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Global survey reveals discontent with U.S.

oh mr spies, now you've steped in it.

coke, and pepsi do their production and bottling here in america, and then export the product! so no they don't polute chile, or the congo, or any where else. sheesh, go back to your little red book, and see if you can find some more lies for us to de-bunk.
steve
 
august spies makes a lot of sense. I think he should run for president. Keep up the good work, friend.
 
ill repeat

but the main issue there was working conditions and wages

anyone if you think that i can come into your house, bring the mafia, hold you at gun point, and take your stuff than i say "its not my problem" if you think thats fine, then i guess we have to agree to disagree.


why dont you adress the issue istead of make stupid remarks that only weaken what you call an argument
 
Well being of Italian heritage I suppose I should take insult at the Mafia remark but what the hell even I watch the Sopranos. The point I was trying to make is I wish those countries with primary resources would start to develop them further as would probably most companies. The "big bag of money" ideal that there is only a limited amount of money to make is I think not true. If the standard of living of people is improved then everyone benefits. The source of this economic problem lies with the goverments of those countries which keep them from turning primary resources into more valuable products. They are then forced to sell what resources they have to put food on the table. It is the goverments of those countries that are the "Mafia" you speak of, not the companies. For it is the goverments that are preventing the country from developing as a whole.
 
Kurch, maybe August was aiming that at Areenactor, not you. Hes much more fun to insult.
 
Perhaps you are right Ice. I have edited out the last part of the message to give august the benefit of the doubt. Thanks for pointing out that possibility. Sometimes it is hard to tell who messages are directed at.
 
kurch of course the governments are a problem, they are the violent wing of the system. i have been fighting them on all fronts, and also trying to bring past ones to justice for the crimes against humanity they have committed. but the fact is those governments wouldnt have been able to support themselves if it werent for us corporate influence, they were created, supported, and worked in tandum with corporate and other land owning elites. you dont just blame the hitmen, both need to be brought to justice and the real evil lies in the system.

ps im of italian heritage too, but the mafia example is quite accurate, it actually may be insulting to compare the maifia to the dictatorship of somone like pinochet though, to him they look like boy scouts.
 
sorry mr. spies

your mafia analogy is moronic, and totally off base.
speaking of morons, hi ice😛
steve
 
Oh no Areenactor insulted me. Ive been dissed by a clone of Archie Bunker. 🙂
 
ShiningIce said:
Oh no Areenactor insulted me. Ive been dissed by a clone of Archie Bunker. 🙂

lol. played to the hilt by carol o'conner, one of the biggest liberals in hollywood!
but, he was rich too, so thanks ice.😉
steve
 
Well I will agree that some of these goverments do make the Mafia look like boy scouts. The old communist Romanian goverment particularly comes to mind.
 
I appreciate your point Steve, but don't 100% agree. If you assosciate colonial power with uniformed troops being sttioned AND controlling all the goings and comings, then no, you're not one. However, America controls huge tracts of the world through sheer economics. Overt dictatorship always has a finite life because it can be seen and touched, but economic and covert control can't be. And America aren't the only guilty party by any means. The UK is the next biggest one. It might be an interesting point to make that a certain Elizabeth Windsor owns massive tracts of land in all 50 states, including some of the biggest oil fields in Alaska, and some in Texas. They're all owned through subsiduaries though, so it isn't immiediatley apparent. Covert, not overt.
 
how is the maifia reference of base, just dont say it is, explain why.

other than the amount of violence created, which is obviously much greater on the side of the government
 
Re: jim i see, and understand your point.

areenactor said:
but i think you missed my point. what i was saying is that the countries that were mentioned in the servay are countries that are jealous of the usa.

I think that is a wrong assumption. Maybe Mexicans and other citizens of piss-poor countries are jealous of America's 'wealth and power'...but not European countries. We are happy with our own countries. We have less violent crime and less poverty than the USA.
 
august spies said:
kurch of course the governments are a problem, they are the violent wing of the system. i have been fighting them on all fronts, and also trying to bring past ones to justice for the crimes against humanity they have committed.B]


Well, if it isn't King Mob himself, Hero of the Anarchist Revolution...:bowing: :jester:

The words of Grant Morrison come to mind:

"Always the same old story, isn't it? The rebels are all very clever when it comes to criticizing the social order, but they're not so quick to suggest any alternatives. Do you have any useful ideas on how we might improve this society you seem to hate so much?...

You think you're fighting for "freedom." From what? From whom? Your chains are imaginary. The mass of the people *are* free; free to live and work and die. How dare you presume to "liberate" them from their comfortable lives? How you must loathe yourself; so eager to struggle against anything but your own inadequacy.
The truth is, you long to be like us but because you cannot fit into
society, you dream of overthrowing it. What is this infantile urge to
destroy that which others have labored to build?"
 
Oddly enough MK, some of that is quite true. Everyone is free potentially, but millions have let themselves be deluded into their own chains. This is true to a certain extent for people in every country, in every age of the world. Those peoples who aren't free, aren't free because they gave their minds, sould, freedom etc away. They gave up responsibility for their own destiny.

What would we replace it with? Hmmmmm......... Good question. The wrld would be a much better place if ALL it's citizens adhered to three basic rules.

1/ Never be afraid to be yourself, and be true to what you want to be.

2/ Never ridicule anyone else for expressing their right to rule #1.

3/ Never use force or coercion to try to change someone else's point of view.

Number 3 in particular is rife throughout the "free" world and America in particular. One big problem is that people see violence as a good way to combat violence, whilst at the same time claiming to be Christian.(Yay, we've got twice the violence here guys! What a result, we're really moving on here!) I guess some Christians have selective memories about the whole "turn the other cheek" thing. If everyone in America (or indeed the world, let's not bash any one country here) who claimed they were Christian acted like Christ, then the world would be a lot better place.

If every "common man" suddenly started living by the 3 rules mentioned above, then every house of covert control would collapse like a house of cards. Yes, they may be doing some evil things, but only because "we" let them!
 
I think when someones point of view is to bring about your total destruction then force and coercion come in very handy.
 
big jim, sorry i have to do this

i liked your last post in this thread, but i have to take exception to one part.
if we started to all act like christ, we'd find ourselves with a sword to our throats and the option of death, or conversion or mohamadism.doesn't sound workable to me!
if we were to act like the good christians of old, we'd have gone to the middle east and taken over already in the name of god, and then started to torture people for not believing the same as we do.
i think i'll pass on christianity, and being christ like. i like the old stand by of "an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth".
cause with some people that's the onlyest thing they understand!
merry christmas jim, my friend. you be a great neighbor, and i am proud to think of you as a friend.
steve
 
Never feel sorry for having to disagree with me Steve, you'd be either a hypocrite or brain dead if you never did. After all, I've disagreed with you in the past havn't I? However, when I said everyone should act like Christ, I didn't mean it in entirely the same context you took it. I meant EVERONE. Perhaps I should have said muslims should act like Mohammed, Hindus should act like whichever one of their pantheon is most benevolent, etc. Imagine if the people of every country and culture woke up one morning and suddenly realised whjat fucking idiots their leaders had made of them. All of a sudden they'd be meeting in the middle, talking and realising that the other lot weren't the bunch of marauding demons their bosses had made them out to be. All of the bosses would be wailing, gnashing their teeth and leaping up and down, ordering their blokes to start killing again and they guys on the ground would just look round and say, "no. Fuck you pal, I'm getting on well with this bloke and his familly for the first time in decades." All of a buggering sudden all the arseholes who'd made such pain for people would find themselves without any power.


I disagree with August's thoughts about capitalism possibly falling. I neither see that, or relish the prospect. Capitalism at it's base has a big thing going for it. In principle, someone living in a capitalist society, can achieve what they want to, by hard work. Communism however, splats the people together in a big, grey, indistinguishable mess, where no individuality is valued. Ugh!

The biggest problem of all, is that the mass perception of both these things are not what either was supposed to be like. Communism in it's basic form was supposed to be something like what JC himself preached. I know that will piss off a lot of christians here, but the shit that happened in Russia was not what people like Stakhanov bled themselves dry to achieve. It was a hi-jacked pile of shit and it was a good day when that Berlin Wall came down. The idea of capitalism in it's "you get out of the society-what you put back into it" has been diluted and masked. People have used both regimes to further their own ends and line their own bastard pockets! :sowrong:
 
Incidentally Steve, merry Christmas to you and yours as well. And congratulations on getting your Red Feather! 🙂
 
Merry Christams to you BigJim. I always love talking to you even when we don't agree. However I do agree with your thoughts on capitalism. As for communism, at its heart it was trying to be like Robin Hood and redistibute the wealth so everyone would have a good amount of money. It sounds noble enough the problem arises though when a brain surgeon is getting paid the same as the guy who cleans the tables at McDonalds then why not just clean tables its a lot easier and the pay is the same. I heard a story from a russian friend and he told me the cabs in the USSR went about 10 mph. I asked "why so slow?". He said "There is no reason to go faster. You get paid the same if you pick up ten people or two". So I guess communism is trying to be noble but in practice it just never works.
 
ah the C word. i would love to take you guys on in a debate regarding capitalism, but i suggest starting a new thread. we can have kurch as a rightist, jim as a centrist, me as the leftist?
 
august spies said:
ah the C word. i would love to take you guys on in a debate regarding capitalism, but i suggest starting a new thread. we can have kurch as a rightist, jim as a centrist, me as the leftist?

trust me, the peanut gallery will be loud on that debate!
actually, i'd also like to see strel on the right side.
steve
 
I am really confused august thinks of me as rightist, q thinks I am a moderate, some poeple at work have even called me liberal for wanting to legalize drugs and prostitution. I think I am having an identity crisis. No wonder kurchatovium is such an unstable element.🙂
 
Watch out, the pastor sticks his foot into politics

This has been an interesting thread to just follow for awhile.

First, let me say that I am surprised at the people who don't seem to know about the history of US companies and the US government influencing and and controling politics in the third world. Kids in our middle school are learning about that kind of history in Central America.

My big question is for august spies. You said here that the problem is that big companies want to make money and that is the problem. My question is: What is the solution?

I cannot imagine a company that does not want to make money. I cannot imagine anyone using all their time and energy to start a company and never want it to make money. I cannot even imagine anyone wanting to work for a company that never wants to make money. So what is the solution? Should we just close up all businesses and governments and just send everyone home?
 
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