xmen 3 dont read if you havent seen

[Goodieluver]

movie sucked

 

[Goodieluver]

I got back from seeing this movie a little while ago. I was definitely the best of the three, in my opinion. Everyone would probably agree that individual character development could have been better, but one must realize that theres no time for that in a movie thats 1 hours and 43 minutes.

Things I enjoyed/thought were good:

1.) The Logan/Jean makeout session. For a PG-13 movie they really pushed the envelope with this. I was half-expecting nothing more than a french kiss. But here we get nearly the whole groping package, plus its eludes to the fact that they will have had sex moments later. The angles were good, the fanservice was good, and they were all over eachother. Logan grabbing up her legs/thighs was pretty sweet, and the way she wrapped her legs around his waist and drew him in was seductive and how she took of his belt with her powers. LOL 😱

The topping on the cake of this scene is the fact that they were in this same situation before in the first movie, only it was Logan on the table and her watching over him. Jean reminiscing over this fact really made the moment feel right even if Jean's not really in control of herself.

I think many fans wanted to see this, and they got it.

Pretty powerful romantic scene.

2.) Finally a true demonstration of Magneto's real power. In X-1 and II he toys around with his powers because he never really needs to use them to their full capacity. (Save perhaps for the climax in X-1).

In X-3 we see Magneto:

A. Toss cars and other heavy vehicles around with ease.

B. Use his powers in rapid succession and in ways we haven't seen before.

C. Tear the San Francisco bridge apart and off it's foundation, and hover it to Alcatraz island (or what is a mock verson of the island)!

I really like when characters show us what they can really do. Magneto, being one of the oldest (if not the oldest) characters, sometimes needs to prove his worthiness to certain fans and he certainly did that.

Like Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine in Star Wars, Magneto really kicked ass and wowed audiances. As he is a level 5 mutant, this is to be expected. But they didn't have to do this if they didn't want to. Magneto is just as believable by his presense and charm alone as Sidious is.

That we got to see a sample of what Magneto can do, even at his age, is amazing and was a real treat. He was my favorite before this movie, and he is still my favorite after.

Ian McKellen was magnificant, yet again.

3.) The scenes between Kitty Pryde and Iceman were adorable and cute. It was almost like they were flirting but not really. The tension in his relationship with Rogue, especially after Rogue catching a glimp of Kitty and Ice together, was good and made you wonder what would happen.

4.) The cursing and leud comments. It wasn't what they said so much as how they said it that was funny.

Especially the scene with Mystique and the guard. "I will spray your face bitch!" That was amusing, as well as the "dickhead" comment from Pryde to Juggernaut. "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!"

5.) The scene at the end with Erik (seemingly defeated and reduced being just a normal old human man) and the chess piece was brilliant.

It was subtle but suggested a wide range of possibilities, added questions about the cure and whether it was truely permanent, and above all it was a good cliffhanger moment.

Unfortunately, I didn't think to stay after the credits to see this Professor X scene. Ah well, I can see it on the dvd.

I thought the pg13 pusher was the "killing" scenes, implied with the cure shooting on the mutants raiding the island and when Jean was demolecularizing all life around her when she snaped on the base.

Vlad, am i the only one who thought the ending with jean\wolverine nearly identically mimic'd the final scene in van helsing between ana and van helsing? Hugh jackman, no shirt, tattered pants, killing the woman he loves and howling\screaming afterwards

 

[Goodieluver]

What I like about the movie is that the took so many obscure story lines, and not only wove them together, but made them believable, too. I mean, the Dark Phoenix saga, had it been translated directly, would totally not have worked in this film. A lot of people complained about making the Juggernaut a mutant, and didn't like that they ignored the whole "crimson bands of cytorak" thing, but I think it worked perfectly for this movie.

Its a major issue since leech would have no affect on juggy since juggy is not a mutant. How to deal with juggernaut then? Why not send him to 1 on 1 with collosus, hell, he had a speakin part in x2 compared to the girl who played pryde in that one

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I thought the pg13 pusher was the "killing" scenes, implied with the cure shooting on the mutants raiding the island and when Jean was demolecularizing all life around her when she snaped on the base.

Tomato, tomatoe. 😛

Vlad, am i the only one who thought the ending with jean\wolverine nearly identically mimic'd the final scene in van helsing between ana and van helsing? Hugh jackman, no shirt, tattered pants, killing the woman he loves and howling\screaming afterwards

Actually, I didn't think about that, and it didn't occur to me until you mentioned it just now. I guess I was too into the atmosphere of the movie to notice.

But yeah, mighty big coincidence.

Or...maybe not. Gabriel Van Helsing and "Logan" are two very similar characters. For example, they both have a past they're either running away from or trying to find (pasts they only remember in vague detail), they both deny their feelings and supress them, and they both are rogues and outsiders, even when they work for others (whether its the Vatican or Charles Xavier's School For Gifted Youngsters.)

I'm sure it wasn't their intent that fans of the other movie would cross-reference this scene (or vice-versa), but its all well and good that people do/did, I guess.

 

[Goodieluver]

Tomato, tomatoe. 😛



Actually, I didn't think about that, and it didn't occur to me until you mentioned it just now. I guess I was too into the atmosphere of the movie to notice.

But yeah, mighty big coincidence.

Or...maybe not. Gabriel Van Helsing and "Logan" are two very similar characters. For example, they both have a past they're either running away from or trying to find (pasts they only remember in vague detail), they both deny their feelings and supress them, and they both are rogues, even when they work for others (whether its the Vatican or Charles Xavier's School For Gifted Youngsters.)

I'm sure it wasn't their intent that fans of the other movie would cross-reference this scene, but its all well and good that people do/did, I guess.

I think its more of how jackman is being typecasted, just like how johnny depp is being typecasted to being this dark and mysterious actor, as is christina ricci with the same type. People forget some of depps best work did not involve fantasy or weirdness(i define ed wood as a biography, yes the man was weird but still)

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I think its more of how jackman is being typecasted, just like how johnny depp is being typecasted to being this dark and mysterious actor, as is christina ricci with the same type. People forget some of depps best work did not involve fantasy or weirdness(i define ed wood as a biography, yes the man was weird but still)

Its a possibility.

Its also equally possible that Hugh Jackman chooses to and wants to be typecasted because it will help direct the types of roles and scripts that are forwarded to him. Its probably true for Johnny Depp too, once he saw he could cash in on it.

He (Jackman) has made it clear in commentaries that he likes action movies, likes doing the stunts himself when he can, and that he's having fun doing this sort of work.

Johnny Depp, however, originally came from a time where actors came out out of the woodwork a certain way. Many new actors at that time were pushed in specific directions before they found themselves or got a proper footing. Roles they had were trial and error and they didn't necessarily know what they wanted. They found a niche and theme and stuck with it because either thats all they know, or thats all thats expected of them.

Hugh Jackman knows what kind of work he wants to do, but he hasn't limited himself. Kate and Leopold anyone? Remember? Lovely movie. And since I had already liked Meg Ryan beforehand, it works for me.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0035423/

I know Johnny is capable of the same, because he's had similar roles, but how his mind works in getting the roles is most likely completely different than Hugh's.

 

[z284ca]

I'm not gonna lie I haven't read everything that's been said about the film in this post cause... I'm lazy
Basically I thought it was an awesome film, left me feeling a bit unsure about it but I really enjoyed it. Personally I think they're gonna realise the serum isn't permenant (magneto nubbing the chess piece) I think that's more of a hope than anything cause I want another movie. Gutted that jeans been killed off, with that hair she was damn gorgeous :-D oh well never mind.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I think Jean needed to die even though its a shame. She didn't trust herself to be able to contain her power, so she can't trust others to no matter how well intentioned they are.

She had evolved beyond any barriers that could contain her and she had become a demi-god, and thats nothing but trouble, even for Magneto (who has long been argued to be the most powerful mutant of all).

Magneto's last line in the movie is "what have I done!?", and I think it's quite apt.

It ended the way it needed to- by her dying.

 

[Goodieluver]

Another problem, magneto was never ruthless to sacrifice hundreds of mutants as "pawns"

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I think they gave him those levels of malevolence in the movies because the movies needed a clear antagonist and the bulk of that role was left up to him. They needed to show that he wasn't going to flim-flam on his goal.

Turning his back on Mystique "sorry, dear, you're no longer one of us", walking away and then saying "its a shame....she was so beautiful", as if to say she was only beautiful because she was useful or only because she was a mutant, was necessary, I think. To abandon her, even after she saved him because she believed in him, was cruel but necessary both to establish his villianly and it was also a plot device (by turning on her, she turns on him and helps the military out with information).

"Hell knows no fury like a woman's scorn"- The President in regards to her willingly giving the information.

They needed to show that he would turn on his own if he had to, because he absolutely refused to compromise.

Using the mutants as pawns was a necessary tactical decision, of course, but it was pretty ruthless too as well.

Even though the Erik in the comics is not like this, and only does something horrible if it's absolutely necessary, the movie version (especially because he's portrayed by an old actor) needs to be vicious.

Although, the comic Magneto has done some pretty dastardly things in his time too. Like holding the entire world hostage several times, and creating a shockwave that killed untold ammounts of people. Though it was a retalitory action, it's still really extreme.

 

[cyclypse]

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the movie was very "meh"
The ending scene could have been done 100 times better. There's so much more they could have put into that last scene instead of seeing magneto's chess piece slightly twitch and then shoving the ending theme/credits down your throat. I'd go into detail about my vision of that particular ending scene but it would take too long and it's, of course, my personal opinion.

The movie overall was done well. I think scott dieing in the beginning was a good thing to do because it caused you to feel afraid for the rest of the cast from the get go, which I think contributed to the overall tense feeling of the movie. Smart decision!
Beast was NAILED spot on. Absolutley perfect representation. Storm was a bit overdone but what can you do when Halley Berry is doing nothing but complaining.

I think the romance triangle that seemed to be forming between Rogue/Shadowcat/Iceman was not followed through, but thanks to open-ended endings we may get to more of it in X-4 (if it happens). Personally, I don't think there should be an X-4 and what happens later should be left up to our imaginations like after watching/reading a good play or book. Life goes on.

The only thing that would make a fourth one worth seeing, is the fact that Proffessor X isn't dead, but in another body....Those who are fans of the comic have hopefully come up with the same conclusion I did when given this beautiful piece of foreshadowing. Onslaughts comin' to town baby XD.

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[Celtic_Emperor]

The movie is pretty conclusive, especially with the characters that died or were done away with. When you give it a title like "The Last Stand" and you make it look like a war, it does hurt continuity and contradict it if it was supposed to be the "last stand" and it wasn't.

Thats why any movie series should avoid conclusive titles like that unless its true.

To show Magneto's powers slowly returning to him is a great cliffhanger, as it's Xavier's rebirth, but it may be just as well that they leave it alone and let fans talk about it and use their imaginations.

We can conclude that the two return to power and continue the struggle until a new generation can pick up the torch for them, learn from the mistakes of their predecessors, and change history. By Hank being given honors in the government, we can conclude that this struggle won't last much longer and that we're meant to think that humans and mutants get along eventually, which is the the fairy tale, textbook ending that most directors go for when ending a series.

To actually show this with more movies ruins foreshadowing. Foreshadowing implies something will happen but to not see it is exciting and extends the looming sense of doom and hope so it works just as well.

 

[tk0]

Where was he

Why was nightcrawler left out?

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I don't know, but I heard the video game explains his absense. He's most likely having his own side adventure or something.

 

[jtsettle1]

My opinion - the movie was so-so. Felt like the director took way too many liberties with the movie. Would have liked it to follow the actual comic stories a bit more.

 

[Goodieluver]

I think they gave him those levels of malevolence in the movies because the movies needed a clear antagonist and the bulk of that role was left up to him. They needed to show that he wasn't going to flim-flam on his goal.

Turning his back on Mystique "sorry, dear, you're no longer one of us", walking away and then saying "its a shame....she was so beautiful", as if to say she was only beautiful because she was useful or only because she was a mutant, was necessary, I think. To abandon her, even after she saved him because she believed in him, was cruel but necessary both to establish his villianly and it was also a plot device (by turning on her, she turns on him and helps the military out with information).

"Hell knows no fury like a woman's scorn"- The President in regards to her willingly giving the information.

They needed to show that he would turn on his own if he had to, because he absolutely refused to compromise.

Using the mutants as pawns was a necessary tactical decision, of course, but it was pretty ruthless too as well.

Even though the Erik in the comics is not like this, and only does something horrible if it's absolutely necessary, the movie version (especially because he's portrayed by an old actor) needs to be vicious.

Although, the comic Magneto has done some pretty dastardly things in his time too. Like holding the entire world hostage several times, and creating a shockwave that killed untold ammounts of people. Though it was a retalitory action, it's still really extreme.

Yes, which killed humans. A major factor of his char was the hallocaust, in which he was nearly killed during. He saw the extermination of his people which made him hate humanity. But he felt mutants were like his children. Hell he created a massive asteroid station which nearly killed himself cuz he wanted to give a home for mutants

 

[Goodieluver]

The movie is pretty conclusive, especially with the characters that died or were done away with. When you give it a title like "The Last Stand" and you make it look like a war, it does hurt continuity and contradict it if it was supposed to be the "last stand" and it wasn't.

Thats why any movie series should avoid conclusive titles like that unless its true.

To show Magneto's powers slowly returning to him is a great cliffhanger, as it's Xavier's rebirth, but it may be just as well that they leave it alone and let fans talk about it and use their imaginations.

We can conclude that the two return to power and continue the struggle until a new generation can pick up the torch for them, learn from the mistakes of their predecessors, and change history. By Hank being given honors in the government, we can conclude that this struggle won't last much longer and that we're meant to think that humans and mutants get along eventually, which is the the fairy tale, textbook ending that most directors go for when ending a series.

To actually show this with more movies ruins foreshadowing. Foreshadowing implies something will happen but to not see it is exciting and extends the looming sense of doom and hope so it works just as well.

The reason for the open ending is cuz if the movie flops, they wont make a new one, if it suceeds, it gives a chance. There are 2 spinoffs that have been in the works of being done, both prequels, one dealing with magneto, after escaping a concentration camp and meeting xavier, probably in the military in israel and wolverine, which one can only presume will be a story based on the weapon x story

As for the onslaught comment made above, this would disturb me even more, since the concept of onslaught was a result of xavier using his power to wipe magnetos mind, which left magnetos aura in him. But the violent use of his powers made xavier let loose. Hell, onslaught is more of an alter ego than phoenix was. If they can do it, they can make a real good apocalypse storyline, i would accept him not being in the blue suit cuz he can change his form, it would make alot of good sense both religious and context wise to just portray him as some egyptian businessman. Fits the role of the antichrist stating he'd come from the middle east and the businessman trying to manipulate the world is an easy plot. Besides, apocalypse is considered the first mutant on earth

Also vlad, the books have done alot to try and get humans\mutants along, its never worked cuz of the radical groups(similar to the kkk) who want mutants destroyed. Plus the evil mutants who want power keep trying, which furthers the divide between homo sapien and homo superior relations

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Yes, which killed humans. A major factor of his char was the hallocaust, in which he was nearly killed during. He saw the extermination of his people which made him hate humanity. But he felt mutants were like his children. Hell he created a massive asteroid station which nearly killed himself cuz he wanted to give a home for mutants

"If you're so proud of being a mutant, where's you're mark!?"- Callisto

"I have been marked once, my dear, and let me assure you, *raises his sleeve to show her his Auschwitz serial code tattoo* no needle shall ever touch my skin again."- Magneto

Thats one of my favorite Magneto lines.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

The reason for the open ending is cuz if the movie flops, they wont make a new one, if it suceeds, it gives a chance. There are 2 spinoffs that have been in the works of being done, both prequels, one dealing with magneto, after escaping a concentration camp and meeting xavier, probably in the military in israel and wolverine, which one can only presume will be a story based on the weapon x story

As for the onslaught comment made above, this would disturb me even more, since the concept of onslaught was a result of xavier using his power to wipe magnetos mind, which left magnetos aura in him. But the violent use of his powers made xavier let loose. Hell, onslaught is more of an alter ego than phoenix was. If they can do it, they can make a real good apocalypse storyline, i would accept him not being in the blue suit cuz he can change his form, it would make alot of good sense both religious and context wise to just portray him as some egyptian businessman. Fits the role of the antichrist stating he'd come from the middle east and the businessman trying to manipulate the world is an easy plot. Besides, apocalypse is considered the first mutant on earth

Also vlad, the books have done alot to try and get humans\mutants along, its never worked cuz of the radical groups(similar to the kkk) who want mutants destroyed. Plus the evil mutants who want power keep trying, which furthers the divide between homo sapien and homo superior relations

Yeah, I'm aware of those spin-off movies. Hopefully they'll be successful.

A movie about Onslaught would be cool if they played their cards right.

As for mutants and humans having peaceful co-existance, what I meant was that it would probably be alot better than it was, not completely removed however. The biggots and extremists, on both sides, would be more in the minority however, as mutants become a regular part of society.

 

[Goodieluver]

"If you're so proud of being a mutant, where's you're mark!?"- Callisto

"I have been marked once, my dear, and let me assure you, *raises his sleeve to show her his Auschwitz serial code tattoo* no needle will ever touch my skin again."- Magneto

Thats one of my favorite Magneto lines.

That is one of the best lines in the movie.

Also somethin that bothered me movie was, jamie maddox\multiple man. Its supposed to be he can only duplicate himself when he is hit, not just shootin multiples as will.

 

[Goodieluver]

Yeah, I'm aware of those spin-off movies. Hopefully they'll be successful.

A movie about Onslaught would be cool if they played their cards right.

As for mutants and humans having peaceful co-existance, what I meant was that it would probably be alot better than it was, not completely removed however. The biggots and extremists, on both sides, would be more in the minority however, as mutants become a regular part of society.

Other than it being u need a story, its a constant struggle in the xmen uni, xaviers school to protect young mutants from harm while training them to use their powers. Remember tho, the nazi party was at first a small radical group which rose to power. This happened in marvel with groups like the friends of humanity for humans and the mutant liberation front. There is some catalyst that sparks retaliation then the government decides to mass produce sentinels again...lol

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

That is one of the best lines in the movie.

Yeah. It sure shut her up too. Instant respect.

Its kind of funny that Pryo says "don't you know who you're talking to?".

You're not sure whether he was being rhetorical or not. Magneto is a pubically known mutant. He's on the wanted list, and he's been on the news. Yet you wonder if any of the mutants in this auditorium knew who he was. They looked like bottom dwellers and underground mutants that are out of the loop.

I'm guessing they did know it was him or had heard about him, since after his short speech half of them starting walking with him. Although, it could have easily been because he told them what they wanted to hear, and not because he's Magneto.

Its something to think about, since the people here made up the bulk of his army...or so the movie made it seem. Did Magneto actually gather these people together under the guise of a debate, or did he just waltz in and take advantage of the situation? Just because he interupted the speaker doesn't mean he just waltzed in, nor does his being there mean he put it together.

Interesting.

 

[juggernaut]

I know they're comic book movies and you're supposed to be wowed by effects more than impressed by the story, but I still can't suspend my belief long enough to just enjoy the movie without picking it apart logistically. For example...

They wanna kill the kid on the island, right? Why take the whole bridge and all the teams of mutants? Magneto could stand on the other side of the bay, raise the bridge and drop it on the building killing everyone. Okay, light it on fire since Pyro[?!?!] is so interesting all of a sudden. They wouldn't be anywhere near that kid, so their power is never in danger. Jean Gray could mentally take control of a guard and have him shoot the little bastard from the next room. Apparently from what we saw, you have to be almost touching him to be affected. There were just so many ways to accomplish the goal without a full blown ridiculous fight.

Sidebar: This movie will never top the logistical nightmare known as "Daredevil". For those who saw it, they'll know what I'm talking about. He's a kid who got acid in his eyes, lost his sight and grows up with "his other senses being heightened". Okay, he has super hearing and a unique sonar-like sense of sight. Why, then, is he able to do a header off a 60 story building, freefall forty stories, land on a window cleaner's scaffolding, do a backflip onto another and land on his feet below? Why at the end in the church is he able to run up to the pipe organ wall and jump 25 feet straight up in the air and scurry up the wall? Apparently, he get's blinded and turns into a grasshopper. Other beef for me was Bullseye backhanding DD's staff with the blunt ends 100 yards like a laser and it goes 8 inches into Elektra's father's chest. His ability is great aim, not having a cannon for an arm. One less obvious detail is when they're fighting at the playground. Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner both do backflips onto opposite ends of a set of teeter-totters and they're perfectly balanced and parallel to the ground, implying that they would have to weigh exactly the same. Like I said, I notice illogical stuff and wonder why it doesn't get caught sooner in the process.

Sorry, back to X3. Wolverine's claws came out... what? twice? three times? Lame. Colossus was metal for a total of three seconds. We saw more of the porcupine mutant. Mystique was written out too soon and not utilized. Pyro was way too prominent. Jamie Madrox is a good guy in the books I've read, and yes... needs hit to multiply. There was ZERO reason to show Angel, because he did nothing. Juggernaut was disappointing to me. He's always been my favorite, I have a juggernaut tattoo. His look sucked and so did the way he talked. Rogue's super power is apparently to go through three movies and see no action whatsoever. She never once did anything except get kidnapped in the first one. Okay don't do it in the first one, but she eventually end up being tha baddest of them all. Flying, infinite strength, practically invulnerable. She did nothing. Three movies and Iceman never used hs ramp to skate around. He was ice for two seconds. I know production costs keep that stuff to a minimum. But they tried to get too many cameos with no demonstration of abilities

For me, the pleasant surprise of the film was Beast. And I will admit I liked the looks of Pheonix when she was doing her thing. Overall, not a great movie for me, but I'm a forgiving comic fan, so I'll end up with it on DVD anyway.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

LOL, I know how you feel. Sometimes I'm like that. "Why doesn't he just pick up the gun and shoot him!? BAM! Easy! Like 3 seconds and its over! Why are you letting him struggle and get away!? You know he's going to try and take the damn gun from you! End it now while you still can you dumb f*ck!" LOL! 😀

I just pretend it doesn't matter and that usually makes me feel better. I like to let myself get absorbed into a movie so that I can enjoy it and so I don't notice things like that until afterwards. :happy:

One real answer to why all these logical things don't happen is simple- plot device. If they could just go in there and shoot the kid the movie would be completely different. LOL 😛

 

[juggernaut]

Not only completely different, non-existent. I just think for a movie about people with super abilities, the plot should necessitate their abilities. Let's imagine instead that the kid is soooo powerful, that no one short of the team of Jean Grey, Magneto, and other Xmen could stop him. It's kinda what they did with Pheonix, but the "plot" was about a cure for mutation, not stopping or battling the most powerful mutant alive in the Pheonix [which would be a different, and probably better, movie]. Instead, they watered both potential lines down with a short fight at the end. For people wanting to see the characters come alive on the screen tha way they do in our minds, XMen, good and bad, fighting together throughout the movie to stop the Pheonix woulda been awesome. If you've seen the Fantastic Four movie, the way they fight at the end is a live action comic book. The villian is stronger than the individual team members, but when they team up, they overcome throughforce AND brainpower. X3 for me was just a bunch of snippets of each mutant doing their own thing for a few seconds so they get acknowledged. I admit, though, that with so many characters, you can't showcase everyone.

Spiderman 3 next year has four villians this time [Sandman, Venom, Green Goblin, and one yet unnamed], the introduction of Spiderman in the black suit, Gwen Stacey as his new girlfriend, and then whatever the actual plot is. They run the risk of the same thing. That's a lot of development to fit into 2 hours.