Commentary - new art forum mod

[Kalamos]

I'd like to add Acorna was in no real danger whatsoever.

She is quite capable of taking care of herself. Feminine guiles win over brute force - even moreso on the web.

Now, since I can afford the luxury of being short winded, despite being a non-native speaker, I'd say, DJ, you simply lack humour.

You seem incapable of posting a brief comment. Even on the most mundane matter, you write an essay. You already replied it is within your rights to compose posts however you wish.

And here we get an issue: you are not here anymore to protect your own rights, but to uphold the rules of the forum.

This means you can not allow yourself to NEVER retreat.
Let me quote you on that.

Users and mods disagree 50% of the time. Thats an online fact. You just disagreed with me this time. I can live with that. Maybe you will agree with me next time.

Hope you realize you don't ever contemplate the option of you agreeing with the users.
People either agree with you, or are wrong.

And, please... a sacrifice? Did you really take me seriously on that?

If BAC himself [or Saudelli, or whatever] posted free pics, we'd have people complaining, anyway.

So... I'm just replying for the sake of english practice.


Reg's.

 

[AcornaMordor]

Yup Daddy Drew knows - He was in the Army ^.^ *shuts up now.. hates politics.. slinks off to her dark corner and huddles with her experiment...*

 

[Kalamos]

-> DJ


The TMF is your only weopon, your trump card, and I don't know why you so confident about something you lost. Anyone who now goes and reads the thread out of curiousity perhaps will learn of how it went down. The facts cannot lie.


I deeply despise your use of military metaphores in this context.
It bespeaks of your moral code and beliefs. You don't relate to people. You gauge foes.

That's also why I said, over TMF, that you lost MY respect.
You scoffed at that.
And I finally realized my trust on you was ill placed.



And spare me your lies. You don't care what happens to me, so stop pretending to offer me a peacepipe. All you're trying to do right now is wash your hands and walk away clean. No ammount of washing will clean you from this. Me neither, but I'm big enough to not try and find a way out. I'm dealing with this and dealing with it now.

Actually I was making fun of you. But I suppose my sarcasm went wasted.

I don't care if you are a mod or not. It is a task I don't desire myself, so better
burden someone else. If you think you are up to it, well, have fun.
Really, do you think you are SO important to my eyes?

Just leave MY posts alone.

 

[nessonite1]

Let us refraif from further discussion of the TMF. I do not want anyone to comfuse this with some sort of extension of some problem there.

Now this is under the guise of protesting Acorna?!
Firstly she did not complain that she was being 'harrassed'. I know Acorna quite well enough to know if she is being hurt and needs protecting. As it is Camel and I handled the matter perfectly well with no mod power involved. It was a complete non-issue. There was no harrassment whatsoever...simply a misdirected comment or two. Acorna asked that she not be involved and she was no longer involved. Simple. Done. Over. Matters can be, and are, solved without closing any threads.

First it is copyright protection (non-issue). The it is topics going OT (nobody ever complained about that), now it is harrassment (nobody complained and the matter was easily resolved by those involved). What next?

Not only is there no need for a mod in the art forum but the person currently holding that position is quite obviously making problems where there used to be none. Without him as mod there would be no problems right now. There is nothing to be fixed yet he feels compelled to fix things.
TT I implore you...keep this beautiful forum the way it is. We dont need policing or mods breaking up conversations. Members here dont need to be saved from themselves or eachother.
As far as forums go you will not find a more amiable, friendly group. We rarely have arguments between us and they are ALWAYS solved without intervention.

It's apparently not about topics being OT anymore but I will also stress that this is not a problem either.

I have no doubt that TT will resolve this. He is a very reasonable man and has yet to steer us wrong. He runs a good clean ship here and we love him for it.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Well Drew, I'm not going to reply to all of that, just what I know isn't true.

First is the Humor forum. I've never posted there to my knowledge and I don't even frequent it. Your assumption would lead others to believe that I do and would paint me a liar whose got something to deny. What I suggested with creating a forum just for lighthearted fun is something common place on many forums everywhere. It is an effective and responsible way to filter spam yet give people that fun factor they want and need at times.

I made him (TT) aware of my stance on copyrights. Common sense then tells you what that means. It means I won't tolerate copyright infringement. I don't see how that limits the material available to us. What it does is encourages people to ask permission and develop more healthy distribution habits.

My actions (which have yet to take any kind of effect) are not self-serving. I wouldn't do something just for my sake. It doesn't make sense, and thats like planting the dagger in my own back. Totally pointless. If you follow this through to conclusion and with reason, hopefully you will see that this can't just be all about me. I wouldn't ask to be a mod just so I can get into tiffs like this. What has happened today and this evening is unfortunate and none of us are any better off for taking part in this.

Yes, they got to him before I did. But technically I'm the mod and I felt my say was important. Note that at that point there was nothing wrong with the situation. Not yet. They gave him his and then I have him mine. Nothing wrong with that.

You contradict yourself in agreeing or in saying that you and I have never really spoken. How then can you claim to know that I know what the humor forum is or what goes on in there? Two can play that game pal.

You're final comment is the most important and the one I appriciate the most.

What am I going to do? Nothing. Isn't that obvious. According to what this thread is demanding without saying it, we know whats going to happen and I have no say or second chance in any of it. The majority has spoken right? One situation that went awry by a mixture of my newbieness as a mod here HERE (not anywhere else I've been) and a mixture of personal feelings from some of you have decided the outcome.

The real question isn't to ask me. Its to ask TickleTheater. As I said, the pressure is on him, and its all a matter of seeing if he'll cave and give you what you want, or if he will see past this horrible happening and give me the benefit of the doubt.

Its really up to him, and at this point I can still walk away a winner, and so can everyone else. This is of course regardless of what happens to me now. If this is the end, so soon, then fine. But its a shame, as my experience will have kept me running the gamut. Despite what happened today, I am very good mod material and have had success elsewhere. I only mention this to express the awkwardness of what happened. It would have been dealt with differently on some of those other places. And it really leads me to wonder, is it me whose different or is it all of you? Think about that when you ponder the final moments of this thread.

Also be aware I could have deleted this thread at any time. I didn't. That should stand for something. I didn't avoid answering anyone and I spoke the truth. I'm proud of that.

 

[Kalamos]

-> DJ

So, let's reply for practice's sake.


Its really up to TT, and at this point I can still walk away a winner.


You don't seem to realize. There is no winner if a mod is forcibily relieved! It weakens the admin's image and upsets all involved parties!

Either case we lose. And besides, if TT actually removes you, you'll even have to live with people rejoycing over it!

How can you be so blind? It baffles me.



Also be aware I could have deleted this thread at any time. I didn't. That should stand for something. I didn't avoid answering anyone and I spoke the truth. I'm proud of that.


Oh, sure, you didn't kill the captive, just smack him in the jaw.

This statement really tells us of your real mettle.
You didn't delete the whole thread...

YOU COULDN'T! First of all, you'd end up deleting a lot of innocent unrelated posts.

Second, Ness started it - and she's a FULL mod. While you oversee over a small part of the forum.

...

Bah.

 

[nessonite1]

Well if he has the power to delete threads in any forum then nobody is safe to express an opinion.
The fact that he did not delete this thread does not say anything other than he will alloow Drew to ask opinions of other people and exercize his rights as a forum member and the member's rights to reply. That doeant say anything good...just doesnt say anything bad.

I will hopefully be able to refrain from further comment as I want as many members aspossible to feel free to voice their own opinions.

 

[AcornaMordor]

Well... As much as I hate to say this and I'm not trying to take sides and I really don't want to get involved at all but...

I don't appreciate your assumption that the situation was out of control and needed to be taken into your own hands as moderator, Celtic. Frankly I don't know you, and I'm not fond of people who act like I can't take care of myself. If something would have gotten out of hand, I would have gone to Ness. If Ness wasn't available, Daddy Drew, then Camel, MistressVal, Kal, and so on until I found someone that could help remedy the problem - but the fact of the matter is that there was no problem and I stated such in the thread and you continued to treat it as if someone had been threatening me or just flooding the entire forum with the same request which was only said once and which I denied...

I don't know you, I don't go to the TMF, I never have, so I have no understanding of your past alliances with whoever around here so don't think I'm saying this out of some past spite or something...

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I wasn't talking about her thread, I'm talking about this one Kalamos. Pay attention. Your ability to skip important details at will also baffles me.

As for you Ness, hell, the more the merrier right? Its already overkill. 😛

And what I meant by that was good. It means I respect other people's opinions enough to leave them be in expressing them. I could have completely got out of this scott free. All it would taken was some dirty playing. I didn't do that. You might say "well you idiot the admin can see deleted posts because they end up in the cache". Well, assuming I didn't want to get caught I could have gotten rid of any traceable evidence, and since he was the first poster, it would have been his word against mine. There are several things, underhanded things I could have done to come out of this if I wanted without so much as a care.

My point?

I didn't take any easy way out when I easily could have. I'm here and have been since it started. I haven't abandoned my responsbility where surely others will have found a way out if they so wanted.

I'm here, talking to you and the others, getting it out of eachother's system, and thats the best any of us can do right now.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Acorna, I'm not selling you short. Please don't misunderstand that. My assertion was just as valid at that point. Also, moderators get what are called "reports" when someone reports a messege. Again, technically, it was my duty to respond to it regardless of the circumstances that were or were to be.

 

[BigNorm]

mmmm... i agree but yall post too much words so i'm too lazy too read it all. he's not trying to pull a hitler, more like a Joseph Stalin. hehe j/k. but u dont hafta close the thread if there is arguing, its just in the name of fun, no matter how intense it is.as far as i know, celtic emperor is a good guy with awesome artwork, and it seems is whole life is centered around tickling and these forums. so i wouldn't be so quick to judge.

 

[AcornaMordor]

yeah talk about getting off-topic...

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Its ROGER SMITH!!! Cool avatar! I didn't know you were a Big O fan!

If you were saying in the later half that this is my life, or thats what you were trying to say, thats far from the truth. I'm far less in touch with my feelings on the matter than quite possibily anyone else here.

But thats neither here nor there.

This back and forth stuff has really taxed me and I'm just about spent for the night. To quote Spike Speigal from Cowboy Bebop "whatever happens, happens."

So let me put it this way peeps, what would you have me do right now? What do you honestly think would make it all better? I actually want to hear this.

 

[nessonite1]

I am aware that all mods get emailed when a post is reported and I have received no such email regarding any thread in the art forum or elsewhere in quite some time. As I stated earlier the only reports I ever get are from the video forum when people post copyrighted videos (usually TC's)

I dont know how they do it at the TMF but around here we take care of our own disputes. Hell, we dont even HAVE disputes for the most part. In the future we ALL ask you to refreain from taking it upon yourself to assume someone needs rescuing.
Acorna (and everyone else) knows how to ask for help if she needs it. It may be your 'duty' to step in when there is a real problem but unless someone is in obvious need of assistence there is no need to step in. Acorna holds her own. We all know that. And should the occasion arise that she needs someone to support her she has plenty of friends willing and able to do so.
That doesnt change the fact that you didnt use that as your original excuse for closing our thread.
It is a long tradition of ours to stray far off topic any time we choose. Nobody has a problem with it and nobody ever has. So far you're the only person I've seen complain about it. Taking that into consideration it should be clear that some rethinking of your policies may be in order. We dont need or want police here. The only use I see for more than maybe one mod is the assurance of prompt response when there is a copyright complaint. As it is these things are handles in minutes because you can be sure that at any time of day at least one mod is online and checking his (or her) email soon.

I wont lie and say this whole thing hasn't upset me greatly. This is my home and I have been overwhelmed today with people telling me they are genuinely disturbed by what they see happening. Myself, I was having a fantastic day. I got to have a long chat with someone who I've always looked up to and I had a great night last night. Now I am quite visibly shaken. I dont want TT to be a source of aggravation for anyone when it has been a place of comfort for so many, myself included, for so long.

Things are running as they have always run. Smoothly. Without any moderator interference or policing. Lets keep it that way. We dont need changes in rules or new regulations.

 

[nessonite1]

I must have been typing when you put forth your recent reply so I'll answer you now...
What can be done? If you really want to know because you want to work on a resolution then I'll tell you. I hope you're not just looking for more points to argue. I dont think you are.

As I said above I am really hurt over this. TT has been my coming of age as it were over the last several months and I dont want it to be a source of conflict. Here is the solution as I see it though I pretty much have already said it. No changes in rules...no policing OT threads unless asked to do so by someone who has been hurt, offended, etc. no stepping in unless requested to. These or unwritten rules that we have all lived by and it has helped shape this into the caring, friendly, wonderful forum that it is.
I personally dont see why there has been a mod for the art forum appointed. The art forum has never had any problems but if TT really sees a point to it then that's his choice. But this obviously isnt working. I dont want to fight any more than you do.
So what do you think about that? Can you just let things continue as they always have and allow the foum and it's membership to thrive? I really hope so. Not because I want to "win" or because I want to beat you down...but because I want peace. This is how I see it working and I'd like to resolve this without bothering TT about it. The reason thereare mods is to releave TT of the burdon when minor problems occur and I'd rather have this resolved before he gets up in the morning and sees this mess.

And please pardon my spelling. My hands are rather unsteady tonight.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Could you be a little more specific? I meant about what to do now. Not what COULD have been. Can't change the past, now can we?

 

[nessonite1]

Specific? Well in the future I'd say try to live by the rules we all try to live by. Help solve problems where there really are problems but that happens so rarely that, as a mod, you mainly just sit around with an honorific title attached to your name.
Minor member disputes, rare as they are, dont need mod intervention unless someone specifically asks for it. That's all...no big deal. The members here are some of the best people it has been my pleasure to know and I am honored to be among them. The bad eggs are few and far between and usually come and go in the same day.
Basically...do nothing. Nothing really needs to be done. Liike I said about a million times I dont think we need any new rules as there is no abuse of the lack of strict rules. Specifically I'm speaking of OT threads.

Anyway...I'm very tired. It's 2:20am and though I usually stay awake through the night today has just worn me out. I will be going offline soon.
I hope what I'm saying makes sense and I hope now that I am a bit more calm I have the sense about me to say it more articulately.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

That last post came before I saw your second to last and its taking far too long for the forum to load a page.

Anyways, I've actually taken a shine to you. You're really passionate about things and I know that what you have to say is sincere and isn't just contrived to make a point or meet an end.

Your respect for others even in the midst of doubt and uncertainly is uncanny and something that I don't see much of these days. I respect you and out of everyone that has posted you are the one that has made the most of an impact on me.

While I cannot promise anything, I will try to change things. Because believe me when I say that this isn't the real me. Its like I'm two different people online and off..

Anyways, don't worry about your spelling. Its much better at this point in the thread than mine is. I don't even want to go back and correct the typos this time.

I'm not so sure what to do now. Its harder than it seems when you have no guidance. I've always felt a little lost here, even though I know my way around.

 

[nessonite1]

Celtic...your reply is a great releif to me. The last thing I want to do is have a war.

But you are right in your assesment. I am very passionate when it comes to what I believe in and what I feel is right. Anyone who knows me can attest to how difficult a confrontation is for me and it can easily be seen in how shaken I have been today. Over a forum, can you believe it?

What you see is what you get with me. I dont beat around the bush or say things just to win an argument. I must say that your respect for me and the tone of your last post was unexpected.

I take it from what other people have said that you are a mod on the TMF. this is about as far from that sort of environment as you can get.Mods here are bored and useless. Basically you dont have to do anything more than delete a post or two a month because of copyright. that's it.

When the honor of mod was first given to me I just sat around for a while watching what the other guys did so I could take my cue from them. Really thats what Im still doing. Mods here are redundant 3 times over because everyone here is so well behaved.

So I implore you to please reconsider the new regulations for the art forum. Dont fix what aint broke as the saying goes. If a thread is accidentally posted there if it belongs in photo, move it. If a copyright holder complains that someone has used their work, remove it. And if a member abuses another member send him or her a warning to stop. if they do not stop then recommend to TT that he or she be banned. It is very rare for a post to be deleted entirely or for a thread to be closed. The former happens only rarely and the latter never at all.
It's very relaxed here which is why this disturbance has me so rattled. lets just keep things normal, eh?

 

[vampireshadow]

why doesn't Celtic have the title of Mod under his screen name then? if he is the new Mod here. or inless he's a poser?

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

I've had many wars, and each one I've won...but at a cost...such a cost. And it really takes alot out of you over time, and I'm not talking just mental fatigue. Other things start to set in too over time. You become jaded and indifferent.

Actually, I'm not a mod on the TMF and I wouldn't want to be. Its far too exclusive there for my tastes and even if I was a mod I don't think I'd be happy there. There is clearly a difference in my mind between that place and here.

Agreed. We have an accord. I'll delete it, that will save me the trouble of other things.

You have to understand though I'm restless in a way. I have this energy that needs to be used. I can't just be idle and do nothing with my time. I know you have all taken sort of a laid back sort of approach here, but thats not me all the time. I'm about action. I need to find a happy medium here, and I just don't know how to go about that. I have virtually nothing in common with a great deal of you at first glance. This is a fetish forum revolves around tickling afterall. While I'm not saying its too far gone or I'm too far gone to understand it or be a part of it in a small or big way, I feel like an outsider. How do I belong? I need a niche.

Anyways, I'm going to bed. If I'm still a mod when I log on tomorrow good for me. If I'm not, very well then. Theres always next time and other opportunities. I won't let one mishap discourage me.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

@ Vampireshadow- Because I was only recently instated and I have yet to be given the red bold type for my name. As far as the user title, well, I guess it didn't change when he made me a mod. It stayed the same. Meh. In either case, I am the real deal and am currently a moderator.

Goodnight to you too.

 

[Celtic_Emperor]

Its done then. I tried to open your thread again Ness, but the forum doesn't seem to want to be cooperating with me right now. Just know that I tried to open it.

Damn though, it took what....15 minutes just to do those two things? I hate to bitch and maybe I'm getting cranky from tiredness but something really needs to be done about the page download times here on TickleTheater. Its really getting annoying for me. It was bad enough before, but lately its worse. What only would have taken me a few minutes took nearly a half hour, or near to it. Maybe its the time in which I'm doing this or something, but something needs to be done.

It takes too long, and if someone is waiting for a reply you look like a slacker. Or you miss the chance to enter a convo because when you refresh a page it takes almost as long to load again as it normally did. As a result you have that many more new responses to possibly reply to. Its really a lag.

Enough about that though. Goodnight.

 

[nessonite1]

I dont know just how the user groups work but from the admin pages he's listed as a regular member but anyonecan be given powers in certain places. I think.

Well anyway...I know what you mean about needing something to actively DO. I get bored if I'm inactive for too long. Dont think I can help you there.
All I can do is ask (politely) that you find a more productive release for your energy! You'll go nuts trying to find things to moderate here as there just isnt anything! Its like being the sheriff in Mayberry.

You're right...we're very laid back. You'll get used to it...just take a tranquelizer or two. 😀

 

[naveltkltr1350]

I dont know just how the user groups work but from the admin pages he's listed as a regular member but anyonecan be given powers in certain places. I think.

Well anyway...I know what you mean about needing something to actively DO. I get bored if I'm inactive for too long. Dont think I can help you there.
All I can do is ask (politely) that you find a more productive release for your energy! You'll go nuts trying to find things to moderate here as there just isnt anything! Its like being the sheriff in Mayberry.

You're right...we're very laid back. You'll get used to it...just take a tranquelizer or two. 😀

hey celtic..sorry for giving ya such a hassle..and nessie we are a laid back community..so Celtic..ill offer you one of my codienes..it kills my pain here and relaxes me..and its better than a tranq shot!..good luck with this art mod