drew70 said:
So why mention the physical characteristic at all if all you hate is Rosie?
Ahh..."why," indeed. You don't know, do you? Now why is that? Oh, could it be because you weren't there at all and simply have no idea of how the conversation transpired and are therefore unqualified to make any judgement in the matter? Could that be it?
C'mon Drew, it ain't that hard. Look up 'rhetorical' in the dictionary (as in 'question') if it's that taxing.There's a paragraph below, where I respond to this section and another one you've written. It's the one where I mention Eddie Murphy. It's got nothing to do with proving your point wrong or right, it's purely about realising when you've overstepped a mark. I've done it several times when I've made a remark I didn't think should have caused offence to someone. However it did, and I apologised for unwittingly causing the offence. That's the only point.(The one I'm thinking of right now was to TicklingDuo-Ann and it wasn't even her who pulled me up on it; it was DVNC.) The paragraph is pretty broad in meaning though, so don't expect it to directly address you, only the concept we've been waffling about.
Come to think of it, one I never did address was when I refered to areenactor's opinion on something as being "almost nazi-ist". Him being Jewish, didn't take it all that well, even though the point I wanted to make wasn't about race hatred or eugenics, but about philosophy.
Just to set the record straight Steve, I didn't mean anything about the holocaust in my remark. I'm sorry they made you think I did, and offended you.
drew70 said:
You made a statement about her that so far only you agree with.
I expressed several opinions. I'm not certain to which you are referring. And unless you've polled the hundreds of people that have viewed this thread, I can't imagine how you can claim to know that nobody agrees with me.
See the paragraph above and the one below that I mentioned in the one above. Errrrrr...........yeah, that's right. It ain't about your opinion on her size Drew, because that opinion will be a widely held one. It's about the opinion that you hould care if you inadvertantly piss someone off. You don't, if you think they should'nt have taken offence.
drew70 said:
Everyone else I've spoken to (of course I havn't spoken to Tron, Yaqi or Talons yet 😀) thinks your posting is a waste of space because all you ever come out with is negativity...negativity...negativity.
I can assure you beyond any shadow of a doubt that my posts are appreciated by many, though certainly not all. Besides frank and honest commentary, I've contributed 5 tickling cartoons in the last month or so. Before that I've submitted at least 7 song parodies, not to mention scanning and posting over two thousand f/f tickling pictures to AMT. Of course, these contributions pale in comparison to the excessive smiley faces you provide, and the clever phrases like "bugger all." You're a legend, dude!
Then I'll correct myself, because I wasn't exact enough. I was referring to the posting in this thread and various Gen. or Tickling Disc posts that I've posted to as well. Knowing nothing and caring less about anime or music, I'm not a follower of any posts relating to either. For all I know Drew, you could be the most talented artist of tickling anime media in the world. But being someone who never checks it, I never get to see it.
Likewise it seems you're a stranger to the sort of contributions that I'm more suited to. Our coincidental threads would probably number less than 30 or 40, so you (like me with anime) have little idea of exactly what I've contributed beyond smilie faces and English slang. I'm a worse than useless artist and being tone deaf I never had much of a 'thing' for music or songs. My contributions have nearly always been more about discussion and debate, rather than artwork or he other. Certainly I've only ever publicly posted one story and even that had a crap title.
🙁 Or maybe you do have an idea of what I've done? Maybe you've read all or most of my posting and just think it's filth.
drew70 said:
In your opinion, which is all that ever seems to matter to you. "People should ignore the troll and it's their fault if they let him upset them; the Forum doesn't need moderating." (Paraphrasing obviously.)
Not just mine, from what I'm hearing. More and more people are starting to see this to be true.
The TMF has just over 8,000 members. Of these maybe 1,000 are the posting core and do more than just lurk and view the pics and files in the boards. Of those, maybe 400 or 500 are regular and semi-regular chatters and posters. I have spoken to at least half of them for any length of time and so far the people who agree that the TMF should have a moderation policy similar to AMT could be counted on the fingers of one hand. Of course maybe the people who agree with you, see me coming and run screaming in the opposite direction. But people don't seem to be that shy about telling me where they disagree with me. I don't think I'd be so irritating/intimidating/annoying that people would be afraid to tell me they held a contrary opinion to mine? A lot of people feel they disagree with the moderators from time to time, but I've heard of very little support for getting rid of them.
drew70 said:
You don't care if it does offend anyone else, so long as you think it was directed far enough away to not matter.
Say rather that if somebody chooses to take offense at an insult clearly directed elsewhere, I can't be responsible for it.
Interesting point...
Now the next comment is going to be quite broad, so bear with me because it's going to take a question about race predjudice instead. I just want to hear your opinion on it Drew, so no-one else get offnded okay?
Mr. X is not a fan of Eddie Murphy. He dislikes his body language, he dislikes his comedy and finds it unfunny and he severely dislikes everything about the man. He makes a throwaway comment about that "stupid black bastard" one night. Mr. X is not a racist in any other way and might even have a couple of black friends. However several other black people hear his comment and get really pissed of at him about it. He objects to their annoyance because he says the comment wasn't directed at them and he'd never actually insult them because of their race. He can't understand why they got so pissed off about his remarks about Eddie Murphy, because they've got nohing to do with him. Why the hell would they be annoyed at him calling Eddie Murphy a racist name, when he only used the metaphor because he didn't like him personally and Eddie Murphy happens to be black? Is it so unreasonable of the pissed of guys to think he's being racist? And is it so unreasonable for Mr. X to apologise to them for it and say what he really means, instead of just saying "It wasn't directed at you, even if you are the same race. Live with it."
drew70 said:
You seem to have little conception of any social online niceties at all, or you do but can't arsed to use them.
LOL. Jim, only you would use the word "arse" in the same sentence as "social nicities."
I know, it's one of those English, cultural things.
drew70 said:
You seem to be acting like the social equivalent of a rhino horn up the arse. So long as the horn is nice and thin and pointy it should go in without too much damage. It's the recipients fault if they object so much and cause themselves pain by squirming around.
Silly and pointless analogy, Jim. Rhino horn up the "arse" can't be overlooked. You can't put the Rhino on ignore. The rhino situation would actually matter. The differences are too numerous to go on.
*sighs* You can't put a troll on ignore either, if it's got 8 different screen names and switches alternatley between them. Likewise you can't insert an "interpretive humour chip" into a human and activate it. At least, not until one of Myr's mates in the industry work out how to do it. It was a comparison Drew, not a literally conceived situation. Even someone who finds my humour as funny as the Financial Times crossword should be able to tell that.
drew70 said:
Winning points? Well I've had the same posting style for 2 years and it's not won many points has it?
And this surprises you?
No, but it obviously comes as something new to you that it doesn't. I'm not a point winner, just a loud-mouthed son of a bitch. Maybe I've got Texan or New York heritage? *ducks under the torrent of bricks thrown by Texan and New Yorker TMF members*
drew70 said:
And you'd be surprised at the feedback that would disagree with you.
No, I'm pretty sure that to be surprised at the feedback would require me to actually care about it.
A perfect example of the point I've been making. If you don't think a derogatory remark is closely aimed enough at someone to actually cause offence, you don't give a shit if it does. I've done the same thing at least three times when I've been posting about religion. Someone who is a Christian (or in the case of DVNC, someone who has friends on the Forum who are Christian) has found a remark I've made about Christianity to be too vehement to be only attacking the religion itself, not it's followers. They've bridled at it. I've disagreed that it hould have caused offence to the person concerned, but I've apologised anyway because I "cared" about the feedback from these people. I cared that I would have unwittingly pissed them off. You obviously don't.
drew70 said:
So you're saying that I'm pretty constant in my postings? Well lets just take a moment to look at the numbers, shall we?
Drew70 · registered: Jul 2001 · 219 posts
BigJim · registered: Jun 2001 · 4314 posts
Wow Jim. You've posted about 20 times the amount I have in roughly the same period of time. Are you sure it's my BS they need a break from??
Where did I mention the word "postings" Drew? If I recall correctly, the word was 'bullshit'. My contribution to the forum is more in the line of ideas and debate, whereas yours is satirical versions of songs, anime and use of the chatroom. Given that it would be a miracle if our post counts were anywhere near similar.
When my BS gets too much for someone, they tell me. It's happened a few times. It's not usualy associated with a discussion that directly refers to them though. It's usually about concepts or ideas that are just being kicked around. Suprisingly enough (and I can even say that to myself) it doesn't happen that often.
