How I know that most m/m tickle lovers are STRAIGHT

[venray]

I dont think Cos took anything from your rearend D....ROFL..


Seem to me I know a LOTof females who tickle other females and are far from gay....so is it not possible that there could be males that tickle other males without being gay?

Think carefully before you answer.........


Ray

 

[Iggy pop]

I have seen straight guys tickle each other, but I have to admit it is rare. As I have said before tickling is sexual, and as hetro male I have no desire to tickle other males.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

just because you state your opinion as fact doesn't make it so. Myriads is so much better at explaining this one then me.

And yfg, you state that two men are gay because they tickle each other. By that deffinition a hell of a lot of married men here who have wives that engage in f/f tickling are lesbians. It is a flawed arguement at best.

 

[Newcastle Uni]

Guys can tickle guys and not be gay. Guys can enjoy tickling guys and not be gay. I enjoy talking with guys - am i gay? I enjoy playing sports with guys - am i gay? I enjoy telling a joke and making a guy laugh - am i gay? For a lot of people tickling isn't sexual - or whilst it can be sexual in the right context, is mostly not sexual. A guy can tickle a guy and even enjoy tickling a guy and not be gay. But i think that guy would be in the minority.

wow - lots of guy's and gay's in this post

 

[WorkInProgress]

I just want to say, the whole point of this board should be for people of different proclivities to learn from listening to each other. To restate my own idea of a golden rule for this community, as long as we are talking about actions that take place between consenting adults, or fantasies about actions that would take place between consenting adults, nobody's lifestyle should be considered inferior to anyone else's. I say this because, in a few of the posts above, I wasn't sure whether or not I detected implications of homophobia, so I want to express this as a general principle rather than pointing any fingers. And, of course, I'm just a lone guy with an opinion, so do with it what you will.

Related to that, I think people can best speak for themselves about what their sexual orientation is. I've just gone on record as saying I'd tickle a guy. Does that make me gay? I happen to think that the best person to ask that question to is myself. Why do any of us need to be second-guessed?

I'm jumping into this fray against my better judgment, somewhat nudged by the fact that I think it was my earlier thread that inspired this one to come about.

 

[unclebill]

and what facts do you base this on please?

There is no way to present facts to argue the point. But in todays society men tickling other men is considered gay. F/F tickling is accepted because women have been doing it since childhood, and it continues through adolesence and into adulthood. They like to tickle each other instead of kicking the crap out of one another like men and boys do.

 

[venray]

There is no way to present facts to argue the point. But in todays society men tickling other men is considered gay. F/F tickling is accepted because women have been doing it since childhood, and it continues through adolesence and into adulthood. They like to tickle each other instead of kicking the crap out of one another like men and boys do.

It is considered gay by some Bill not by society at large. Most of society at large dont even consider tickling either sexual or a fetish, so to say that "society " considers this to be gay is off the mark a bit...

 

[Newcastle Uni]

1) Whenever I've seen a man tickling a man or a boy tickling a boy i have never once even subconsciously thought of these people as being gay. Male-male tickling is just not something i regard as being gay.

2) It is effiminate I grant you, but not gay. It is very very effiminate actually, but not gay.

And anyway, so what if its gay! Does homosexuality bother you sugarcake?

 

[Cosmo_ac]

whats considered gay is whatever a person thinks makes another gay. To some people, being clean shavin and having long hair makes a person gay. Some people consider a man hugging another as gay. If you don't like m/m tickling thats fine. if you feel that you find it too sexual, or just have no real interest in it thats fine to. But to accuse another person of being gay because of something YOU find uncomfortable is going to far.

 

[kcantankerous]

lol

HAHAHA, you guys are funny. Everyone knows my stance on this stuff I dont want to fight on this stuff again lol.

 

[ticklesmurph]

y'all sooo crazy!!

i tell ya what!!! a goose on the ribs is better than getting punched in the mouth!

 

[cocegar]

If tickling is something sexual as it is for me,you are not heterosexual if you have this kind of fantasies.The better way of dealing with the situation is to assume you are gay.

 

[toyou444]

Gee...I see male male tickling fairly often. I'm a straight, married, father of two, male.

(Looks down pants) Yep, definitly male.

Tickling doesn't have to be sexual for me, so that makes me the oddball but I have no problem poking my buddy in the ribs to watch him jump!

Still, its not for everybody. Then again...what is?

~ toyou

 

[Cosmo_ac]

If tickling is something sexual as it is for me,you are not heterosexual if you have this kind of fantasies.The better way of dealing with the situation is to assume you are gay.

the better way in dealing with this situation is to realize that other people who enjoy tickling enjoy it in a variety of ways and variety of reasons. If you find yourself tickling another guy some day and start to question your own sexuality, thats fine. However, don't start questioning and accusing others because of your personal stigma's.

 

[GoForTheLaugh]

I am very impressed by the variety of feedback on this thread. (In case you don't recognize my name, I am the one who started it.)

(WorkInProgress: You are close. Good call! I am indeed an academic, but my field is not even close to anthropology. I do, however, have a layman's interest in this discipline.)

I have already stated my opinion on the subject of M/M tickling, and I don't want to belabor the point.

I will make just a few observations, however.

1). All opinions are valid. If people disagree with me, that is fine. I am here to learn, not preach.

2). The guys who stated that they would never want to engage in M/M tickling because it is too weird or whatever for them have every right to feel that way. Remember that there are also people who never want to engage in any kind of tickling. (One of my friends thinks tickling is so horrible that he does not even want to do it with his wife. Their loss, in my opinion, but they have to do what is right for them.)

3). As I have stated, I have a large group of straight male friends, and they all know that I am gay. Their comfort level with my orientation has a wide range, and I am sensitive to that. (It's the reason I want to go out of my way to accept people as they are on this board and on my regular [political/philosophical] board; we can agree to disagree and still get along.)

What do I mean by different comfort levels? With one friend, for example, I don't talk about being gay at all. I told him years ago, and we have left it at that. With another, I share details about my intimate life the way he tells me about what he likes to do to his wife. We're both comfortable with that. Most straight folks I know are somewhere between these two folks.

4). I think straight M/M tickling is more group oriented than one-on-one--but I could be wrong. I guess the rationale is... If other straight guys are doing it, too, it is O.K.

5). I agree that most 15 and 16 year olds would rather die than be thought of as gay (as someone wrote). I can only tell you what I experienced when I was that age--and what I saw when I was in my early 20s and my friend's 16-year-old cousin from Italy was visiting. Apparently, Italian cousins act like older brothers.

I have no doubt that many straight teens would never engage in M/M tickling since they think it gay. In the minds of straight teens who do engage, however, it is not a gay activity. If they associated it with being gay, I doubt they would do it.

6). Realize, please, that I am writing largely about straight people of Mediterranean descent living in New York City. Someone writing in--I don't know--Little Rock or Birmingham may have experienced life through a male culture with different norms.

 

[WorkInProgress]

Hmmmmm...straight people of Mediterranean descent living in New York...like Italians? I will say this: I have seen straight Italian men engage in the same kind of physical contact associated with women of most other cultural origins, like kissing and snuggling up, and my interpretation is usually that they want to show that they're so secure in their ultra-masculinity that they don't even have to worry about looking gay. And straight men of most of the American population do have that hang-up. Remember the clip in the opening of "Happy Days," when Richie and Potsie are at the movies with two girls, in the order or Richie, girl, girl, Potsie, and Richie and Potsie's hands meet and start stroking until they realize that it's each other they're touching like that and so they pull their arms back in near-horror?

GoForTheLaugh: PM coming up.

 

[Deleted member 2452]

have to come out of lurker status for this!

no way, no how! guys that are into m/m tickling are homosexual, period.
they may not be out of the closet yet, but they are. saying other wise is an act of denile.
maybe things have changed at the schools where you are, but where i grew up, and where my kids are going to school, if a guy tickles another guy, they are concidered to be homosexual , and will get their butts kick right then and there, or after school.
steve

 

[toyou444]

no way, no how! guys that are into m/m tickling are homosexual, period.
they may not be out of the closet yet, but they are. saying other wise is an act of denile.
maybe things have changed at the schools where you are, but where i grew up, and where my kids are going to school, if a guy tickles another guy, they are concidered to be homosexual , and will get their butts kick right then and there, or after school.
steve

Steve, my man, that's your opinion. You're entitled but the world is not always so black and white. I guess the question is what does "into it" mean? I like some m/m stuff, but I am certainly not gay. So that would cause your statement to be wrong. We go back more than a few years so I hope you know its not personal, I just happen to disagree with such a broad statement.

~ toyou

 

[Deleted member 2452]

to clarify my earlier post to this thread

guys who's prefered tickling is m/m, is what i would call being "into it".
there for; guys who'd prefered tickling preference is m/m are homosexual.
if a guy get turned on by seeing another guy tickled by other males, he's homosexual.
for the record, for those that don't know me, i feel the same about f/f tickling. just another form of homosexuality. a psychologist once told me that men who are turned on by f/f sexual activity, are more likely to be willing to try homosexuality them selves.
sounds about right.
steve

 

[Cosmo_ac]

steve, your posts are nothing short of homophobic and an insult to a hell of a lot of people here. Basically, your accusing every person here who has ejoyed same sex tickling or enjoyed watching same sex tickling of being homosexual. Do you know how many happl\ily married people your accusing of being homosexual right now? How many people in general? Your logic is simply beyond reasoning.

 

[maniactickler]

I dont necessarily think if a man tickles another man, hes a full fledged homo. but i think it makes him very borderline and might swing both ways. M/M tickling is very fruity to me. but hey, to each his own.

 

[dtrell]

guys who's prefered tickling is m/m, is what i would call being "into it".
there for; guys who'd prefered tickling preference is m/m are homosexual.
if a guy get turned on by seeing another guy tickled by other males, he's homosexual.
for the record, for those that don't know me, i feel the same about f/f tickling. just another form of homosexuality. a psychologist once told me that men who are turned on by f/f sexual activity, are more likely to be willing to try homosexuality them selves.
sounds about right.
steve

steve, good to see you back posting. as usual you make plenty of sense.

and leave the italians OUT of this discussion...

 

[StephanieLocke]

I'm with Ven Ray here...

"Seem to me I know a LOT of females who tickle other females and are far from gay....so is it not possible that there could be males that tickle other males without being gay?"

As a bi-sexual woman who enjoys variety, I've always tickled both genders. As a professional dominatrix...it's never been about the sex...it's always been about the laughing. I can honestly say that the lees I've seen are so shy, I've rarely seen one naked or even aroused to where it was visible. That said, it's quite arousing to tickle a ticklish woman, naked or not...and very easy to see where you might consider it sexual.

I think two men might take a quick pook in a friend's ribs, just as easily as you might slap one on the back.

Tickling can be camaderie as well as sex and this has been an excellent topic!


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[KoocheeKoo]

a psychologist once told me that men who are turned on by f/f sexual activity, are more likely to be willing to try homosexuality them selves.
sounds about right.
steve

Sorry friend, but I vehemently disagree with that statement...

I'm as straight as they come. I've enjoyed tickling pretty girls since age 11....have never tickled a guy; have no desire to tickle a guy.

Saying that, seeing two pretty girls tickling the daylights out of each other turns me on.....and has turned me on since I was a teenager watching my younger sis's female friends having ticklefights on our den carpet during slumber parties.

Don't get me wrong....it also turns me on to see a guy tickling a girl (especially if I'm the guy doing the tickling); but when I watch a tickling video (or witness tickling in public).....I honestly prefer f/f over m/f. The way this laid back Georgia gentleman sees it.....when it's f/f tickling, I get turned on no matter who is getting tickled (because I could care less about seeing a guy tickled by a girl).

There's also something very erotic to me about seeing a bound ticklish young woman's soles being stroked without mercy by the long painted fingernails of another young woman.....grrrr!!!

FYI: my sister's brother in law and father in law are both psychiatrists in Oregon. I'm dying to ask their opinion of women tickling each other.....and if enjoying it makes me gay 😀

 

[none]

I have read with fascination the thread "Same sex tickling if you're not gay? Opposite-sex tickling if you are?": http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=54995

In addition, in the three days I have been on this board--my first time ever on a board of this nature--I have seen a surprising amount of anti M/M tickling flames.

Before coming here, I had never once question that guys who liked M/M tickling and identified as straight were indeed straight. I will explain why in this thread--and I hope it will create dialogue in which people speak honestly (whether or not they agree with me or anyone else). Honesty will lead to a less inhibitive atmosphere here. And, really, if we're talking about tickling, how the hell can we be inhibted...?!!

Who am I? I have been open about being gay in other threads, but I speak here as someone who has more straight male friends than gay ones. After all, when we are playing poker or seeing a movie or taking a long walk, neither my sex life nor theirs matters. I have not tickled a straight guy since I was a teenager--and now I am in my late 30s. Nevertheless, the idea of a straight M/M tickle community makes sense to me.

Here's my rationale...

First, straight guys naturally engage in male bonding that includes vacations in the woods away from their wives, bachelor parties, sports events, roughouse play, and, to my chagrin (and if you will forgive me for being a tad stereotypical) a lot of loud belching and farting. All of this makes them remember their younger days (frat house antics, team sports, willing young women who wanted their young bodies, fart jokes...) and is psychologically healthy.

As teens, many males engage in tickle activities. It is most common in junior high school, but there are straight guys--including some of the ones I grew up with--who continue in high school and college. I chalk it up to rough and tumble play--and I chalk up adult tickle antics to momentarily being young again.

I know that the guys I grew up with are straight because I am still in touch with many of them. I dare any of you to call them gay; they'd let you have it!

It is also important to remember that male heterosexuals almost everywhere except in Northern Europe, Japan, and the English-speaking world will often put their arms around each other's shoulders, lean against each other for extended periods, and generally be very (non-sexually) physical. I am of Mediterranean descent, and I see it all the time when I go there. Many of the nations where this takes place are quite homophobic (Italy, Greece, Nigeria, Iran, India...); if it were thought for a moment that such men were gay, they would be in serious trouble.

Second, there are two types of tickling: non-sexual and sexual. I have done both, and they fulfill different needs. Non-sexual tickling is a way to bond, release tension and stress, and simply have a good laugh. I find it more fulfilling than sexual tickling--but that is me. Some people only engage in the sexual kind and others only engage in the non-sexual kind. It makes sense to me that guys who only like M/F tickling and always consider it sexual would be threatened by any kind of M/M tickling. It also makes sense to me that both men and women who engage in non-sexual tickling would not be too concerned with sexual orientation. In the end, everyone needs to do whatever he or she likes and, as a community, we should strive to be non-judgmental.

Third, most of the human population is heterosexual. Liberal estimates say that 10% of humanity is gay; conservative estimates say it is actually between 1 and 2%. I suspect that the real number lies between the extremes. Whatever the case, by virtue of sheer numbers, the bulk of men engaging in M/M tickling must be straight. It is too big a phenomenon to be limited to gays.

Having said that...

Those who are weirded out by M/M tickling have the right to be. Whatever doesn't float your boat is fine. Such people need never participate in it and, if we remember to label our thread titles carefully, need not read threads about it.

There are also people who respect others' right to engage in M/M tickling (and be on this board) but would never want to try it or read fiction about it. That is absolutely fine--and more power to you guys and gals!

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Final word: Many people are against gays, but that is a subject for a different thread. I mention it here because I do not want anyone to be the victim of homophobia. Even if you do not want to accept gay people, please do not turn your homophobia against your straight brothers and sisters simply because they like something you don't.

i did not yet read evryones responses cause its like, 4 pages, BUT
i do have to say, i dont know ANY straight men who let other men touch them in ANY way thats close to tickling... ever.
i will say, in my experiances, being a straight woman and even fantasising about m/m tickling has always gotten me more then any other type...