Why Are Most Clips Girl-on-Girl?

[ScorpionKing]

I have long wondered about this. In intense tickling videos, a woman looks much more vulnerable with a man tickling the hell out of her than with another woman doing it. With one woman tickling another, it looks to me like two girls playing together and that's about all. Are most men so insecure they can't watch another man tickling a woman, or is there another reason?

Are most men insecure about seeing a woman do something to another woman that they'd rather see a man do? Are you one of those chauvanistic men who thinks only a man can do this sort of thing to a woman? I dont mind M/F tickling but only if the guy is kept mostly off camera. The producer of Stuck in the Stocks does a good job of this. Also the guy who runs the Lets Tickle Ariel store is good also but I generally go for F/F foot tickling. I say the more prettier chicks the better.

I like the economic ring of this reasoning; F/F two for the price of one is better. Impeccable.
Nevertheless should female prefer M/M following the same logic? somehow it does not feel that way, but I am guessing, I am not a woman.

If men and women were wired the same then yes the same logic would apply but guess what? We aint the same. We aint created the same and we dont think the same. Most women dont even watch porn so this doesnt even factor.

 

[Babbles]

Stereotypes aren't a good reference.

Are most men insecure about seeing a woman do something to another woman that they'd rather see a man do? Are you one of those chauvanistic men who thinks only a man can do this sort of thing to a woman? I dont mind M/F tickling but only if the guy is kept mostly off camera. The producer of Stuck in the Stocks does a good job of this. Also the guy who runs the Lets Tickle Ariel store is good also but I generally go for F/F foot tickling. I say the more prettier chicks the better.

Actually I have to agree with tklpen --- Some men are threatened or turned off by the presence of another man,
just like some hetero women like me don't like to watch f/f at all. I'm not threatened but it's just kinda gross to me since I'm not a lesbian nor am I a straight woman who likes f/f.

I won't presume to speak for an entire group of people, however.

Maybe I'm in the minority but I love watching M/f --- and I don't prefer the faces of either party to show, but if I see that it doesn't bother me as long as they look genuine.

If men and women were wired the same then yes the same logic would apply but guess what? We aint the same. We aint created the same and we dont think the same. Most women dont even watch porn so this doesnt even factor.

Ok, you ask tklpen if he's chauvinistic and then you come out with this statement??

Have you interviewed most women? There are a lot more women Lers here and lot more male Lees coming out of the woodwork -- basically telling us that what society has said to be the Norm never was quite right.

Men can cry and be men --- they can laugh too. And a lot of women do watch porn. We just may not be as verbal about it. We're still working on that damn double standard and this doesn't help.

 

[ScorpionKing]

I still disagree. We are wired different IMO. I dont buy into that notion that says we are all the same because we arent and it starts at childhood for example when boys are expected to play with toy guns and monster trucks and girls are supposed to play with dolls.

 

[Bohemianne]

Well, as a kid, I have dolls, miniature car toys and a plastic gun.

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Girl/Girl clip is a matter of subjective personal preference. For me, I would see them all. Just strictly no M/M.

 

[PQfingers]

I enjoy both men tickling women, women tickling each other. It's matter of of your personal perference.

 

[Deadsea7777]

If men and women were wired the same then yes the same logic would apply but guess what? We aint the same. We aint created the same and we dont think the same. Most women dont even watch porn so this doesnt even factor.

Originally Posted by Deadsea7777 View Post
I like the economic ring of this reasoning; F/F two for the price of one is better. Impeccable.
Nevertheless should female prefer M/M following the same logic? somehow it does not feel that way, but I am guessing, I am not a woman.

Why so adamant? the sentence in red "somehow it does not feel that way" implies just that women and men are different. Nevertheless nothing is writing in stone, as the almighty pill proved once for all.

 

[c7_assassin]

Why so adamant? the sentence in red "somehow it does not feel that way" implies just that women and men are different. Nevertheless nothing is writing in stone, as the almighty pill proved once for all.

I don't think anyone's being a chauvinist by saying that most women aren't as into M/M as most men are into F/F. I have known plenty who are into M/M, but I've also known many who wrinkled their noses at the thought. That's the difference.

It's also not wrong to say that in general men watch, and pay for, more porn than women. Any man who tells you he's never watched porn is a filthy liar.

 

[Mirage]

Secondly, because tickling is not a sexual activity to me, I do not consider the clips we buy from producers like Tickle Abuse, James Darke, and others to be porn. To me porn is those movies where you see two people having sex. I would never buy any of those because they are not my taste.
I understand that tickling is sexual to you and, therefore, you see a tickling video as pornographic. Since tickling is not sexual to me, I do not see it that way.

I think you're confused about what 'porn' means. It's media that is produced for the purpose of sexual excitation; tickling videos clearly count. This is why it's weird for some of us when you admit that you buy them, but you don't get off from watching them because tickling is not sexual to you. Do you see where we're getting confused?
Then I must ask, why do you watch them? If it's for a reason other than sexual arousal, you have to know that you're in the minority, right?

I do not think that tkl_pen does not understand that tickling videos were actually produced as porn. Correct me here if I am wrong, but all he is trying to tell you and Rhiannon is that tickling for him is just a way to have fun, but not attached to any of his sexual desires. Example: drinking games - any of you (I asume) perceive them as a way to have fun. So it's the same for tkl_pen but in consideration to tickling. And if he buyes these videos, he appreciates them not as porn, but rather like most of us whould appresiate a comedy movie (not a good comparison, but hope you got what I ment here).

Why is it so hard for you take that people might whatch tickling videos not because they get "sexual arousal" from it?
P.S: sorry for the grammar and bad spelling, was too lazy to check..

 

[rhiannon]

We can accept that some people don't get aroused by tickling, but we are wondering for what other reason you would buy and watch a tickling clip! They are not that interesting! 🙂 Just like I said, I enjoy eating, but I wouldn't enjoy watching a clip of someone eating.

And I have never heard of someone watching porn for the great dialogues! 🙂 So what c7 and I try to find out: What exactly is the reason to watch tickling clips if not to get arousal from it?

I do not think that tkl_pen does not understand that tickling videos were actually produced as porn.

Are you sure?? In the beginning of this thread he acted all surprised when someone mentioned masturbation!

 

[Mirage]

Rhiannon tkl_pen said that for him it's for "entertaining" purposes whatever that means. But If we are to cast all that aside, I can give you one instance in which people might watch such clips other than for sexual purposes. That's when your partner is into tickling and you're not really, or you never thought of tickling being an activity that might be sexual turn on. That's when you watch those videos as an educational guid so to speak. =) It's when you get into liking it in bed, only then these videos become sexual in narute to you.

 

[Deadsea7777]

I do not think that tkl_pen does not understand that tickling videos were actually produced as porn. Correct me here if I am wrong, but all he is trying to tell you and Rhiannon is that tickling for him is just a way to have fun, but not attached to any of his sexual desires. Example: drinking games - any of you (I asume) perceive them as a way to have fun. So it's the same for tkl_pen but in consideration to tickling. And if he buyes these videos, he appreciates them not as porn, but rather like most of us whould appresiate a comedy movie (not a good comparison, but hope you got what I ment here).

Why is it so hard for you take that people might whatch tickling videos not because they get "sexual arousal" from it?
P.S: sorry for the grammar and bad spelling, was too lazy to check..

Taking you own example about drinking. To pretend that you can as a man can see/watch a beautiful, gorgeous, naked woman, vulnerable, and that you like have no sexual arousal, is like to drink half a litre of Vodka in a drinking game and pretend that you do it only for the taste of the Vodka and fun; and your brain have no effects due to alcohol at all. You may have no interest in the side effects of alcohol or nakedness on your brain/body, only on the fun of it, but they would happen anyway no matter what.

Saint Agustin, was so angry with the fact that penis & nipples seemed to have a mind of their own getting erected or bigger as they please, with no control of the brain of the owner that he consider that lack of control of mind over body was a sign of the genitalia to be evil under the control of the devil.
Since watching, a naked woman would get men organs excited even if the owner did not want it to happen; he concluded that women were evil in nature.

What I fail to understand is why denied something that is natural? Getting drunk if you drink alcohol, getting sexually aroused if you watch a beautiful woman naked? That is life.

Resistance is Futile…you will be aroused/drunk.

 

[tkl-pen]

I am not totally naive, by any means, and I do realize and understand that some people are going to get sexually aroused and masturbate while playing one of these clips. But I do not believe that eveyone here (other than me) is going to do that. I like to see a pretty girl in tight bondage under intense tickle torture and I watch it for the sake of my own entertainment, wondering how she will deal with her predicament and get out of it. Maybe there's something wrong with me, maybe I am simply sadistic or even psychopathic (I don't know) but it simply is not sexual or sexually arousing to me, and it does not lead me to masturbate in front of my computer or television. Out of 80,000+ members, am I the only one like that?

 

[Deadsea7777]

I am not totally naive, by any means, and I do realize and understand that some people are going to get sexually aroused and masturbate while playing one of these clips. But I do not believe that eveyone here (other than me) is going to do that. I like to see a pretty girl in tight bondage under intense tickle torture and I watch it for the sake of my own entertainment, wondering how she will deal with her predicament and get out of it. Maybe there's something wrong with me, maybe I am simply sadistic or even psychopathic (I don't know) but it simply is not sexual or sexually arousing to me, and it does not lead me to masturbate in front of my computer or television. Out of 80,000+ members, am I the only one like that?

Nobody has claim that everybody is going to have sex while playing tickling clips.
A lot would do, to have sex in any of the three basic flavors, solitaire, two or in group. That is perhaps the biggest difference between tickling and sex. You cannot tickle yourself, but you can orgasm yourself.
Tickling is an exclusively social activity, if you are lost in an island you cannot have tickling activities, but you can still have sexual activities.

What I do said is that you cannot avoid sexual arousal from let said once more, watching a beautiful, gorgeous, naked woman, tied or not. Is an instinctive response.
What you do with that arousal, is something very different. Maybe you masturbate, maybe you have sex with a partner, and maybe if you are a concerned priest worried about the work of Lucifer you run three miles to get rid of the arousal, maybe you kill the girl if you are a mentally ill person, maybe just watch her predicament, and ponder.... Who knows?
However, upon watching a beautiful, gorgeous, naked woman, tied or not; the sexual arousal would be there. Therefore, I think you are not that different from other men. You just deal with sexual arousal your own way; fair enough.

 

[Babbles]

Not everyone finds every source of stimulation to be sexual stimulation,
though this is tactile... and you make a good argument for alternative interpretations...

But just had to note, you *can tickle yourself - how many have accidentally done that putting on nylons or taking care of feet, etc...

 

[Deadsea7777]

Not everyone finds every source of stimulation to be sexual stimulation,
though this is tactile... and you make a good argument for alternative interpretations...

But just had to note, you *can tickle yourself - how many have accidentally done that putting on nylons or taking care of feet, etc...

Not every source of stimulation, "watching a beautiful, gorgeous, naked woman, tied or not", which is a very specific visual, sex related, stimulation.

And tickling yourself, I was referring to laughing hysterically, not the soft touch like the leg of a spider on your skin or the least creepy slow sliding of a fingernail on your skin.The latter you can do it to yourself in purpose or by accident.. the former you would need the assistance of a spider with suicidal instincts....because after I smash her with my shoe, she would be as thin as a mail stamp.

 

[Mirage]

Just to break up the debate going on above and add a little input from a girl, I'd have to say f/f clips, for the most part, do absolutely nothing for me...not because I am not attracted to girls, but because it seems like 99% of the time they are acting. Their not being legit bisexual/lesbians makes me feel like I'm watching something really fake, geared only towards men =/ So I stick to the story section.

/pointless rant

Absolutely agree with you, but for me it's even more so because I am not into girls at all.

 

[rhiannon]

What I do said is that you cannot avoid sexual arousal from let said once more, watching a beautiful, gorgeous, naked woman, tied or not. Is an instinctive response.

Veto! 🙂 If you see enough naked women, I am sure that at some point it doesn't sexually arouse you any longer. I am thinking of gynaecologists and photographers for example. For some people it does actually take more to be aroused than looking at a naked woman.

I like to see a pretty girl in tight bondage under intense tickle torture and I watch it for the sake of my own entertainment, wondering how she will deal with her predicament and get out of it.

? Weird. I have never seen a clip in which the girl got out of the predicament.

 

[Mirage]

Veto! 🙂 If you see enough naked women, I am sure that at some point it doesn't sexually arouse you any longer. I am thinking of gynaecologists and photographers for example. For some people it does actually take more to be aroused than looking at a naked woman.

One friend of mine just got out of med school and started to work as gynaecologist. He said that after he performed his first "baby labor", he couldn't even look at women for another half a year or so. Funny and sad at the same time.

 

[Deadsea7777]

Veto! 🙂 If you see enough naked women, I am sure that at some point it doesn't sexually arouse you any longer. I am thinking of gynaecologists and photographers for example. For some people it does actually take more to be aroused than looking at a naked woman.

Oh dear, Oh dear!, to have the power of veto you have to be an Empress, a Dictator or at least the President of a Republic to have that power, which you are not…., are you? It would be so cool if “Rhiannon” is actually a cover up for a prominent female president or something like that with a tickling fetish….for a while to be a ticklee and pass the burden of being in control to the tickler….Sorry, my imagination just glide for a little while.

About what you wrote, what you said is that a stimulus repeated many times generates a progressively lower response. In addition, you will need even bigger doses of the stimulus to get the same response.
True.
The level of the arousal (the response) will be lower if you see continuously beautiful naked women, but it still would exist. Is the intensity what would change. The gynecologists and photographer of your example would still feel it the sexual arousal, but would get used to it and learn to live with it and eventually even forget about it. Having said that if a prototype of super ultra female (the bigger dose of stimulus) comes in for a consult or a session, they will feel a more intense arousal.

However, if the arousal is never satisfied, i.e., never acted upon it, the level of arousal would increase with each dose of the stimulus. That is when self –discipline and training comes to play a role.
If the gynaecologists and photographer of your example never get to play sexually with any naked beautiful woman etc., the arousal they will feel upon seeing one would increase each time. Then what stop them to cross the line are self-discipline, professionalism, and training.

 

[rhiannon]

Interesting theory, but I don't know if it is really true! There is a thing to be said about circumstances! When a woman comes in to a gynaecologists office, that is not an erotic situation. She is getting checked for cancer, for God's sake! 🙂 I highly doubt that there is any arousal at all involved.

 

[c7_assassin]

When a woman visits her gynaecologist, I get a little aroused. Does that count?

 

[rhiannon]

I even think there's a fetish for it. 😀

But then, there is a fetish for everything.

 

[tkl-pen]

Veto! 🙂 If you see enough naked women, I am sure that at some point it doesn't sexually arouse you any longer. I am thinking of gynaecologists and photographers for example. For some people it does actually take more to be aroused than looking at a naked woman.

Imagine that, I agree with you. Perhaps that's what it is for me since I do lead or participate in bdsm/tickling stagettes/bachelorettes almost every week. This week I even thought about not posting anymore because I felt as if I was different from the rest and something might be wrong with me because it's not sexual to me. Having said that, though, I do imagine the girl I am with being tickled in bondage while I am having sex with her and, at that point, I do find it stimulating.


? Weird. I have never seen a clip in which the girl got out of the predicament.

They don't actually have to get out of the predicament - I said I only wonder how they will get out of it just like any other damsel-in-distress clip. But, only a week or two ago, I saw a clip by Tickle Abuse in which two cute Asian girls were tickling the Amazon in the tickling chair and she got loose and went after them. So, she got out of her predicament. The same also happens in many of the stories posted on this forum (not mine, of course).

 

[Deadsea7777]

Interesting theory, but I don't know if it is really true! There is a thing to be said about circumstances! When a woman comes in to a gynaecologists office, that is not an erotic situation. She is getting checked for cancer, for God's sake! 🙂 I highly doubt that there is any arousal at all involved.

Nobody has denied the importance of circumstances (I called them context in former posts), and I mention beautiful, naked etc., which implies a female ripe for reproduction as subject, which is the visual stimulus that will most likely start the sexual arousal as instinctive reaction.

God forbid I will ever found myself in that situation, but you could imagine, a situation in which a incredible gorgeous woman, one of those to turn around in admiration when walking on the streets; could walk into a gynecologists for a routine examinations, and he feel the little arousal upon the extreme physical beauty. And on the second consult for the results to have to communicate to her that she has a rare tumor of malign nature which would kill her in few weeks, months at best. I do not think it would be any arousal in the second visit, no matter how naked she may be. Is a complete different context. It would be similar with the naked body of a beautiful woman sick with smallpox, no sexual arousal there. The difference would be that in the latter just a visual stimulus what switch off the arousal, in the former at least in the early stages of the tumor development she would look gorgeous.

What I would not accept is that you are tickling a gorgeous, naked woman, tied up, enjoying your fetish at full blow and…. you tell me you have not sexual arousal, if that true, then I am Robert Redford, and you are the Queen of Westphalia. 😉

 

[tkl-pen]

Oh dear, Oh dear!, to have the power of veto you have to be an Empress, a Dictator or at least the President of a Republic to have that power, which you are not…., are you? It would be so cool if “Rhiannon” is actually a cover up for a prominent female president or something like that with a tickling fetish….for a while to be a ticklee and pass the burden of being in control to the tickler….Sorry, my imagination just glide for a little while.

OMG, do you think Rhiannon is Angela Merkel? Or Margaret Thatcher? She couldn't be Golda Meir, Benazir Butto or Mrs Ghandi, because they are already gone. By the way, here are five 'strong-women' who I do admire - they are/were women who don't pretend to be anything else, earned respect through their deeds, and are/were incredibly powerful. That impresses me.

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