. :idunno:

Memory can return in different ways. Most times it trickles back of its own accord, once it has started. I’ve noted above what it was that started my own recall. In two cases I know of there was never any amnesia in the first place. Unfortunate for one; because it was a young boy who was freaked beyond all belief.
 
The distinguishing trait of this ability in people is that they are aware they are dreaming. Its believed people, when asleep, are in an astral state in their mind, where nothing is impossible. This also has ties to the psychic phenominon, but thats another subject entirely.

Rather like being Neo inside the Matrix.
 
Just an afterthought, if anyone actually wants to ask a serious question, go ahead. I don't guarantee to know the answer and if I do, it'll only be an opinion. Having cancer doesn't make one an expert on cell mutation after all.

But if you've got a question, feel free to shoot.
 
I specifically asked people to keep the fucking around in this thread to a minimum, so I hope you two are done...

Well, if one takes the original question at face value, the overwhelmingly most likely true answer to the question, based on the best evidence, is "probably no one". Which, of course, would make for a rather short thread. Assuming we're talking about extraterrestrial "aliens", of course, as opposed to, say, illegal immigrants.

However if one interprets the question to mean, who believes they've been abducted by "aliens", or who believes others have been, or may have been, so abducted...well, I guess people will believe whatever they want to believe...and the wild fantasies might know no bounds. Although I think it might be a bit of a stretch to expect fully rational people to take such outlandish and completely unfounded claims too seriously.

Aliens in Roswell

The Alien Invasion of Phoenix, Arizona

Fire in the Sky: A Real UFO Abduction?
 
Just an afterthought, if anyone actually wants to ask a serious question, go ahead. I don't guarantee to know the answer and if I do, it'll only be an opinion. Having cancer doesn't make one an expert on cell mutation after all.

But if you've got a question, feel free to shoot.
You mentioned how most Hollywood depictions of abduction scenarios are ludicrous, and I would tend to agree. Have you seen the X-Files at all? I ask because that show more than any other seems to have brought some serious thought to this topic, without the smirky camp normally associated with it.

There's also a late night radio show called Coast To Coast with George Nori. They deal not only with alien abduction but people with a wide range of paranormal experiences. I'd be curious to know if you've an opinion to offer on that as well.
 
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