who wishes they lived during the middle ages?

[Deadsea7777]

Christopher

Yeah, and the caliphates (you mean the Umayyads?)that were so advanced were stopped by the Franks who were not quite on the verge of crawling out of their Barbarian cocoon.
Yes I mean the Omeyas but what's your point?, do your equal civilization or being advanced with brute force?

Not that I have any problems with barbarians. Some of the most beautiful things and insightful ideas have come from them. I rather like barbarian cultures. Highly underrated.
Maybe, like the Muslim culture. Highly underrated. Medieval times without muslims is like wine without alcohol or sex without orgasm. Very incomplete.

But we should stop this. History debates have very little to do with the point of the thread
Is not an historical debate (??), you are too serious, at best it can be an observation on eurocentrism and not even that.

 

[QueenMari]

No,because it really wasn't all that common.A lot of times people were tortured in more severe ways.Like a woman would get a spiked ball on her tongue for talking back.They were placed in cages and left for days no matter what the weather conditions.They could be whipped and flogged.Tickling was not common and if it did happen it was because of a playful passerby.If you were in stocks it was to shame you and people would throw things at you like apples,oranges or even bottles;they may hit you or spit on you.
As for the goat licking that was only ticklish for a little while before it became very painful.

 

[nenezinho]

For those who believe in that, often i think i really lived in middle ages. Most of the chivalry code is still so strong in me in a way that it feels almost like a religion sometimes.

And it´s nothing specially from my parents education. Either it came from books or it was already here. That and kind of a thrill i had the first moment i knew about chivalry and those medieval tournaments (i was 6 and imediately fascinated).

And of course....i simply love horses!!!!

Now go figure.....

 

[Gadilici]

Lol. And your view is Muslim-centric...point?

And the Moors outnumbered the Franks. Brute force was on their side.

Christopher

 

[TickleSharpay]

ehh...middle ages were kinda gross. no electricity either :/ i often fantasize about a world like today where everybody's tickled haha or more mainly everybody wants to tickle me (; haha

 

[Rectangle]

I'd live in the Middle Ages, but not for any reason related to tickling.

I'm Orthodox, I've got Russian lineage, and I'd jump at the chance to be a druzhinnik or streltsy, fighting against the Tatars or something, I dunno.

But tickling? No way man, people back then had nasty feet. Nasty bodies period.
Nasty nasty.


P.S.

Eastern Europe > Western Europe anyday! Woot!

 

[Deadsea7777]

Lol. And your view is Muslim-centric...point?

And the Moors outnumbered the Franks. Brute force was on their side.

Christopher

Muslim centric? Why? At the middles ages the Muslim empires were a better place to live than the Christian kingdoms. Like today Europe and the USA are a better place to live than the Muslim countries. I think in different times different places and cultures are better to live in.

Why you equate numbers with brute force? that's an incorrect concept, a single man with an atomic bomb has much more brute force than a million army. And again brute force and civilization do not go hand to hand.

Why is so difficult for you to accept that it is possible that in the middles ages there were perhaps better places to live than the Christian kingdoms in Europe? Why does it bothers you so much??? Maybe by 2070 China would be the best place to live in the world. So what?

 

[Rectangle]

Muslim centric? Why? At the middles ages the Muslim empires were a better place to live than the Christian kingdoms. Like today Europe and the USA are a better place to live than the Muslim countries. I think in different times different places and cultures are better to live in.

Why you equate numbers with brute force? that's an incorrect concept, a single man with an atomic bomb has much more brute force than a million army. And again brute force and civilization do not go hand to hand.

Why is so difficult for you to accept that it is possible that in the middles ages there were perhaps better places to live than the Christian kingdoms in Europe? Why does it bothers you so much??? Maybe by 2070 China would be the best place to live in the world. So what?

What?

Do you have any idea what Muslims did to people that broke the "law of Allah"?

 

[rhiannon]

What?

Do you have any idea what Muslims did to people that broke the "law of Allah"?

Was it worse than what Christians did to people who worshipped Satan?

 

[Rectangle]

Was it worse than what Christians did to people who worshipped Satan?

Which Christian?

We're talking Middle Ages.
So, Eastern Church or Western? (Orthodox or Catholic)



Catholics werent the only Christians you know.

And the Orthodox were either too busy getting persecuted, or too busy enjoying their newfound freedom to do much persecuting.

We had no Crusades (The Catholics even attacked US)


And keep in mind, up until roughly 200 years ago, most of the Levant (Israel, Syria, Lebanon, etc..) was still Orthodox Christian.
It was predominately Christian for hundreds of years after the Muslims took it over.

So even there, any peace you find in a Muslim "Empire" there could easily be written off as the effects of the Christian influence on a barbaric Muslim horde.

AND they were Christian in spite of their near slave status within the Muslim world. having to pay the "Jizyah", being unable to look Muslims in the eyes, being executed for things that would only have a Muslim fined.


The Muslims were friggin' evil back then. Any attempt to say otherwise is just revisionist history.

 

[rhiannon]

The Muslims were friggin' evil back then. Any attempt to say otherwise is just revisionist history.

PEOPLE were friggin evil back then (and are still now...). Whoever had the power would do whatever they could to those who were the minority. The Orthodox just happened to be the minority then, just like Catholic Christians during Roman times.

 

[Rectangle]

PEOPLE were friggin evil back then (and are still now...). Whoever had the power would do whatever they could to those who were the minority. The Orthodox just happened to be the minority then, just like Catholic Christians during Roman times.

Well, actually..

During Roman times, the Schism hadnt happened yet, so those were Orthodox Christians too 🙂

 

[rhiannon]

Then I guess we all started out the same now, didn't we.

 

[Rectangle]

Then I guess we all started out the same now, didn't we.

Well, no.

No Army took Orthodox Christianity to the Slavs. To Russia.
To Asia or to Africa.
To Alaska or around the Middle East.


It was not spread by the sword, but rather by ordinary men who went and usually died spreading the Word.


Islam, however, was consistently spread by the sword, from across the Middle East, to Africa, to Asia.
Muhammad himself slaughtered men by his own hand, and encouraged others to do the same.

Mecca did not "decide" to become Muslim, Mecca was conquered.
The Persian Empire did not "decide" to become Muslim. Persia was conquered.


The Byzantine Empire did not endeavor to conquer in the name of the Lord.
The Ottoman Empire, did.




The History of Orthodoxy is full to the brim with moments of suffering at the hands of, and the occasional defense against, Muslim aggression.


Even now, in a neighborhood in Istanbul, the Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople, Bartholomew, is living under house arrest, under persecution, spit upon every time he ventures outside his home, invited regularly to stand before religious leaders in the city and mocked in an attempt to humiliate him.
He receives death threats daily.

THAT is the face of Islam today, in our modern world.
To say that it was somehow kinder and gentler 1000 years ago is insane to the point of being laughable.

Nobody would make that argument with the Catholics.
"Oh, Catholics today are so much meaner than they were in the Middle Ages"


..yet they jump all over the chance to say such about Islam.




I've been to the Middle East. I've eaten in the homes of Christians in Iraq.
I know what they go through, daily.

I've heard the stories about how such-and-such's grandfather was beaten to death in the street while the local Imam clapped and cheered, watching on.


I lost every ounce of respect, admiration, or sympathy I had for "Islam" over there, because I've seen with my own eyes what they are capable of and what they are more than glad to do to you or me or anyone that does not submit to Allah.


The Middle Ages would have been no different.

 

[fygar]

Anybody think of what it would be like to live back when getting tickled was common punishment?
I always like reading that account of a goat licking the feet of someone for hours.....
So would you go somewhere like then if you could time travel?

It's a nice little fantasy. It really is and I love medieval stuff from reality to myth but, there are just far too many hazards awaiting the unwary traveler in an era like that to take a chance on it and besides, it would be selfish to even try because of the "butterfly effect".

 

[Rectangle]

It's a nice little fantasy. It really is and I love medieval stuff from reality to myth but, there are just far too many hazards awaiting the unwary traveler in an era like that to take a chance on it and besides, it would be selfish to even try because of the "butterfly effect".

Bwahaha!

Go back in time and manipulate events and make Romania the world's foremost superpower! 😀

 

[Deadsea7777]

What?

Do you have any idea what Muslims did to people that broke the "law of Allah"?

The same things that Christians did to other people. And Mongols did to other people, and Romans did to other people, and Spanish did to the indians in america, and Nazis did to other people and so on and so on. They did what humans have always done to other humans just because they were not from their pack (nation religion, sex, sex habits etc, etc).

That does not change the fact that the arab empires were a better place to live at that time. Their were at the peak of their culture and development. The arabig numbers created in India were introduced by the arabs to Occident, a lot of the texts of the grecolatin antiquity are preserved in muslim copies only. Paper was also introduced by the arabs from China as well as gunpower. Their commerce was rich and very developed. Sciences also were developed, alcohol is an arab word we all use in Occident just to give a few examples.

Of course if you were not a Muslim you were a piece of shit, just like if in Europe you were not a Christian. But if since this is a fantasy I can choose to be whatever, and in the middle ages it was very good to be a rich Muslim, better than to be a rich Christian. In relative terms much better than to be a Muslim today.

Muslims are human beings like all the others, they cry, they love, they hate they die. And sometimes their countries got better economies and development than the Christians countries....so what?. Why is so difficult to recognize a Muslim as a human being?

And why do you hate them so much to the point that just a mention of their countries/Empires int he Middle ages to be a better place to live than Christian Europe spark your fury? Hate is like the salty water of the sea....a poison and the more you drink the more you want until you die. You disagree with my point of view ....OK, this is only a fetish forum, move on.

They are just human being man despite Osama, like the germans are just human beings despite Hitler. Humans beings just like you or me.

 

[Rectangle]

They are just human being man despite Osama, like the germans are just human beings despite Hitler. Humans beings just like you or me.

Humans like everyone else, therefore not to be trusted.
Especially when they lay their allegiance to a pedophile who murdered people.


This concept of a "Islamic renaissance" is a fallacy and a lie.

They stole ideas from those they conquered, persecuted those they did not agree with, rubbed women's noses into their own feces and were constantly looking for someone else to kill.

The legacy of your "Middle Age Muslim Utopia" is seen today in the lands left over after your Muslim empires fell.

Some of the most f**ked up places in the world today are Muslim, a constant reminder of the cultures of those f**ked up empires you speak of.



Hate? You want hate? Try shoving the body of a beheaded three year old in a garbage bag after she was killed for taking a soccer ball from the "Christian invader".

You go, and see shit like that time and time again and then come back and lecture me on my "hate"

F**k Islam, Nuke Mecca.
Period.

 

[Deadsea7777]

Humans like everyone else, therefore not to be trusted.

You are human too, I suppose, therefore according to your own words not to be trusted? Shooting your own foot????

I do not lecture you, when I lecture I got paid in advance. And anyway with you it would be a waist of time, even Gandhi would have given up on you.

So since this dialogue is going down the road to hate, I cut it off. You got your right to one more replay. Use is wisely.

 

[Rectangle]

. You got your right to one more replay. Use is wisely.

Sure.

You are human too, I suppose, therefore according to your own words not to be trusted?

Nope.

 

[Mephistopheles]

Mankind is savage, regardless of religion. Some are just a bit better at restraining their savage nature than others, but that depends on the person.

 

[Rectangle]

Apologies for getting hostile earlier in the thread, I was a little tipsy and:

Alcohol + Me + The Middle East = Bad Juju.

Sry bout' that.

 

[fygar]

Mankind is savage, regardless of religion. Some are just a bit better at restraining their savage nature than others, but that depends on the person.

So true.