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Interesting conflict at AMT
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Derrida said:
If a high postcount is any degree of popularity, then I must be doing something very wrong. I have more posts logged than any other TMF member, but I get my posts deleted or censored on an almost semi-regular basis.
I truly don't think that anyone who thinks a high count gives them more authority to speak, can be taken seriously. The rank system means nothing beyond seeing how regular a contributor someone is, and it certainly doesn't carry any sway with the forum staff. I know that from personal experience! The only ranks that carry any sort of status are Moderator and Administrator.
Parental guidance...
Perhaps YOUR schoolchildren use them with impunity, but if either of my sons did so, I'd tan their hides and yank their video game cords so fast their heads would spin. Accepting bad behavior is different from condoning it, just as being 18+ is far different than being a child. I'd worry more about the morals of someone who just "lets it go" from minors than mine, dear.
Derrida said:
Perhaps YOUR schoolchildren use them with impunity, but if either of my sons did so, I'd tan their hides and yank their video game cords so fast their heads would spin. Accepting bad behavior is different from condoning it, just as being 18+ is far different than being a child. I'd worry more about the morals of someone who just "lets it go" from minors than mine, dear.
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Flame Bait?
Drew's post was deleted because it contained "flame bait" ?
What do you (as Mods and members) call the "get a life" and "you have too much time on your hands" posts complete with the "Drew's daily schedule" broken down by dodger?
Advice? Productive living tips?
Yet, these posts remain. This might be an example of some of the points Sunrise raised.
The thread started out as "something happening at AMT" and quickly dissolved into "TMF vs. AMT" then "flaming practices" and "moderation issues".
It seems many TMF members are guilty of the things they complain about at AMT. Look no further than this thread for classic examples of "straying off-topic" and some "hijacking" as well.
It just doesn't seem all that different to me.
* for the record, I am a somewhat frequent poster at AMT and a longtime lurker here. I have posted stories, pics, and engaged in some great discussion on other forums as well.
I failed to get an AMT letterman's jacket this Christmas, but there's always next year.
Drew's post was deleted because it contained "flame bait" ?
What do you (as Mods and members) call the "get a life" and "you have too much time on your hands" posts complete with the "Drew's daily schedule" broken down by dodger?
Advice? Productive living tips?
Yet, these posts remain. This might be an example of some of the points Sunrise raised.
The thread started out as "something happening at AMT" and quickly dissolved into "TMF vs. AMT" then "flaming practices" and "moderation issues".
It seems many TMF members are guilty of the things they complain about at AMT. Look no further than this thread for classic examples of "straying off-topic" and some "hijacking" as well.
It just doesn't seem all that different to me.
* for the record, I am a somewhat frequent poster at AMT and a longtime lurker here. I have posted stories, pics, and engaged in some great discussion on other forums as well.
I failed to get an AMT letterman's jacket this Christmas, but there's always next year.
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What do you (as Mods and members) call the "get a life" and "you have too much time on your hands" posts complete with the "Drew's daily schedule" broken down by dodger?
Advice? Productive living tips?
We call it motivation.
We do our best to get the worst of things. And keep things as non-bad as possible. We never claimed to be perfect, we strive for that, but it's still a goal.
Myriads
Advice? Productive living tips?
We call it motivation.
We do our best to get the worst of things. And keep things as non-bad as possible. We never claimed to be perfect, we strive for that, but it's still a goal.
Myriads
I'm curious. Why do you call it a club? I don't view it that way but I'm curious why you do.
If it's a club then I'm sure glad I joined! I'll take the moderated TMF over AMT any day! I just have way too much fun here. It doesn't matter to me if it's a club, a forum, a newsgroup, or whatever. I just enjoy the interaction and the fact that we don't have to deal with the vile language and nasty comments that took over AMT.
If it's a club then I'm sure glad I joined! I'll take the moderated TMF over AMT any day! I just have way too much fun here. It doesn't matter to me if it's a club, a forum, a newsgroup, or whatever. I just enjoy the interaction and the fact that we don't have to deal with the vile language and nasty comments that took over AMT.
Let's see...
25 entries found for club. The first 10 are listed below.
Main Entry: 1club
Pronunciation: 'kl&b
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English clubbe, from Old Norse klubba; akin to Old High German kolbo club
Date: 13th century
1 a : a heavy usually tapering staff especially of wood wielded as a weapon b : a stick or bat used to hit a ball in any of various games c : something resembling a club
2 a : a playing card marked with a stylized figure of a black clover b plural but singular or plural in construction : the suit comprising cards marked with clubs
3 a : an association of persons for some common object usually jointly supported and meeting periodically; also : a group identified by some common characteristic <nations in the nuclear club> b : the meeting place of a club
I'd say 3a is most apt for our purposes, and I fail to see anything regarding biases and organizers...decidely odd, ehhh?
I'll put up Forum next... Q
25 entries found for club. The first 10 are listed below.
Main Entry: 1club
Pronunciation: 'kl&b
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English clubbe, from Old Norse klubba; akin to Old High German kolbo club
Date: 13th century
1 a : a heavy usually tapering staff especially of wood wielded as a weapon b : a stick or bat used to hit a ball in any of various games c : something resembling a club
2 a : a playing card marked with a stylized figure of a black clover b plural but singular or plural in construction : the suit comprising cards marked with clubs
3 a : an association of persons for some common object usually jointly supported and meeting periodically; also : a group identified by some common characteristic <nations in the nuclear club> b : the meeting place of a club
I'd say 3a is most apt for our purposes, and I fail to see anything regarding biases and organizers...decidely odd, ehhh?
I'll put up Forum next... Q
Forums...
LOT of differing opinions on this one...here's one that describes the primary elements of an active Forum:
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(B) Definition of "Active Forum"
"In an active forum, each datum of that forum has sufficient access to proliferate (eventually) to every player which remains in that forum."
The causality premise above assures us that every result has a cause, but it doesn't assure us that every cause will have a result, much less a determined one. To get this second kind of assurance, we've had to include requirements in our definition of "prediction of resolution” that the subject of the prediction remain an active forum and that the data which are predicted to dominate the forum be favored by its environment.
An “active” forum is defined to include only those players which exchange data. Every player in an active forum must be connected to every other player, directly or indirectly, by a network of data exchanges. Thus, by definition, any set of data in an active forum has sufficient access to proliferate through its network to the location of any other data in that forum, and thereby to synthesize with it.
____________________________________________________________
Interesting, and makes sense. By this definition, we certainly ARE a forum, since information/data is widely exchanged in the environment. I'll look for a few more though...
Here's the dictionary definition:
One entry found for forum.
Main Entry: fo·rum
Pronunciation: 'fOr-&m, 'for-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural forums also fo·ra /-&/
Etymology: Latin; akin to Latin foris outside, fores door -- more at DOOR
Date: 15th century
1 a : the marketplace or public place of an ancient Roman city forming the center of judicial and public business b : a public meeting place for open discussion c : a medium (as a newspaper) of open discussion or expression of ideas
2 : a judicial body or assembly : COURT
3 a : a public meeting or lecture involving audience discussion b : a program (as on radio or television) involving discussion of a problem usually by several authorities
Once again nothing about members or biases or anything of that nature, BUT I see that there SHOULD be some differentiation...no disagreement on that point! We are a MODERATED forum, and I believe YOU are interested in an OPEN forum, which is a more accurate description of AMT, which brings us back to being on topic....lol! Q
LOT of differing opinions on this one...here's one that describes the primary elements of an active Forum:
___________________________________________________________________
(B) Definition of "Active Forum"
"In an active forum, each datum of that forum has sufficient access to proliferate (eventually) to every player which remains in that forum."
The causality premise above assures us that every result has a cause, but it doesn't assure us that every cause will have a result, much less a determined one. To get this second kind of assurance, we've had to include requirements in our definition of "prediction of resolution” that the subject of the prediction remain an active forum and that the data which are predicted to dominate the forum be favored by its environment.
An “active” forum is defined to include only those players which exchange data. Every player in an active forum must be connected to every other player, directly or indirectly, by a network of data exchanges. Thus, by definition, any set of data in an active forum has sufficient access to proliferate through its network to the location of any other data in that forum, and thereby to synthesize with it.
____________________________________________________________
Interesting, and makes sense. By this definition, we certainly ARE a forum, since information/data is widely exchanged in the environment. I'll look for a few more though...
Here's the dictionary definition:
One entry found for forum.
Main Entry: fo·rum
Pronunciation: 'fOr-&m, 'for-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural forums also fo·ra /-&/
Etymology: Latin; akin to Latin foris outside, fores door -- more at DOOR
Date: 15th century
1 a : the marketplace or public place of an ancient Roman city forming the center of judicial and public business b : a public meeting place for open discussion c : a medium (as a newspaper) of open discussion or expression of ideas
2 : a judicial body or assembly : COURT
3 a : a public meeting or lecture involving audience discussion b : a program (as on radio or television) involving discussion of a problem usually by several authorities
Once again nothing about members or biases or anything of that nature, BUT I see that there SHOULD be some differentiation...no disagreement on that point! We are a MODERATED forum, and I believe YOU are interested in an OPEN forum, which is a more accurate description of AMT, which brings us back to being on topic....lol! Q
Thank God for Webster
A dictionary is a substitute for individual thought and experience but a very poor one. However, since you must:
"Every player in an active forum must be connected to every other player, directly or indirectly, by a network of data exchanges."
I looked for the words "deleted by mod." but couldn't find them anywhere. Decidedly odd-eh?
A dictionary is a substitute for individual thought and experience but a very poor one. However, since you must:
"Every player in an active forum must be connected to every other player, directly or indirectly, by a network of data exchanges."
I looked for the words "deleted by mod." but couldn't find them anywhere. Decidedly odd-eh?
Not really...
In a moderated forum it makes sense to have moderation of the exchanges, which is all I was trying to convey, oddly enough. I doubt you'd find anything that specific in a dictionary setup, but stranger things have happened. So, we've come around to the definition of the TMF as an 'active moderated forum' at this point. Q
In a moderated forum it makes sense to have moderation of the exchanges, which is all I was trying to convey, oddly enough. I doubt you'd find anything that specific in a dictionary setup, but stranger things have happened. So, we've come around to the definition of the TMF as an 'active moderated forum' at this point. Q
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Forums as well as clubs usually have some house rules, and some people to watch over them. Clubs usually charge a membership fee or at least an entrance fee, while forums are free for all visitors. The ancient origin of 'forum' (like Forum Romanum) was something like a marketplace where one could buy all sorts of goods, but it served also as a main platform to exchange information between community members and strangers. So IMO, the TMF is more a forum than a club.
Almost all forums I know have moderation to some extent, with different rules, of course. AMT also acts as an information exchange place, but it's more like talking to each other on the streets, with less rules than clubs or more organized forums. With which I don't intend to diminish the work of Bob Hare (or the AMT) at all. It's just a different kind of place.
Oh BTW 1golfer: According to your definition, a forum champions the biases of all members... You seem to be one of those people whom the difference between regulating opinions and regulating rules of opinion exchange has still eluded.
Almost all forums I know have moderation to some extent, with different rules, of course. AMT also acts as an information exchange place, but it's more like talking to each other on the streets, with less rules than clubs or more organized forums. With which I don't intend to diminish the work of Bob Hare (or the AMT) at all. It's just a different kind of place.
Oh BTW 1golfer: According to your definition, a forum champions the biases of all members... You seem to be one of those people whom the difference between regulating opinions and regulating rules of opinion exchange has still eluded.
whoops!!!
"According to your definition, a forum champions the biases of all members... "
Read the post Half...criticism works better when the facts are straight.
BTW...
"the difference between regulating opinions and regulating rules of opinion exchange"
With your permission, I'd like to save this one. It's so absurd, it's precious.
"According to your definition, a forum champions the biases of all members... "
Read the post Half...criticism works better when the facts are straight.
BTW...
"the difference between regulating opinions and regulating rules of opinion exchange"
With your permission, I'd like to save this one. It's so absurd, it's precious.
I absolutely HATE it when I have to rewrite a post! lol
ANYWAY...here I go again and let's hope it takes.
It seems that the anti-mod crowd here forgets one simple word. PRIVATE! The TMF is not a public forum. It is a privately owned site. It's provided by someone who pays out of pocket without asking for anything in return but your courtesy to other members. And STILL....there are people who are unable to provide that. Until the day comes that you're charged a user/membership fee, you may wish to keep that in mind! Somewhere around age 4, children learn that when you receive a gift (something given to you for free) that you say thank you. If a child behaved in the manner that many of the anti-mid crowd does, it would be put in a very long "time-out" and the toy would be taken away! Here, that is the 86 you get. You are booted from the forum, or your post(s) is(are) deleted.
Now, as far as clubs and forums.
I view the TMF as a forum that houses within its walls, a variety of clubs. Each subsection of the TMF has regular "visitors." MANY of whom do not frequent other areas. THESE are what I view as the clubs.
The chatroom?
The TMF did not invent the concept of a chatroom, however it provides a free one to its users. It will not charge you a fee then dismantle your chat area! (For those who recall the old AOL room) Most of the chatters do not use other forum areas. Their club is that room.
The discussion forums?
Many folks work/live with "events challenged" people. The discussion forums allow you to chat it up with people with whom you already have something in common. There is no ground work needed. There is no song and dance routine to prove yourself worthy of conversation. "I'm a great guy, you're a cool chick, let's swing babeeee...lalalala" You're accepted and your opinion is given some level of validity even if it's only by perhaps one other person. *I* may think you're nuts for what you say, but I can rest at ease knowing that one of your fellow goofballs will come to back you! 😛 THIS is a club!
The gatherings section?
Those of us who host gatherings, be they large or small, do it for a twofold reason. One - our own greedy desire to meet people like ourselves! 😉 Two - the joy of seeing other people who may NEVER otherwise meet another "ticklefreak" finally get together and realize that they are not that far from the center of the spectrum! It's fun stuff. Some might do it using another technique, but meeting likeminded folks (in person or net time) is why most sites exists. As MOST of the 6000 members here don't attend gatherings, this is also a club.
See where I'm going here? There is nothing wrong with the whole "club idea."
Now, if someone could answer something for me???
Since what is moderated here at the TMF are flat out insults, childish behavior, and flame bait....ummmm😕 what exactly do you feel the need to say that you can't? I've posted a few things in an irritated fit, and they have been deleted. HOWEVER, I posted them knowing that they would likely be taken off board and/or reworded! Hell, I've even reported myself.....giggle! Do you lack the ability to reword? Can you not communicate wihtout bashing someone? It would seem that your opinion and thoughts would not only be heard, but welcomed as well if you just followed a few simple rules. I mean...frankly, if you're so repulsed by it, yet you hang around...then you're lazy or greedy. Or is it something else? Do you have a free forum out there that I can visit? Will I be treated politely? Do you have a chatroom where we can talk? Am I missing something here other than the obvious??? Could someone tell me what the TMF excludes that would be a positive addition to this place?? I just don't get that whole idea. *Help?*
TMF = it's FREE! What have you contributed today?
Joby
ANYWAY...here I go again and let's hope it takes.
It seems that the anti-mod crowd here forgets one simple word. PRIVATE! The TMF is not a public forum. It is a privately owned site. It's provided by someone who pays out of pocket without asking for anything in return but your courtesy to other members. And STILL....there are people who are unable to provide that. Until the day comes that you're charged a user/membership fee, you may wish to keep that in mind! Somewhere around age 4, children learn that when you receive a gift (something given to you for free) that you say thank you. If a child behaved in the manner that many of the anti-mid crowd does, it would be put in a very long "time-out" and the toy would be taken away! Here, that is the 86 you get. You are booted from the forum, or your post(s) is(are) deleted.
Now, as far as clubs and forums.
I view the TMF as a forum that houses within its walls, a variety of clubs. Each subsection of the TMF has regular "visitors." MANY of whom do not frequent other areas. THESE are what I view as the clubs.
The chatroom?
The TMF did not invent the concept of a chatroom, however it provides a free one to its users. It will not charge you a fee then dismantle your chat area! (For those who recall the old AOL room) Most of the chatters do not use other forum areas. Their club is that room.
The discussion forums?
Many folks work/live with "events challenged" people. The discussion forums allow you to chat it up with people with whom you already have something in common. There is no ground work needed. There is no song and dance routine to prove yourself worthy of conversation. "I'm a great guy, you're a cool chick, let's swing babeeee...lalalala" You're accepted and your opinion is given some level of validity even if it's only by perhaps one other person. *I* may think you're nuts for what you say, but I can rest at ease knowing that one of your fellow goofballs will come to back you! 😛 THIS is a club!
The gatherings section?
Those of us who host gatherings, be they large or small, do it for a twofold reason. One - our own greedy desire to meet people like ourselves! 😉 Two - the joy of seeing other people who may NEVER otherwise meet another "ticklefreak" finally get together and realize that they are not that far from the center of the spectrum! It's fun stuff. Some might do it using another technique, but meeting likeminded folks (in person or net time) is why most sites exists. As MOST of the 6000 members here don't attend gatherings, this is also a club.
See where I'm going here? There is nothing wrong with the whole "club idea."
Now, if someone could answer something for me???
Since what is moderated here at the TMF are flat out insults, childish behavior, and flame bait....ummmm😕 what exactly do you feel the need to say that you can't? I've posted a few things in an irritated fit, and they have been deleted. HOWEVER, I posted them knowing that they would likely be taken off board and/or reworded! Hell, I've even reported myself.....giggle! Do you lack the ability to reword? Can you not communicate wihtout bashing someone? It would seem that your opinion and thoughts would not only be heard, but welcomed as well if you just followed a few simple rules. I mean...frankly, if you're so repulsed by it, yet you hang around...then you're lazy or greedy. Or is it something else? Do you have a free forum out there that I can visit? Will I be treated politely? Do you have a chatroom where we can talk? Am I missing something here other than the obvious??? Could someone tell me what the TMF excludes that would be a positive addition to this place?? I just don't get that whole idea. *Help?*
TMF = it's FREE! What have you contributed today?
Joby
Joby
Nice addition and well done. Sorry I missed it the first time you posted. Anyway, I'll try to answer your questions:
1. Can't answer this one, since your supposition prior to the question is not accurate.
2. No
3. sometimes
4. No
5. AMT
6. Don't know
7. I don't think so
8. probably
9. Freedom of expression
10. Ideas
Nice addition and well done. Sorry I missed it the first time you posted. Anyway, I'll try to answer your questions:
1. Can't answer this one, since your supposition prior to the question is not accurate.
2. No
3. sometimes
4. No
5. AMT
6. Don't know
7. I don't think so
8. probably
9. Freedom of expression
10. Ideas
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Joby, don't lower yourself to ________
First of all, I for one think that everything Joby said in here post was right on! Do you people even read what is posted? I doubt it!
You are showing your ingorance!
Joby wrote:
Since what is moderated here at the TMF are flat out insults, childish behavior, and flame bait....ummmm what exactly do you feel the need to say that you can't? I've posted a few things in an irritated fit, and they have been deleted. HOWEVER, I posted them knowing that they would likely be taken off board and/or reworded! Hell, I've even reported myself.....giggle! Do you lack the ability to reword? Can you not communicate wihtout bashing someone? It would seem that your opinion and thoughts would not only be heard, but welcomed as well if you just followed a few simple rules. I mean...frankly, if you're so repulsed by it, yet you hang around...then you're lazy or greedy. Or is it something else? Do you have a free forum out there that I can visit? Will I be treated politely? Do you have a chatroom where we can talk? Am I missing something here other than the obvious??? Could someone tell me what the TMF excludes that would be a positive addition to this place?? I just don't get that whole idea. *Help?*
Did you read that? Did it sink in?
Like the lady said, TMF = it's FREE! What have you contributed today?
*cheers*🙂 *curtsy*😛
First of all, I for one think that everything Joby said in here post was right on! Do you people even read what is posted? I doubt it!
You are showing your ingorance!
Joby wrote:
Since what is moderated here at the TMF are flat out insults, childish behavior, and flame bait....ummmm what exactly do you feel the need to say that you can't? I've posted a few things in an irritated fit, and they have been deleted. HOWEVER, I posted them knowing that they would likely be taken off board and/or reworded! Hell, I've even reported myself.....giggle! Do you lack the ability to reword? Can you not communicate wihtout bashing someone? It would seem that your opinion and thoughts would not only be heard, but welcomed as well if you just followed a few simple rules. I mean...frankly, if you're so repulsed by it, yet you hang around...then you're lazy or greedy. Or is it something else? Do you have a free forum out there that I can visit? Will I be treated politely? Do you have a chatroom where we can talk? Am I missing something here other than the obvious??? Could someone tell me what the TMF excludes that would be a positive addition to this place?? I just don't get that whole idea. *Help?*
Did you read that? Did it sink in?
Like the lady said, TMF = it's FREE! What have you contributed today?
*cheers*🙂 *curtsy*😛
