If You Support Gay Marriage, Then What About Polygamy and Incest?

[upper Tk]

I'd say No to all except male female marriage. Civil unions no problem. I don't debate it as it's not a trick question. It's yes or no. thanks

 

[QueenBeeBeeMari]

I want to know why all those who oppose,oppose so strongly?

 

[JackVanderson]

I don't see a thing wrong with gay marriage. If two people of the same gender love eachother then let them get married.

Polygamy is iffy but if someone is WILLINGLY wanting to be in a polygamist relationship then I don't see a problem with it. I DO see a problem when the person who has the multiple partners lies to them and doesn't let them know that it's a polygamist relationship.

As for incest,
I completely agree that if they wanna do that then they should be snipped or tied so that then cannot bear children. The gene's just wind up f'd up and the kid pays the price.

And honeslty, the only reason why I think Incest and Polygamy get roped into the gay marriage topic is to try to discredit gay marriage, because polygamy is looked upon as being wrong and incest is viewed as being even more wrong.
(Did I word this right?)

 

[QueenBeeBeeMari]

yes you did and you have a point about incest because we can't have deformed kids being made on purpose.

 

[JackVanderson]

yes you did and you have a point about incest because we can't have deformed kids being made on purpose.

Oh thank you soo much.
I was worried I may have worded it wrong.

 

[QueenBeeBeeMari]

no problem.You are doing just fine

 

[upper Tk]

Re:

I want to know why all those who oppose,oppose so strongly?

Don't insinuate that those that say "No" to gay marriage are strongly against it. It's like abortion, your for it or against it. These are not trick questions. Someone asks, answer them with a yes or a no. I say No. Some say yes. And there it is. 😉 Todays age is not the time for PC crap. Or we'll continue to get run over and anti male and this and that. sorry diff't topic.. somewhere i'm sure. lol

 

[JackVanderson]

I want to know why all those who oppose,oppose so strongly?

I think I may have an idea for some of them atleast.
It's simply passed down from the elders in the family, it's not that they actually TRIED to understand, they just went with what they were told, which is still no excuse.
Now that isn't ALL of them but I'd put $20 that there are those that oppose gay marriage that this applies too.

 

[QueenBeeBeeMari]

I imagine that,yes there are some like that.I can't just take my parent's word on anything though I like to get to the bottom of things and find the truthful,right answer and that's the opinion I go with

 

[Cbarton]

QueenBeeBeeMari

I want to know why all those who oppose,oppose so strongly?

I'll try to be brief, since I have been involved with this debate before on this site, and those who think differently than me know my consistent viewpoint and opinion, so I will spare the rest of you the full 'agony'...LOL. If you want a more in-depth version of the debate from this side, PM me. Last thing I want to do is create a flame war in the thread.

OK, Mari, you asked for it...:ayyy:

Mari, as a Christian, I believe the Holy Bible is the inspired word of God. Not the ideas of sinful man, not the viewpoints of some repressive religious 'bigots' (as I've been called by others to my face), but the words God spoke to man as the authority on how we are to live. We look upon it as an owner's manual, so to speak. He created us, so He's the expert on how we were made and how we work.

As it says in Genesis, God created everything. The last of his creations was his best (great artists always save the best for last...😉 ), the woman. Genesis 2:24 says "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh" (New International Version). He created man and woman to be different, to work together, to become as one. As the old joke in church goes, "He created them Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve..." We feel that God ordained marriage as the union of a man and a woman. Anything else flies in the face of how He created it, reflecting the rebellion of humanity into sin by thinking that they know better than God. We feel it is in direct opposition for what He created marriage to be. That's why I oppose gay marriage. Not out of hate or bigotry, but because of what God's Word says, plain and simple.

HOWEVER, Camel, I agree with you totally that these 3 topics are totally unrelated to each other. They are separate debates and adding them together actually insults the intelligence of either side of those on either side of the debate, IMHO.

As far as incest is concerned, I have literally SEEN the results of what happens when cousins marry. I know someone very well who's grandparents were married cousins, and the physical and mental problems passed down are a lesson in familial genetics. Besides, even here in our section of Kentucky we know not to go to family reunions and funerals to pick up dates...(rimshot).

Polygamy??? You must be joking, right? I've been married for 20 years, and trust me, it's hard enough with one! Mulitple mothers-in-law? Multiple women PMS'ing under the same roof???? Even Paul told Timothy a church leader should be the husband of just one wife. It reminds me of the lyrics of the old Oak Ridge Boys song "Trying to love to woman is like a ball and chain/Sometimes the pleasure ain't worth the strain/It's an up hill grind/and it tires your mind."

That is why some of us oppose it, Mari, in as plain and simple terms as I can quickly state it.

 

[QueenBeeBeeMari]

So it's really just a bunch of Christians who oppose this.If that's the case then I am going to have to go with the fact that this country's law is not dictated by a book that a dead man supposidly wrote and say that it is really your right as an American citizen to choose who you wish to live your life with.I am sorry but in this day and age trying to run this country by the bible won't work.The bible does not give freedom of choice and if we ran the country by it we would be killing disobediant children by stoning them to death and the freedom of choice of religion given to us by the US constition would have to be completely thrown out the window.It simply can't happen.We can't run the USA by any religion at all.It would cause to many fights and choosing the right one would be too difficult.So,I have to go with what I said before because as Americans we are supposed to have that right.If you are Christian and want to personally follow God's word then more power to you and God bless but if you aren't and are gay,bi or whatever then whatever floats your boat as well and good luck to you and may you have smooth sails.

 

[the_jimmy_james]

Dead men. It's their interpretation of the Word. Personally, I wish more people would base their views on their own talks with Jesus and instead of on a publication nearly two thousand years old. The world has changed a lot since then, and the Lord knows this. Just look at how our world changed between when the bush burned and when God sent his Son. With that in mind, look how different the Old and New Testaments are.

Personally, I wish there could be an addition to the holy books of the world based on modern day prophesy and what people believe God is saying to them now. Another New Testament which gives us teachings for the next two thousand years.

 

[NWIBOY]

I still don't support gay marraige, but the only times I've heard about gays getting married in places where it is legal in the US are through courts...never getting married in a church.

Because I think churches in those areas still will not marry gay couples anyway due to it being not part of the religion.

 

[Wade1]

Oh, there are plenty of Christian churches that will perform gay marriages; they perform purely ceremonial gay unions now. I think there are Jewish temples that do it too.

 

[Senshi1]

Slightly irrelevant to the discussion, but today or yesterday a junior minister was the first MP to engage in gay marriage in this country (UK), marrying her partner.

As for the whole religion/gay marriage thing, there's really no way to go about it without offending somebody. If you're for gay marriage, you're flying in the face of God, and if you're against it, you're taking away people's rights as humans.

But I agree with Jimmy James on this one where he says that religion should be based on people's personal relationship with God, rather than a book written by other people which is based on their relationships with him. God isn't a distant celebrity who you learn about through other people's anecdotes and memoirs - he's all around you - talk to him.

As for the Marxist baby-killer comment on abortion, without stating my own personal views on abortion, let's face it - if professionally-performed abortions were illegalized, people would carry them out with coat hangers. Abortion's going nowhere - all you're taking away by criminalizing it is the means to do it safely. Having said that, I'm not going into my personal beliefs on the issue because it's too flammable, and it's for another topic - I don't at all agree with the idea of polygamy, but I still think it should be legal.



EDIT: As one last little aside, Christians seem like the biggest opposition to gay marriage because they're the most influential religion in the western world. If you go almost anywhere, most religions are very much against gay marriage, and some punish even gay behaviour harshly. Personally I'm all for gay marriage, but I'm just saying, it's one issue that most religions seem unanimous in denouncing.

 

[Bashiku]

If love is the factor in any of those three then I don't mind them... If you are in love you are in love, you can't change the way you feel without sacrificing yourself.

 

[melanie2]

^^ don't lump all Christians into one group, simply because we believe in Jesus..i'm a Christian who sees nothing wrong with gay marriage whatsoever..

this country lumps all those who believe in Jesus into one group..and i resent that...their idea of Christians are those who are stiff necked..who throw their faith around...who are holy rollers..ack..who look down on any other religious or non religious group and/or idea..

i have my own faith and beliefs..i never push them on others..

 

[melanie2]

If love is the factor in any of those three then I don't mind them... If you are in love you are in love, you can't change the way you feel without sacrificing yourself.

wowowowo the best answer yet...congrats Bashiku....

 

[Bashiku]

What can I say... I am young but I am of the old school... really old... when was romanticism in its rise... ah yes that old...

 

[Senshi1]

^^ don't lump all Christians into one group, simply because we believe in Jesus..i'm a Christian who sees nothing wrong with gay marriage whatsoever..

this country lumps all those who believe in Jesus into one group..and i resent that...their idea of Christians are those who are stiff necked..who throw their faith around...who are holy rollers..ack..who look down on any other religious or non religious group and/or idea..

i have my own faith and beliefs..i never push them on others..

Sorry - what I meant was Christians who are against it, not all Christians. My own fiancée is a devout Christian but still is for gay marriage, so I don't for a second believe all Christians are against it, but I still should have made that clearer. 😛

 

[melanie2]

^ i know you didn't mean it that way..i was using it as a general uh thingie grr i never can make sense...

and tsk tsk..sticking your tongue out at your elders???? tsk tsk..lol

 

[Bashiku]

She is persistent with elder stuff isn't she?
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[Senshi1]

Hehe just making sure I haven't offended anyone unecessarily. As somebody said in a certain opera,

"Don't you get it? You're never going to agree on everything! And what's so bad about that?"

 

[QueenBeeBeeMari]

I just really don't believe he had a problem with gay marriages.There's also some chapters in the bible that were taken out years ago by the churches back then.So maybe there's something we don't know.One is Judas' story of how Jesus asked Judas to betray him.I saw all of this on National Geographic.Judas may have also become intimate with Jesus but they aren't sure

 

[Bashiku]

All you need is love... all you need is love... all you need is looove...
Love is just a game.
I was made for loving you baby, you were made for loving me...