Why Are Most Clips Girl-on-Girl?

[Mephistopheles]

May I ask why you are buying tickling clips for and why it matters if anyone is naked in it since tickling is not sexual to you?

As the great Samwise Gamgee once said:

always a pleasure to see the female body.

 

[Chronic]

You have a point. Although G on G is higher demand. Multiple guys on 1 girl is another VERY GOOD alternative!

 

[tkl-pen]

May I ask why you are buying tickling clips for and why it matters if anyone is naked in it since tickling is not sexual to you?

Of course, Rhiannon. I do buy tickling clips because I believe in supporting the producers - they make a product that I like at the expense of models, equipment and locations - they should be paid for their work. If I buy any other video, such as a regular movie, it is because I enjoy watching the movie, not because it is sexual to me.

As I have said in previous responses, the ticklee should be naked so that she feels and looks more vulnerable in a tickle torture video. The man doing the tickling, if it is a m/f clip, should not be naked since I, like most other men, on this forum do not want to see a naked man. Also, if he is not naked while she is naked, that again increases the sense of the vulnerability and helplessness of the girl being tickled. If it is a f/f clip, I don't really care if the girl doing the tickling is naked or not.

I don't understand, though, Rhiannon, why you are having trouble with the idea that tickling is not sexual to me. I like tickling a girl, and I like watching a girl being tickled, both in tight restraint, as I also like to see and/or apply the bastinado, flogger, or whip. To me, it is a passion and not a sexual fetish. I do not get off sexually on these things but I do enjoy them as an activity.

Please understand, too, Rhiannon, that I do not mean to come across as holier-than-thou like some people think. I just don't see things in the same way sometimes. That doesn't mean that I am better, in my view, but only that I am an individual and perhaps different.

 

[Hangtenfeet]

Agree...

I agree, I prefer M/F tickling, not girl on girl tickling, but producers will go with what sells the most. In my experience the tickling material sold way better than even the footjob material but I have never ran a marketing anaylsis with M/F versus F/F tickling over time. Has anyone else that produces clips?

 

[tkl-pen]

Should? Naturally? Uh, may I ask why? You say it as if it were a given, like you assume that everyone wants female ticklees to be naked. Is this a prerequisite no one has bothered telling me about?

To me, Francois, it increases the appearance of helplessness and vulnerability of the ticklee. This is the reason that I do not film videos of my stories in Canada, since a naked girl in tight bondage being tickle tortured and screaming no-no-no is, to the best of my knowledge, unlawful in this country. I quite enjoy some of your clips with girls in jeans being tickled, but in a tickle torture video I prefer the additional helplessness that nudity, or partial nudity like panties only, provides.

 

[Libertine]

I don't understand, though, Rhiannon, why you are having trouble with the idea that tickling is not sexual to me. I like tickling a girl, and I like watching a girl being tickled, both in tight restraint, as I also like to see and/or apply the bastinado, flogger, or whip. To me, it is a passion and not a sexual fetish. I do not get off sexually on these things but I do enjoy them as an activity.

I understand this point of view completely. On several occasions in my life, I have found that my somewhat substantial member has become erect, and should a willing female be within range, and amenable to shedding her clothing, I have placed it within whichever aperture she has chosen to make available to me, and subsequently agitated it in that location for a considerable period of time. While the activity is pleasant enough, it is definitely not sexual, and I would be most offended if someone, against all evidence to the contrary, maintained that this was the case. However, along with spanking and bondage, I consider it a mildly enjoyable pastime, roughly on a level with needlework or origami.

 

[The Last Laugh]

To me, Francois, it increases the appearance of helplessness and vulnerability of the ticklee.

If that's how you feel about it, that's fine. But don't say it like it's the only way it can be enjoyed, like it's obviously the correct/best way to do it. Not everyone feels that way, far from it.

This is the reason that I do not film videos of my stories in Canada, since a naked girl in tight bondage being tickle tortured and screaming no-no-no is, to the best of my knowledge, unlawful in this country.

That's news to me. Are you saying the laws in Canada about that sort of thing are more strict than in the generally more conservative USA?

I quite enjoy some of your clips with girls in jeans being tickled, but in a tickle torture video I prefer the additional helplessness that nudity, or partial nudity like panties only, provides.

That's just the thing. *You* prefer it that way. I don't have a problem with that. We all have our personal preferences. It's just not what you seemed to be saying.

 

[c7_assassin]

I understand this point of view completely. On several occasions in my life, I have found that my somewhat substantial member has become erect, and should a willing female be within range, and amenable to shedding her clothing, I have placed it within whichever aperture she has chosen to make available to me, and subsequently agitated it in that location for a considerable period of time. While the activity is pleasant enough, it is definitely not sexual, and I would be most offended if someone, against all evidence to the contrary, maintained that this was the case. However, along with spanking and bondage, I consider it a mildly enjoyable pastime, roughly on a level with needlework or origami.

Indeed. Much like my passion for boobies.

 

[Deadsea7777]

Of course, Rhiannon. I do buy tickling clips because I believe in supporting the producers - they make a product that I like at the expense of models, equipment and locations - they should be paid for their work. If I buy any other video, such as a regular movie, it is because I enjoy watching the movie, not because it is sexual to me.

As I have said in previous responses, the ticklee should be naked so that she feels and looks more vulnerable in a tickle torture video. The man doing the tickling, if it is a m/f clip, should not be naked since I, like most other men, on this forum do not want to see a naked man. Also, if he is not naked while she is naked, that again increases the sense of the vulnerability and helplessness of the girl being tickled. If it is a f/f clip, I don't really care if the girl doing the tickling is naked or not.

I don't understand, though, Rhiannon, why you are having trouble with the idea that tickling is not sexual to me. I like tickling a girl, and I like watching a girl being tickled, both in tight restraint, as I also like to see and/or apply the bastinado, flogger, or whip. To me, it is a passion and not a sexual fetish. I do not get off sexually on these things but I do enjoy them as an activity.

Please understand, too, Rhiannon, that I do not mean to come across as holier-than-thou like some people think. I just don't see things in the same way sometimes. That doesn't mean that I am better, in my view, but only that I am an individual and perhaps different.

My couple of cents;

I do not have any trouble to accept the idea that tickling can be not sexual.
A kiss can be not sexual (ever kiss your grandmother/father), a caress can be not sexual (a mother/father displaying affection to their children). Ticking games between siblings etc.
The sexuality of all those human acts is given by the context. Kissing you lover in the mouth is sexual; caressing your lover is sexual too.
So nobody can said “tickling/caressing/kissing is non sexual to me”. All depends on the context in which those acts are performed. Sometimes, it would be non-sexual and sometimes it would be, for all people.

Is also true what you said that nakedness increase vulnerability. In the documentary of the BBC “The World at War” in the chapter about the extermination camps it explain that the Nazis got the prisoners naked in order to depress them psychologically before sending them to the gas chamber and therefore have less resistance. Among strangers, to have somebody naked and the others not, automatically put the naked person in a lower mental position, is instinctive.

So you say that you can perform an act of tickling torture to a naked, vulnerable tied up girl, and it would not be sexual for you.

That begs the question: Are you sexually aroused in any way by contemplating a beautiful naked woman tied up?
Because if you are; then when you tickle her in the context of sexual arousal it is a sexual act.

Now, to be aroused by the stimulus of seeing a beautiful naked woman is an instinctive response in men, meaning all men experiment it. You may not act upon that instinctive response but you would feel it.

Therefore, I could believe that maybe tickling a fully dressed beautiful woman may be not sexual for a man, maybe for the sake of the argument. However, tickling/kissing/ caressing/etc. a beautiful gorgeous naked woman would always be sexual for a man, because to be sexually aroused in that case is a matter of an instinctive response triggered by the nakedness of the beautiful woman.

 

[Mirage]

I like the economic ring of this reasoning; F/F two for the price of one is better. Impeccable.
Nevertheless should female prefer M/M following the same logic? somehow it does not feel that way, but I am guessing, I am not a woman.

Being a straight girl, I would more prefer M/F to any other combination. Seen two f/f is boring : sight of the woman together is not a turn on for me, there has to be a man there, at least "for the content only" ,as someone here mentioned.

As for M/M....absolutelly not....in economic terms I would say that it has diminishing returns to scale : adding one more penis to the clip diminishes excitement derived from viewing it, and hence less utility reseived.

Deadsea777 and Libertine good job you two.

 

[shark]

I personally prefer m/f. I've gotten f/f clips, but in cases where a particular lee, clip theme, or producer is involved.

That goes for nylon vs barefoot as well. If a compromise in the works, you have to decide whether it's worth it to you as a customer.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

Because it's an assumption that most guys watch/buy clips than girls do. And it's another assumption that girls don't really prefer F/F. Which is so untrue.

 

[rhiannon]

I do buy tickling clips because I believe in supporting the producers

That is a very original reason to buy porn...seriously, haven't heard that one yet. 🙂

If I buy any other video, such as a regular movie, it is because I enjoy watching the movie, not because it is sexual to me.

In a regular movie, there is something happening. There is a plot. There is Indiana Jones swinging his whip!! But don't tell me you are buying a porn movie because you are interested in the plot, I wouldn't believe it. 🙂

I don't understand, though, Rhiannon, why you are having trouble with the idea that tickling is not sexual to me.

I don't have trouble with the idea that tickling is not sexual to you. I know there are people who don't consider it sexual ALL THE TIME on this board, but I doubt there are a whole lot who NEVER feel like it's sexual.

I do have trouble with the idea of buying a tickling clip because you enjoy the plot, sorry. 🙂 You know, I also have some passions, like good food, but I won't buy a clip to watch someone eat! 🙂

In the documentary of the BBC “The World at War” in the chapter about the extermination camps it explain that the Nazis got the prisoners naked in order to depress them psychologically before sending them to the gas chamber and therefore have less resistance.

That is not completely correct! The prisoners did not know that they were sent into the gas chamber, they were told that they were going to get a shower! Naturally, they would have to get naked for that. Plus, the Nazis wanted to use all those clothes again, that wouldn't have been possible if they were poisened by the gas.

 

[Naughty Summer]

I have had a lot of requests for M/F tickling with the male getting tickled. But I have a very hard time finding a male that wants to be tickled. I don't know if it's a macho thing or just guys aren't as ticklish as females. They never seem to give me a straight answer. I have done a couple of M/F videos and would love to do more. So I'll keep trying!

 

[Mephistopheles]

I have had a lot of requests for M/F tickling with the male getting tickled. But I have a very hard time finding a male that wants to be tickled. I don't know if it's a macho thing or just guys aren't as ticklish as females. They never seem to give me a straight answer. I have done a couple of M/F videos and would love to do more. So I'll keep trying!

I think you will be getting quite a few PMs after this post.

 

[Mirage]

I think you will be getting quite a few PMs after this post.

and not just from man

 

[Deadsea7777]

That is not completely correct! The prisoners did not know that they were sent into the gas chamber, they were told that they were going to get a shower! Naturally, they would have to get naked for that. Plus, the Nazis wanted to use all those clothes again, that wouldn't have been possible if they were poisened by the gas.

You are right they did not know. They were told about the shower in order to get them naked. Is also true they use the clothes again, specially the camp uniforms. But their whole strategy to get them naked was that the diminish self-confidence of the prisoners made them easy to be handed in mass or huge lots by relatively few men. Naked people among strangers are under a stress situation and very much less aggressive. The shower was the trick to make it believable. Nakedness make all people to feel more vulnerable unless a feeling of trust does exist that avoid at least partially the stress of being naked among strangers.

 

[Deadsea7777]

I have had a lot of requests for M/F tickling with the male getting tickled. But I have a very hard time finding a male that wants to be tickled. I don't know if it's a macho thing or just guys aren't as ticklish as females. They never seem to give me a straight answer. I have done a couple of M/F videos and would love to do more. So I'll keep trying!

If I can tickle you back, after you finish with me, I am in. And you are for the payback of a lifetime.

PS: Forgot to say, I am not ticklish, so you are being cheated.

 

[tkl-pen]

That is a very original reason to buy porn...seriously, haven't heard that one yet. 🙂



In a regular movie, there is something happening. There is a plot. There is Indiana Jones swinging his whip!! But don't tell me you are buying a porn movie because you are interested in the plot, I wouldn't believe it. 🙂



I don't have trouble with the idea that tickling is not sexual to you. I know there are people who don't consider it sexual ALL THE TIME on this board, but I doubt there are a whole lot who NEVER feel like it's sexual.

I do have trouble with the idea of buying a tickling clip because you enjoy the plot, sorry. 🙂 You know, I also have some passions, like good food, but I won't buy a clip to watch someone eat! 🙂

Rhiannon, you took the idea of supporting the producers in a way that I did not intend. I presume it's because I am not expressing my thoughts in the best possible way. I meant that I buy the clips to support the producers as opposed to getting the clips free on the internet from other people, which I consider unlawful and unethical.

Secondly, because tickling is not a sexual activity to me, I do not consider the clips we buy from producers like Tickle Abuse, James Darke, and others to be porn. To me porn is those movies where you see two people having sex. I would never buy any of those because they are not my taste.

Thirdly, the idea of a plot is something that I am always writing tickling clip producers about. If you have seen my posts, you will see that I have sent many responses asking for a plot - to see why the girl is there, to see her taken to the place she will be tickled and then for the tickling to take place. Only the other day, a producer posted a clip where he said that the girl did not want to accept a business offer and then ended up tickle tortured until she did accept it. That's a plot. Tickle Japan regularly does clips where a female spy is captured and tickled to reveal information. That, again, is a plot. I wish more clip producers would develop story lines.

I do like to see a beautiful naked, like any other man, but I don't get a sexual arousal the moment I do. Certainly, if she was to interact sexually with me, I would become aroused. But that is not what we're talking about here. As for your food example, you would not buy a video to watch someone eat, but I expect you would buy a video in which you see the food being prepared, or a cookbook, perhaps.

I understand that tickling is sexual to you and, therefore, you see a tickling video as pornographic. Since tickling is not sexual to me, I do not see it that way.

 

[BlackestLily]

I tend to have mixed feelings on this subject. Virtually all of the material my studio has produced this past year has been m/f, BUT, seeing as how there is such a huge following for f/f I decided to give it a go and shoot our first f/f tickling scene. Wouldn't you know...it's the only clip that we have that isn't selling. LOL!

So, who knows? LOL! It just comes down to personal preference...I suppose it's kind of like asking someone why they prefer chocolate over vanilla (or vise-versa). 🙂

If you've built a following based on your abilities and certain appeal, people will probably not welcome a newcomer as much, even if it ends up being f/f. It just seems more of a generic thing when they haven't been consistently present. But also I'm guessing your attractiveness level doesn't hurt. If a male ler is considered unattractive and his face his pasted all over the video, I don't think it will sell as well. I think of it like the movies, they always pick the lead roll that people want to relate to or see themselves in.

So for me, I don't mind m/f or f/f, it depends on their tickling ability and presence over the lee...and then also level of attractiveness for me. For my sexual preferences and preferring dominant men, however, females tend not to have as much of a PHYSICALLY dominating presence for me, so I don't see it as attractive as I might if a muscular guy was doing the lering. But if a female had a very commanding feel about her and seemed quit able to keep the lee in a certain state, I'd like it just as well.

All 2 paragraphs of my 2 cents. 🙂

 

[c7_assassin]

Rhiannon, you took the idea of supporting the producers in a way that I did not intend. I presume it's because I am not expressing my thoughts in the best possible way. I meant that I buy the clips to support the producers as opposed to getting the clips free on the internet from other people, which I consider unlawful and unethical.

Then you were just ducking the actual question. Or you're backpedalling.

Secondly, because tickling is not a sexual activity to me, I do not consider the clips we buy from producers like Tickle Abuse, James Darke, and others to be porn. To me porn is those movies where you see two people having sex. I would never buy any of those because they are not my taste.

I think you're confused about what 'porn' means. It's media that is produced for the purpose of sexual excitation; tickling videos clearly count. This is why it's weird for some of us when you admit that you buy them, but you don't get off from watching them because tickling is not sexual to you. Do you see where we're getting confused?

I do like to see a beautiful naked, like any other man, but I don't get a sexual arousal the moment I do. Certainly, if she was to interact sexually with me, I would become aroused. But that is not what we're talking about here.

So by this logic, porn wouldn't even be porn to you, since it doesn't arouse you? That's not really how it works. You're just mincing words.

I understand that tickling is sexual to you and, therefore, you see a tickling video as pornographic. Since tickling is not sexual to me, I do not see it that way.

Then I must ask, why do you watch them? If it's for a reason other than sexual arousal, you have to know that you're in the minority, right?

 

[tkl-pen]

I guess I am in the minority and perhaps I should just give up trying to explain myself. Maybe I don't even understand myself. To me, a tickling video is purely entertainment. It's no different than the girl strapped down on a table in the original Casino Royale movie or the damsel-in-distress movies. If porn is produced for sexual excitation, then tickling clips cannot be porn, since they don't sexually excite me. I think I'll give up and accede to your opinion, that of Rhiannon and others.

 

[c7_assassin]

I guess I am in the minority and perhaps I should just give up trying to explain myself. Maybe I don't even understand myself. To me, a tickling video is purely entertainment. It's no different than the girl strapped down on a table in the original Casino Royale movie or the damsel-in-distress movies. If porn is produced for sexual excitation, then tickling clips cannot be porn, since they don't sexually excite me. I think I'll give up and accede to your opinion, that of Rhiannon and others.

Dude, I wasn't trying to bully you. It's just that tickling videos are porn, and you're just not appreciating them as porn. So I was trying to understand how you do appreciate them.

BTW, a hot girl strapped to a table would also turn me on...

 

[Texas_Tickle]

I have long wondered about this. In intense tickling videos, a woman looks much more vulnerable with a man tickling the hell out of her than with another woman doing it. With one woman tickling another, it looks to me like two girls playing together and that's about all. Are most men so insecure they can't watch another man tickling a woman, or is there another reason?

Most of the people here favor F/F over M/F M/F or F/M for that matter. Speaking as a producer, we produce what the people will purchase.

Ever watch the movie Joe Dirt? As Joe said 'It's not what you want, but what the consumers want'.

And it's true in any business.

 

[Babbles]

Always glad to find M/F , some F/M...

Producers know what sells the most --- though it's interesting that
some producers DO sell more M/F (though they might not be the norm)

which is a relief for me, since I really like the heterosexual interaction,
mostly M/F, some F/M --- I don't like f/f or m/m though I'll look occasionally

Might just be whoever's most vocal here & in the video section, but again I'd guess the producers know from sales & feedback
(And polls I guess, though those might not be the most reliable...)

But I can also see how it might not be sexual (though it involves touching & stimulation, etc.) ---- Some may view it as a rollercoaster ride ---
Big thrill, wild ride, but nothing sexual....

I can see that if you're tickling someone you find unattractive, especially ---- the appeal might be in tickling their feet or whatever, generically,
if you come across
such as --- maybe Fred Flintstone's feet sticking out of that fence 😛 You want to see them tickled but...
(I almost died when that appeared on TV when I was a kid)
Or any annoying female neighbor if that's your preference ---- (or Olive Oyl) the choice might be "sexual" in that you want to tickle a woman, for instance, since you may not want to touch a man,
but if it's someone unattractive ----

I'm guessing it might just be the feet themselves, or underarms, whatever tickle target is found to be vulnerable, sensitive, (preferred) etc, which are of interest, not the person overall

(though I guess that could also be said of those who find this sexual, they also focus upon certain body parts often).

But picturing Fred Flintstone ---- I can see how it can be a thrill without being sexual 😛