Commentary - new art forum mod

[drew70]

Well, in case you haven't noticed, there is a new mod in charge of the Art Forum. It's none other than Celtic Emperor, from the TMF. Within a day, he has already...

1) posted a lengthy sticky with all his new "rules" for the art forum (which differ drastically from the rest of TT)
http://www.tickletheater.com/showthread.php?t=8875

2) brought a completely fun and innocent conversation to a grinding halt, insuring he got in the last word by closing the thread.
http://www.tickletheater.com/showthread.php?p=51074#post51074

3) announced he will petition TT to create a special forum for those who enjoy friendly repartee. You will no longer be allowed to verbally spar with your friends anywhere else, if this newcomer gets his way. In short, he's trying to duplicate the TMF's humor forum.

Is this really the direction Tickle Theater should be going? Cast your vote today!

 

[naveltkltr1350]

you know..ill probably get kicked outta this forum..but still..lets not make this place like the TMF..i love the way this place is already! we all have fun..and thats what is supposed to count..this is a place to get away and talk to ppl that share the same ideals and likings as you do..keep it the way it is Mr. TT..dont change us like that

 

[nessonite1]

You will never get in trouble for expressing an opinion here, navel. At least not in THIS forum.

For now.

Thank you Drew for saying what needed to be said. I have never heard TT express a need or desire for an OT gestapo

 

[Kalamos]

As it seems he didn't have the last word.
I can post the full un-abridged page, should need arise.

But I'm sure DJ is a sensible, wise mod, eager to be worthy of his new title. So he'll un-lock that thread soon so people don't see him as overly zealous or abusive.

Best wishes for his new job.
Being a mod is a full-time task, as Venray and Dave told me here and over TMF.

I hope he will be capable to deal with the burden of managing threads, moving files and helping the newbies.

If he won't be able to post the picture we all like, and wait for, anymore, because of his new responsibilities, we'll understand.

From what I gather, we have a whole new host of new and not so new artists, so one leaves, ten arrive.

Welcome to the newcomers then! 🙂


Reg's!

 

[Jaynin]

I am in the position where I am also a new moderator (Not at this forum) and one of the things I promised myself when I was appointed moderator was not to abuse my powers because I didn't particularly like what was going on. That's what this reeks of to me, abuse of power.
I could tell a story here I know of a mod gone bad, who used his power to carry out a vendetta against people he didn't like, threatened them with banning and post deletion because it was against him.

 

[Johnny Ticklish]

OMG, I just read that sticky. And here I thought Saddam Hussein was tucked away in captivity! I can't believe he killed that thread like that. He just waltzes in and takes no prisoners. This is not right. Mr Theater, if you are reading this, pleeeease take this man's power away before he hurts himself.

 

[naveltkltr1350]

OMG, I just read that sticky. And here I thought Saddam Hussein was tucked away in captivity! I can't believe he killed that thread like that. He just waltzes in and takes no prisoners. This is not right. Mr Theater, if you are reading this, pleeeease take this man's power away before he hurts himself.

yes and after all these years..hitler is still alive..TT best do something before this fine place is turned into the ruins of hell..but before that happens..THIS PLACE STILL KICKS ASS!

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

First, I'm not duplicating anything that has anything to do with the TMF. So I don't know where thats coming from.

Second, I went to some ammount of detail with TickleTheater over this. I explained my stance and what I woul hope to achieve and while I cannot read his mind or his heart I do know that he agreed with me, enough to make me a mod in the first place.

Third, this has nothing to do with the TMF.

Fourth I know wouldn't get the last word nor am I claiming to want to. Reality dicates this would happen and I half expected such a thing to happen.

Fifth, I'm not a newcomer. I've been around long enough to where veteran and newbie status is no longer an issue. It never was an issue. Its not about class anyways.

Sixth, I wholeheartedly accepted what I knew would be a job. I didn't jump to the chance for some rush. I made TickleTheater very aware of where I stood on this and how responsibile I would be. The forum I asked for was and is something I think I can handle.

Seventh, I've been an administrator and moderator before elsewhere with great success. While this was outside of the fetish and tickling community I did earn my way to the positions I held, whether there were multiple duties or just one.

Eighth, I don't see how something you have yet to see (that being my ability to moderate) has anything to do with an explosion on the part of others in a thread on another site. I feel this is directed at me in part or in full for the displeasement of how that situation went down. It was in fact Myriads who agreed with me and defended me. I wasn't expecting that and I was protecting myself from what was more or less a mob attack. Concequentally a sticky about forum decorum was created, something which IS not only necessary but long overdo there in regards to the art itself.

Ninth, TicklTheater gave me charge of the tickling art forum because thats what I asked for specifically. He offered to make me a general mod, but I prefered just that one forum. I don't have the time to be everywhere, just like the other mods. But when I can I will definitely help.

Tenth, I feel this is more of an attack of my presumed character and who I am and what I'm about and what I'm going to be about as a leader has been warped and confused by today's events.

Eleventh, I know very well the purpose of this thread, but like I told Kalamos, I don't back down. So say what you will within your liberties. I've proven I can take on a mob and win. I'm 3 and 0. A poll with some not very fair options isn't going to make things any better or worse. I honestly believe in TickleTheater's ability, much like Myriads, to call it as he sees it and not allow himself to be influence by a fringe group, no matter how many they are in number and no matter what they are trying achieve.

You are trying to shoot me down before I've even had a chance. This is unjust resentment for doing what a mod should have done given the direction of the thread. I will gladly reopen it, but I'm not so irresponsible to do so before TickleTheater can read it for himself and decide what ought to be said or done. In truth all I can do was make a temporary solution and speak a word to the one that was making Acorna uncomfortable.

Twelth (yes, I know I spelt that wrong but I'm thinking), I've spoken to TickleTheater about copyrights and such. And it came across to me that he understood enough of where I was coming from to go along with it. I believe in protecting copyrights and I believe distribution without the desire of the artists is wrong. There are several artists among us that post somewhere or have posted somewhere that they do not want their material distributed without permission.

The simple fact is thats whats happening sometimes. All I'm planning to do is stop it. Its as simple as that. I don't see why its seen as bad or wrong, its the right thing to do. If the artist wants their work distributed they can distribute it themselves. They don't need others to do that for them. For those that don't care, thats all fine and good too.

I can only act on what I see. I can only call what I see. And what I see right now is nothing all too seriously. The list were just guidelines, I never said they were rules. I can understand why you would feel threatened by what I'm proposing because the forum would be strained a bit by the editting and reviewing.

But understand this- Art is no different than media. Just like the video companies have a right to protect their material I will protect the material of known artists who may not be aware of whats going on. Rather than go to each one of them and ask "was it ok for them to do this?" I'll have those that post the picture do it. It is their duty, not mine. My duty is to supervize and watch the happenings in that particular forum.

The ammount of copyrighted art which has been uploaded and is not mainstream has not been that bad. And so I can look forward to not having to worry about it. At the same time however I must be ready to deal with it at a moment's notice. I am very diligent when I want to be, and I don't know what the fuss is about.

This is just another ploy to put me in bad with those that would have me, agree with me and cosequentially support me and the mods in doing their jobs. What a see is an venomess, rather insidious attempt to keep me from doing something thats not wrong to begin with, technically and legally speaking.

Lastly, I'm not doing this to win some popularity contest. I'm not in it for power so much as I am in it to be more involved. If I were in your position I suppose I could understand, but I'm not. I wasn't then and I'm not now. I'm just a simple guy who wants to do simple things. I'm not a criminal. This whole situation has been blown up out of proportion and its being used as a weopon. If you can't let personal feelings aside and control your feelings then I don't know what to say.

I'm not a bad guy when you get to know me. And in truth you haven't even given me a chance. This is my first day, and it would be sad for someone to be cut down because of some contemptable thread pressed by some angry people got in the way.

In the end its not my decision, nor is it yours. I believe we can find a happy medium though. You are quick to judge but are not willing to compromise, listen, even understand. While surely I'll be outnumbered again I know I'll come out of this ok. I always do. If that means continuing without the mod status, well, fine. I don't mean to make such a battle out of this like you do. If it works out it does, if it doesn't, well, then it doesn't. But for now I am a moderator and I honestly haven't personally given TickleTheater a reason to not give me the job.

I contribute to this site just like the others. I offer my services to it, just like the others. Its just a matter of opinion, and once again this boils down which opinions wins out. I understand my being a mod and posting in Ness's thread was the smoking gun that started this. Or was it? I feel somehow this would have happened whether I posted there or not.

Nothing is set in stone, and I already told TickleTheater if he doesn't like something I proposed then he can change it. Whether it works the way I've proposed it or not, thats no reason for me not to be a moderator here anyways.

 

[naveltkltr1350]

..down goes this thread

 

[Kalamos]

I wish you best luck with this endeavour.

So far your action bespeak of different intentions, but I'm sure under your guide the TT art forum will prosper.

Oh, it was sad that they closed your thread on TMF. Kingmidrif couldn't really accept a proper critique. Your remark about his character's eyes reminding you of gollum was clearly a nice jab. People don't really have any humour to speak of.

I'm sure deleting my post was an oversight on your part, and you'll open that thread really soon.

I cannot see what people going off-topic means with protecting artist's copyrights.

I'm very happy to hear you'll protect our rights. It was about time someone brought some order to this place. I almost forgot was discipline was all about.

I'd like to see more forums, and it is time amateur drawers get a separate gallery - I cannot believe TT actually let their pics mingle with pro's art.

I'd suggest implementing some script that will prevent users from saving the artists' works. It is already bothersome to produce art for the untrained. Letting them save those pics for their personal... pleasure just gives me the goosebumps.

And...

I was joking of course. 😉

Popularity does matter, if people ask TT to relieve you.
But, hey, I am a wanderer at heart. 🙂

Be seeing you.

 

[naveltkltr1350]

i agree in that whole long list of bs with one thing..copyrighted material..ok..but closing down a thread cause it doesnt stay on topic..come on.We are here to have fun, and closing down a topic so no one can retaliate is not much of "taking on a MOB" now is it??You will be taking on a whole Mob family now..the TT members are like a mob family of its own..so good luck with us..As so far, none of the members have agreed with you and your most of your rules you are trying to set..i wish you the best of luck..i do also have to say one thing..your art work..is rather good, but your rules are not

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Furthermore, stand back for a moment. Seriously, stand back and put yourself beside yourself. Try and see this for a moment from an outside perspective other than your own.

Now I'm willing to admit I'm going to be strict sometimes. But the level at which I am is directly proportionate to the level of the persistance I am facing from the opposition. When someone makes it a point to recklessly post copyrighted material for example, I'll meet that with the equally leveled opposite reaction. You have to mean it for it to work. You have to be strong and straightfoward when dealing with matters like this. Subtle pleading doesn't work. They'll just do it again and again and again. IF you get it through to them the first few times eventually you'll start to see the desired effect.

Now lets go to you. Look at you. You're pointing fingers left and right, practically accusing me of stuff I have yet to do, and some of you that don't even know me are comparing me to Saddam Hussein. Are you telling me in your right mind you don't see the problem with that?

Are you telling me you are not being hostile and completely unfriendly? I acted within my means. It was not an abuse of power. The thread was in the art forum and so I dealt with it. Higher authority (in this case TickleTheater) will always have the last say. I know that and you know that.

So whats the problem?

Was my appointment to moderator so unexpected that you couldn't react in any other way? Why are you being so hostile? The thread was over 14 pages long. I don't think anyone is going to lose anything when I'm sure everyone had plenty of time to say what they wanted. Again, I temporarily closed it to avoid THIS for happening THERE! Whats wrong with that? Absolutely nothing.

 

[naveltkltr1350]

i agree with the copyrighted material..but closing a thread..come on..get real..you are really taking the fun outta TT..and the members here..wont stand for it..or maybe we should just not post where you are a mod at..just ignore you i would say..no..i didnt call you saddam..i said you were more like hitler..which is worse i guess..i take that back..since i dont think you would ever kill millions of people..but your dictatorship you are trying to bring into TT is just really taking the fun outta posting..even if its off subject..the original poster either post right along with it or isnt even online enough to care..copyrighted material--yes...closing every thread that gets off subject--no! i might not be much of an artist..hence i dont post my art..but i agree id get mad if ppl were taking my art..understandable..very..just let us be on the threads and quit trying to close the ones off subject down..cause..in that case youd have to close a couple hundred probably down..for being off subject

 

[Kalamos]

TT appointed him. TT has the final word.

Maybe admin felt the forum had to be run differently.
Personally I don't think DJ's "I don't back down" attitude is good or profitable.

But he said he isn't here to be popular as a mod. I just hope this won't hurt his popularity as an artist.

I'd never accept a task that could jeopardize my limited and hard-gotten fame as an artist [I'm not only speaking of my scant few tickle pics, of course].

So, I wish TT and DJ good luck.
I hope your subjects... er... users will adjust. 😉
Maybe I'll adjust too.

...

Maybe I won't.

 

[naveltkltr1350]

his artistic ability is great..him being a mod isnt

 

[naveltkltr1350]

i vote Kalamos and Nessie as art forum mods!

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

There you go proving my point. Who said I was going to be this way with every thread? Who said every assumed situation is going to end the same way? You are assuming that. And thats unfair to me and my personality which is otherwise agreeable with what you are saying to an extent. I don't like the idea of having to do some of the things I'll be called to do. And thats whether it is an issue of conscience or of duty as a moderator.

You are all always going to have your fun. Don't act as if one person can or would take that away from you. I'm just like everyone else, I want to have fun too, you know. But I'm not going to let that take priority over what I've agreed to do. No 'honest' man likes killing but doesn't mind when a soldier in a war shoots for his country.

In the long run, which is the state of mind I'm thinking in right now, I honestly think things will be fine. This isn't all fun and games. And for me, I've now made a real sacrifice to do this. I know some will like me and some will not like me for it, but this was a sacrifice I was willing to make no matter where it ends up leading me. I have experience and I know what I'm doing.

One thread that is TEMPORARLY closed is no big deal and shouldn't be more than a blip on any of our radar screens. This has been blown out of proportion and the insinuations against myself are rather contemptable.

@ Kalamos- I will not deny that I deleted your last post there. I did that for a reason though. You mentioned the TMF out of context. That was a no no. Because it was feeding people who have yet to know me in any capacity a falsehood based on your aggrivation during that situation. I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but like I said there, what happens here stays here. Thats the way I've carried myself, and its made me a happy person thus far. Perhaps it will work for you if you try it.

I'm not going to stress and worry about this. It does me no good. If TickleTheater caves in like you want him to and takes my mod abilities away as a result, theres nothing I can do about that I guess. But one thing I can do is never change. No one here is willing to change, give even an inch, or try and compromise. I won't do it because I didn't do anything wrong. Again.

I temporarily closed a thread. Its as simple as that. It can be undone just as easily as it was done. No harm has been caused nor mental anguish. No one seems mentally rought. Its not enough just to complain. You have to prove damages. And no one seems damaged from my closing an old thread that I only got to seeing by the way today. Its not like I was staking it out and biding my time.

I'm not 'looking' for targets people, I'm just doing my job.

 

[nessonite1]

The issue here is not copyright infringment. The current mods are capable of handling any copyright issue that comes up. The issue here is the arbitrary closing of a thread just because it went OT.
It is not any mod's job to close a thread because it goes OT. That is a decision for, if anyone, the OP of the thread. If any thread gets out of hand the OP ( or anyone for that matter) can voice his or her concern and action is taken. This happens SO VERY rarely that it is a non-issue.

I dont know anything about you and the TMF. I dont know or care what you did or didnt do there. All I know if this forum is a good place to be and there isn't a single person so far who agrees with what you are trying to turn the art forum into. Not one single persona has complained about that thread going OT except you. You are fixing a problem that doesnt exist for anybody but yourself.
The fact that you see this as taking on a mob speaks volumes to me and hopefully to TT as well. We are not a mod to be conquered. We are a very close knit community and family here. We don't need our thoughts cencored or our posts moderated. This is a free and open discussion group for free and open discussion. So if a post about a person's piece of art turns into a discussion of Porche vs Corvette then so be it. If anyone has a problem they'll say so and it will be taken care of.

What I see here is a massive complaint by the membership here. Your opinions about the way the art or any other forum should be handled does not over rule the general opinion of the citizens. If we like it the way it is then that's the way it should be kept. No harm is coming to anybody. OT threads are hardly amatter of great concern and in fact it is what helps keep this such an open, free, and active place.

Look around...everyone wants things to stay as they are. Take that as a hint and try to change your ways of running a forum to meet what the people want...it wont work the other way round.

 

[naveltkltr1350]

The issue here is not copyright infringment. The current mods are capable of handling any copyright issue that comes up. The issue here is the arbitrary closing of a thread just because it went OT.
It is not any mod's job to close a thread because it goes OT. That is a decision for, if anyone, the OP of the thread. If any thread gets out of hand the OP ( or anyone for that matter) can voice his or her concern and action is taken. This happens SO VERY rarely that it is a non-issue.

I dont know anything about you and the TMF. I dont know or care what you did or didnt do there. All I know if this forum is a good place to be and there isn't a single person so far who agrees with what you are trying to turn the art forum into. Not one single persona has complained about that thread going OT except you. You are fixing a problem that doesnt exist for anybody but yourself.
The fact that you see this as taking on a mob speaks volumes to me and hopefully to TT as well. We are not a mod to be conquered. We are a very close knit community and family here. We don't need our thoughts cencored or our posts moderated. This is a free and open discussion group for free and open discussion. So if a post about a person's piece of art turns into a discussion of Porche vs Corvette then so be it. If anyone has a problem they'll say so and it will be taken care of.

What I see here is a massive complaint by the membership here. Your opinions about the way the art or any other forum should be handled does not over rule the general opinion of the citizens. If we like it the way it is then that's the way it should be kept. No harm is coming to anybody. OT threads are hardly amatter of great concern and in fact it is what helps keep this such an open, free, and active place.

Look around...everyone wants things to stay as they are. Take that as a hint and try to change your ways of running a forum to meet what the people want...it wont work the other way round.

well said ness!

 

[Jaynin]

I also agree with Nessie here. Copyright infringement was dealt with already, and while it was a problem, it was a minor one. It was under control. The "off-topic" problem did not seem to exist. If a thread creator asked the off-topic posts to stop, then they would stop. I do not believe closing the thread was really justified here.
Note that none of what I have said is a strike against the mod's character. It is an expression of my opinion.

 

[naveltkltr1350]

i vote jaynin in as a mod..nessie said so too!

 

[Kalamos]

-> DJ

I will not deny that I deleted your last post there. I did that for a reason though. You mentioned the TMF. That was a no no. Because it was feeding people who have yet to know me in any capacity a falsehood based on your aggrivation during that situation.

First of all, aggravation. 🙂

Second, I don't know on whose behalf you are speaking.
I could reply that by deleting my post, people will never hear MY version of it.

But, since THAT post is now my signature, everybody can read it - and it is quite clear that nobody mentioned in detail what happened on TMF. 🙂

...

Really, this only goes to show you can't tell your duties apart - YET.

You fight fiercely, none can deny it. But now you can fight with mod powers. And you are not above deleting a post if you feel it will "feed people who have yet to know you in any capacity a falsehood based on my aggrAvation during that situation".

That is, you'll delete a post if you feel it damages your public image.
Don't play with words, please. Not with me.

...

So, basically, I once again wish you luck.
If you are not up to the task, TT will duly relieve you.
If you are, the forum will be a better place.

Either way, the users will benefit from it.
Eventually.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Let is backtrack.

Someone was being harassed. I had the power to stop it. I did. I then made several mentions that that thead should now go back on topic. It would have been fine had Kalamos not said anything. He was however ignorant at the time of the appointment, so he said what he said and later editted it. It was at that point that it became an issue of me standing up for someone and cautioning that something would be done if it persisted. Whether that person wanted that support or not is beside the point. It was the right thing to do given my new status at that moment. When the thread started to revolve around me thats when it did indeed go off topic. I closed the thread to avoid this thread just being an extension of that one. I did take appropriate measures in retrospect.

Once again, no harm is done. What I did was not set in stone and was meant to be later reviewed by TickleTheater (both the minor harassement and the off topic nature of the thread at that point.)

Its important to remember the time frame in which this happened. It was a temporary solution that will be resolved later. If I opened the thread back up now, would that change anything? No. You'd feel the same way because now you've taken it too personally.

This is really unfortunate. What I did, I didn't do with bad intentions. Thats something to remember as you continue to brood. How many people agree or disagree with me isn't the point, and I only used the term 'mob' to discribe the way I'm being treated. I'm not calling the good people of TickleTheater some sort of mob.

But everyone has it in them to make something bad of something. You are all just as guilty as you think I am in taking this this far. It really is just a thread, the art was posted, it was commented on a hundred fold probably, no one was cheated, no one was swindled, and it can continue just as easily as it was stopped.

But what I did I did for safety's sake. I know its not a popular decision, but I have to act as a mod, not as a regular user.

And to further state my sacrifice, it really is a sacrifice. Because in taking this job, assuming I keep it, I'll have less of my limited free time to draw. And that means less artwork. Thats the ultimate sacrifice an artist can make online, I think in some ways.

While I'm not looking for a pity trip I hope it does go to show how determined I am to do the right thing. Users and mods disagree 50% of the time. Thats an online fact. You just disagreed with me this time. I can live with that. Maybe you will agree with me next time. Ever think of that? No. No one wants to admit that its a very strong possibility, nay, a truth, that this was just bad timing and that it didn't have to end up this way, but rather could have ended in a disagreement. This thread is only an attempt to take away something I asked for unselfishly.

"You win some you lose some" as one of our fellow artist said not too long ago. Thats so true, but it doesn't have to be that way. At least, it doesn't have to be this way. We could all better than we are now. Not a single one of us is above a squabbling mess. Anyone that has participated in this thread now or will is openly admitting that they don't mind getting their hands dirty. What has become of this is good and bad. The good? Perhaps closure soon. The bad? It puts mistrust between some of us, and thats never good.

 

[drew70]

First, I'm not duplicating anything that has anything to do with the TMF. So I don't know where thats coming from.

I think you know exactly where that's coming from. Let's not pretend. The TMF created a forum called the Humor Forum, where all of the less serious "I got you, you got me" stuff gets moved too. You've made it clear you don't approve of such banter in your precious Art Forum, and even admitted you were going to petition TT to create a forum for such discourse. THAT's where that's coming from.

Second, I went to some ammount of detail with TickleTheater over this. I explained my stance and what I woul hope to achieve and while I cannot read his mind or his heart I do know that he agreed with me, enough to make me a mod in the first place.

Did you make him aware that you were going to restrict the content of the Art Forum? That you would take action should the number of replies (which are easily ignored for those uninterested) exceed that for which you personally care?

Sixth, I wholeheartedly accepted what I knew would be a job. I didn't jump to the chance for some rush. I made TickleTheater very aware of where I stood on this and how responsibile I would be. The forum I asked for was and is something I think I can handle.

So far, the majority of responses indicates an opinion to the contrary.

Ninth, TicklTheater gave me charge of the tickling art forum because thats what I asked for specifically. He offered to make me a general mod, but I prefered just that one forum. I don't have the time to be everywhere, just like the other mods. But when I can I will definitely help.

Closing threads, changing the rules to fit your personal agenda. This helps YOU, but not the rest of us. Step back and look at what you did today. Do you have any idea of how rude and self-serving those actions were?

Tenth, I feel this is more of an attack of my presumed character and who I am and what I'm about and what I'm going to be about as a leader has been warped and confused by today's events.

I'm not questioning your character, merely your judgment, your actions, and your ability to handle the power you've been granted.

Eleventh, I know very well the purpose of this thread, but like I told Kalamos, I don't back down. So say what you will within your liberties. I've proven I can take on a mob and win.

What you've proven is that you're not able to contain the power you've been granted. You've acted with reckless abuse and inconsideration. And I'm sure it's quite easy to win a battle when you have editing and deleting capabilities.

A poll with some not very fair options isn't going to make things any better or worse.

I offered both pro and con options as well as indifferent. What would you consider fair options?

You are trying to shoot me down before I've even had a chance. This is unjust resentment for doing what a mod should have done given the direction of the thread.

Dude, if anything was shot down, it was the thread you prematurely and irresponsibly closed. Nobody shot you down. You shot yourself in the foot. This is censorship of the most heinous order. The resentment is both justified and warranted.

I will gladly reopen it, but I'm not so irresponsible to do so before TickleTheater can read it for himself and decide what ought to be said or done. In truth all I can do was make a temporary solution and speak a word to the one that was making Acorna uncomfortable.

Acorna was already in good hands with Nessonite and Camel26. Your intervention was completely unnecessary and uncalled for. It was clearly an attempt to establish your authority and territory.

Twelth (yes, I know I spelt that wrong but I'm thinking), I've spoken to TickleTheater about copyrights and such. And it came across to me that he understood enough of where I was coming from to go along with it. I believe in protecting copyrights...(snipped off-topic diatrabe pertaining to copyrights)...

This thread isn't about copyrights. Now it is you who is speaking off-topic. By your own Big Brother rules, this statement should be edited.

This is just another ploy to put me in bad with those that would have me, agree with me and cosequentially support me and the mods in doing their jobs. What a see is an venomess, rather insidious attempt to keep me from doing something thats not wrong to begin with, technically and legally speaking.

No, it's an expression of my objection to what I see as a blatantly tyrannical and territorial approach to what should be a very simple job.

Lastly, I'm not doing this to win some popularity contest. I'm not in it for power so much as I am in it to be more involved. If I were in your position I suppose I could understand, but I'm not. I wasn't then and I'm not now. I'm just a simple guy who wants to do simple things. I'm not a criminal. This whole situation has been blown up out of proportion and its being used as a weopon. If you can't let personal feelings aside and control your feelings then I don't know what to say.

To the best of my knowlege you and I have never traded words before today. I recognize your name from the TMF, but that's all I know about you. I hold no ill will toward you personally, although you seem determined to paint that picture.

I'm not a bad guy when you get to know me. And in truth you haven't even given me a chance. This is my first day, and it would be sad for someone to be cut down because of some contemptable thread pressed by some angry people got in the way.

I'm sure you are a cool guy. You are certainly not the first person I've seen to radically abuse power. Not everybody is meant to wield such power. My opinion is that you are far better suited to contribute art than to manage people. There is no shame in that. It's probably good that your propensity towards despotism was revealed early in the game. The question to ask now is...now that you know, what are you going to do about it?

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

@ Kalamos- What version of what? It was just a comment designed to foster decent. You took advantage of a sensitive situation and now you are attempting to pin me to the wall with a classic "ah ha! I've got you!" combo. Its not going to work. And don't think you know me well enough to believe half of what you just said. Its a clouded judgement at best, and that provides the others with nothing. And there should be no desire to provide anyway. The TMF is your only weopon, your trump card, and I don't know why you so confident about something you lost. Anyone who now goes and reads the thread out of curiousity perhaps will learn of how it went down. The facts cannot lie.

And spare me your lies. You don't care what happens to me, so stop pretending to offer me a peacepipe. All you're trying to do right now is wash your hands and walk away clean. No ammount of washing will clean you from this. Me neither, but I'm big enough to not try and find a way out. I'm dealing with this and dealing with it now.