xmen 3 dont read if you havent seen

[Celtic_Emperor]

Well, I really can't disagree with you. When a movie disappoints me on one or more levels, to avoid getting too critical of it I just remind myself it's better that they at least made a movie than didn't. If nothing else, it was a nice day outside the day I went to see the movie, and it made for a good outing.

I actually like the theater experience in and of itself, especially when you get there early, get the perfect seat you want, and can just BS with friends, a girlfriend, or whomever until the movie starts.

As for Spiderman 3, I was hoping they'd finally get to Venom, but they'll screw it up if they're going to have that many villians in one movie. Eddy Brock, being Peter Parker's main rival, needs to take center stage. They'll probably do really cool cg work for when he transforms with the symbiote, but he probably won't say much, and he'll probably be the dumb lackey of the other two.

 

[Budweiserbob!]

The movie lost the concept of the fact it was meant to be "Humans against Mutants". They had Mutants fighting Mutants. >_>

 

[juggernaut]

I actually like the theater experience in and of itself

I felt I was rambling or I'da echoed the same thought. First, I just love going to the theater for some reason. Who cares? I've seen horrible movies but was just glad to be out doing something I enjoy. I really don't get bunched up over the movies themselves. I just like going.

I went last week and gave the guy at the counter some good natured crap. I'm a big guy, so I usually look kinda pissed when I joke with them. He asked what I wanted and I snarled "Gimme a gallon of gas." He looked really confused and got anxious and asked me to repeat it. I said "You're large drink is $3.89 and you could get about five of those in a gallon. So what you're telling me is that your Pepsi costs $18 per gallon. Gas is cheaper. Give me some gas." I could tell he was just summing up my tone of voice so I smiled and let him off the hook. But I told him again it was ridiculous and he obviously agreed.

I'm the annoying guy at the theater, sorta. I sit through all those Screen Scrambles and questions and holler out the dumbest answers. Then, as they start the actual movie and the cast's names or titles come across the screen, I still holler out "answers" even thought they're not screen scrambles anymore. I got about four good guesses out of "Hugh Jackman" before my girl told me to quit it. Or when they ask "Tom Cruise played a cop on the run in this futuristic tale of corruption an technological deceipt..." and I holler things like "Battlestar Galactica!" or "Highlander III" The funniest part is my references go over the heads of all the fifteen year old kids in the room.

Anyway, yeah... Spiderman 3 has real potential. I just hope they don't blow it. It'll be three year between two and three and at least probably 5-6 year from now before 4 would come out, if at all, Tobey MaGuire will be getting older and I'd hate to see them end it on a bad note here.

Superman looks promising and I saw a trailer for Ghost Rider the other day. It looks INCREDIBLE!

In case anyone is unaware, there's a great website for keeping up on all the hero stuff either coming out or in talks:

http://www.superherohype.com

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I felt I was rambling or I'da echoed the same thought. First, I just love going to the theater for some reason. Who cares? I've seen horrible movies but was just glad to be out doing something I enjoy. I really don't get bunched up over the movies themselves. I just like going.

Yeah. I like the feel and presense of being in a large, multi-leveled room, sitting in a nice comfortable chair, having plenty of leg room, and having a very good view of the screen.

For this reason my favorite seat is all the way at the top row, right in the middle so I'm centered with the screen. Its very rare that I don't get the exact seat I want because I'm there early. Of course, theres also the benefits of being in the top row, and thats first and foremost that you're higher up so no one's heads are going to be in your way.

Plus you can see the whole screen comfortably from a comfortable distance.

I'll never understand why people like sitting in the very first row at the bottom. You have to arc your neck all the way to a point where it's uncomfortable, the audio is too loud, and the glare distorts what you can see because you're too close.

I went last week and gave the guy at the counter some good natured crap. I'm a big guy, so I usually look kinda pissed when I joke with them. He asked what I wanted and I snarled "Gimme a gallon of gas." He looked really confused and got anxious and asked me to repeat it. I said "You're large drink is $3.89 and you could get about five of those in a gallon. So what you're telling me is that your Pepsi costs $18 per gallon. Gas is cheaper. Give me some gas." I could tell he was just summing up my tone of voice so I smiled and let him off the hook. But I told him again it was ridiculous and he obviously agreed.[/nerrad]

Yeah, gas isn't GETTING expensive, it IS expensive. I don't know how it is where you live, but in the state of California, we have a seperate gasoline tax on top of the other taxes. I remember hearing on the news that we're the only state that has such a tax at the moment.

We're also one of the states investigating price gouging.

I'm the annoying guy at the theater, sorta. I sit through all those Screen Scrambles and questions and holler out the dumbest answers. Then, as they start the actual movie and the cast's names or titles come across the screen, I still holler out "answers" even thought they're not screen scrambles anymore. I got about four good guesses out of "Hugh Jackman" before my girl told me to quit it. Or when they ask "Tom Cruise played a cop on the run in this futuristic tale of corruption an technological deceipt..." and I holler things like "Battlestar Galactica!" or "Highlander III" The funniest part is my references go over the heads of all the fifteen year old kids in the room.

I don't mind your kind. As long as you shut the hell up when the movie starts then we're all good. LOL 😀

I've had some guys say some funny things over the years, and sometimes it made everyone in the theater laugh. You get some real jokers sometimes, and its another part of the theater experience that I don't mind.

Anyway, yeah... Spiderman 3 has real potential. I just hope they don't blow it. It'll be three year between two and three and at least probably 5-6 year from now before 4 would come out, if at all, Tobey MaGuire will be getting older and I'd hate to see them end it on a bad note here.

Superman looks promising and I saw a trailer for Ghost Rider the other day. It looks INCREDIBLE!

In case anyone is unaware, there's a great website for keeping up on all the hero stuff either coming out or in talks:

http://www.superherohype.com

If theres anyone I ever wanted to see more than Venom it's Carnage. I've also thought the idea of making the Maximum Carnage story arc into a movie would work. It would give us more villians and it would have Spidey and Venom join forces which would probably be cool.

Yeah, I saw the Ghostrider trailer too. Hopefully Nicholas Cage will entertain.

Thanks for the link.

 

[juggernaut]

Yep. Carnage could be a gamble when it comes to rating the movie. Carnage has to be portrayed twice as maniacal and hateful as Venom and ten times more destructive and careless with life. I don't see how they could do him justice without him being a seriously cold blooded killer, and we gotta stick to what, PG13? Is that what the others were? I don't recall.

As long as they don't use the Sinister Six, I can forgive just about anything. I read unconfirmed rumors and guesses from industry insiders that the Vulture was a real possibility and I even saw preliminary sketches of the wings and suit. I don't know if they've rewritten since then or not, but it was floating out there.

 

[Goodieluver]

Not only completely different, non-existent. I just think for a movie about people with super abilities, the plot should necessitate their abilities. Let's imagine instead that the kid is soooo powerful, that no one short of the team of Jean Grey, Magneto, and other Xmen could stop him. It's kinda what they did with Pheonix, but the "plot" was about a cure for mutation, not stopping or battling the most powerful mutant alive in the Pheonix [which would be a different, and probably better, movie]. Instead, they watered both potential lines down with a short fight at the end. For people wanting to see the characters come alive on the screen tha way they do in our minds, XMen, good and bad, fighting together throughout the movie to stop the Pheonix woulda been awesome. If you've seen the Fantastic Four movie, the way they fight at the end is a live action comic book. The villian is stronger than the individual team members, but when they team up, they overcome throughforce AND brainpower. X3 for me was just a bunch of snippets of each mutant doing their own thing for a few seconds so they get acknowledged. I admit, though, that with so many characters, you can't showcase everyone.

Spiderman 3 next year has four villians this time [Sandman, Venom, Green Goblin, and one yet unnamed], the introduction of Spiderman in the black suit, Gwen Stacey as his new girlfriend, and then whatever the actual plot is. They run the risk of the same thing. That's a lot of development to fit into 2 hours.

Yes and the suit apparently had nothing to do with the venom symbiote which is why venom hates the webslinger and topher grace is fucking venom

I feel more vomit coming

 

[juggernaut]

That's lame. I was wondering if they could tie in John Jameson's trip to space in Spiderman 2 with maybe bringing back the alien symbiote accidentally. That's probably too obvious. If they hatch the living suit in a lab or explosion or some other stupid shit like that, I'm gonna hate it.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Yep. Carnage could be a gamble when it comes to rating the movie. Carnage has to be portrayed twice as maniacal and hateful as Venom and ten times more destructive and careless with life. I don't see how they could do him justice without him being a seriously cold blooded killer, and we gotta stick to what, PG13? Is that what the others were? I don't recall.

As long as they don't use the Sinister Six, I can forgive just about anything. I read unconfirmed rumors and guesses from industry insiders that the Vulture was a real possibility and I even saw preliminary sketches of the wings and suit. I don't know if they've rewritten since then or not, but it was floating out there.

Yeah, they were PG13. Carnage would have to be watered down, unfortunately. 🙁

Unless...they do things like implied murder. You hear people scream, and slicing and dicing but you don't actually see it. Gore and blood could probably pass under PG13 as long as you're not showing it for more than 5 seconds at a time and it doesn't take up anything more than a quarter of the action sequences. It would have to be brief.

There are ways around it, but none of them are desirable or would ever really please.

And about the Vulture, I could have sworn I saw an article showing the actor they chose to play him, or something like that.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

That's lame. I was wondering if they could tie in John Jameson's trip to space in Spiderman 2 with maybe bringing back the alien symbiote accidentally. That's probably too obvious. If they hatch the living suit in a lab or explosion or some other stupid shit like that, I'm gonna hate it.

I strongly agree.

To make Venom artificial would be a crime.

 

[juggernaut]

I strongly agree.

To make Venom artificial would be a crime.

That won't stop them.

 

[Goodieluver]

I know they're comic book movies and you're supposed to be wowed by effects more than impressed by the story, but I still can't suspend my belief long enough to just enjoy the movie without picking it apart logistically. For example...

They wanna kill the kid on the island, right? Why take the whole bridge and all the teams of mutants? Magneto could stand on the other side of the bay, raise the bridge and drop it on the building killing everyone. Okay, light it on fire since Pyro[?!?!] is so interesting all of a sudden. They wouldn't be anywhere near that kid, so their power is never in danger. Jean Gray could mentally take control of a guard and have him shoot the little bastard from the next room. Apparently from what we saw, you have to be almost touching him to be affected. There were just so many ways to accomplish the goal without a full blown ridiculous fight.

Sidebar: This movie will never top the logistical nightmare known as "Daredevil". For those who saw it, they'll know what I'm talking about. He's a kid who got acid in his eyes, lost his sight and grows up with "his other senses being heightened". Okay, he has super hearing and a unique sonar-like sense of sight. Why, then, is he able to do a header off a 60 story building, freefall forty stories, land on a window cleaner's scaffolding, do a backflip onto another and land on his feet below? Why at the end in the church is he able to run up to the pipe organ wall and jump 25 feet straight up in the air and scurry up the wall? Apparently, he get's blinded and turns into a grasshopper. Other beef for me was Bullseye backhanding DD's staff with the blunt ends 100 yards like a laser and it goes 8 inches into Elektra's father's chest. His ability is great aim, not having a cannon for an arm. One less obvious detail is when they're fighting at the playground. Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner both do backflips onto opposite ends of a set of teeter-totters and they're perfectly balanced and parallel to the ground, implying that they would have to weigh exactly the same. Like I said, I notice illogical stuff and wonder why it doesn't get caught sooner in the process.

Sorry, back to X3. Wolverine's claws came out... what? twice? three times? Lame. Colossus was metal for a total of three seconds. We saw more of the porcupine mutant. Mystique was written out too soon and not utilized. Pyro was way too prominent. Jamie Madrox is a good guy in the books I've read, and yes... needs hit to multiply. There was ZERO reason to show Angel, because he did nothing. Juggernaut was disappointing to me. He's always been my favorite, I have a juggernaut tattoo. His look sucked and so did the way he talked. Rogue's super power is apparently to go through three movies and see no action whatsoever. She never once did anything except get kidnapped in the first one. Okay don't do it in the first one, but she eventually end up being tha baddest of them all. Flying, infinite strength, practically invulnerable. She did nothing. Three movies and Iceman never used hs ramp to skate around. He was ice for two seconds. I know production costs keep that stuff to a minimum. But they tried to get too many cameos with no demonstration of abilities

For me, the pleasant surprise of the film was Beast. And I will admit I liked the looks of Pheonix when she was doing her thing. Overall, not a great movie for me, but I'm a forgiving comic fan, so I'll end up with it on DVD anyway.

They wanted to destroy the cure, not the kid. Different things

You also complain about daredevil, the movie didnt create his char\powers, marvel did and daredevil has been one of their staple comics

Rogue didnt get her super power till she attacked ms marvel, due to her being evil with her stepmum mystique. Who knows, she thinks she lost her powers, makes a reason to have her mistakenly grab someone and asborb them completely as her powers return

 

[juggernaut]

They wanted to destroy the cure, not the kid. Different things

You also complain about daredevil, the movie didnt create his char\powers, marvel did and daredevil has been one of their staple comics

Rogue didnt get her super power till she attacked ms marvel, due to her being evil with her stepmum mystique. Who knows, she thinks she lost her powers, makes a reason to have her mistakenly grab someone and asborb them completely as her powers return

I don't know... Juggernaut was willing to try and smash him against the wall. The kid is the source and they were going to mass produce the cure from him. I saw it as the same thing. Oh well.

I wasnt complaining about DD so much as saying that I personally find it hard to explain why a guy with super hearing can do a 400ft header off a building and land on his feet and/or jump so well, regardless of whether it's in the book or movie. What would we think if Batman [ignoring his hangglider cape] just dove off a building on to his feet? Or if he ran up to a 20 ft wall and jumped and grabbed the top of it? It would seem ridiculous and out of his range, I would think. Spiderman, no problem. But these are just plain humans in costume. Don't get me wrong... I like DD [but not Ben Affleck] I also just can't help but think about physics. I know they're comic movies and anything is possible, I guess. When I see a guy fall several stories and grab a flagpole sticking off a building, usually good for a couple swings, I expect 1 or 2 things. His shoulders are going to pop out of their sockets snd tear right off his body due to velocity. Second the flagpole will snap or come off like a dead twig. But nope... everyone has super shoulders, unparalled gymnast skills, and super wrist strength and the pole itself never waivers.
Yes, I know I should just shut up and watch the movie, but it's easier for me to accept in a comic vs watching a real person do the impossible.


I know about the Rogue origins. I just think she had potential and they never used her for anything. She'da been cool even without the Ms Marvel powers if they'd just let her borrow from people.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

That won't stop them.

Of course not. 🙁

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Destroying the boy and destroying the cure is practically the same thing since they're one in the same. They were under the impression that the source of it was an artificial chemical or drug, when its really a power being released through a mutant, and one which is also harvested through extraction and made into a serum.

When Callisto verified that it was a mutant, Magneto wanted the cure destroyed anyway.

So I'd say its pretty much the same thing and common sense would conclude that destroying the cure means destroying the boy because...the boy IS the Cure. Unless he was going to use the kid as a randsom, which would have been smarter.

 

[Goodieluver]

I don't know... Juggernaut was willing to try and smash him against the wall. The kid is the source and they were going to mass produce the cure from him. I saw it as the same thing. Oh well.

I wasnt complaining about DD so much as saying that I personally find it hard to explain why a guy with super hearing can do a 400ft header off a building and land on his feet and/or jump so well, regardless of whether it's in the book or movie. What would we think if Batman [ignoring his hangglider cape] just dove off a building on to his feet? Or if he ran up to a 20 ft wall and jumped and grabbed the top of it? It would seem ridiculous and out of his range, I would think. Spiderman, no problem. But these are just plain humans in costume. Don't get me wrong... I like DD [but not Ben Affleck] I also just can't help but think about physics. I know they're comic movies and anything is possible, I guess. When I see a guy fall several stories and grab a flagpole sticking off a building, usually good for a couple swings, I expect 1 or 2 things. His shoulders are going to pop out of their sockets snd tear right off his body due to velocity. Second the flagpole will snap or come off like a dead twig. But nope... everyone has super shoulders, unparalled gymnast skills, and super wrist strength and the pole itself never waivers.
Yes, I know I should just shut up and watch the movie, but it's easier for me to accept in a comic vs watching a real person do the impossible.


I know about the Rogue origins. I just think she had potential and they never used her for anything. She'da been cool even without the Ms Marvel powers if they'd just let her borrow from people.

Being blind hightens other senses
Also the story is the sludge that blinded him was radioactive, which increased his senses even further. He was later trained to be a fighter by a ninja named stick. How can people like spiderman or other non flying heroes leap a huge distance and land on their feet and not be hurt, its cuz they are super heroes

Known powers: Daredevil possesses the normal human strength of a man his age, height, and build who engages in intensive regular exercise. Daredevil's five sense are heightened to beyond that of even superhumanly enhanced sense. Although Murdock is blind, he can "see" by means of his "radar sense", which acts not unlike sonar. Daredevil is an Olympic level athlete and gymnast, possessing extraordinary agility, endurance, skill and balance. Daredevil's unique fighting style (a blend of ninjitsu, judo and American-style boxing) makes effective use of his Billy Club, which is used as both a baton and grappling hook.

 

[Goodieluver]

Destroying the boy and destroying the cure is practically the same thing since they're one in the same. They were under the impression that the source of it was an artificial chemical or drug, when its really a power being released through a mutant, and one which is also harvested through extraction and made into a serum.

When Callisto verified that it was a mutant, Magneto wanted the cure destroyed anyway.

So I'd say its pretty much the same thing and common sense would conclude that destroying the cure means destroying the boy because...the boy IS the Cure. Unless he was going to use the kid as a randsom, which would have been smarter.

Then magneto coulda just dropped the bridge onto the lab or im sure theres some metal in the island or complex to rip it apart. They used leeches dna to create the syrum to stop the x gene. Tech phoenix showed she can manipulate powers and control other people thru them(see cyclops) Tech she is a bigger threat than leech was. As for juggy killin leech, u dont know if he was aimin for kitty or to grab leech, he is also a moron

 

[juggernaut]

Being blind hightens other senses
Also the story is the sludge that blinded him was radioactive, which increased his senses even further. He was later trained to be a fighter by a ninja named stick. How can people like spiderman or other non flying heroes leap a huge distance and land on their feet and not be hurt, its cuz they are super heroes

Known powers: Daredevil possesses the normal human strength of a man his age, height, and build who engages in intensive regular exercise. Daredevil's five sense are heightened to beyond that of even superhumanly enhanced sense. Although Murdock is blind, he can "see" by means of his "radar sense", which acts not unlike sonar. Daredevil is an Olympic level athlete and gymnast, possessing extraordinary agility, endurance, skill and balance. Daredevil's unique fighting style (a blend of ninjitsu, judo and American-style boxing) makes effective use of his Billy Club, which is used as both a baton and grappling hook.

I'm not debating his senses are heightened. But did you see the movie? He jumps off of an office building. Tens of stories. The five senses are sight, smell, hearing, taste and touch. My brother will loosely argue that it's his sense of touch that allows him to do that, which is the worst of all the viewpoints. It wouldn't make him stronger, it would make him 100x more sensitive. If you slap him on the back, he should pass out from pain. But it doesn't give him super strength, indestructible leg joints, or any other super ability to freefall 500 feet and land upright. Hell, in the "Death of the Incredible Hulk" movie, he fell off a helicoptor from a few hundred feet and it killed him.

I know DD is a skilled fighter, much like Batman, and he's pretty bad ass. But I'm just never gonna buy that one of his super powers is to defy physics.


And nobody insults my boy Juggernaut. Put up your dukes.

 

[BigNorm]

THe film was extremely entertaining for myself, but the whole plot was for no need really, as in a major battle to determine what will be the FINAL outcome for the X Men!

but then when its finally over, Magneto get's his powers back and Xavier isnt really dead!

so it was just one massive circle of a plot :S

Very entertaining to say the least though

what do you mean Xavier's not dead? the mofo got evaporated. can't get much deader.

btw, what was the thing at the end of the credits? i missed it.

 

[yenaw1192]

The proffesor isnt dead if you watch till the end right after the credits, there is a hospital scene when there is a nurse in the room and the proffessor speaks and she goes charles??? and then it ends fully

 

[PainTrain]

I thought it was "Meh"

No where near as good as Batman Begins.

 

[LonelyKimiko]

True True. I hope they make another Batman film like Batman Begins.

 

[Hungarian21]

they are! SUPERMAAAAN! 😛